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And they should be because the witnesses like bolten who say this was a drug deal, they're going to come in and blow this thing up. mulvaney can come in and lie. there is a lot of evidence that supports what happened. all of the omb records support that they put a hold on and they didn't have a reason. you can't just go in and lie and expect no cross-examination. it is a big problem for them. >> in the clinton impeachment we cooperated and when they cooperated. so did richard nixon. he blew the whistle on this hearing because he responded the way you're supposed to. that empty podium was telli...
Live witnesses. it is like i want to turn my taxes over, but the problem is once you start getting a witness, then you can't escape calling mulvaney. and that is a and that is a problem getting around that. there was no explanation, pompeo has been sneaky about whether or not he listened to the call or not. gu giuliani will have 5th amendment problems. you can't just block all of the witness that's are relevant. >> how do we know.
The past that the corruption that related to the dnc server, absolutely. no question about that. but that's it. that's why we held up the money. >> i was involved with the process by which the money was held up temporarily. three issues for that. the corruption in the country. whether or not other countries were participating in the support of the ukraine. and whether or not they were cooperating in an ongoing investigation with our department of justice. that's completely legitimate. >> so as you can imagine, then of course came the damage control. a senior justice department official said in...