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palestinians. he's expected to travel into the occupied palestinian territories, into the west bank soon, to visit bethlehem. of course, we all know christians believe this to be the birthplace of jesus christ. visiting the church of the holy nativity, he'll be there with the palestinian authority president, mahmoud abbas, and he'll have to pass through those huge security barriers. there's enormous walls that the israelis have set up around this traditionally christian city. and perhaps get a good look at some of the conditions that the palestinians live in. part of this is probably to try to raise some awareness about the christian palestinian population, very much caught in the middle of this grinding conflict between the israelis and the palestinians. zoraida? >> ivan watson live from amman, jordan, this morning. thank you. coming up, are you debt-free or do you owe more? >> new numbers showing exactly