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Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg

to external finance. the question- to external finance. the question for us _ to external finance. the question for us now— to external finance. the question for us now is— to external finance. the question for us now is how— to external finance. the question for us now is how do _ to external finance. the question for us now is how do we - to external finance. the question for us now is how do we fund - to external finance. the question for us now is how do we fund the j for us now is how do we fund the growth _ for us now is how do we fund the growth that— for us now is how do we fund the growth that we _ for us now is how do we fund the growth that we know _ for us now is how do we fund the growth that we know is - for us now is how do we fund the growth that we know is there, i growth that we know is there, whether— growth that we know is there, whether that's _ growth that we know is there, whether that's doing - growth that we know is there, whether that's doing it - growth that we know is there, whether that's doing it in - growth that we know is there, whether that's doing it in a i whether that's doing it in a creative _ whether that's doing it in a creative way _ whether that's doing it in a creative way that _ whether that's doing it in a creative way that keeps - whether that's doing it in a - creative way that keeps partnership a partnership — creative way that keeps partnership a partnership. butt— creative way that keeps partnership a partnership-— a partnership. but can you give --eole a a partnership. but can you give people a 10096 _ a partnership. but can you give people a 10096 guarantee - a partnership. but can you give people a 10096 guarantee that| a partnership. but can you give i people a 10096 guarantee that the people a 100% guarantee that the business will be solely owned by employees always? it sounds like that's not what you're saying, they're still the possibility of cash coming in from elsewhere. i can rive a cash coming in from elsewhere. i can give a 10096 — cash coming in from elsewhere. i can give a 10096 guarantee _ cash coming in from elsewhere. i can give a 100% guarantee that the partnership— give a 100% guarantee that the partnership will— give a 100% guarantee that the partnership will always - give a 100% guarantee that the partnership will always be - give a 100% guarantee that the partnership will always be a - partnership will always be a partnership _ partnership will always be a partnership. we _ partnership will always be a partnership. we have - partnership will always be a l partnership. we have always partnership will always be a - partnership. we have always found creative _ partnership. we have always found creative ways — partnership. we have always found creative ways while _ partnership. we have always found creative ways while staying - partnership. we have always found creative ways while staying a - creative ways while staying a membership _ creative ways while staying a membership organisation - creative ways while staying a membership organisation to| creative ways while staying a - membership organisation to bring e>

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Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg

the last year. it's a crisis hiding in plain sight _ the last year. it's a crisis hiding in plain sight. so, _ the last year. it's a crisis hiding in plain sight. so, absolutely. in plain sight. so, absolutely public— in plain sight. so, absolutely public service _ in plain sight. so, absolutely public service reform - in plain sight. so, absolutely public service reform but - in plain sight. so, absolutely. public service reform but crime, safety. — public service reform but crime, safety, particularly _ public service reform but crime, safety, particularly as _ public service reform but crime, safety, particularly as gangs - public service reform but crime, | safety, particularly as gangs and shoplifters — safety, particularly as gangs and shoplifters have _ safety, particularly as gangs and shoplifters have become - safety, particularly as gangs and shoplifters have become much. safety, particularly as gangs and - shoplifters have become much bolder, shoplifters have become much holder, to be frank— shoplifters have become much holder, to be frankand— shoplifters have become much holder, to be frank and given _ shoplifters have become much holder, to be frank and given some _ shoplifters have become much holder, to be frank and given some of- shoplifters have become much holder, to be frank and given some of the - to be frank and given some of the cost of— to be frank and given some of the cost of living _ to be frank and given some of the cost of living pressures. - to be frank and given some of the cost of living pressures. like - to be frank and given some of the cost of living pressures. like youl cost of living pressures. like you think— cost of living pressures. like you think that's — cost of living pressures. like you think that's happening _ cost of living pressures. like you think that's happening because l think that's happening because people — think that's happening because people are _ think that's happening because people are finding _ think that's happening because people are finding it _ think that's happening because people are finding it harder- think that's happening because people are finding it harder tol think that's happening because - people are finding it harder to make ends meet? — people are finding it harder to make ends meet? this— people are finding it harder to make ends meet? , , people are finding it harder to make ends meet?— ends meet? this is the point i'm talkin: ends meet? this is the point i'm talking about. _ ends meet? this is the point i'm talking about. i'm _ ends meet? this is the point i'm talking about. i'm sure - ends meet? this is the point i'm talking about. i'm sure we - ends meet? this is the point i'm talking about. i'm sure we can . ends meet? this is the point i'm| talking about. i'm sure we can all look— talking about. i'm sure we can all look at _ talking about. i'm sure we can all look at society around us and see that it _ look at society around us and see that it is — look at society around us and see that it is decaying. shoplifting is increasing, crime is through the root _ increasing, crime is through the root you — increasing, crime is through the roof. you can talk about serious sexual— roof. you can talk about serious sexual offences, the rape conviction rate is— sexual offences, the rape conviction rate is appalling. things aren't working — rate is appalling. things aren't working and we can either safe interest— working and we can either safe interest rates are high maybe we can't _ interest rates are high maybe we can't borrow enough, or we can have the conviction— can't borrow enough, or we can have the conviction to try and improve society— the conviction to try and improve society for— the conviction to try and improve society for the better. do you want to be _ society for the better. do you want to be a _ society for the better. do you want to be a political leader that leads or do— to be a political leader that leads or do you — to be a political leader that leads or do you want to triangulate and say can't — or do you want to triangulate and say can't really borrow? do or do you want to triangulate and say can't really borrow?— say can't really borrow? do you think the demographic - say can't really borrow? do you think the demographic you - say can't really borrow? do you - think the demographic you understand best looks at keir starmer and thinks, there is a leader? ila. thinks, there is a leader? no. sharon, thinks, there is a leader? no.

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Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg

money for their homes than they would have been if we got on with it. so if all we ever do is the sticking plaster, the short term, then we won't improve our country going forward. bhd then we won't improve our country going forward-— then we won't improve our country going forward. and you have made it clear ou going forward. and you have made it clear you want _ going forward. and you have made it clear you want to _ going forward. and you have made it clear you want to make _ going forward. and you have made it clear you want to make those - clear you want to make those short—term changes. ijust wonder, would you be relaxed about someone calling you a fiscal conservative? i am a responsible labour politician and i want a responsible labour government, so... if someone said keir starmer is very clear you have to grow the economy before you start spending money, that means he's a fiscal conservative, would you have a problem with that? t conservative, would you have a problem with that?— conservative, would you have a problem with that? i want to explain my position — problem with that? i want to explain my position which _ problem with that? i want to explain my position which is... _ problem with that? i want to explain my position which is... it's _ problem with that? i want to explain my position which is... it's an i my position which is... it's an interesting — my position which is... it's an interesting point _ my position which is... it's an interesting point because i my position which is... it's an interesting point because a i my position which is... it's an | interesting point because a lot my position which is... it's an i interesting point because a lot of people in the labour movement, sharon knight was very vocal over the weekend saying she wants you to be more ambitious. would you be relaxed about someone saying you are

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Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg

new oil and gas licences. what that does, unless he's putting all his bets in one area, you losejobs by doing that, you also create mass and energy and security during the transition, and you leave yourself vulnerable to gas imports from russia. where does he want us to get them from? and what he is not acknowledging is that it's the conservative government since 2010 that have led to us being half the world's offshore deployed wind. 99% of solar has come since... the government's _ of solar has come since... the government's own _ of solar has come since... the government's own climate change committee has said the uk has fallen behind some of the progress. it’s behind some of the progress. it's been behind some of the progress. it�*s been brilliant progress. we are ahead of the g20 with the exception of denmark in decarbonisation. what of denmark in decarbonisation. what did ou of denmark in decarbonisation. what did you make — of denmark in decarbonisation. what did you make of— of denmark in decarbonisation. what did you make of it? _ of denmark in decarbonisation. what did you make of it? interesting. - of denmark in decarbonisation. what did you make of it? interesting. i - did you make of it? interesting. i think your _ did you make of it? interesting. i think your first _ did you make of it? interesting. i think your first question, - did you make of it? interesting. i think your first question, you - did you make of it? interesting. i i think your first question, you asked him if— think your first question, you asked him if he _ think your first question, you asked him if he was going to be radical in government and answered yes but then

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Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg

didn't connect much, did he? i also uncritical— didn't connect much, did he? i also uncritical for— didn't connect much, did he? i also uncritical for different reasons to andrea. — uncritical for different reasons to andrea. i— uncritical for different reasons to andrea, i suspect. the terms of the debate _ andrea, i suspect. the terms of the debate that— andrea, i suspect. the terms of the debate that gets framed around labour— debate that gets framed around labour is — debate that gets framed around labour is how you're going to pay for it _ labour is how you're going to pay for it i_ labour is how you're going to pay for it. i reject the terms of that debate — for it. i reject the terms of that debate pretty strongly because the conservative party is able to shake its magic _ conservative party is able to shake its magic money tree say 7 billion. none _ its magic money tree say 7 billion. none they— its magic money tree say 7 billion. none they can cut inheritance tax. by none they can cut inheritance tax. by historical standards it is cheaper— by historical standards it is cheaper to borrow money. the state the country — cheaper to borrow money. the state the country is in at the moment. andrea. — the country is in at the moment. andrea. i— the country is in at the moment. andrea, i listened to you, i would like it— andrea, i listened to you, i would like it if_ andrea, i listened to you, i would like it if you — andrea, i listened to you, i would like it if you listened to me as well — like it if you listened to me as well its— like it if you listened to me as well. it's cheap to borrow money. we have the _ well. it's cheap to borrow money. we have the biggest squeeze on living standards since the napoleonic wars. if you _ standards since the napoleonic wars. if you invest money in society, the social— if you invest money in society, the social good — if you invest money in society, the social good that will come out of it is extraordinary. we have so much to gain _ is extraordinary. we have so much to gain the _ is extraordinary. we have so much to gain. the calculation has to be the financial— gain. the calculation has to be the financial cost and what do we gain. if you _ financial cost and what do we gain. if you invest — financial cost and what do we gain. if you invest in building houses, you improve crime outcomes, health outcomes _ you improve crime outcomes, health outcomes. the benefit to society to make _

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Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg

a fiscal conservative? t relaxed about someone saying you are a fiscal conservative?— a fiscal conservative? i don't mind what label people _ a fiscal conservative? i don't mind what label people put _ a fiscal conservative? i don't mind what label people put on - a fiscal conservative? i don't mind what label people put on me i a fiscal conservative? i don't mind what label people put on me but l a fiscal conservative? i don't mind i what label people put on me but my argument is this, what was plain from last year's mini budget was if you lose control of the economy, it is working people who pay. back to your opening shots, the woman who said she had downsized so much she would be in a shoe box next. i spoke to a woman called alice with an 11—month—old baby, they havejust got the house they are going to move to near her parents for help with the baby—sitting. the mortgage rates went up, she can't afford it, she is now stuck. these are human stories, so i start with responsible economics because if you lose control of the economy, it is working people who pay the price. that doesn't mean we can't have a bold and reforming labour government. if we are prepared to take the tough decisions, decisions that haven't been taken for many years. 50 that haven't been taken for many ears, �* , ., that haven't been taken for many ears, �*, ., ., that haven't been taken for many

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Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg

now credible contenders for the next election. ii now credible contenders for the next election. . , , now credible contenders for the next election. . ' , . , election. if that ruffles feathers, is it worth _ election. if that ruffles feathers, is it worth it _ election. if that ruffles feathers, is it worth it for _ election. if that ruffles feathers, is it worth it for you _ election. if that ruffles feathers, is it worth it for you in _ election. if that ruffles feathers, is it worth it for you in order - election. if that ruffles feathers, is it worth it for you in order to l is it worth it for you in order to have a chance to govern? {lit is it worth it for you in order to have a chance to govern? of course. the labour — have a chance to govern? of course. the labour party _ have a chance to govern? of course. the labour party was _ have a chance to govern? of course. the labour party was created - have a chance to govern? of course. the labour party was created to - have a chance to govern? of course. j the labour party was created to give working people notjust working people not just representation working people notjust representation in parliament but a government in parliament that can government in parliament that can govern on their behalf and change the lives of millions of people for the lives of millions of people for the better. the lives of millions of people for the better-— the better. and you have made significant _ the better. and you have made significant process. _ the better. and you have made significant process. when - the better. and you have made significant process. when you i the better. and you have made - significant process. when you became leader, many people believed the idf labour would be on course to win the election. , , ., ., ~' labour would be on course to win the election. , , ., ., ~ _ . election. they shook me by the hand and said good _ election. they shook me by the hand and said good luck _ election. they shook me by the hand and said good luck but _ election. they shook me by the hand and said good luck but you _ election. they shook me by the hand and said good luck but you will- and said good luck but you will never do it in five years. where are ou now never do it in five years. where are you now on — never do it in five years. where are you now on this _ never do it in five years. where are you now on this journey, _ never do it in five years. where are you now on this journey, and - never do it in five years. where are you now on this journey, and what| you now on this journey, and what might go wrong? you have been ahead for a long time, a solid and sustained lead. i for a long time, a solid and sustained lead.— for a long time, a solid and sustained lead. . . , , sustained lead. i have always seen this task in — sustained lead. i have always seen this task in sequential _ sustained lead. i have always seen this task in sequential steps. - sustained lead. i have always seen this task in sequential steps. the i this task in sequential steps. the first thing we need to do was change the labour party. if you lose as badly as we did in 2019 and you don't look at the electorate and say, what on earth were you doing? you look at your party and say that

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Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg

be transparent about what we will do. �* , ., ., ., be transparent about what we will do. �* ., ., ., do. and will you have a target buildin: do. and will you have a target building a _ do. and will you have a target building a million _ do. and will you have a target building a million homes- do. and will you have a target building a million homes a - do. and will you have a target. building a million homes a year do. and will you have a target - building a million homes a year to crack housing in this country once and for all? l’m crack housing in this country once and for all?— crack housing in this country once and for all? �* ., ., ., , ., and for all? i'm not going to put an arbitrary figure _ and for all? i'm not going to put an arbitrary figure on _ and for all? i'm not going to put an arbitrary figure on it _ and for all? i'm not going to put an arbitrary figure on it but _ and for all? i'm not going to put an arbitrary figure on it but we - and for all? i'm not going to put an arbitrary figure on it but we need . arbitrary figure on it but we need hundreds of thousands more houses, i don't shy away from that. the inhibitor there is the planning regulations and this government is not going to do anything about that. we will do, we will get housing building going on that will be doubly important, firstly for the aspirations of so many individuals, young people and their families, aspirations of so many individuals, young people and theirfamilies, the security of owning your own home really matters, but also its very good for the economy to build houses so we are determined to do that. when you run for leader, one of your ten pledges was there was no issue more important to our future than the climate emergency. do you still believe that?— believe that? yes, i believe it's robabl believe that? yes, i believe it's probably the — believe that? yes, i believe it's probably the single _ believe that? yes, i believe it's probably the single most - believe that? yes, i believe it's - probably the single most important issue. , ., ,

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