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Bertrand, business insider. let's get to it. the "new york times" report is concluding there is evidence tying the president to a possible crime of obstruction. how about your sources, what are they saying? is this a nothing burger? >> absolutely not t. "new york times" report was anything but a nothing burger. it seems to confirm everything we have been hearing over the past couples how mueller's obstruction case seems to be stronger than his collusion case as of right now collusion is a very complicated thing, it involves a conspiracy charge, obstruction is fairly straight forward. now we ha...

Of it as he could down and, of course, we now know that those initial conversations with james comey were just the tip of the iceberg when you look at the other interventions with the intelligence community, to try to get them to intervene with the fbi, had white house counsel go and intervene with the attorney general directly. maybe other people inside the administration including the attorney general to obstruct justice. >> natasha, quick last word on "the new york times" tonight? >> i just think that it mean that is mueller still has a lot of work to do. the obstruction case building and t...

Iceberg when you look at the other interventions with the intelligence community, to try to get them to intervene with the fbi, had white house counsel go and intervene with the attorney general directly. maybe other people inside the administration including the attorney general to obstruct justice. >> natasha, quick last word on "the new york times" tonight? >> i just think that it mean that is mueller still has a lot of work to do. the obstruction case building and trump doesn't seem to be taking it seriously enough. as wolff wrote this morning, trump doesn't seem to have the discipline or ...

Don't do that. he pushed back on that idea. that's where they're referencing what happened after that. so juliette, if this revelation by papadopoulos to an australian official was so significant and then when the u.s. learned about it, why did the fbi wait until january, before they interviewed papadopoulos and they waited again until the following july to actually arrest him? >> it's part of this just had to do with the pacing of the information that they were getting, the fbi will have to do an accounting, jim comey and others about why they were so public about the hillary clinton investig...

Country and the distraction from some of these much larger issues that perhaps we should be having national discussion about? >> it does undermine the faith in the leadership of the country. if there is a constant effort to say the government is being run by a traitor. if it turns out there is some evidence i guess people will say all of this is worth it. but we talked about adam schiff, ranking member on the house intelligence committee, who is really the leader of the collusion narrative and we're fortunate to be able to have him lay out his case in the "wall street journal" recently. i thin...