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His administration. joining me now joe concha, a media reporter at the hill. richard fowler nationally syndicated radio host and fox news contributor. joe, you point out very interesting and needed facts today. >> yes, i wrote this in a column for the hill today and, look 30 media members went on to work for the obama administration. this isn't what selective outrage looks like it's what it smells like. many went on to communication shops. i totally get that ben rhodes, for instance, you may remember a "new york times" headline that said the aspiring novellest who became obama's foreign policy...

Carrier from the west wing to that particular department? >> well, look. first of all, the white house relay liaison is a political appointee of the obama administration. the title is a little bit misleading because it's not like a white house liaison that is sent over there at the bidding of the white house to talk about whatever they can. a congressional lee eson that doesn't technically work for congress. the idea is have somebody a point person at the various agencies who deals with the white house. now, could that fact set that you just presented happen in the abstract? sure. all i can te...

For which we apologized. the secretary is trying to reach her. i hope that the secretary reaches her soon and they have an opportunity to talk. the secretary will apologize for the actions that have taken place over the past 24 to 36 hours. and on behalf of the administration, i offer our jeez. i would jeez apologies on behalf of those here for what has happened. >> pat buchanan, you ran the communication shops for a couple of different presidents. it's a sincere question. i don't mean it as a rhetorical question. maybe the white house or maybe the president somewhere down the line didn't sign...

They went to war after "mad money," you said don't shoot down. here, you have an administration saying hurry up and fire somebody before a cable news show comes on in the afternoon. pat, i have got to believe that would be unpresidented, not only in the two communication shops you work for for nixon and for reagan, but i couldn't imagine the clinton white house doing this. this is pure full-out panic at a show that -- i don't know, pat. i am stunned. this is shooting down i've ever seen shooting down. i'll just leave it at that. >> well, you know, joe the word you got there, is panic is exactl...