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Is going to be an all-out battle, senator josh holly saying expect a major battle in the senate if biden nominates woke activists. it would seem as we look out to when this actually happens there could be a very serious battle royale for his replacement. >> well, that's the thing with judicial confirmation fights. they are very unpredictable, you know. harriet meiers was effectively blocked in her effort, robert bork in his effort, and controversy with bret kavanaugh. these things can take unexpected turns and we are living in an age of rage and where reasonable people tend to be shouted down....

>> steve, why are you shaking your head in agreement? >> i mean, i think susan hit the nail on the head, don. this is not as nearly high stakes a confirmation process as, you know, amy coney barrett replacing ruth bader ginsburg, as brett kavanaugh replacing anthony kennedy, merrick garland replacing anthony v antonin scalia. that's why i think this process is not going to be quite as divisive and contentious as the last few we've seen. you know, from the republicans' perspective, what's the point? you know, if president biden is able to successfully confirm, say, the first black woman in the ...

They still have a 6-3 majority on the supreme court. they still have what they think is a very strong agenda to use against president biden in the midterms. and so i think this is going to look very different, don, from the last couple of supreme court confirmation fights that we've been through. >> hey, steve, you've been going through this list, president biden's potential short list of picks. who stands out to you? >> yeah, don, i think any conversation's going to start with the same two names. there's judge ketanji brown jackson who's currently on the d.c. circuit. very important appeals c...

Pragmatism and generosity of spirit. >> reporter: now 51 with only the third black justice in the court's 233-year history, jackson has responded to questions about race during previous confirmation hearings, carefully addressing the role it plays in her thinking. >> i don't think race plays a role in the kind of judge that i have been and that i would be. >> reporter: but not discounting it. >> i've experienced life in, perhaps, a different way than some of my colleagues because of who i am. >> reporter: for the last year, biden has been studying the opinions and writings of jackson and other...

0 his campaign promise to nominate a black woman? the short list circulating in washington signals history's about to be made. and you've got to hear this. podcaster joe rogan thinks he has the definition of what makes a black person. >> unless you're talking to someone who is like 100% african from the darkest place where they're not wearing any clothes all day and they've developed all that melanin to protect themselves from the sun, even the term black is weird. >> okay. professor michael eric dyson's name coming up as part of this uninformed rant. he joins me just ahead on that. and the co...