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Maria: you don't think elizabeth warren will ultimately the nominee, do you? >> all things placed right now i bet on joe biden and i think he would do the best job. maria: what about his performance recently? a lot of people saying he has lost the oomph? >> i don't agree with that. at his age, donald trump near the same age, put them in a situation where they're in competitive debate environment they will not be as strong. put them in a situation where he makes the presentation, or controls the presentation or governing, who would be the best president i think he would be great. maria: how imp...

The vice president, former vice president has seen what is going on in alabama, missouri and it's clear that he thinks a woman's right to choose as part of their right -- health care is a right. >> martha: what do you say? >> this is a noticeable change for someone who has for decades held a mainstream position. there aren't that many things in the united states that people agree on when it comes to abortion but one is definitely that people should not be forced to fund violence in the womb and this is something that is definitely helping him in the democratic primaries but it might be troubli...

Cast by the president define us as a country. >> martha: doesn't mention you a whole lot in there. but what you make of the race you are up against? >> i think long shot is the wrong characterization. the two most recent polls are within the margin of error. it's a dead heat right now. the people of new jersey are realizing they have a real choice this year. >> martha: you are a former marine. you were the first to go to college and your family. i think a lot of people look at you and say he's a wealthy man, very successful. you put $15 million of your own money into this race so i can imagine...

Done, yet he absolutely has not been able to stand out, to cut the mustard in a debate environment. and it seems that's something that matters a lot. >> i was watching this debate pain was rooting for jeb bush. but this is just for those of you -- those of us who have done campaigns, this is an art. marco rubio was prepared for he question put to him. and that's why debate prep is so important. he should have had an answer. he looked lost. martha: confidence breed success. when you are nervous you hesitate and think.

That. why haven't they done that? >> it is political thing. do they criticize while they standoffs for people that say, i remember september 11th, i remember that i think anything was justified. the timing is suspicious. i think senate and congress has the right and responsibility for oversight. if there were, if there were some sadists or torturers, we should find them and frankly prosecute them. but do it privately. don't do it for the world to see. don't do it so the north koreans and iranians and russians and chinese can come to criticize america for human rights violations. >> department ...