ancestry story. now with 100 million family trees, find your story. get started fofree at ancestry.com. welcome to kasie d.c. i m kasie hunt. we are live every sunday from washington from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. tonight, paper tiger. a document from the president s lawyers gives us a breath taking inside look at the mountain battle to come. we ll dig into why the president s legal team says the president can t obstruct justice. and that he doesn t have to sit for an interview with robert mueller. plus, the first-ever admission that the president worked on the statement explaining his son s meeting with the russian lawyer promising dirt on hillary clinton. and later, an exclusive interview with former governor terry mcauliffe. we ll talk about everything from the russia investigation to the healthf his party when he joins me live onset. but first, the start of this week, believe it or not, marks 500 days of the trump administration, and the mueller investigation rolls on with it. this sunday morning we were presented with an evolving posture from the white house. there was the scripture of a secret legal memo that the new york times revealed, and then there was the sermon of how rudy giuliani framed it on the sunday shows. the document written by john dowd and jayekulow before giuliani joined the team asserts that the president could end the special counsel investigation, doesn t need to sit for an interview with robert mueller, could ignore a subpoena, and depending on how you interpret it, could potentially even pardon himself. but pressed to defend those claims, rudy giuliani was not exactly preaching fire and brim stone. you re making a case that he didn t obstruct or are you making a case a president cannot obstruct justice? well, i don t like you know, i m a lawyer. i m sort of a conservative lawyer in a legal sense and i don t like going into an argument you don t have to get to. you might want to say he has very broad powers. do you and the president s attorneys believe the president has the power to pardon himself? he s not, but he does. he has no intention of pardoning himself. he probably does. doesn t say he can t. i mean that s another really interesting constitutional margin. can the president pardon himself. it s not going to happen. why put it in the memo? is this a veiled threat to mull er? you push it do too far, we can end your probe. you re not asking the guy who wrote the memo. fair enough. i m not sure i would have written that, chuck. i think it s a hollow, sort of a hollow promise. almost impractical. the president of the united states pardoning himself would just be unthinkable. and it would, it would lead to probably immediate impeachment. but as with everything, what it really comes down to is what the president believe. joining me onset,ngton anchor for bbc news katty kay, msnbc political analyst robert costa. yamiche alcindor. the new york times and msnbc contributor charlie savage. andoining me from new york i ce for edelman and msnbc contributor steve schmidt and his debut on kasie d.c. steve, it s great to have you. great to have all my panel here in d.c. as well. charlie savage, i want to start with you on this because you were part of the team that unveiled what we have now been talking about all weekend which is this behind the scenes memo. we ve been picking apart kind of the details of this, but we were talking right before we went on the air about what you think the most important broad take away here is and that is the sweeping constitutional challenges here. that s right. so, this memo is a top to bottom set of, you know, legal claims, factual claims, arguments why he didn t obstruct justice, couldn t have obstructed jus and so forth. but the one that s really breath taking and that makes all the rest of them not matter if it s true is this vision of a president who wields absolute unrevealable control over the justice department, over the machinery of the federal law enforcement, as a result he can shutdown or director close any investigation he wants and he can pardon anyone he wants, even if the evidence shows that his motivation for doing so was corrupt and self-serving. it doesn t matter congress s law of obstruction of justice can t touch the president. the implications of that are so profound. it hearkens back to the nixonian, he can t do it because it would be illegal in our society. right. it s not just a defense, you know. being used as a defense here, well, i didn t do this bad thing, you can t come after me for it. but if that is true, it is justification for offensive use of the justice department, too. as he s threatened to do, he can open an investigation start an investigation into an enemy. irs audits or whatever. and that s the law cannot touch him. the law has nothing to say about that. it s impeachment or nothing and that s the system of american government we live in according to the lawyers who are whispering in the ear of the president of the united states. steve schmidt, i enjoyed your twitter thread last night on thistopic. care to take us through what your view is of thi memo? well, this is a very serious moment and, kasie, we have to look at this in a couple of different aspects. first, this is a president who lies constantly. thousands of times on the year. in fact, the liza cumulating seem to suggest that objective truth is being challenged by this president. that what s true is what the leader believes is true, or tells us is true despite what reality may or may not be. secondly, we have a president who routinelybout locking up political opponents. talks about locking up journalists. talks about locking up anybody who disagrees with him. and lastly, this memo declares, i am the law, above the law, that the president, if he so chooses as charlie pointed out, can use the justice department to investigate political opponents, and that there is no boundary to the execution of the president s power. and we have to understand how an thi antithetical that is and how deeply unamerican it is. the greatness of george washington was that he was the first person in thousands of years who could have been a king, could have been an emperor, and he said, no, i will be a president with limited powers. and after a time of service, i ll go home. he established a precedent that the institution is bigger than the man, that the system is bigger than the office, and that the constitutional democracy bequeathed to all of us by our founders and paid for with the blood of patriots for 200 plus years. donald trump is asserting that he s no longer a president, but, in fact, a king whose powers are unlimited. that is the plain meaning of this legal memo. it is the singularly most disturbing thing ever articulated by an agent of a president of the united states with regard to presidential power, far exceeding any claims that richard nixon once made about the power of his office. katty kay, what s your view on what steve is laying out right there? it s not exactly government by the people or government for the people, right? the concept that s laid out in this message. you don t even have to go back as far as the war of independence to see the anomalies in what the trump legal team is proposing here. there are plenty of republican senators who in the late 90s decided that actually a president could be charged with obstruction of justice. jeff sessions being one of them who also said that president clinton had said that he was not the subject of the civil legal system because he was president of the united states. and jeff sessions view was the supreme court did not agree with that as an argument. so, yes, this is an anomaly in the american system of especially an american exceptionalism rests on that idea of george washington and the way the rest of the world sees this. i m not sure the monarch of great britain would put themselves as being the law and above the law in the way that the president is certainly the people of britain wouldn t go along with that this day and age. bob costa, let s explore a little bit trump s legal team. it s evolved. rudy giuliani was not one of the authors of that memo, he s new to the team since. how are the dynamics playing out? he didn t want to take the memo to its logical conclusion. if you read between the lines, you look at it, could be interpreted to say the president could pardon himself in the event that there was a crime that mueller were to charge him with. giuliani says, no, no, no, we re never going to go there. that would be political suicide. inside of the president s legal team, going back months whether it was john dowd or now mayor giuliani, you had this belief that the president could dance between the raindrops on the russia collusion aspect of this special federal investigation. at the same time, they have always been worried about the obstruction of justice aspect of this investigation. so, when you go to this memo that charlie and his colleagues sharply reported today, you go back to how giuliani has been on tv talking through, it s really about countering the idea of obstruction of justice and how do they do that. they started time and again by talking about executive power rmt. as long as they underscore that the isn t in the clear. it s a different strategy than collusion. on the collusion side they a cert no collusion, no collusion, no collusion. in this instance they seem to be laying out a legal argument. the president s conduct is under scrutiny with the obstruction of justice piece. when it comes to the trial of former campaign chairman of paul manafort, we didn t really know paul. he wasn t really involved for a long time or george papadopoulos, he was just a coffee fetcher on the campaign. they can move away from the individuals who were really under scrutiny under the russia interference part, but this is the report that s likely to come out this summer if the president does or does not sit for an interview with mueller is about his duct. yamiche, one thing that stuck out to me in giuliani s series of interviews, he kept saying it would be impossible, he would never go there. i want to play a little bit. we have sound of chris christie and dan abrams talking about this on abc and then i ll ask you about it. he left open the possibility of the president pardoning himself even though he doesn t expect him to do it he would have the right to do it. there s no way it would happen. it would become a political pardon. if the president were to pardon himself he ll get impeached. i think it would be outrageous for a sitting of the president if the president decide he decided he was going to pardon himself that s self-executing impea impeachment. whether there is an argument they can make, that s not what the framers intend. that s what the american people would be able to stand for. the president s lawyer also saying it would be politically impossible for us for the president to pardon himself. it reminded me of, you know, this president when he was running for office said, you know, i could shoot people on 5th avenue, my supporters would still be with me. there does seem to be a calculation we haven t been able to figure out where that line is. what can this president do that would cause people to turn against him? there seems to be a consensus that pardoning himself would, in fact, cross that line. well, i ll say two things. the first is this also reminds me of czsarah sanders, is he gog to fire mull er? we wouldn t be in this kind of crisis. there is a line there they would draw now. there is a president who is trying to keep onto his political will and trying to get his supporters not completely abandon him. they are hedging on the idea pardoning myself would be pretty terrible. however, when i talk to people who say would this president go to jail or pardon himself, who among us, if you had the power just as a human being to keep yourself out of prison or to stay in office and hope that maybe after you get out of office you might actually be charged with a crime, who wouldn t pardon themselves? to me as a reporter it is in some ways common sense. sources close to the president are true. they say this is not something the president would want to do. this is not something he s looking into. but i just think that if the president, i think, most people i ve talked to think that he would pardon his son, his son-in-law, that if he is backed up against the wall and has a case against him, why wouldn t he pardon himself? katty kay, i m not sure there is isn t a line this president wouldn t be willing to cross. yeah, i mean, the point about his supporters, you know, abandoning him, the evidence is his supporters are growing when it comes to public opinion on the whole russia investigation and the number of people who feel this is politically motivated. whether they are winning the legal case here, they are certainly winning the public opinion case. if this is going to be a political issue, american voters increasingly believe there is an element of witch hunt about this. over 50% now believe this is politically motivated and that s critical for the president. it s working for him. that s a point that is so right. this white house looks as it as a public battle. talking about as president clinton did. as president clinton did. look what happened to the 1998 elections. the democrats thought the republic kands ov republicans overplayed their hands. he hasn t crossed the line yet by firing mueller or rosenstein. you talk to people who know the president, he still feels burned after firing director james comey. interesting. steve schmidt, what s your view on what the president might be willing to do here or not? to bob s point, he hasn t fired rosenstein. he hasn t fired bob mueller. pardoning himself it seems like would be the next kind of iteration of that. but again, you know, i still i still feel like the whims of this president go back and forth so wildly, eye ni m not convincs staff can keep him on track. his behavior will be increasingly erratic. i think he ll burn everything down to save himself. i think that his desperation has become more clear as this investigation has moved closer to the oval office. fundamentally, this letter is deserving of a response from every elected official i this country who has taken an oath of fidelity to the constitution of the united states. the legal argument is an assault on the concepts of the american republic and on the concepts of liberal democracy. it is that serious. and what we know for sure is there won t be a single republican member of congress who lays out an argument tomorrow morning that says, this is too far. this is a dangerous argument. this is an anti-american argument. and his strategy is quite clear. donald trump is using mass rallies where he lies throughout them to incite a base to a level of fervor where they suspend what is clearly true before their eyes, where they accept truth as what the leader says is true, and where they join together in a shared sense of victimization. this is all out of autocrat 101. it is fundamentally illiberal. whether it s poland, hungary, the rise of nationalist parties in germany, in england, in france, the tactics are exactly the same. and it is disturbing to see it playing out in the united states of america in the political leadership of this country, whether they are republicans, democrats, liberals or conservatives. if you have fidelity to liberal democracy, it is important, i think, to speak out and reject the premise of this argument which is as far out there as anything we ve ever seen in the country s history with regard to the power of the president. the president of the presidency in our system is constrained. it s checked. there are three co-equal branches of government. this is an assault on that concept and i think this president would do anything anything to save himself or to save family members from this investigation which at every single stage has proven that whatever this administration has said is going on in fact has proven not to be the case. i m glad you raise that because re going to start talking about it that here in a couple of minutes. when we continue, another revelation from the memo, the president did work on that statement splarning his son s meeting with the russian lawyer in trump tower. plus, the on again/off again summit with kim jong-un is on for now, but is the president falling into the same pattern bill clinton did years ago? 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[cheers] 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. new ensure max protein. in two great flavors. new ensure max protein. when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn t have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. one picky customer shouldn t take all your time. need something printed? the business advisors at office depot can assist with exactly what your business needs to grow. get your coupon for 20% off services, technology and more at office depot and officedepot.com. time that the president did, in fact, dictate a statement about that now infamous trump tower meeting between his eldest son and a russian lawyer. that original statement claimed the focus of the sit-down was russian adoption. of course, e-mails later revealed that trump junior s real motivation for taking the meeting was to obtain damaging information about hillary clinton. you may also recall that after reports of the meeting first surfaced, the white house repeatedly denied that the president had any involvement in the drafting of that statement. the president was not did not draft the response. the response was came from donald trump, jr., and i m sure in consultation with his lawyer. i do want to be clear, the president was not involved in the drafting of the statement. the president didn t sign off on anything. he was coming back from the g20. the statement that was released on saturday was released by donald trump, jr., i m sure in consultation with his lawyers. the president wasn t involved in that. he certainly didn t dictate, but, you know, like i said, he weighed in, offered suggestion like any father would do. just to be clear, all of those statements not true. this morning one of the president s closest allies in congress house majority leader kevin mccarthy was asked about those repeated denials from the white house. mr. leader, are you bothered by the fact the white house lied about the president s involvement here? look, one thing i have found, this has gone on for more than a year. millions of dollars have been spent. the white house has been cooperating all the way through. this was all based upon was there collusion involved in the election. everyone has looked at this says there s no collusion going forward. mr. leader, i understand those are the talking points. but this is a specific question. are you concerned that the white house you heard the sound bites, you saw the statement from his own lawyers. they lied. does that concern you? they can go on with the investigation. what i was concerned most about, like most americans, was there any collusion. there was no collusion. so, briefly setting aside kevin mccarthy not engaging on that question at all, charlie savage, what s the reason for the legal team to do this, put this in this memo? they clearly feel they needed to sit the record straight in some way, otherwise it seems harmful. right. that s a chris christie marco rubio moment not being able to get off the talking point and think in real time. right, so, the context in the memo was as you have received in testimony from other people. they knew it was up. people who had been in the airplane told mueller what really happened so they couldn t not acknowledge it in the missive to mueller. they had to explain it away some other way. the fact jay sekulow signed that letter means he has known he misled the public for at least since january. maybe he didn t know it when he said those things last summer and he let the record go uncorrected. that s on him now as a credibility statement. just to finish the thought, so their argument is look, it s not a crime to lie to the new york times. at the end of the day we lied to the new york times. sure, they are still talking to the american people, though. they are evading why bob mueller would care. he c because if this this is trump s personal actions. this isn t the people around him. and if trump is showing that he has the desire to cover up the truth about certain contacts between his campaign and russia in that interaction, that goes to whether maybe that was his intention when he did other things that mueller is looking at. it goes to whether he might have had a corrupt motive when he was pressuring comey over flynn, when he fired comey over other things as well. there is a legal reason for prosecutors to be very interested in that, even if it s not a crime in and of itself to lie to the public or the times. when you think about why the president so far has declined to do an interview with bob mueller, it s to charlie s point, is that they don t want to have the president in a situation where he has to explain or talk through his intent. did he have corrupt or criminal intent? as sarah sanders said during her remarks, he was just a father weighing in on the process. that s the white house s perspective on the exchange. but when you re sitting in front of a federal prosecutor and federal investigator, a perspective is not enough. you have to talk through your intent. that s why you have rudy giuliani, the former new york mayor out there every day saying it would have to be so narrow about the questions because they see a risk if the president is in that kind of situation. if you remember, the white house s stance and the president s stance has been that don junior, donald trump, jr., when he was going to that meeting to hopefully in his mind get information about hillary clinton from russian informants or russian officials, that he d never talked to his father about that. so you have his father now admitting i was involved in crafting a statement about a meeting that i supposedly never knew about and didn t really talk to anybody about. so there is this idea that is also crucial. you re arguing you don t know anything about this while also covering it up. steve schmidt, i want to talk to you about kevin mccarthy for a minute. not only did he not call out the obvious lying that happened from the administration, but he also was pressed on the broad executive powers that are laid out in this memo that you have essentially said would be the powers of a king. and he potentially the next speaker of the house, potentially the leader of a co-equal branch of government did not push back at all. it gives me no pleasure to say this. i ve known kevin mccarthy for a long time and i consider him a friend. but he disqualified himself for the speakership of the house. at the end of the day, if one of the parties wants to make a monkey, the ma jordjority leadem pretty indefinite rent to it. the speaker is a constitutional officer, third in line to the office of the president of the united states. what you saw was a partisan there. somebody who would do anything, complete servility, above the constitution, above the system of checks and balances, above the rule of law. it s disgraceful to watch it. let me just say a couple of things. we saw jay sekulow there stone cold liar. nothing that man ever says again on national television should be taken seriously. of course, we already know that about sarah sanders and of course the president. but with regard to the question of collusion, of course there was collusion. the collusion took place when the president s son-in-law, his son, and his campaign chairman met with representatives with close ties to the russian intelligence services and to the kremlin for the purposes of receiving dirt on the democratic nominee for president of the united states. that s not an attack on hillary clinton or the democratic party. that is an attack on the united states of america, our sovereignty, and our elections process. this is what george washington warned the country about in his farewell address, was foreign interference. and there was only one appropriate response. when these people were contacted by a hostile foreign power to give dirt to the to their campaign about the democratic nominee, and that was to call the director of the fbi, period, full stop. and to see kevin mccarthy up there being complicit in the lying, i m troubled about it. stuttering around on this collusion issue is shameful. it is shameful. katty kay? mccarthy is looking at tray gowdy and thinking, when you do speak out and you say anything that is critical of the president s position, the president s lawyers position on the fbi investigation, what do you get within the republican party and potentially within voters? resounding silence. or attacks. and you go back to your district and you hear that actually people are much more in line with what kevin mccarthy is saying than what tray gowdy is saying. kevin mccarthy has his own personal reasons. he s one of the members of congress closest to trump. charlie savage, thank you for your thoughts tonight. appreciate it. when wecontinue, governor terry mcauliffe is standing by. he joins me live onset up next. before nexium 24hr mark could only imagine. a peaceful night sleep without frequent heartburn waking him up. now that dream is a reality. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? janice, mom told me you bought a house. okay. 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i think first of all, the news about collusion is out every day. now we have this 20-page plus memo that s now come out where the president either his lawyer lied or he told his lawyer to lie or it just doesn t make sense so he should fire his lawyer. he said that he didn t have anything to do with it. this memo says he was involved in the drafting of the memo so there was no question there was collusion. i mean, there was a meeting in trump tower with the president s son with campaign advisors, with russians saying we re going to give you dirt on hillary. i don t know how else you would define collusion. the issue is what did the president know. that s what they re trying to find out today. he says he had nothing to do with the meeting, didn t know anything about it. now we re finding out new details today. but that s how every single day, i think what the democratic message, what we ve got to lean in on, why ve for a democrat. look what we did in virginia. record number of jobs created. took unemployment from 5.4 down to 3.6. billions dollars of new investment, largest investment in k-12 in virginia history. voters want to know what we re actually going to do forthem look what happened this week in virginia. we got medicaid expansion done. i was going to ask you about that. one rinne reason, only reason, we picked up 15 house delegate seats in november of 2017. that was the largest pickup since 1880. and thank goodness we picked it up and now 400,000 people are going to get health care. ralph northam, governor northam, my lieutenant governor is going to sign that bill. elections matter. that is a concrete policy victory in the wake of the beginning of what could be a blue wave. wouldn t have happened, would not have happened had we not picked up 11 of the 15 were women. women are driving this election. we started in november 17. records pilkd cked up. that s going to translate. what are we going to do? we have an infrastructure bill. we have to deal with health care. cassie, umenyiora seen premiums go up in state after state n. virginia they re going up as high as 64% increase. these are iguodabig issues. we have teachers walking out rightfully so because they re not being paid enough. the democratic message is what are we going to do for you. that s what voters want from us. in virginia, why did we win? we had four great years of economic prosperity. everybody was happy. we had a great message and we gave people results. do you think that can eaktgh? tom who has been a progressive favorite in your state has written lately saying local media is not as prominent as it used to be. people are getting their news nationally. there is not enough there is not coverage of your democratic messaging on health care, on all these other issues. it s all trump all the time. do you not need to be pushing back with a stronger trump-related message? i think the anti-trump message is out there. the president helps us every single day with that message. but look, all i can tell you is look what we did in virginia in november of 17. we swept the statewide offices. that was about turnout on our positive message, building upon the great record we had four years in virginia. everybody was happy. we had results. jobs, economic development, 10 billion we put into transportation, reformed our education system. our argument has to be what are we going to do for them. we win on our progressive message of what we stand for, economic empowerment, protecting people s rights. you know, when i ran for governor five years ago, republicans controlled all three statewides. only 33 democrats out of 100 in our house of delegates. when i left office, all democrats statewides and we had 49 out of 100. huge pickup. why? a positive message. the trump stuff out there, tell what we re going to do. i want to switch gears. bill clinton responded to senator kiersten gillibrand. she said he should have stepped down after the monica lewinsky scandal. the tolerance we had 25 years ago, what was allowed 25 years ago will not be tolerated today, is not allowed today, and that we have to have the kind of o r oversight and accountability society needs so we can protect people in the workplace, so people can function without having an unsafe work environment. so you re saying if bill clinton were president today and those incidents were unfolding today it would be a very different conversation, exactly. well, i disagree with her. i think, you know, you have to really ignore what the context was. but, you know, she s living in a different context and she did it for different reasons, so i but i just disagree with her. he said that the contexts were different. but given what we know now and the way this movement has unfolded, should bill clinton have resigned over the monica lewinsky scandal? this was 25 years ago, it was difficu different standards. i think people looked at it in totality, 26 million he made a horrible why were they different standards? i m saying at the time we dealt with this 25 years ago, it wasn t the standards we have today. i think if it happened today, i think you d be having the same argument that would go on with the me too movement. but 25 years ago, as i say, it was a different standard. do you think the clintons victimized monica lewinsky in that, do you think the way they dealt with her would be tolerable today? no, i don t. i think it was a horrible thing 25 years ago. as you know, we re very good friends. i told the president back then it was a horrible thing. i wrote about it in my book. he paid a horrible price, he paid a horrible personal price, he paid a horrible political price. people looked at the totality the things he accomplished when he was in office, people made a decision back then they had gone too far. as you know, we picked up a senate seat in 1998 because they felt the republicans had way overstepped their bounds with ken starr and all the different things that had gone on, too. clearly the behavior was horrible and wrong and i told the it was wrong. do you think the presidents are at risk of overstepping with president trump in a similar way were there to be a politically motivated i7 motivated impeachment of this president? i don t want to see a political impeachment. i ve said to you and others, democrats shouldn t spend time talking about impeachment. they should talk about what they re going to do for you. mueller is doing the investigation. let him come out with the report. then people make decisions. i don t think we ought to be second guessing. i don t think we ought to hypothesize about what is going to happen. let the mueller report come out. i go back to the point democrats win on an agenda. people are with us on the issues, treating people with dignity and respect. as you know, cassie, when i was governor i vetoed 120 horrible bills. antiwomen, antilgbt. pro gun antivoting rights. most vee totoes of any governor virginia history. record job growth, record investment education. they want results from us. as i say, everything with trump is out there, but let mueller do his investigation and we can go from there. i ask you this every time i have thank you r you, but really quickly, are you running for president in 2020? i hope no democrat will answer that question because i am working my heart out. i just was in louisiana and texas and michigan last couple weeks talking about how we take a red state like virginia and we convert it into a blue state. why? all the things i have just talked to you about. we have a lot of time. i think our party, cassie, for too long has made a big mistake. they spend too much time on the presidency and we forget about state and local. we have 36 governors up this year. those 36 governors will be in the chairs in 2021 when the new census and they redraw every line in america. we traditionally have not been in the game on t. i m work ing with eric holder now making sure we have fair maps. that s what people want. people at home, they want results. they want people to do things. they want their life to be better. we can help them do t. sitting around talking to me talking about trump as governor would not help one virginiian. traveling the five continents and 35 trade missions, doing $91 billion in trade you have it down. even if you re not willing to say it yet. let s wait in 18. thank you for being here. always appreciate it. still to come, the state of play with korea. kasie d.c. back after this. 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after the car crash. hopefully everyone will come out alive. where do they stand here? and how nervously are our american allies watching this kind of back and forth between trump and kim jong-un? certainly if you re in south korea you re watching it nervously because the prospect that it could be back off again and tensions could ratchet up again worries them a lot. already what we re seeing is that the north koreans have quite a lot out of this. they re getting a photo opportunity. they ve got divisions within the alliance of south korea, china, and america when it comes to maximum pressure. that s eased tensions in north korea substantially. and they re starting to see an uptick in aid and sanction busting financial flows into the country as well. so, it s hard to see that the president hasn t given away a lot in terms of the summit without getting very much up front in return and that s exactly what bill clinton was, you know, the reason bill clinton didn t have a summit with the north koreans back at the end of the 1990s because he wanted the denuclearization to come first. trump has flipped that model. we ll see if he gets the end goal afterwards. even the picture of trump smiling with kim yong ol is some some ways wait until it s kim jong-un. right. bob costa, do you read anything into bolton not attending the planned summit? there s been some behind the scenes friction there. a lot of the wanes world reference. bohemian rhapsody when they re singing it in the car the greatest scene from the movie. but when you think about the national security advisor, he s not in the meeting, the vice-president is not in the meeting, based on conversations with white house officials this weekend, they say those officials were playing the bad cop role in the negotiations, taking a harder line, secretary of state pompeo, the president took a different tact in the negotiations. this is an historic moment that may not lead on june 12th to denuclearization or any kind of firm commitment. but if it ends the korean war, if it establishes diplomatic ties, they re trying to begin the sale now to say to the american people and u.s. allie that that s enough, that s the start of a process. so, yamiche, you cover the white house every day. do they see this as are they at the point they feel like this will be america can come out of this having won something significant, even if they don t get to total denuclearization? i think that the president himself feels like i don t know if america would have wanted something. i think the president feels a as though if he sits down, he can say i ve gone farther is it more about him than the country at large? the people i ve talked to think the president thinks it s in the country s best interest to sit down with kim jong-un. i think that the president also wants to be seen as a president who did more than other presidents and as a result when you have these pictures, some people might say, okay, north korea is getting to be able to have this image with an american president, but president trump is also going to be able to taking a victory lap saying, look at all the things i did. and, by the way, that letter he said, hey, i m going to layout i m going to cancel this, he s telling north korea i don t really need this. i think the perception brought from people after reading the letter was president trump was ready to give this all up because he didn t it wasn t that important to him. now that it s back on he can make the now that it sack on, he can say i didn t really need it, they came crawling to me, and look at all the things i ve gotten. i think it s very clear that they don t have an understanding of what denuclearization will mean to north korea long term. most people like the idea that we re talking rather than promising fire and fury. if you re really going to lift the maximum pressure that has taken an awful lot of time and effort and coordination to get us into a position where there s max numb maximum pressure, are you giving a lot away to have them sit down. just ahead, we re going to talk about changes and fractures in the party. more on kasie d.c. in just a moment. jardiance asked- and now you know. jardiance is the only type 2 diabetes pill proven to both reduce the risk of cardiovascular death for adults who have type 2 diabetes and heart disease. .and lower a1c, with diet and exercise. jardiance can cause serious side effects including dehydration. this may cause you to feel dizzy, faint, or lightheaded, or weak upon standing. ketoacidosis is a serious side effect that may be fatal. symptoms include nausea, vomiting, stomach pain, tiredness, and trouble breathing. stop taking jardiance and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of ketoacidosis or an allergic reaction. symptoms of an allergic reaction include rash, swelling, and difficulty breathing or swallowing. do not take jardiance if you are on dialysis or have severe kidney problems. other side effects are sudden kidney problems, genital yeast infections, increased bad cholesterol, and urinary tract infections, which may be serious. taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. tell your doctor about all the medicines you take and if you have any medical conditions. isn t it time to rethink your type 2 diabetes medication? 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i wouldn t say that they re pulling things back together, although i do believe that their electoral outlook has improved. that the size of the blue tsunami, such as it is, and we saw some of these extraordinary results in the special elections, i think it s dissipating. one of the reasons i think it s t dissipating is that donald trump is breaking the will of a lot of democratic voters to hang in there and resist, because they are worn out by the lack of fighting spirit by so much of the democratic leadership in washington, d.c. and the inability to stand up and oppose trump. i think it s more likely than not that we see a turnover. what to you mean about the lack of ability to stand up? are you talking about the impeachment question? to make an argument, a ferocious argument based on american ideas and ideals and the threat that this president poses to them. there is not a united effort, i think, that is breaking through the den of all of the day s news to inspire and motivate and keep the intensity in the democratic base, and i think as a result you see narrowing. as a strategic proposition, you can defeat an opponent by conquering them, think the allies against germany or you can defeat an opponent by breaking their will to resist and fight. think the united states in the vietnam war. so the degree to which trump exhausts his opponents, he wears them out, that people become demoralized, that theyon t see a response in fighting fashion from democratic leadership, i think in part, that shows responsible for some of the narrowing that we re seeing. we re seeing a decrease in enthusiasm. a point that i think a lot of democrats are increasingly making to me privately. thanks so much. hope to see you back soon. when we continue, we will talk exclusively to the mayor of san juan as hurricane season approaches and a new report reveals that in reality, thousands of people may have died because of hurricane maria. we ll be back with another hour of kacie d.c. right after this. derate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. help stop the clock on further irreversible joint damage. talk to your rheumatologist. right here. right now. humira. dad! hiding when i was supposed to be quitting. i thought, i should try something that works. i should try nicorette. nicorette mini relieves sudden cravings fast. anytime. anywhere. nicorette mini. u know why. we know how. now i m gonna tell my momma that i m a traveller i m gonna follow the sun now i m gonna tell my momma
accomplished in one meeting. he tried the down play expectations in that but we don t have the idea of what future conversatio would look like, would he extend the time next week. have another one in a matter of months, we to be know any of that. but getting things done on the front end is something they are concerned about. local countries have a lot ride on it. and the president has a lot of shake. we heard from shinzo abe praise for the president to get it thisser if a. there are questith appearances of success versus the substantive success that needs to be determined next week and beyond. president trump may sn be forced to testify under oath thank to multiple depositions he might be facing. on tuesday a judge in new york ruled that president trump must sit for a deposition in a denamation lawsuit brought by a former apprentice contestant. she accuse had imsexual assault inconsistent there itruth,nd there is truth adjacent statements and outright lies. it s different the stakes are different wn ifngnder oath. right. andow we see how popular a potential deponent he is. and as you alluded too, there it is not a yes orthovs. ether will be required tof thot throw in robert mueller for extra fun. if you are if the president does if he is caused to be deposed in any one of these things, are there any rules or can anything happen in any deposition? depositions are meant to be opportunities to gather information. they are generally fairly loosely run. a lawyer is present. and he can object or she can object to the line of a question. typically, the questioning keeps going, and objections are held. obviously, were the president to be deposed he would be represented by counsel and it will be a very tough situation. on the other hand the president has spoken about how much he is wig from time to time to testify, even to robert mueller. so we would he to see where he comes out. for now, certain in the summer zervos case his lawyers have protested. one of the arguments they make is he is simply too busy. but there is supreme court precedent, you may remember fron no one is above the law. that s what the judge in this case has said. can donald trump sit law on what the deposition can include. anything is possible. they can argue there ought to be limits. it is not a full pg expedition. take the defamation case, it has to focus on the let me of the case. significantly here, it was before he was serving as president, which will make it possibly f that deposition to go forward. we know you can t lie if you are being interviewed by the fb yoknow youan t lie in front of a grand jury. what aut for a deposition? same rules, you can t lie. i woke up this morning to comments that rudy giuliani had made at a conference in israel about why he doesn t believe that stormy daniels has much credibility. i thought we had largely litigated these things in the past, right, that the idea that he said she is a porn star do we have this? can we play it our audience? i don t know if we have got it. > kno donald trump look at his three wives. beautiful women, classy women. women of great substance. stormy daniels? i respect all human beings. i eveno respect criminals. but i m sorry, i don t respect a porn star the way i respect a career woman or a woman of substance, or a woman who has great respect forer as a woman and as a person and isn t going to sell her body for sexual exploitation. so i respect all human beings. i even respect criminals, but i m not going to respect a porn star. i hope the legalystem doesn t subscribe to this. you know, there is no barrier for her based on her line work to bring the claim she has brought. my reanha isy daniels is an entrepreneur in an industry where the customers are largely men of the it would be prudent for lawyers or men in general to tamp that line down. i was shocked. i was surprised that somebody would think if you are representing the president or any cli t you would put e of argument forward. certainl has legal basis. i guess what we are wondering is atmospherically does it really help the case? i would argue not so much. it was kind of gross to hear. lisa green, legal analyst. coming up, republicans are split about what to do about immigration but some are optimistic that progress might be made. the republican congressman who supports the docket s disposition. and still ahead, the president prepares for the7 summner he imposed tariffed on a new set of imports. we will look at what to expect from the summit when we come back from this quick break. you are watching msnbc. not cool. freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting? now that s cool. coolsculpting safely freezes with coolsculpting? and removes fat cells. with little or no downtime. and no surgery. results and patient experience may vary. rare side effects include temporary numbness, discomfort, swling. asptinco doctor if coolsculpting is right for you. for your chance to win a free treatment. and with twice the detail of other tests. .and strengthen the bonds you share. give dad anctrydna for just $69- with a $500,000 life insurance policy. how much do you think it cost him? 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it s like does anybody think the status quo is working regardless of what your plitsds are? that s right. we have had this conversation, and it s meaningful for you and your constituents to get this done. i m not bothered by the fact that not all republicans are not on the same side. that is the beauty of our pluralistic republican democracy. but is there enough common ground to get something happening? i don t know. i mean the senate tried voting king of the hill. they had a vota on this and they didn t pass anything. that could be in the result in the house, too. but to be prohibited as being reported forr against something when you are a legislator is a curious thing. rememberthe es ge us ch 6th adline, 90 days in the rearview mirror now. when we talk about what is the magic of continuing to do nothing? you have got me. already some issues on immigration where there is not commongreement amongst republicans and certainly not agreement with democrats on the border wall, this is issue that s very for people the come to terms with. but on the issue of some solution for the dreamers forth almost of one mine on this. i think most republicans want some resolution to this. what does it down to? that some republicans are okay with a path to citizenship for you know, when you look at ? that particular issue you say years.e president was citizenship was at the end. bob god lat was talking three years but he had to keep signing up. that s fine. put together on the floor and let s see what the amendment process produces and then see what people actually vote for. this bit where we are saying i don t want the bring something unless i know, et cetera a going to be signed into law. withllue respect i don t kn anybodyho a 100% crystal ball here. remember when we took health care to the floor? guess what? we took the hard votes and it didn t get into law. are we supposed to shut everything down? no. that s the process that your nstituents want to see, some legislative process. this is the part that frustrates people, things stuck in committee and conversations go on in the small groups but it is tough to defend nothing. judge me by how i vote. that s thisbusiness. give me a chanc the vote. setting up this hurdle thatsi d unless i know it s going to pass is like well f we did everythinghat way we probably wouldn t have a country right now. what do you say to those people i did it i was a bit tongue in cheek when i said speaker paul ryan is holding off a mutiny. it isn t muteny but it is a coma i think to the way leadershipngs s be done. through committee and such. how do you see pushing back on the leadership. there3ep that have a higher voting percentage with the president than the speaker is. this isn t a bunch of people running around trying to tear things down. secondly, there is probably general agreement on 80%f e issues. are we going to let the perfect be the competitor to the good? after this long the last tim we were listening to cassette decks. some of your viewers don t even know wha cassettes are. good to talk to you. comi u nex wll other side of the immigration debate among republicans. bob good lat will join mefter the break about why he doesn t want the discharge petition to be happening and what he is proposing in its place. most people come to la with big dreams. we came with big appetites. with expedia, you could book a flight, hotel, car, and activity all in one place. wearing powerful sunreen? yes! neutroge® ultra sheer. unbeatable protection helps prevent early skin aging andn ncer with a clean feel. the best for your skin. ultra sheer®. neutrogena®. i we worked with pg&eof to save energy because wenie. wanted to help the school. they would put these signs on the door to let the teacher know you didn t cut off the light. the teachers, they would call us the energy patrol. so they would be like, here they come, tu off your ligh e three youndies were teaching the whole school about energy efficiency. we actually saved $50,000. and that s just one school, two semesters, three girls. together, we re building a better california. retaliatory tariffs, everything from lamps to pork and cheese to flat steel. some of the tasks aimed at the agricultural sector are set to double nex month testimony retaliatory tariffs hit $3 billion of american gd flowing across the border to the south. the european union is targeting similar commodities including whiskey,ycles, denim, tobyio, juices and more. those tariffs target $3.4 billion worth of goe goods flowing from the united states across the atlantic ocean. canada is ting the hardest stance. in addition to some of the same items targeted by mexico and the eu, they plan to hit pizza, chocolate, paper prodawn mothers, household appliances, shaving creams, soaps, pat res asks playing cards and more. do you know what you have to do to canadians to make them put a tariff on kegs, beer kegs? the canadian tariffs are going to hit $12.8 billion worth of american products. all together three of our biggest trading partners are putting tariffs on nearl $30 billion worth orts f the united states. now the u.s. tariffs and the retaliatory measures come as president trump prepares to head to canada for this weekend s g7 summit. the president is going to face angry allies when he m with the leaders of canada, the ance, germany, italy, and japan. trump imposed these tariffs because of concerns about chinese steel flooding the market and hurting american companies. instead, this has turned into a full-blown trade war with some of america s closest allies. joining us now to have a closer look at this, jane harmon, president of the woodrow wilson center and linda yu a professor at oxford university and author of the book, what would economists do. thothf you for being here. thank you. thanku. listen darks what you right about in your book, you about back to some of the emis the1700s and 1800s when bryn was the big economy in the world. their understanding of the fact that if you have a trade deficit if you are a wealthy country and you have trade deficits with other countries thinkore creatively. it s not necessarily a bad thing that you use t cash that you have t buy other people s cheaper goods. you think about why for instance america has a trade deficit. it has had a trade deficit since at least the second world war. a lot of it is because if you have a stronger dollar you can actually buy more goods. it helps your own economy. i should also say that one of the lessons from ricardo some of the great economists is that all economies are based on trade being free. but it is a not. another approach would be to say listen the biggest thing america produces are services. it is a hard to sell services globally. it s not as open as selling, say, aer ka. therefore, let s open up the services market,t america is really good at. that would improve the trade balance and probably make our allies not so angry. that s an interesting partf though is that we have in terms of manufacturing workers in ica,oth parties have been responsible for spinning a tale that somehow we are going to make things better for them. we are going to buy cheaper ods me in other countries by lower wage workers but we ll fix your problem in ever inning america. somehow. i don t know what we are going to do for them. we we always promised them we would do something. they fed up and voted for donald trump who said i m going to do something for you. they got fed up. but to the just for that reason. automation is taking jobs worldwide and we haven t figured out the next generation of good jobs for enough people. we also don t have our education system aimed at train people forn high school for some of those jobs. about you the other piece of this tt head spinning is how this administration doesn t lynch a to b to c. where are we getting in a trade war with europe and our closest allies based on the national security stion of the trade law when we are letting zte, this massive telecommunications firm in china, which does things that have huge national security implications off the hook? and why are we do this right now when t president is heading to europe to singapore next week to negotiate where we need our allies. a huge deal a potentially huge and possibly successful deal with north korea? why are we doing this. linda, the fact is one of the great thing about trade when done right over all of history you look back at some of the small nation states used to trade with everyone, because they had peace with everyone. maybe they had peace because they traded with everyone. but there is a relationship between good trade and peace. so where you are looking for a world with more peace, keeping your eyes on board is probably a good strategy. it is a good strategy. what we have learned is that globalization if done right really does bring prost pair. we have seen a lot of that around the world. i think the problem with the moving workers is that globalization hasn t helped everybody. rit. there a tse who have been left behind. not just by globalization, but also by technology. if you look at the hollowing out of the middle class, median wages in this country have been stagnant for four decades. that made people say the status quo doesn t work we want something different. i think that is legitimate. however how you get to the better outcome, i think that is the he could. in order for you to have a better trade relationship with your major trading partner the european union is our major trading partner. you ought to have a trade agreement, l t tip which was done under president obama s administration but since stalled. if you talk about national security, to get back to that, economic security is part of national security. pulling out of tpp at the beginning of the trump administration strainedur economic relationships with our partners in asia who we need as a buffer against china and to h north korea. prime minister abe is visiting with president trump i think right this minute i m sure with both issues. both about trade, and about his fear that he could be abandoned in a deal with north korea. if we had stayed in the tpp our influence in asia would have remained bigger than it is right now. they are moving along without us. yeah. i m worried that all of these regions will move along without us. how is it going to look in four or five years if we don t have anybody to trade with and they are all trading with each other. an important moment in time. this is a great book, what would the great economists do. thank you ladies. now back to another key issue i was talking about earlier, immigration. as house republicans continue to negotiate a way the get an immigration bill to the floor some republicans are arguing for a return to regular order. speaker paul ryan spoke positively of the traditional legislative process earlier today. i think what members were running a discharge petition because they were worried that we weren going the take action, that they weren t going to be able to have votes on the floor for policies they like. but inmembers also realize i think members also realize a tis charge petition will not make law. i think they are appreci that we hahe right conversations happening and our next step is putting pen the paper so we can get legislation to the floor. to that end, everybody is agreed that we need to at some point get some legislation. with me, bob good lat the chairman of the house judiciary committee. congressan ma, good see you. i smoke tok ab aday moments ago about on the with aing to have something. wants his constituents to see there is debate amongst members of congress and some vote on something, given that you all seem to want some resolution to this outstanding immigration matter. what s your view? i agree that he would want to pass legislation. not just take it up and vote on it. but pass it. put pressure on the senate to take up this issue again and ultimately get a bill to the president so we can make progress on both securing our borders and closinges our immigrationlaws. and moving moored toward a merit immigration system, and doing something good for the daca recipients so that they have the opportunity to remain in this country permanently and have some at a special pathwo citizenship, not something unique to them, but the opportunity to avail themselves of the pathways that people who immigrate to the united states can afford themselves of now. so this is a very positive development that the pressure is on to do somethin i have been very pleased by. i don t think the discharge petition is the right way to go. that s more likely to yield an unbalanced approach. but the meeting we had this morning was very productive and we are hard at work. you have seen some republicans who have been interested in the discharge position seem to have taken a wait and see view. they will hold up for a little bit to see what you come up. but some of the complaints that and their superintendents have, is that the last time we dealt with immigration in america, in the congressman s words, we were listening to cassette tapes. most of america want to see something done with the dreamers. there may be some dispe let s play what mark said about ways for looking at the path for citizenship or not for dreamers. let s listen together. when you look at that particular issue, you say well the president was talking ten or 12 years, citizenship was at the end of the gob good lat was talking three years and you had to keep signing up. it s like, that s fine. put something on the floor and let s see what the amendment process produce asks see what people actually vote for. congressman, what s your view on what to do with the dreamers. americans overwhelmingly, including republicans, overwhelmingly want a solution to this problem. i agree. as a former immigration lawyer myself i am certainly sympathetic toheir point. here the point. i think we need to assure and the bill i introducedh mccall, and labrador and mcsally, that bill gave them a permanent right to remain in the united states as long as they didn t commit a serious crime and the opportunity to avail themselves of existings to citizenship. it did originally require a renewal every three we moved that to six years. would talking aut what that length of time should be but we right to remain , a statutory right not at the whim of one president or anotherut co citizenship where ty get thing thaeoe who the c avail themselves of as well and get ahead of people who are sometimes on a very long waiting list who want to come to the united states legal flee. they are not eliminated from being in the line. they are just not given li. they are put this the back of it? correct. do you think there is re hope at what youe proposing something that gets voted on any time inhe nr future. yes because these meetings have been very product. and the conference meeting today i think reflected ae on the part of the overwhelming forward with a solution here. but members who sign the discharge petition and members who are s our most conservative members in our congress are working tether to come up with solutions to this problem and allow us to bng a bill to the floor is this congressman thank you for joining us. congressman bob good lat of virginia. we will stay close to the story. coming up, facebook and its data controversy in china. for at least a decade the social media giant allowed chinese companies to access your merge date. new revelations are shining light on the data sharing agreements, some of which are in place. why you should be concerned and what facebook has to say about when we come back. you are watching msnbc. and this is frank s record shop. frank knowns northern soul, but set up a limitecompany.. frank knowns northern soul, what s that mean? 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[cheers] 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. new ensure max protein. in two great flavors. for almost a decade, facebook has been allowing chinese companies to access your peonal information, with the new york mes revealing the data sharing agreements that the social media platform still has in place, here is why you should be concerned. one of the deals is with let me see. there we go. one of the deals is with huawei one of china s biggest telecom equipment companies. its smart phones accessed friends lists, political leanings and work education history. facebook claims the information the company could access stayed on urs phones and not on its servers. a 2012 congressional report expressed concerns that the chinese government could use the company to spy on americans. the federal government has banned the sale of huawwei devices on military locations. there are three other companies who had access as well. if you bought a smart tv on black friday there is a chance you could own one of these devices. facebook could be in trouble with the ftc over these partnerships because some of the deals went into place after it reached a deal with the agency to more tightly control access to your data. facebook isn t the only company under scrutiny over a deal with huawei. the wall street journal reports members of congress want to know more about an agreement that they have with google. that deal allows their devices which run on the android operating service to use the android messaging service to send texts and other media. they want to know if that deal has any information sharing. joining me now, an early and current investor in facebook skpk an early investor in google. you seem to be precious end. you seem to foresee where these problems are going to be. i am not going to get ahead of ourselves here because there is more to come possibly. but you suspected this would be the case. put this into terms that my view remembers going to understand. in simple terms, facebook saw an opportunity to get on to cell phones when smart phones first began. they didn t have a product that would work on every device. so they did a work around. they basically said, we want you guys to access our data and create an experience that is a facebook-like experience. right. and that required them to give up the date. the problem with that is enmeaning you didn t have necessarily the facebook app on your phone. you definitely didn t. but you could use the messaging and everything that fell like and looked like facebook. they didn t have an official babe app. they gave the part it could, and these guys created the rest of the experience inside the phone. the problem with that is that they legally were required by the federal trade commission to have prior consent. right. informed prior consent from the user. they didn t get that. part of the argument that facebook might make. but part of the issue is that they didn t have facebook in china. so this was their way of accessing the chinese market with their product. that doesn t get them off the hook relative to the ftc. this is a patterned behavior. we saw with it cambridge analytic. we are seeing it with smart phones. we are going the see it other other product types. i suspect we will see it in game consoles. anything connected that you have information on. anything connected that facebook might sit on. they wanted to be on everything. yau. when the move came they are initially reluctant to look at mobile. they weren t as prepared for the opportunity of 4g and smart phones as they might have been. yeah. given limiting timing and the large number of manufacturers they cut some corners. is that mitigating for them? at some point there is going to be increasing pressure. the europeans have already taken action. there is going to be inpreecing pressure for americans to take real meaningful action as it relates to privacy as it relates to facebook. i believe that facebook is going the lose the freedom of action it enjoyed its entire life. right. i don t think how long it s going to i don t know how long it s going to take for regulations to kick in if facebook were smart right now they are not behaving that way. but if they were smart they would anticipate the changes and stop the drip and drip of news and sit there and go wait a minute we basically let everybody have everybody s data. that s the conclusion we are coming to. we know that happened. because they didn t see a problem with it. from their point of view it was a legitimate thing. these aren t the customers, these are the products. the users. they don t have a help desk for users. they have help desks for advertisers. ? right. in that scenario there is more to come. this is really important stuff because facebook is not the only company that s going to be guilty of things like this. but they have frankly embarrassed themselves so badly with they ve handled it that they have attracted all the attention. and, you know, it s a huge issue. users have been exploited for economic gain by people who showed absolutely no, you know, no care in what they were doing. and that has to change. i mean but it strikes me there is a road out for platform they have a position that is so powerful that if they were to do the right thing, they would sail happily into the sunset. the problem is doing the right thing going to reduce the numbers. there is no way to fix these privacy issues, to fix the election security issues, and to fix the monopoly issues or to fix any of the other things that are wrong here without reducing their earnings. but the thing that s interesting is that facebook s opportunity to monetize its marketplace, to monetize cash transfers over messenger that s huge. it s still going to be phenomenally successful. they are already billionaires. it s like guys be start. the alternative is to fight a war of attribution against governments that will inevitably wear them down. no meaningful impact to them of the european decision which is good. their imposition of privacy. in fairness, both google and facebook, we have done tests they designed the dialogue boxes that give you the informed consent so that your eyes pass over the things that they tell you. people pass over the same ole thing. people are not standing up for their own rights. they have got them. which is a powerful position in facebook. you control both sides. you have handed over our information and our rights to privacy. this is why they are so crazy to not concede the problem because their situation is so powerful they would be better off. thank you. we ll be right back. you are watching msnbc. - learning from him is great. when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad s got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time. - checkmate! you wanna play again? - anncr: prevagen. healthier brain. better life. with tripadvisor, finding your perfect hotel at the lowest price. is as easy as dates, deals, done! simply enter your destination and dates. and see all the hotels for your stay! tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites. to show you the lowest prices. so you can get the best deal on the right hotel for you. dates, deals, done! tripadvisor. visit tripadvisor.com summit that will take place on june 12th in singapore. back on march 8, chairman kim jong-un expressed his desire to meet with president trump as soon as possible. and then on may 9th, i met with chairman kim jong-un in pyongyang and explained america s expectations for denuclearization. at that time we also secured the release of three americans. kim dong-chul, tony kim and kim dong song. we view that s a sign of good will from chairman kim jong-un. the united states and north korea have been holding direct talks in preparation for a summit and north korea has confirmed to us its willingness to denuclearize. a comprehensive whole of government effort in support of president trump s upcoming summit is underway. white house and state department-led advance teams are finalizing logistical preparation ands will remain in place in singapore until the summit begins. the president continues to follow every development closely and is getting daily briefings from his national security team. the fact that our two leaders are coming to the table shows that the two sides are very serious. the diplomatic model used today is different from past efforts. our efforts give us hope we can find real success where past efforts have fallen short. president trump is hopeful, but he s also going into the summit with his eyes wide open. we ve seen how many inadequate agreements have been struck in the past and you can be sure president trump will not stand for a bad deal. united states has been clear time and time again that complete verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of the korean peninsula is the only outcome that we will find acceptable. the president recognizes that north korea has great potential and he looks forward to a day when sanctions on the dprk can begin to be removed. however, that cannot happen until the dprk completely and verifiably eliminates its weapons of mass destruction programs. president trump and chairman kim will certainly also discuss security assurances for the dprk, establishing a peace regime and improving relations between our two countries. until we achieve our goals, the measures that the world alongside the united states has put on the regime will remain. in the event diplomacy does not move in the right direction, these measures will increase. throughout the entire process the united states has been unified with japan and south korea in response to the threats from north korea. i will be traveling with my excuse me. i will be traveling to meet with my japanese and south korean counterparts after the summit to continue to coordinate with them. i will also stop in beijing following the singapore summit. i will provide them with an update and underscore the importance of fully implementing all sanctions that are imposed on north korea. president trump recognizes north korea s desire for security and is prepared to ensure a dprk free of its weapons of mass destruction is also a secure north korea. president trump has made it clear that if kim jong-un denuclearizes there is a brighter path for north korea and its people. we envision a strong connected secure and prosperous north korea that is integrated into the community of nations. we think that the people of the united states and north korea can create a future defined by friendship and collaboration and not by mistrust and fear. we believe that chairman kim jong-un shares this positive vision for the future and we are committed to find a path forward and we assume and hope that that belief is sincere. we are looking forward to being in singapore in just a few days. as a reminder, we ll take a few questions before the secretary has to depart. roberta? what progress have you made in narrowing the gap in your understanding of denuclearization and north korea s definition of denuclearization? has there been progress in bringing that definition closer together? yes. can you describe that a little bit? no. [ laughter ] that was quick. john. thank you, sarah. thank you, secretary pompeo. as you mentioned in your remarks, north korea in the past has reneged on prior agreements it has made with the u.s. government. so i have two questions for you. first question has to do with your experience meeting with kim jong-un. do you trust him? and my second question has to do with the negotiations that are upcoming with north korea. who, in your opinion, has the upper hand in the negotiations and why? so, with respect to your first question i have had the chance to meet with chairman kim jong-un twice now. i can tell you he is very capable of articulating the things that he is prepared to do, present clearly the challenges that we all have to overcome. it s why the two leaders are meeting. it s an opportunity to lay those out clearly between the two leaders so that we can see if we can find a path forward together that achieves outcomes both countries want. your second question? who has the upper hand? yeah, we don t think about it in terms of who has the upper hand. we know this has been a long intractable challenge. it s gone on for decades. president has said repeatedly previous administrations weren t prepared to do what we ve done already. it s not about who has the upper hand. it s about trying to find a way where you two sides can come to an understanding where we can get concrete steps, not just words to overcome the challenge. mr. secretary, the president said he doesn t believe he needs to prepare very much ahead of the summit. do you think that s a prudent arochi? also i want to get your reaction to rudy giuliani s comments that kim jong-un got on his hands and knees to beg for the summit to go back on, whether he should be weighing in on these international affairs and whether you agree with that assessment. with respect to your second question, i took him as being in a small room and not being serious about the comments. i think it was a bit in jest do you think he could jeopardize the summit? we re moving forward. we re focused on the important things. i know rudy. rudy doesn t speak for the administration when it comes to this negotiation and this set of issues. with respect to your first question, progress, we re making progress inch by inch. we re going to travel there. this is different. the approach president trump is taking fundamentally difference. in the past there have been months and months of detailed negotiations and they got nowhere. this has driven us to a place we have not been able to achieve before. dave. thank you, mr. secretary. the president said today if the singapore meeting goes well, he d like to bring kim jong-un to washington possibly for further meetings. has kim jong-un invited the president to come to north korea? so, i don t want to talk to you about the conversations that have been had between the north korean side and the united states. i ll leave that for the president to talk to. but what i do want to get to, this comes back to the other question you asked about the president s preparation. so, in my previous role and i have said this before, you can look it up there were few days that i left the oval office after having briefed the president that we didn t talk about north korea. so, over months and months, days and days, president trump has been receiving did shall that wraps up this hour for me. i m going to see you back here tomorrow 11:00 a.m. eastern with stephanie ruhle. thank you for watching. going to hand it over to my friend nicolle wallace with deadline white house right now. hi, everyone. it s 4:00 in new york.
he then added this. based on the fact that no president has been tougher on russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the democrats. they definitely don t want trump. they didn t don t want trump, he said. even though last week russia s president admitted he did favor mr. trump, at least in the last election, which is what intelligence agencies had been saying for a long time, but putin finallied a mid it. president putin, did you want president trump to win the election? and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that? translator: yes, i did, because he talked about bringing the u.s./russia relationship back to normal. now president trump says the russians actually don t like him, despite what president putin just said. which is weird because not only did truputin say he liked trump the last election, but because of that helsinki summit, relation ares with russia had suddenly changed in matter of hours. he said that. it was recorded. everyone heard that. let s play it. the intelligence community. just yesterday he launched plans to yank the security clearances of former top intelligence officials, some of whom were the very people who warned him about russian interference during the 2016 campaign. he continues to attack the russia probe, calls the russia story a hoax, but now he is also warning about the russian threat, except with this democratic twist. so what changed? well, today secretary of state pompeo was asked what happened between clo behind closed doors between the two presidents. what is your understanding of the agreements that were made between president trump and president putin there? the president has been clear about some of the things that were agreed to. we re going to put together a business council. we ll start processes. there were many things that came from what i view as an incredibly important meeting between president trump and president putin, one that i m i think the world will have benefitted from when history is written. not easy to write history, though, when there is no one actually taking notes. in any case, it s hard to glean much from that. pompeo doesn t say he knows all of what was discussed. he said the president has been he just said he met and spoke with them. not surprising, the russians have been interested to fill this information vacuum. russia s ambassador saying president putin and trump reached key deals during their talk on key issues in syria and ukraine. that s where we are tonight, russia s leader suddenly seeming more transparent than america s. and if that does not make you concerned, i m not sure what will. russia took a step to reducing their limited transparency further. what have you learned, jeff? anderson, we re learning tonight that the white house is going to change its policy toward reading out these phone calls and these meetings that the president makes with foreign leaders. our kaitlan collins is reporting tonight that the white house is either temporarily or permanently changing its practice of sending out those read-outs of meeting. now this is separate from the helsinki summit, but this is also very interesting and very important for this reason. the president, of course, talks to many world leaders, but they ve not always been as good as previous presidents in terms of reading out and explaining the fact that the phone call happened for one, and two, what meeting. do we get the white house to release any more information about what actually went on inside that room? we don t. and the story, frankly, has become the fact that we do not know what else was discussed. you heard the secretary of state, mike pompeo. talking earlier today. he called it an incredibly important meeting. that s about the extent of the readout we have gotten from the meeting. we have gotten flor the russian side in terms of what they talked about generally. but anderson, this could change tomorrow. the secretary of state is going to the senate foreign relations committee. he is going to be grilled tomorrow on exactly what happened in the meeting. so he ll have to have some type of answer. this is going to be in a public forum here. but as of now, the white house has given very constant information about what has happened privately. of course everything publicly has changed several times. so who knows what happened privately. and as far as the next meeting between president trump and putin, has anything been agreed upon? it has not. the kremlin today acknowledged that they had been invited. but that was one incredible step short of accepting the invitation. and this could be something of an embarrassment for the white house if the kremlin does not accept it. this was extended. the invitation was extended very hastily last week on twitter. john bolton, the national security adviser was instructed by the president to invite putin here to washington. that was not received that well by republicans, certainly on capitol hill. speaker paul ryan said today vladimir putin is not welcome on capitol hill. john cornyn, the number two republican in the senate said this meeting should not happen. should it be placed on the back burner. so we do not know if the meet willing happen, when it will happen. but if the kremlin does not accept the president s invitation, anderson, that will certainly make the white house look sort of foolish. usually all of these things are agreed upon privately before they re announced publicly. jeff zeleny, thank you very much. latest reactions as well as the claim that russia is now targeting democrats working for democrats. showing us democratic congressman adam schiff. congressman schiff, i wonder what your reaction, this move by the white house to stop announcing calls with foreign leaders. to some people it may not sound like a big deal. it certainly sounds like chipping away at transparency. it certainly is chip away at transparence it is. i think it s the impact of some of his conversations leaking in the past, leaking do not congratulate putin, and then of course he goes and congratulates him. this is a president who doesn t trust his own staff, doesn t trust really anybody around him. this is why he wanted to go into that meeting with putin without any witnesses. and you know, watching mike pompeo and sarah huckabee sanders try to answer the question what did the president commit to or what did they even discuss, you know, it s not difficult to read between the lines, both of them saying basically we have no idea. we really have no idea what they talked about, except in the most general terms. well, i guarantee you the russians have a very specific idea of what the president had to say. and they are framing that discussion now in the absence of any commentary by the united states. and this is the other problem, that is if they cease to do any readouts of phone conversations, we may not know they take place at all. and if they do take place and a foreign government decides to set the agenda of what was discussed, we won t have necessarily any push-back from the united states. it s also amazing that i mean, in any other time, you know, a one-on-one meeting with a foreign leader might not seem like such a dangerous thing for a president of the united states to do, but the idea that its president trump is the one briefing the secretary of state, the secretary of defense, anybody at the white house about what was actually discussed when we know the president has in the past said things to sarah sanders or others that turned out not to be the case or he reversed it later after they went out publicly and said, well, this is what happened, and then the president undercuts them the very next day. so if he s the only narrater of events to the secretary of defense, the secretary of state, he s not necessarily the most reliable of narraters. well, that s certainly the case, even when he says things publicly, he tries to reinvent them afterwards. even when he said would, he now he she s meant wouldn t. of course there is nobody to correct the record on anything that was said privately with vladimir putin. but this is just it. the president really doesn t want a witness. he s not willing to stand behind publicly what he is saying privately, and that ought to concern all of us, because we ve already seen the damage that he did publicly. but it s extraordinary. you know, even as a member of congress, i know this is true for my colleagues, when we have important meetings, we want someone else there, in large part because if there is follow-up to be done, we don t want to rely solely on our own recollection. we also don t want to rely solely on our impression of what the other party said. so i always want staff present and to be able to say, okay, how do we operationalize this and what than, and what did you think of this comment. we re getting none of the benefit of that. the president is getting none of the benefit of that. and i think that is obviously to the detriment of our country. i m wondering what you make of the president s invitation to putin to come to the white house. this fall ambassador nikki haley very clearly said the u.s. doesn t trust putin or russia. i m not sure she is speaking for the president there. she also said you can t get to the end of the other side if you don t have those conversations, meaning those kind of conversations with russia s leader. there a chance another meeting could be a good thing? well, you know, if the russians are hesitant at all a, it s because the helsinki summit could not have gone better for them, and they may view this as an effort by the president to somehow redeem himself. but in terms of ambassador nikki haley s comments, she often strikes me as the ambassador to the united nations from a country of her imagination representing a president of her imagination who bears no resemblance to this president, because plainly, what she s articulating is not the view of this president. this president thinks putin is a chum and admires his strength and talks about the strengths of his denials. in the trump world, if you deny something, it didn t happen. that s all that matters. people admit anything are just losers. but of course that s not how the real world works. and last, i want to ask about the president s tweet today that russia will be pushing, in his words, very hard for democrats in the midterms because nobody has been tougher on russia than president trump. does that i don t know where that s coming from. it just seems in stark contrast to what putin said last week and what mr. trump himself said last week, which is in the four hours since the summit began, is there has been essentially a reset on relations. honestly, anderson, where it comes from is the fifth grade. it s a version of i know you are but what am i. for this president to claim nobody is tougher on russia, who has denigrated nato and who has talked about inviting russia back into the 2k3g8, he is a dr come true for the russians and the idea that the russians oh, don t want mr. difficult, tough trump is a complete fiction, and it would be laughable if it was coming from somebody other than the president of the united states. philip blum made the point that this could be the groundwork to blame russia if the democrats take the house or the senate in november. you know, that s always a possibility, that he is laying the mattress to blame the russians for a loss in the mid terms. but honestly, i think that may give him more credit than is due. i think this is just what the president does, which is whatever you level against me, i level back at you, but i do it doubly hard. that seems to be what s going on here. congressman schiff, i appreciate your time. thank you. thanks, anderson. joining us now cnn intelligence and analyst bob baer. also mike rogers, former house intelligence committee chairman. i wonder what you make of this practice of the white house of formally disclosing calls with foreign leaders. listen, i think it s very, very worse for a couple of reasons. if there were in fact concessions remember, foreign minister lavrov of russia said there were important concession made by the president or the president of the united states, and then this week we found out through a third party that the president had called turkey, he had called israel, which tells me something is cooking on syria, i just think finding out from foreign partners is always a bad idea. it advantages their narrative. and with vladimir putin, we have to understand something. this guy is a master at information warfare. and so any advantage he has in that, and that s not targeting the united states necessarily, foreign intelligence service, people who are cooperating with the cia around the world, they re going to get messages that are very, very different than they might hear today. that s what concerns me about really shutting down the ability for the united states to put its spin on these phone calls so that you don t get this problem where somebody walks out and said oh, the united states made serious concessions here. well, bob, it does seem like the white house and the president just don t place, a, all that much importance on transparency, and don t trust the people around them. well, exactly, anderson. he looks at the federal bureaucracy as the deep state. he truly believes that. he doesn t trust the national security council. he doesn t trust rank and file state department. he didn t want a transcript from helsinki because he was convinced it would leak out. he s doing foreign policy himself, and relying on his memory, of course, is not going to work. and you have vladimir putin, who i have no doubt made a transcript of that meeting and is going around the kremlin now and say look what i won. he has gone out to the oligarchs and said look, this is a great breakthrough. sanctions are going to come off. who knows what he is saying. but one-sided like this, we just don t know what the president agreed to, and the russians are out. you can trust it in the ukraine, i got everything i want. you guys give up now. the americans are on our side. it s undermining our foreign policy. chairman rogers, it s an interesting idea and other former intelligence people have also suggested the idea that the russians may have a recording from inside that meeting. what s significant about that, not only to bob baer s point, but also if, in fact, the president then came out, or the white house came out and said, well, this is what happened in that meeting. here are the things that were discussed, and then it turns out that s at odds with, you know, a transcript that comes out of russia or a recording that comes out of russia, that would be damaging for the president and for the credibility of the presidency. it would. but i don t think how this is going to play out. i think putin had this thing scripted pretty well. he gets to come out and say anything he wants that happened in that meeting. he gets to talk about the fact, again, when lavrov came out and said really big concessions were made by the united states. he didn t say what they were. so now they get to over the next few days, few weeks, they get to dribble out what they want as far as concession and say, well, really, that s what happened in this meeting. i m guessing that if there was a recording, it probably went in the bottom of the drawer. remember, let s say that putin comes in and says, you know that referendum in ukraine, we caught to talk about that. and trump, remember, this is the guy who walked out of this meeting and thought it was great idea to turn over u.s. citizens to russians for interrogation, including a former ambassador. if in that meeting, you can only imagine he is not prepared for the meeting. he said that. he probably doesn t have a great grasp because he wasn t getting briefed by his entire of his national security council and national security team. so putin says how about that referendum in ukraine. he says yeah, that s something we should talk about. bam, he comes out and putin gets to define that. he gets to say guess what? he agreed to some referendum in ukraine about should russia be there or not. i guarantee you that is on russian terms, not u.s. terms. that s why this kind of an action to me is really soft mark. it s boneheaded. you have great people around you. the president needs to listen to them. and this needs to be a policy. and i think bob was right when he said he s kind of going at it alone. yeah. he really wants to go at it alone in turkey. he wants to go at it alone in israel, because he thinks he is smarter than everyone else in the room. my mother always said when you re the smartest guy in the room or think you are, time to find a new room. i think the president needs to slow down and think about the consequences of what he s doing. i mean, just listening to you talk, i got to say, it s nuts that this is real, that this is actually this is what we re discussing, you know, we re not talking about some college student. this is the president of the united states, the most important decisions facing the country. it s kind of stunning. we re going to take a quick break. we re going have more with bob baer and mike rogers. also the latest on singer demi lovato, who was rushed to the hospital today after apparently overdosing on drugs. we ll be right back. belly fat: the chili pepper sweat-out. not cool. freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting? now that s cool! coolsculpting safely freezes and removes fat cells with little or no downtime. and no surgery. results and patient experience may vary. some common side effects include temporary numbness, discomfort,and swelling. ask your doctor if coolsculpting is right for you and visit coolsculpting.com today for your chance to win a free treatment. come fly with me, let s fly, let s fly away. -we re in a small room. what?! -welcome. -[ gasps ] a 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from the white house, no clarification even how much the president s top cabinet secretaries might know what was said eight days ago. that s not to say that presidents trump and putin are the only ones that knew what happened. according to a report in politico, there is a top secret collection service that specializes on wiretapping on the fly. it s called the special collection service. back to talk about it if they can, bob baer and mike rogers. bob, gathering this intelligence, i don t know, is there anything you can say about how that would work? i assume the u.s. in the past has intercepted russian communications, and that s one way for them to hear what happened in this meeting between the presidents. well, anderson, if there was a transcript, it would have been sent back to moscow in diplomatic communications. it would be highly encrypted. we re not going to ever see that. that would surprise me. but on the other hand, what we do know about the russians, people in the inner circle of putin do get on the telephone and talk, whether they think it s encrypted or not. we can pick this up, and we can pick up bits and pieces of it, at least putin s version of the meeting. and so the intelligence community, the best read they re going to get at the national security agency is from these intercepted phone calls. and that s not a great secret, by the way. right. i should point out the russians are very i should point out what you re saying is well-known to the russians. it s obviously in the past there has been lots of reporting about intercepts even in the yeah. the indictments against the russians talk about overhearing phone conversations. exactly, anderson. there you know, the russians are sloppy. what can i say? it s not the old kgb. they talk on the phone. they gossip, the oligarchs in the kremlin talk about it. just like the steele report, the first dossier on trump was picked up thanks to these a lot of intercepts and gossiping. so we re going to hear some version of that meeting in the national security agency is the place to pick up those transcripts. chairman roger, sarah huckabee sanders did say yesterday the president has met and spoken with his national security director, the secretary of state, the director of national intelligence, the defense secretary since his meeting with putin. we don t know what he told them. she didn t say yes, he briefed them, he gave them a complete rundown, he told them word for word what was set, just that they met and spoke. if any of this information with putin, we just don t know if it was disclosed. i hate to say it, but it was hard to watch the secretary of state try to walk through that minefield today, and it was very clear that he still doesn t have a good appreciation of what happened in that meeting. to me, at least, from watching his comments. and this is why this is a problem, again. if you recall when the president came back from north korea said hey, denuclearization, it s all done, here we go. i don t know what the big deal was. we got this done. and about 30 seconds later, the north koreans were saying oh, no, no, we never agreed to that. we never agreed to that. and so you re going to get the same thing. so if the president comes out and says hey, i got an agreement from putin to do to completely pull out of syria and give us take assad with them, guarantee you that the russians are going to say no, i would never agree to that. even if that was the discussion. we don t know. that s why these meetings are so dangerous when you just kind of wing it and go on your own. that s why you need the complete national security infrastructure around you to have these discussions. so that you don t walk yourself into this problem. yeah. and that is another. this is why i think the president did away with the announcing at least the kind of and by the way, these reports from these foreign leader phone calls pretty boring stuff. but what it does, it puts everybody on the same the same page. that s really important as you re trying to move forward in these really delicate negotiations. mike rogers, bob baer, thank you. good discussion. coming up next, why the president s speech to veterans today made one former white house insider think of authoritarian regimes instead of american presidents. david gergen talks about that. and the president s call to disregard what you see on the news or what you hear. with best in-class towing 2018 ford f-150. best in-class payload and best in-class torque the f-150 lineup has the capability to get big things to big places bigtime. and things just got bigger. f-150 is now motor trend s 2018 truck of the year. this is the new 2018 ford f-150. it doesn t just raise the bar, pal. it is the bar. withwhat sore back?sk. what bum knee? advil is relief that s fast strength that lasts you ll ask. what pain? with advil with tripadvisor, finding your perfect hotel at the lowest price. is as easy as dates, deals, done! simply enter your 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all, this cnn senior political analyst david gergen and cnn political analyst gloria borger. david, for the president of the united states to tell people to stop believing what they see or what they read, it s what dictators, it s what authoritarian rulers say. it s kind of unbelievable in the truest sense of the word. it reminds me of there was a quote from orwell in 1984. he said the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. it was their final most sensible demand. it really sounds a lot like what the president is saying. i m afraid you re right, anderson. a healthy democracy depends heavily on a robust debate with different points of view being freely expressed. that s the whole essence of the first amendment. and the president for a while now, but more relentlessly is trying to suppress the voices of democracy, suppress the voices of the press, denigrate the press. you can t believe what you hear or see, only believe me. stick with us. this from a president who routinely lies, five, six, seven times a day according to various studies by the washington post and others. he issues most untruthful statements. so it s sort of the height of hypocrisy in some ways too, but it also comes, anderson, i ll be brief, it comes on the heels of just saying yesterday that the white house wants to strip national security officials of the past from any access to confidential information if they are critical of him. that s the standard. we ve never done that before. we only strip people of their security clearances when they violate national security. that s not what we have here. and today this attorney general, of all people, in front of a group of high school students joining him in a chant, lock her up, . yeah. you put all that together, and historians and people who study democracy will say this is the road to authoritarianism. we can t go too far down this road. it s very dangerous. gloria, as ridiculous as what the president said sounds to many people, he says these things because they actually work. at least some of his supporters actually will believe him over what they is see or what they read or what institutions say or what the fbi says or whatever. you know, in covering donald trump for as long as we have, i think one thing has become clear. it s not about whether something is true or false, anderson, it s about whether he thinks it works for him. and that is what he believes. he believes that this works for him. so he can stand before the veterans of foreign wars and talk about the media and say don t believe that crap, which is the word that he used, because he knows that his base believes him more than the so-called mainstream media. and he is going to keep doing it until it doesn t work for him anymore, and then he ll do something else. and he does this very frequently when his back is up against the wall, it gets worse and worse. so, look, he has taken some criticism over his performance at the helsinki summit. republicans are mad at him over trade tariffs, and so he is feeling a little bit of the heat here, and so why not blame it on the media, because it s the easiest thing for him to do, and it works. and david, obviously, look, president trump won t be president forever. he ll be one-term or two-term president. but these kind of things, these kind of ideas that you can t and shouldn t trust institutions or the press, they can do damage that lasts for years beyond a trump presidency. absolutely. and when you actually then control the courts too in terms of the judges, and you appoint judges on a partisan basis, you re going build into the system a series of practices and traditions that are so antithetical to the american experience. and, again, could really seriously undermine our democracy. the health of a democracy depends upon citizens actively engaged in trying to protect the best of it. and here we ve got a president who is ripping it up. he s not it s not the things he is doing in this area are so illegal, it is that they erode the kind of standards and beliefs and values we have as a people and drive us more and more into a polarized, cynical society. it s also, gloria, as you said none of it is something which doesn t serve his interests but instead serves the interest fofs united states of america. it s all stuff that just serves his interests. absolutely. and, look, donald trump ran for president running against institutions, and he he campaigned against every institution we know. and as president, he has governed against every institution we know. he criticize his own government, his own justice department because it doesn t serve him. he criticizes congress because very often it doesn t serve him. he criticizes the fourth estate, the media because very often it doesn t serve him. it is all about what serves him. i mean, he is not somebody who will go out there and do something because it will serve the greater interest of the american people, although he will say that. gloria borger, david gergen, thank you. thank you. sure. one other quick note about another break between the republican senate intelligence committee and the republican house counterpart. senate committee chairman richard burr telling cnn today he believes there were, quote, sound reasons for judges to approve the foreign intelligence surveillance act, the fisa warrant on former campaign advisory carter page. it puts him at odds with devin nunes to trigger the chain of events that triggered saturday s release of the redacted. tonight reports that the interior tried to deny some environmental protections at two national monuments were actually working. cnn s investigation on that is straight ahead. is it to carry cargo. or to carry on a legacy? its show of strength. or its sign of intelligence? in crossing harsh terrain. or breaking new ground? this is the time to get an exceptional offer on the mercedes of your midsummer dreams at the mercedes-benz summer event, going on now. receive 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well, they buried it, and it was hidden until now. by accident, all of this was recently revealed, including the proposed redactions in an errant document dumped to a freedom of information act request by the center for western priorities. oh, it s obvious when you look at the documents there are big, red outlines, big boxes around what they tried to redact. it was clearly just an error on the production end where they failed to actually hit the final redact button in adobe acrobat. reporter: the department of interior tried to recall the documents, but it was too late. allowing aaron wise and other environmental watchdogs to see exactly how trump s politically appointed interior department staff was working. it shows that all of their claims around the national monuments review were false. secretary zinke said there was no outcome that was preordained. these documents said definitively that the outcome was preordained and appointees were going out of their way to hide information that didn t make their case. this really is incredibly embarrassing for the interior department. reporter: in another example, this one involving offshore protections, interior didn t want the public to see this document about a protected area off the coast of new england that says these areas support fisheries for a variety of species of fish and shellfish, providing income and employment throughout the northeastern united states. a newly released e-mail says this section, while accurate, seems to me to undercut the case for the commercial fishing closure being harmful. i suggest in the attached deleting most of it for that reason are. you shouldn t be able to redact basic facts just because you don t like those basic facts. drew, has the department of interior explained why they were trying to hide this information? is there some legitimate purpose? anderson, there are rules that allow some redactions to take place, but we have no idea why the department of interior would delete things like tourism is up or dinosaur bones were found. the interior department so far hasn t responded to any of this. and it s not the first time that ryan zinky and his staff have failed to disclose or hide information from the public. this comes actually on the heels of another cnn report which found interior secretary ryan zinke i cannot fully disclosing meetings on his calendar, and we also revealed in a cnn investigation how the now fired epa administrator scott pruitt also deliberately altered his public calendar to hide meetings and events from the public. it s a troubling pattern that one government ethicist told me today that looks like these trump appointees are trying to create their own version of reality. anderson? so much for transparency. drew, thanks very much. well, there is new polling from voters eight days ogg on the meeting from president trump and russian president vladimir putin. it comes from quinnipiac university. 52% edit was a failure for the u.s. 27% said it was a success. a big majority believes it was a big success for russia. just 8% said it was failure for russia. 73% series success for russia. that s what the majority of voters think. what about veterans, including some who served when the soviet union was enemy number one? gary tuchman got a chance to find out firsthand. he spoke with veterans who were at the vfw event in missouri where the president spoke today. take a look. reporter: thousands of american heroes. where did you serve and when? i served in vietnam, 68- 69 era. bosnia and iraq. the vietnam wahrr era. vietnam and two tours in korea. world war ii as a veteran. engineering gunner on a b-24 bomber. reporter: all these heros in one place at the vfw convention in kansas city where their commander in chief was speaking, a commander in chief who inspires vastly different opinions here about what he did and what he said while standing next to vladimir putin in finland. iraq and bosnia army veteran michael griffin, the state commander of the arkansas vfw, voted for donald trump. when you heard president trump cast blame on the united states standing next to putin, how did it make you feel? saddened. we ve given a lot for this country, and i do not think that our leaders should should put those words out. reporter: were you surprised? yes. reporter: had you ever had a superior when you served in iraq or bosnia cast blame on the united states for anything? never. reporter: maria is the first female vfw state commander in hawaii. she won t say who she voted for in 2016, but shares that observation. have you ever had a superior put blame on the united states no. reporter: navy veteran who served in the straits of hormuz did not vote for president trump and also was not pleased with mr. trump s performance in finland. quinnip i felt a little embarrassed. i really did. my presidents before would never have said that. reporter: purple heart recipient john hoffman who voted for donald trump has a very different feeling. he said, quote, i hold both countries responsible. i think the united states has been foolish. i think we ve all been foolish. i think we re all to blame. when you heard him put blame on the united states as a veteran, as a purple heard recipient in vietnam, did that trouble you in any way, shape or form. no, sir, it doesn t. why not? don t think we re perfect. i think we ve made some mistakes. i think part of vietnam was a mistake. reporter: world war ii army veteran burt madison is 95 years old and quite modest. i m no hero. i m a survivor. i lost 150 guys on one mission. i m lucky to be around talking about it. reporter: when he talks about the job the president did in finland, he sticks by him. i did a silent prayer. i said i hope this comes into a friendship with russia because them and china, they re our best hope for survival in this world. reporter: they have different opinions about the president, but they have all served their country valiantly. and like this trump voter, want the best for their nation. i m just upset that there s fighting between the republicans and democrats instead of talking with each other civilly. reporter: people who go to a vfw convention are generally, anderson, very patriotic. that s why there was a lot of excitement as people came to see the commander in chief in person, and indeed many parts of his speech today were well received by republicans, democrats and independents, when he spoke about veterans, about the future of this country. however when he turned to the political rally aspect of it, when he criticized and when he slammed and when he ridiculed, it made many people uncomfortable. there were people laughing with the president, but many others, republicans, democrats, and independents say they wish that the diatribes were left for another day. anderson? good hearing about the service of so many of those men and women. thanks for be there. i want to check in with chris cuomo. anderson, we got some big news tonight. we re going to be talking about what the president says but in a very different context. we have one of the secret tapes that was made by trump s former lawyer, michael cohen, and it is the one that is the subject of so much controversy. what did the president know about the payment to the former playmate that you interviewed, karen mcdougal? when did he know it? what did he know about the arrangements that his lawyer was making perhaps to buy back some potentially damaging information from the national enquirer ? this is the tape they ve been talking about. we re going to let people hear it for themselves and come to their own decisions. wow. definitely want to tune in for that. thanks very much. that s in just about seven minutes from now. in other news, singer demi lovato hospitalized after an apparent drug overdose. she s been open about herr battles with substance abuse. the latest on what we know tonight next. with tripadvisor, finding your perfect hotel at the lowest price. is as easy as dates, deals, done! simply enter your destination and dates. and see all the hotels for your stay! tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites. to show you the lowest prices. so you can get the best deal on the right hotel for you. dates, deals, done! tripadvisor. visit tripadvisor.com but it s tough to gete enough of their nutrients. new one a day with nature s medley is the only complete multivitamin with antioxidants from one total serving of fruits and veggies try new one a day with nature s medley. wells fargo has supported community organizations from the beginning, like united way, non-profits like the american red cross, and our nation s veterans. we knew helping our communities was important then. and we know it s even more important today. so we re stepping up to volunteer more and donate over a million dollars every day. so our communities can be even stronger. it s a new day at wells fargo. but it s a lot like our first day. that is unique and that is a specialty. with all of us working together we can keep all these emergencies small. and the fact that we can bring it together and effectively work together is pretty special. they bring their knowledge, their tools and equipment and the proficiency to get the job done. and the whole time i have been in the fire service, pg&e s been there, too. whatever we need whenever we need it. i do count on pg&e to keep our firefighters safe. that s why we ask for their help. some encouraging news tonight about singer demi lovato who is hospitalized in los angeles after an apparent drug overdose. according to a source close to her family, at just 25 years old, lovato has been through a lot. she s been can dwid about her struggles with mental health and eating disorders and drug and alcohol abuse. just a few weeks ago, she said she recently had a relapse after six years of sobriety. miguel marquez joins us from los angeles with the latest, which seems to be good. what have you learned, miguel? reporter: yeah, it does. in just the last couple of minutes we ve learned from a senior law enforcement official telling cnn that she is in stable condition here at cedars-sinai hospital, that she is breathing and conscious. so all very, very encouraging information. it was about noon when police and fire from los angeles rushed to her hollywood hills home. a source close to the family saying it was an apparent overdose. we don t know exactly what the drug is, but certainly people will be breathing a little easier knowing that she is in stable condition, breathing and conscious at this hour. and as we mentioned, she struggled with addiction. she s been public about that struggle, right? reporter: yeah. i mean, look, from everything, she s used this as part of her career. so everything from drug addiction to alcohol to eating disorders and mental health, she s had quite a few demons to wrestle with in the past. in march, she said she had been sober for six years. a few weeks ago she revealed she had relapsed, and she released the single sober. one of the lines, i m sorry that i m here again. i promise that i ll get help. certainly many of her fans hoping tonight that she will do exactly that. anderson? certainly wish her the best. miguel, thanks very much. before we go, a quick reminder. don t miss our new interactive daily newscast on facebook. you get to pick the stories that we cover. you can watch full circle week nights at 6:25 p.m. eastern time at facebook.com/anderson cooper full circle. i ll see you there tomorrow and again, of course, at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn for another edition of 360. i hope you joan us for that. the news continues. i want to hand it over to chris cuomo who s got a big exclusive tonight. cuomo prime time starts right now. chris? anderson, thank you very much. appreciate it. it is a big night here. i m chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. we have one of the michael cohen
while working full time. he has an unparalleled worth he cannic and passed down the passion for playing and watching sports. the lead republican mitch judiciary and meanwhile, these four red states. they were invited to attend the event at the white house tonight but declined. we know that susan collins and lisa mur you could ski declined invitations. all six of the folks considered critical votes that republicans in their case need to protect and the democrats need to keep on their side. importantly, they both voted the two republican women did for kavanaugh s confirmation to the d.c. circuit court in 06. now earlier tonight, senator collins of maine released a statement that highlighted judge kavanaugh s extensive experience and read, i will conduct a careful, thorough vetting of the president s nominee to the supreme court, as i have done with the five previous supreme court justices whom i have considered. i look forward to judge kavanaugh s public hearing and to questioning him in a meeting in mi office. with all that, let s bring in our leadoff panel for a monday night, national political reporter for the washington post. moderator of washington week on pbs, chief washington reporter for the boston herald and tom goldsteen also back us with, veteran d.c. attorney who has personally argued 41 cases before the supreme court as we like to remind our viewers, there are only three people in the modern era who have argued more cases before the supreme court. in his spare time, he is publisher of a blog about the court. he taught at harvard and stanford law schools and in that book that allows him to go first tonight. tom, what do you make of the pick and what do you think the folks at home should make of the pick? give them a viewer s guide to that s right. but what is really important is that they studied all the words that involved abortion, affirmative action and gay rights and came to the conclusion that he hadn t written anything that would create a real opportunity to block him. now he has conservative decisions in a lot of the areas. and also in gun rights. but nothing so extreme that someone could say to americans, look, this would be a vote to overturn roe versus wade, therefore, you have to stop him. instead, what you have is a very, very solid conservative jurorist. so robert, talk about what you know about the lobbying for and against this choice. there was actually an outcry on parts of the republican party inside parts of the republican party about as we were just discussing, his rulings on certain health care cases, abortion cases he was not conservative enough in the way he wrote up his opinions on those cases. as the president thought through his options, that conservative frustration with judge kavanaugh actually seemed to work in his favor inside of the white house because he wasn t seen as someone who would be too far out on the right that couldn t bring along a senator susan collins or the senator lisa mukowski. to pick up on bob s point, do you think this will be enough to satisfy the right? even the never trumpers that is court selections from this president. this is one area where republicans tend to be unified and while bob is right, there are some very conservative members of the senate who may have raised questions about whether kavanaugh is conservative enough whether he went far enough, for example, in his opinion that went against the federal health care act but not on the merits. whether he really went far enough on a case involving a teenager who was seeking to be released from immigration custody in order to have an aportion. that s exactly right. and that may well have played a tiebreaking role. so brett kavanaugh worked for ken starr who people will remember from the clinton investigations and there was involved in pursuing an investigation of the president. but after that, he wrote a law review article in which he talked about how it is that he thought that those were investigations were too much of a distraction on the president, that president needed to have his attention focused on his job. and in addition, his rulings on the d.c. circuit have really favorite presidential powers. i think all that pointed in the direction of president trump if he was concerned about a nominee who would really take his side in those cases. not out of bias, but out of kind of his view of the jurisprudence. he did really well with brett kavanaugh. since, tom, thanks to attorney general sessions, everyone who watches television news can now recite the definition of the word recusal. wouldn t there be grounds for him to recuse himself from a case having to do with the president who just appointed him to the court? no. there will be a lot of people would would think that and be concerned about the appearance of bias. but the rules about recusal in the supreme court are very, very, very tough because you can t replace a justice once they step out. so it is actually quite rare for a justice to take themselves out of a case. it s only when they ve been personally involved. so, for example, if he had heard a case on the d.c. circuit he would be recused in the supreme court. but the fact that president trump nominated him would not lead him to take himself out of any case. robert costa, join us in watching and listening to senator durbin, democrat of illinois. we ll talk about this on the other side. i can t predict how all of my 49 or 48 colleagues in the senate on the democratic side will vote. i will tell you simple math tells if you john mccain is abscent, it s a 50-49 senate, one republican senator can decide the fate of any supreme court nominee. so importantly, that s from meet the press yesterday morning before we had the name in hand of judge kavanaugh as the president s nominee. robert, talk about where you see the math that building behind you right now tonight. it s complicated for the democrats especially those running in states won by president trump, if you re joe donnelly or bill nelson, democrat in florida, tough choices ahead. you realize you re running in states with a rough path to nomination. they re not going to immediately revive the culture wars in the same way judge amy coney barrett may have done if she was nominated. so you re going to see leader shumer in the senate based on my reporting really try to get the democratic base engaged in this fight, make sure this is a galvanizing issue for the in the midterm elections and make sure it s not just about abortion or contraception but economic issues facing the court are also brought up as a way of making sure democratic voters are engaged. kim, we all have favorites. members of the senate we re going to be watching, who are yours? we are going to be watching, of course, susan collins and also lisa murkowski, the mod moderates on the republican side that will have questions about abortion rights and the senators that bob mentioned on the democratic side, senators from democrats from red states who are probably safe so long as murkowski and collins stay within the yes votes. if they vote against, that will put some pressure on those red state democrats. but i don t see anything so far that really seems that this is going to be a big, big push. i think republicans go into this with its advantage. president trump goes in with the advantage with his nominee as he would with just about anybody on this list made up by the federalist society and the heritage foundation, very conservative groups. i think unless there was some big thing that comes out, i think that republicans can probably hold on and get him through. tom, you had the first word. i want to give you the last. isn t one of the leading reasons to choose a federal judge for the supreme court that they have already been confirmed by the u.s. senate? that s right. and there are people who voted for him. now he s been on the court for a long time, more than a decade. so it s not like you have amy comey barrett who had just been confirmed by the senate. but it really is the case that it would be shocking to see any republican defect and vote against brett kavanaugh unless something came up in a background investigation. i think it s right that they re going to hold this vote closer and closer to the midterm elections, maybe three or four weeks before to put a huge amount of pressure on red state democrats and also to get the conservative base to the polls and really show this this is why they voted for donald trump which many of them did despite holding their noses about him as a person. can t thank you enough. there is still breaking news story just hours old tonight. robert costa, tom goldstein and kimberly atkins, appreciate you coming on. new signals in the russia investigation over truth and testimony. we ll talk about both. and later, more on what this president s supreme court nomination could mean for this president s legacy in office. we re just getting started on a monday night. there is some basis for this investigation. what we re asking him for is there the witch hunt that a lot of people think it is or is there a factual basis for this? george, he wants to testify. that s hard to believe that anymore mr. mayor. it is hard to believe given all the things that show how tanlted this investigation is. this is the most corrupt investigation i have ever seen. you think robert mueller is a biassed man? , no but i think he is vounlded by biassed people. rudy giuliani re-emerged. tonight he was at the white house as trump announced the nomination of judge kavanaugh to fill the supreme court vacancy. after going dark for a time, rudy suddenly reappeared on three tv networks over the weekend. laying out the latest requirements for a trump-mueller interview as you heard. he was also speaking about his client s former personal attorney michael cohen who is currently under federal investigation. you are concerned that michael cohen is going to start cooperating with the feds? no. in fact, you know, if he wants to cooperate, i think it s great. it will lead to nothing. look, mueller gave it away. if this had any chance of leading to president trump, don t you think mule woehr have kept this. so you have no concerns at all about anything that michael cohen might tell the prosecutors? as long as he tells the truth, we re home free. i don t know what he has to flip over. what i do know is there is no evidence of wrongdoing with president trump. i think he ll tell the truth as best he can given his recollection. the newest lawyer former clinton aide lanny davis fired back at giuliani on twitter writing, did rudy giuliani really say on the sunday shows that michael cohen should cooperate with the prosecutors and tell the truth. seriously? is that trump and giuliani definition of truth? stay tuned. truth matters. it would all seem to indicate mr. cohen would like to cooperate with the feds. as for rumored possible pardon for mr. cohen from president trump, giuliani, no surprise, says that s offer the table at least for now. i ve advised the president which he understands no discussion of pardons. you can t abridge your power to do it. that is something you can decide down the road. and honestly, it would confuse everything. with us now to talk about it, mima roca for district of the southern district of new york and from the pace university school of law. and michael schmitt back with us as well, current actually . rudy is in the room there tonight at the white house. at one point greeting rob rosenstein and other points greeting current u.s. senators. how does that work? how does it work nominating a justice to the supreme court when you re under federal investigation? and what if that justice is then asked to rule on your case? i think this is problematic. look, i don t think that he should be able to nominate a justice while he s under investigation. i think this puts the president in the lame duck category that mitch mcconnell put president obama in when he was, you know, too close to the election and under the mcconnell rule. it seems that ship has sailed and this nomination is going to happen. i think what democrats need to do now is really look at what kavanaugh has said about the presidential power and about a president being whether a president should be under investigation. and there is some debate about what his article that he wrote the minnesota law journal. exactly. we think he ll get grilled on that. and he should. because whether or not trump picked him because he seems to have this view of the strong executive, many people will think that is why he was picked. people expect that of donald trump to look out for himself first and foremost. if kavanaugh cares about his own reputation and integrity of the court and what the american public thinks about the supreme court and its independence, then he better have some good answers for that and he really should voluntarily recuse himself. he doesn t have to but he could voluntarily recuse himself from any cases growing out of the scenario about criminal investigation vofrg involving the president. michael, what do you think is behind the re-emergence of one rudolph giuliani on tv over the weekend and serious question, how much law do you think he is practicing these days or is he mostly practicing what we see television? he is back obviously now. what rudy has done for the president has been the public advocate that trump has wanted all along. trump has wanted someone on the front lines who is going to fire as much as he was at mueller. he was going to be a fighter for him. that s yes went out and got him. he didn t go out to get him for his legal mind. he didn t go out to get him to use in litigation. he got him to be a fighter for him. and the president thinks he is successful at. this giuliani can be confusing. he pushes many different theories about what is going on, some of them unfounded. and what he has done is he has helped he rode public opinion about the investigation. a poll that came out at the end of last week showed many more americans than at any point since the mueller investigation began in may of 2017 are skeptical of mueller and skeptical of the investigation. they think it s gone on for a year. a washington lawyer was among other things a clinton impeachment lawyer. clinton associate, clinton acalite. do you think there is any doubt remaining at all that michael cohen plans to work for the feds? there is no doubt he wants to. i always try to add the caution that he needs to have something to offer. he needs a document for starters. he doesn t have to be charged before he he could operates. but not everyone gets to cooperate. there needs to be valuable information, information that the government can use. i think we re all assuming that. that seems like a reasonable assumption built that s one predicate to him cooperating. the second one is he needs to be truthful. they need to believe what he is saying, test him. so assuming those things are true, yes. it does seem that his mind is now set on trying to cooperate. and, you know, i think lanny davis is the public advocate for cohen now. we said that giuliani is trumps. this is cohen s answer to giuliani really. it will get to trump that lanny davis is playing in this game. michael, let s talk about the work of one of your colleagues tonight. this was posted. trump-putin phone call back in march. he told mr. putin that russia and the united states, this is the president on the phone, should get along better. and he kmiz rated with mr. putin over trump administration officials whom the russian president said had tried to prevent the call from happening, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversation. those are stupid people. you shouldn t listen to them, mr. trump told mr. putin, the person said. so that is our president talking about stupid people in quotes on his staff. michael, i don t know where to begin except that what does this show about the trump-putin relationship? the president has been incredibly consistent on the russia issue. he refuses to say anything negative about putin, whether it was on the campaign or whether it was when he was in office. and this is obviously unusual because we have a president who is not afraid to say negative things about anyone. but on this one particular leader from this one country, he has held fast. now why is that? obviously, we don t know. but this is a consistent theme that we have seen. it continues to repeat itself. if you remember, it was back in may of 2017 right around the time that he fired comey that he told the russian officials that by firing comey he had relieved pressure on him. so he feels certainly comfortable confiding in them intimate details about where he stands politically on a very difficult thing like firing comey. our thanks to mimi rocha and michael schmitt with the new york times. you can t be turned down for any medical reason. plus, your rate will be locked in for life and can never increase. this is permanent coverage with a permanent rate, locked in as soon as you re covered. call now to get your free information. they can even help you apply right over the phone. and with the 30-day money-back guarantee, there s no risk and nothing to lose. in the last year alone, over half a million people called. but the only call that matters to your loved ones is your call. so take the first step and call. when you do, you ll also get this free beneficiary planner. i m counting on chairman kim to be determined to follow-through on the commitment that he made. and so if those requests were gangster like, the world is a gangster. there was a unanimous decision at the u.n. security council about what needs to be achieved. this takes just a little bit to explain what is going on. that obvious lit secretary of state mike pompeo firing back at north korea s criticism of this past weekend s nuclear talks. now initially pompeo had praised the negotiations as productive but the sentment was quickly undercut by the north korean foreign ministry statement. they called the u.s. gangster like in the demand for denuclearization. the attitude and stance the u.s. showed in the first high level meeting was no doubt regrettable. is trust in the relationship writing today, i have confidence that kim jong-un will honor the contract we signed and hand shake. we agreed to the denuclearization of north korea. china on the other hand, may be exerting negative pressure on a deal because of our posture on chinese trade. hope not. tomorrow the president leaves for the fate yoe summit in brussels. that is followed by one-on-one it isdown with russian president putin a week from today. there are reports the president s friendly approach to north korea is further stoking anxiety ahead of his trip abroad. they report senior european officials have told axios they re worried that trump will spend the entire nato summit beating up on america s closest allies especially germany, for not spending enough on their defense. they re worried he ll make the deficiencies the focus of the summit rather than solidarity in the face of the russian threat. and that he ll have a friendlier summit with putin just a few days after a tense nato gathering. well, here to talk about all of it, andrea mitchell, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent. and retired four star army general barry mccaffrey who is a democratic veteran of vietnam, former battlefield commander in the persian gulf. welcome you to both. the only way to start on north korea is in simple english and that is did we get played? we sure did get played. and pompeo with the best of intentions to try to flush out what in fact was agreed to in singapore if anything, he got snubbed. sarah sanders said he would be meeting with kim jong-un. he was not. that meeting was never in the cards. and, in fact, he spent two days going through endless long, multicourse dinners, lavish dinners that he had no taste for, appetite for and didn t get to the substance. they never got to the meat as to what really was agreed to in singapore. and that s the problem. the president referring to a contract? what they signed were promises, empty promises, in fact. when he said in the tweet today that he relied more put more importance on the hand shake with kim jong-un, why on earth would he be trusting a hand shake from someone who is from a regime that has a history of family history of having cheated and lied to the united states and to other allies to their own neighbors in the past? general, meantime this has become a standard line now in the president s rallies, talking about how much safer we are. that there are no longer missiles in the skies over the pacific. question to you is are we any closer to denuclearization and remind me again what north korea s motive is in agreeing to denuclearization. you know, andrea mitchell pretty much summed it up. i have a great deal of empathy for secretary pompeo and jim mattis, the cia director. they ve got to remain objective. i ve been dealing with issue since i was a jcs strategic planner during the clinton administration. the only difference between then and now is they have 60 nuclear weapons, maybe, and some icbm capabilities, striking the united states. they have no intention of denuclearizing. so the secretary of state has got to somehow maintain a dialogue lower the tension, keep our allies close to us. south korea and japan are concerned. try to keep the chinese supportive of the economic embargo and stop raising the nonsense expectations. you know, the president saying he s an honorable man are a veered by his people that, is not translating in north korea. this guy advicedly is a monster. murdered hundreds of his own senior people, thousands of his citizens. so we re in a very strange and concerning place right now. general, because you ve held posts in and around nato in your military career and because you talked about it this week, i want to head over to. that you said this the united states is spending nato central to u.s. and european peace and deterence, president of the united states has savaged the utility of the alliance and embraced putin, a threat to western europe and his own people. it is also the case that our partners have shamefully not paid their share. so general, what s your biggest fear as the president goes in to this nato gathering? well, to be blunt, the germans completely disarmed. in the 80s there were 12 divisions in central europe. very powerful air force. a competent naval force. they were the biggest land force in nato. they re gone now. the french are just about disarmed. the brits are disarming. so we do have a problem. and russia is a danger. less so to germany than the baltic states, poland, you know, the ukraine, their neighbors. so we do have to put some iron in the nato alliance. but at the end of the day, brian, nato is deterence and peace for the united states and western europe. so it has to be nurtured. we need leadership out of the president. rather than this public rudeness and denigration. and embracing putin, i mean this guy is a threat to the russian people and to his neighbors. he s an impoverished deeply dictatorial regime, why he is embracing mr. putin? and andrea mitchell to that last point, what is the level of concern in your orbit about a president asking to sit down with putin with just translators, no other record of their conversation? extreme. and that is certainly the concern of our allies. i ve spoken to a lot of senior european officials. they were nervous before quebec. but after that g-7 meeting when he went into the meeting, the president did, arguing that russia should be invited back despite the fact that they took crimea and eastern ukraine and haven t really paid or acknowledged that to say nothing of attacking our election as well as other european elections. that so unnerved our allies at the g-7 who overlap with our nato allies that this is really concerning. the attacks, the personal attacks against angela merkel, the really dishonorable way he apparently talked to her at the table in the private sessions as well as what he said in public to both trudeau and macron and angela merkel now you have a weakened british leader with teresa may. 48 members of parliament from her party signed letters that is going to face a no confidence vote in parliament. so all of this happening with the brexit problems that she faces at home, weakening her hand as well and now she has to face welcoming the president very unpopular in the uk for a played down state visit with enough pomp and circumstance to satisfy his ego. that s going to be really tough with hundreds of thousands of people protesting in the streets of london. two of the people we ll be counting on to help us cover the gatherings, our great thanks to andrea mitchell and barry mccaffrey. coming up, few decisions to find a president as much as a supreme court nomination. president himself has been saying that. what tonight s announcement likely will mean in terms of legacy when we come back. think about when you get in the voting booth the united states supreme court. just think about it. because i ll tell you what, you put the wrong justices on the supreme court and this country will never, ever be the same. it will never be what you had hoped it would be. while on the campaign trail, the man who is now president talked about it all the time. the importance of a supreme court selection. say nothing of two of them. he clearly saw this as a red meat issue to motivate the base, get out the vote. tonight just 18 months into his presidency, the president has indeed nominated a second judge to the highest court in the land. tonight s nomination is critical, not just for the trump presidency if confirmed, a justice brett kavanaugh at age 53 could have a lasting impact on supreme court rulings for decades, generations to come. and with us tonight to talk about all of it, john meachum author and historian, the soul of america: the battle for our better angels and david marinis, a author and presidential biographer and veteran of the washington post. gentlemen, thank you both for coming on tonight. david, i m going to begin with you. your take on this pick and i just want to lay out one stat that a justice kavanaugh would bring the average age on the right side of the court to 61 by our math. the average age on the left side of the court would be 72. what do you make of this man who was introduced to the public tonight? you know, brian, i think that in most cases supreme court nominees are judged based on their political philosophy, the political context and the individual characteristics of that judge. in this case, i think the individual characteristics, even the age are less important than the political context and the philosophy. and, you know, so often with supreme court justices you think about where sort of the history of judges. and president trump was right in saying how important it is. you can t overstate the importance of this choice in terms of women s reproductive rights, in terms of health care, and so many other issues. two things. one is that, can you think of a president whose legacy was determined by supreme court choices? richard nixon picked four judges. i can t say that s in the top ten list of how you define richard nixon. and secondly, i think the legacy here is more to do with republican party than with president trump. i think that they made a bargain, some would call it a devil s bargain that they would hold their nose on so many other aspects of donald trump just to get to this moment today. and so you i don t sleeper agents exactly. but they are particularly as they come on younger, you re talking about 35, 40, 45 years of jurisprudence. and you also wonder in the court we all change our minds if we re i think if we re thinking and living and you wonder whether any of these justices will evolve over time. david, i was reminded today the vote on ginsburg, ginsburg, not all that long ago in our lifetimes, was 96-3. she was not a puzzle to us. writers of history, it strikes me you re entire business is all about timing. look back at the last three presidents, two term presidents. they had two picks over eight years. along comes donald trump and he gets two picks right off the bat. 18 months and sooner or later, guys like you are writing about legacy, whatever else happens that defines whatever this presidency is. absolutely. it s interesting. if judge kavanaugh is confirmed, we ll have one justice from the one term president from george walker bush, clarence thomas, then two from clinton, two from 43, two from obama and two from trump. and so interestingly the court itself will reflect the presidential elections of the era. and as you say, we don t know how many more he may get. the generational aspect of this is fascinating. i think david is right. presidents are not often defined by the choice necessarily. but eras are. but there is also this longer term drama that is unfolding which if trump gets two or three or even four, franklin roosevelt pinlted most of roosevelt and truman had appointed all of the justices on the court when in 1954 easterly warren joined it. and became i think the most consequential justice of the 20th century and arguably the most consequential since marshal since the court did what the political system failed to do which is take on integration directly. and so these are long term bets. i don t want to call them sleeper agents exactly. but they are particularly as they come on younger, you re talking about 35, 40, 45 years of jurisprudence. and you also wonder in the court we all change our minds if we re i think if we re thinking and living and you wonder whether any of these justices will evolve over time. david, i was reminded today the vote on ginsburg, ginsburg, not all that long ago in our lifetimes, was 96-3. she was not a puzzle to us. she was not enigmatic. we knew about her jurisprudence. zero issues with her character. so you have to look at that as the last vestiges of an era when a decidedly left or right jurist could get affirmed, 96-3. will we ever see those days again? not in the near future. you can never say what this country will be like in 15 years. but the political situation now is so fraught that anything, no vote is going to be 96-3 on anything these days. john, this is where we bump up against your book. which is on so many tables. coffee, bedside, and otherwise. so many kindle and associated systems for good reason. a lot of barrooms. so many are in the dark of the supreme court development. you remind us so well, it s been worse, it s been darker. but we re hearing from folks, especially on the political left, this is bad, this is for keeps, at least for a couple of generations. what do you say to them? i know it feels cataclysmic. and each of these nominations tends to feel like the thunderdome meets c-span somehow. but the country does have a way, the court does have a way, by and large, of reflecting the middle of the country. and there are dramatic exceptions to that. but the court now is proof that presidential elections matter enormously. clarence thomas, ginsburg, breyer, alito, kagan, gorsuch, kavanaugh, that s an even span over the past four or five presidents we ve had. what we need to insist on, in our daily politics, now minute to minute politics, i think, is understanding that every vote counts. i understand why senator warren was out there with the quickly printed stop kavanaugh signs. i understand why senator booker was on television, senator harris, this is in many ways not the beginning of the 2020 race, but it s certainly related to it. but the court does have a tendency to surprise. and what i would say to those who are about to set their hair on fire, at least wait until morning. of the four justices that richard nixon appointed, rehnquist had to recuse himself, but the others had nixon turn over the tapes. three of his appointees voted that way. warren did not go in as this remarkably progressive voice. eisenhower was not sure what he would get. so, things do unfold. these are human institutions. and if you are concerned about judge kavanaugh, get out and elect someone else president. john and david, thank you so much. what a pleasure it is to have you both on the broadcast. thank you so much. coming up for us, we mentioned it earlier, big troubles across the atlantic having to do with what that man did today. when we come back. when i received the diagnosis, i knew at that exact moment, whatever it takes, wherever i have to go.i m beating this. my main focus was to find a team of doctors that work together. when a patient comes to ctca, they re meeting a team of physicians that specialize in the management of cancer. breast cancer treatment is continuing to evolve. and i would say that ctca is definitely on the cusp of those changes. patients can be overwhelmed . we really focus on taking the time with each individual patient so they can choose the treatment appropriate for them. the care that ctca brings is the kind of care i ve wanted for my patients. being able to spend time with them, have a whole team to look after them is fantastic. i empower women with choices. it s not just picking a surgeon. it s picking the care team, and feeling secure where you are. surround yourself with the team of breast cancer experts at cancer treatment centers of america. visit cancercenter.com/breast booking a flight doesn t have to be expensive. just go to priceline. it s the best place to book a flight a few days before my trip and still save up to 40%. just tap and go. for the best savings on flights, go to priceline. 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north korea for the first time. jesse: let me get your reaction to james comey. spspygate has blown into the atmosphere. as far as i can tell it s made up. i don t know where he s getting that from. do you find that to be possible or probable that there was a spy inserted into his campaign by an intelligence agency? i don t find it possible and i know it not to be true. jesse: maybe james clapper had different take on this. let s hear what he had to say. was the fbi spying on trump s campaign. no, they were not. they were spying on a term i don t particularly like, won t russians were doing. were the russians trying gain access and leverage and influence. this is what they do. why doesn t he like that. he should be happy. each should be. jesse: who do you believe, the liar or the leaker? wait comes down to is james comey lied before congress so many times. his deputy andrew mccabe lied to the fbi on three different occasions. clapper and brennan probably perpetuated the worst crime in political american government history. now they are scurrying rats. they are all pointing the fingers at each other. they have many bad days in front of them. every time they go on television they can t keep their stories straight. jesse: you have to keep your stories together if investigators are going to be asking you questions. he could have gone in when he was a candidate and said we are worried about certain things and we are going to put people in place to pick up russian intelligence. the president is a total patriot and would have been fine with it. they were fearful he was going to win, so they did ita in a wer did it in a sereptitous w. they took $5 million out of their campaign war chest, paid an. did they also do that with a campaign that paid $5 million to go to russia? we know the answer noise. this was their insurance policy against a trump success. jesse: you have hillary clinton dealing with foreign countries who donate millions to her foundation. i would say there is more foreign influence into the clinton campaign from china, middle eastern countries, from the russians than there was from the trump campaign. the next move will be to completely protect them. god forbid if anything happens to them, there are two big dominoes that will knock everybody out. jesse: also answering questions, the nfl finally has a policy about kneeling. the fans didn t like the disrespect. trump was asked about that. change in policy. if they do kneel, not on the field. in the locker room. brian kilmeade caught up with the president. president trump: you have to stand proudly for the national anthem or you shouldn t be playing, you shouldn t thereby, maybe you shouldn t be in the country. jesse: that freaked everybody out. there are rules for every organization that people work for. one of the rules are simple. stand up and acknowledge the national anthem. i don t understand why this is even a controversial question. if you don t want to respect the flag that men have died for. don t play a silly game where you make millions of dollars. it s a privilege to play that game, if you don t want to do it, a lot of people would be willing to take your spot. at the end of the day people walked away from the nfl and the ratings went down and that scared all of them. but they are up against it with the players union. to me i think they made the right decision. i think there is another way to progress peace and social justice. that is a game of entertainment and the american people don t like they are doing. jesse: one of the coaches who disagrees with you had this to say on the new policy. basically trying to use the anthem, nationalism, airing people it s idiotic. i am proud to be in the league, but understand fatism in america is about free speech and protesting. our president decided to make it about that. the nfl followed suit. pandered to their fan base. jesse: he s wrong it s not about the first amendment. when you are at your employer s place of work, he he s paying u to play football, you have to do what he wants you to do. the nba signed into their collective bargaining agreement that everybody has to stand for the national anthem. jesse: they all stand there. so what is he talking about? it s signed contractually into the collective bargaining agreement. you pay a game, you make a lot of money it s an entertainment thing. you stand up, show respect for the greatest country in which we live. if you don t want to stand for the anthem. go somewhere else. good luck making that money in romania. jesse: police brutality and racism is a serious issue in this country. at the same time there is other avenues. mohammed ali said it was a white man s war an left boxing to make that protest. i am not saying people should do that, i m just saying look at power and courage it took to do that 50 years ago. jesse: an thon which, corey, thank you very much. a 30-year-old living with his parents. he won t leave. his parents took him to court. next. what makes these simple dishes the best simple dishes ever? great tasting, heart-healthy california walnuts. so simple, so good. get the recipes at walnuts.org. my mom washes the dishes. .before she puts them in the dishwasher. so what does the dishwasher do? 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tomi. this guy doesn t have a girlfriend, he doesn t have a job. his parents want him to get on with his life. what would you do if you were the parent? it s sad for me as someone who is 5 years old to look at someone in this position, in generations past we were storming beaches. how far have we fallen? jesse: he s storming the fridge for a late-night snack. i disagree with tomi. he dug in and is working hard at stay where he is and he s showing a little legal spunk by representing himself in court. maybe he has a legal career ahead of him. maybe this parents would prefer hip. when i saw this, i thought which lawyer would take this case on. this is probably the most of motivated he has been in 8 years. jesse: he s work hard to stay where he is. i can t believe his parents have to write him five letters. i have a 3-year-old. i can t imagine going to court in 27 years to kick my daughter out of my home. we invited him on to watters world. let s play some sound from this guy. he was talking about impeachment. this is what he said. you can t be the boy who cried wolf and expect to have a viable impeachment power. you can t use it over and over again against the same president. if you are going to shoot him, you have got to shoot to kill. jesse: i don t want to be the p.c. police here. i am not going to get that sensitive. but if a republican talked about impeachment and said you have got to shoot to kill with barack obama, can you imagine the outrage? the double standard is the only standard the left likes to uphold. but because we are conservatives we understand it s not the best phrasing. i m sure he didn t mean it that way. but i agree with him on the impeachment stuff. it just makes them look worse and worse and worse. so, i don t agree with his choice of word but the guy is right. jesse: i love when the democrats talk about impeachment. why don t you talk about impeachment. why don t you talk about russia and ms-13 being good people. that should be the roadmap for the mid terms. i agree democrats probably made mistakes here. what the professor was saying is democrats talk about this far too much. they try to utilize it too much it s lost. he stated clearly this needs to be a bipartisan thing. but the only other thing i will say is words matter. we have seen even from our own president when people are spit on and protesters punched. jesse: i think we found out the democrats paid for guys to go into the trump rallies and swing at trump supporters. undercover video showed that. you had a problem somewhere in the country, tomi. i guess you had water thrown on you. let s play some of that video so everybody can see. someone threw water on you. why did they do that? i would like to say thank you for playing that on watters world. it s still traumatic. i am kidding. jesse: i don t want to give you ptsd. it was water and it s not the end of the world. it shows the left and their true colors. the fact that they are proud of it, they wanted to post it on line, it s a new low, but that s the left. jesse: i was at a bar on election night 2016 watching trump win and getting excited when trump started picking up states. all of a sudden a young lady threw a drink at me and she ran out of the bar like a total animal. it happens to people in is nothing you can do about it when water gets thrown at you. ann coulter, they threw pies at her during a speech. people get glitter bombed. it doesn t happen on the right. you don t see conservatives throwing water or fruit at democrats. why is it the left that likes to throw things through the air. jesse: i just convinced you by my numerous examples. twhreeger or fruit or a pie, none of this is okay. tomi, i feel for you and i wish we weren t in a place where this is happening. think about what we say and do and try decency. we sit here and i didn t bring a pie. and we can have a conversation. jesse: to hurricanes, do you get heat when you go out. i don t know why, people have such visceral reactions to you. they either love or throw water on you? 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[ ] ed: live from news headquarters. the american prisoner held in venezuela has been returned to the u.s. he went to venezuela to marry a venezuelan woman. he was arrested on weapons charged and held for two years. the leaders of north and south korea holding a meeting after president trump canceled the summit with kim jong-un. the president says he is still open to meeting with kim. i m ed henry. now back to watters world. stick with foxnews.com for all your headlines throughout the weekend. jesse: despite objections from the left, president trump swore in the first cia director this week, gina haspel. president trump: gina, congratulations. there is no one in the country better qualified for this extraordinary office than you. our enemies will take note. gina is tough, she is strong, and when it comes to defending america, gina will never ever back down. i know her. jesse: the beef is based on her involvement in waterboarding. a former seal videoed himself being waterboarding just to prove it s not wrong. on 9/11 some of the people had a choice of burning to breath or jumping. here is my sympathy for those guys being waterboard. jesse: tim kennedy joins me now. i would never do that, i m too soft. you can tell was it feels like. describe what it s like to be waterboard for that long. it s not comfortable. it s not a pleasant experience. as you are at that angrily slightly inverted, water pools in the back of your sign us. it s bad you feel like you are drowning. but you are not drowning because the water doesn t go into your lungs. it doesn t stop it from running through your eyes, nose and bafng your throat and pooling in your sign us. it s not damaging, it s just uncomfortable. jesse: it s irritating and agonize bug not torture. i wouldn t even say agonizing. i think uncomfortable is the closest you can get. you could stick me in there and strap my arms down and punch me in the stomach. it s still me laying there and you are dumping water on my face and it doesn t feel good. jesse: some people who didn t have the same training you did as a special operator did give up valuable information. we have had cia directors say it led to intelligence. the mastermind behind 9/11 led us to bin laden s whereabouts in afghanistan. there is no question this garnered valuable information that saved americans lives. it comes down to the person on the board. i m rest flute my convictions. i understand morality and i believe in ethics. the people we have waterboard are the most of despicable humans to walk the face of this planet. these are the nazis of this generation. they torture, maim and kill. they are bullies and cowards. when you take away their authority and take away their col are they lost that power to control everything. they freak out because they are cowards. you said you couldn t bet on that board. i think you would have no problem with it. you would say this is uncomfortable and it s horrible. but you are still a man of convictions and morals. you would lay there and say this sucks. jesse: i m glad you think so highly of me. why do you think democrats are so obsessed with prohibiting this time of procedure. is it because they feel sorry for terrorists? it s because they don t want to say they won t drop to their level. what motivates them to be so outraged when american cia agents pour water on terrorists faces. they are apologists. they are so short snietd what happened to us on 9/11. we have been at war for 17 years. these are people who will put a man on his knees and before a camera slowly slice his neck open. they have been apologizing for what we have done since 9/11. hiroshima, nagasaki, we dropped nuclear bombs to independent a a war. jesse: i know if the sons and daughters of any of threes democrats were ever in a position where they had a loved one at the hands of an al qaeda terrorist and the only way to save that person was to waterboard someone to lead to those whereabouts, they 100% would say yes, do whatever it takes to find my son or daughter. tim kennedy. thank you very much. my pleasure. take care. jesse: up next, diamond and silk. atrained in court on sex charges. he posted $1 million bond so he s back on the streets with an ankle bracelet. harvey is in handcuffs. do you think he ll beat the rap? if he did the crime, he should do the time. these hollywood elites ed: this is a fox news alert. you can see the president is with the released prisoner from venezuela. president trump: he was in a venezuelan prison almost two years. amazing you were able to take it. your daughter marion is here and your parents. jason and laurie you went through a lot. and you were there fighting all the way. i want to thank bob corker and mike lee and hurricanes a, every time i see mia, she would talk about you. i say what about something else. can we talk about something else? she was always doing it, and orrin hatch is a legend in the senate and this country. orrin, you were great. bob, mike, mia, orrin, i want to thank you have much. we have had 17 prisoners released during the trump administration. most of people don t know that. remember aya? we called the president of egypt. he released her. she was there for three years. the previous administration was unable to get her out. a fantastic young woman. she was released. in north korea we just had a great success. we had three wonderful people of, americans released just recently. home safely with their families. you were a tough one. that was a tough situation. but we have had 17 released. and we are very proud of that record. and we have others coming. near the midst of big negotiation to the get others out. in most of cases they are americans. but we can try to help other countries as welt where there is injustice. i want to welcome you to the white house. you have gone through a lot. more than most of people could endure. i want to thank your parents for being such loving parents. you were very, very special. you were fighting all the way. there wasn t an hour or minute you weren t thinking about this family calling everybody and letting us know. we are all as a group very happy. the state department has been fantastic. where are my guys from the state department. john sullivan, you guys were fantastic. look at all those people who work at the state department. you are probably surprised to see that. but i am going to ask you re parents if you have something to say. i would like to get to the senators and you, mia and ask you also. can i start with the parents? i want to say thank you to you personally for everything that you have done. as well as the state department. but all of you. i can t even tell you. i have grown to love senator hatch and mia so much. not everybody gets to talk to senator hatch and mia love. when everything happened last week, mi far as was the one who sansd her phone and was the one who got things rolling with senator hatch. he saved josh. president trump: i have never seen hurricanes a cry before. it was a horrifying week and she got me through it. senator hatch, i can t tell you how much i love all of your staff. so thank you, thank you. and i also want to say thank you to president maduro for releasing josh and letting him come home. she pretty much said everything. president trump: you are smart. josh, would you like to say something? i m overwhelmed with gratitude for you guys. everything that you have done. for the support of my wife through those two years. they were very, very, very difficult for years. not really the great vacation i was looking for, but we are are still together, starting off our marriage rough, but now we ll be together. i m so grateful for what you guys have done and for thinking about me and caring about me, just a normal person. it touches me. and i thank you. president trump: you have been very brave. we saw what was happening inside that prison. so you have been very, very brave. bob corker. would you like to say something? we are just glad to have you home. a lot of people worked fear a long time to worked for a long time to make this happen. i want to thank the people in the state department. particularly i want to thank call ebb mcthere a d i wantk caleb mcnary. it was quite an experience we could almost write a book about in the last 48 hours. we were actually taking off on the runway, nothing in venezuela hatches quite in the same way it happens here. we were going down the runway and they turned the engines off and we turned around. so we still weren t sure we were leaving. president trump: why did they do that? there was an instrument issue that occurred. but we got out of there. josh had a huge smile on his face. president trump: probably there isn t a time when anybody was happy there was a bad industry d instrument on a plane. there were people we worked with down there, i do hope at the right time you will have a chance to thank. there are people who want to try to affect the relationship in a good way. they were helpful in getting them out of here. i know you talked to one of them last night when we were having dinner. president trump: we have pastor brown on. a wonderful christian pastor. he s right now in turkey, he s been there a long time. they say he s a spy, but he s not a spy. we have been working for his release, he s having a hard time. there is a trial going on. but the trial is not so much of a trial. we are talking to the folks in turkey about doing something about it. but pastor brow brunson. i hope you can hear us. we are work on it. he s a totally innocent man. josh, i want to wish you a warm welcome home. we missed you and prayed for you. miriam and tammy, welcome to our country which is now your country. [speaking spanish] president trump: good job. good job. orrin hatch, senator, spectacular man. please. i can t tell you how much i appreciate you. i was the one guy who really supported you 100%. i think you are doing a terrific job. this shows why we support you. you actually this was i have some say, these folks did a great job. i was really thrilled with the way bob handled himself. caleb and others, did such a good job. we have good people working with us. and the folks in this delegation all very sincerely wanted to get josh out of there. the parents are just as good a people as i ever met in my life. you better really live a good life, that s all i can say. but this wouldn t have happened without you. when you look back over your tenure in the presidency, this is just one of the many great things you are doing. but it s really a great thing. to know that we can rely on you and count on you and talk to you. and meet with you. these are all very important things. we love and want to support you where we can. president trump: you have all been very supportive. that s very nice. i appreciate that have much. mia? i was thinking about what i was going to say today. it s been an emotional day. so many families send their sons and daughters out for a year and a half and two years, and they want to know if something happens to their children that they have got someone or the united states will have their back. i don t think there is a person in the united states right now that doesn t realize that you have their back. i wanted to personally thank you for keeping a promise that you made to me. every time would go and see you, i would bring up joshua s name and you would say i will do everything i can. and obviously i believed it. josh, your mom never let us forget but. she is one of the strongest women i know. we have started a friendship that has been that started through maybe some heartache and pain, but we are going to be friends forever because of the bond that we have had. so, you know, i just wanted to say sincerely that we are with you, utah has been praying for you, and so happy you are coming home. and utah wants to thank you, mr. president, for making this happen. we wouldn t have been able to do this without you. everybody here, senator hatch, mike lee, bob cork. the state department. we all worked together to make this happen. you don t know us, but we know you very well, joshua and we welcome you home. president trump: i say don t mention the name joshua holt, we are working, we are doing it. but she didn t forget. she was out there pitching as was bob and mike and orrin. that s a strong nucleus, but we had a great team. we are doing very well in terms of the summit with north korea. looks like it s going along very well. as you know, there are meetings going on as we speak in a certain location which i won t name. i like the location. it s not so far away from here. i think there is a lot of goodwill. i think people want to see if we can get the meeting and get something done. if we can be successful in the denuclearization of the core reyab peninsula, it would be a great thing for north korea and south korea. it will be great tore japan and the world and united states. great for china. a lot of people are work on it. it s moving along nicely. we are look at june 12 in singapore. that hasn t changed. it s moving along pretty well. so we ll see what happens. thank you all very much. we appreciate it. congratulations. it s very, very well. thank you very much. everybody. ed: well, to say the least, not a usual saturday night at the white house, especially not on a memorial day weekend. i m ed henry in new york. you have been seeing the president of the united states in the white house with joshua holt. he is a mormon missionary to traveled to venezuela from utah to marry a woman he met there. his parents were there as well as his wife and daughter. senator mike lee grew emotional as he said our country is now your country both in english and spanish. this caps a remarkable two-year journey for joshua holt and his wife and daughter. he had been in a prison in venezuela because of the maduro administration, the trump administration has been battling with. there are u.s. sanctions hammering their economy. this move seen potentially as a goodwill gesture obviously. the maduro government hoping that this opens the door to a broader conversation with president trump about easing some of those sanctions. senator marco rubio and others active on social made yeah saying this is not enough. it s a goodwill gesture. but what really needs to happen is maduro needs to step down before those u.s. sanctions, those punishing sanctions should be relieved. as i mentioned, a remarkable two-year journey for joshua and his family. you saw senator bob kosher, the republican chairman of the senate foreign relations committee along with senator orrin hatch. the pictures on the left of your swing, that s senator corker and joshua carrying luggage together. a light-hearted moment in the oval office when president trump was pressing them on what happened. he said they were about to leave the airport, they were about to take off and suddenly the pilot turned off an engine and turned back as if they were not going to be leaving venezuela. you heard the president ask what were the venezuelans up to. senator cork said there was a problem with an instrument on the plane. the president said that was probably the first time someone was happy there was a problem with an instrument on a plane.