thought, the famous verizon ad. can you hear me now? good. can you hear me now? that s where we land. cell service needs to fall back. if people are using that trick to get off the phone with the president, that is amazing. works. liz, thanks for being on the show. this other guy, thank you for being on the show. that s our show sp. have a great thanksgiving friday. at 6:00 p.m., we have our speci special, russia on trial, check that out. and hardball starts now. trump stands alone. let s play hardball. good evening, i m chris matthews up in boston. for weeks, republicans is have distanced themselves from roy moore. they ve pulled endorsements and urged him to drop out. and many have said they believe his accusers. let s watch. do you believe these allegations to be true? you re talking about he said 40 years ago, this did not happen. so, you know. and i do have to say, 40 years is a long time. he s run eight races and this has never come up. so 40 years is a long time. well, both new york tabloids ran with the same headline today in response to that performance. and politico reports the president has vents about moore s accusers for days, expressing skepticism about their account. quote, during animated conversations with senior republicans and white house aides, the president said he doubted the stories presented by moore s accusers and questioned why they were emerging now, just weeks before the election. according to two white house advisers and two other people familiar with the talks. the white house advisers said the president drew parallels between moore s predicament and the one he faced just over a year ago. nine women have made accusations against moore, most of whom were in their teens when the incidents occurred, though they vary by age and by circumstances. some say moore just pursued them for dates. others say he assaulted them. moore has denied them all. here are a few of those women in their own words. my mother went first, and then when i got up and went out, he grabbed my behind. just, hard. he grabbed it so hard that it was almost like fondling. like, it was such a hard like a i could even feel the dents of his fingers. mr. moore reached open and began groping me, him putting his hands on my breasts. i tried fighting him off while yelling at him to stop. but instead of stepping, he began grabbing my neck, attempting to force my head on to his crotch. he removed my clothing, he left the room and came back in wearing his white underwear. and he touched me over my clothing, what was left of it. and he, um, tried to get me to touch him as well. but i was a 14-year-old child trying to play in an adult s world and he was 32 years old. for more, i m joined by national post reporter, robert costa, yamiche alcindor and peter baker, all msnbc contributors. let s go in that order. robert, i always count on you to give me a sense of trump, the man. why is trump the man defending roy moore, the man? this person? it s pure politics, chris. when you listen to insiders in the wlohite house, they say the have to get this tax bill through. and the president is haunted by these accusations he faced los angeles yelast year. so he doesn t want to wade into this national debate about sexual harassment, even though he knows that these women are making pretty credible accusations. so the white house feels politically boxed in and the president has chosen to make a political decision that puts him at odds with his own party and the congressional leadership. well, do you figure out based on the timing of this, if roy moore can win this fight, this special election, when would he take office? he would take office very soon after december 12th. so he might be a voter on the tax bill? he would. and that s the explanation coming from some white house officials. but there is a real divide in the course of my reporting, when i talk to senate republican sources and house republican sources. they say they don t want judge moore on capitol hill, because even if he would be a vote for taxes next year, they say long-term, he s a burden for the party in the 2018 midterms. let me go to yamiche on this. i ve been thinking about this for the last couple of seconds, which is the poll numbers on the u.s. congress dreadful. because when they have an image of it, they have the leadership in mind. that s bad enough. if they have roy moore in mind, it will sink them even further. i think it will sink them even further, but this political calculation that president trump is making is one that is in some ways questionable, because when you have someone like mitch mcconnell saying, not only, i think, saying, yes, i believe the women, and i don t want roy moore here, even before all of these allegations, mitch mcconnell was going to have a really, really hard time convincingry moore to vote for any bill for the good of the party. now, whether or not he would vote for tax reform is one thing, but long-term, when republicans have to put together other things like health care or infrastructure bills, roy moore is not going to be somebody s vote you ll be able to whip by telling him you have to do what s best for the republican party. so i think there s something going on there. but i as agree with robert that president trump is haunted by the own allegations he has made in recent days. there have been stories asking, what about the women who said president trump was sexually inappropriate to them? will they have a second voice? so within the media and within the party and democrats, when you re interviewing them about roy moore, the question always goes back to president trump and why he was able to send political success while still having all these other women saying these things. peter baker, let me broaden this for a moment before we go further on the details. it seems to me by defending roy moore, president trump yields up, basically, forfeits any notion of being a moral arbitrator on any of these cases, including his predecessor, two or three before him, to bill clinton. that question came up thanks to kirsten gillibrand, the senator from new york. if he says roy s okay, does he have any say in any other case? it seems to me he doesn t. well, it s been very striking, of course, his own daughter, ivanka trump, said there s a special place in hell for people who molest children. and she obviously was talking about roy moore at that time. is he in fact being used by the democrat doug jones in his campaign ads against roy moore. her father taking a different position, basically saying, well, all you have is a he said/she said and it s 40 years ago and you have to listen to him as well as to the women. and you re right, it s a selective case. he tweeted out against al franken, the senator from minnesota. there was photographic evidence in that case. and what the white house would say is, look, al franken admitted what he did and therefore it was fair game for the president to talk about. but it does raise questions about when he s going to be a moral arbitrator, a leader of the country beyond a party figure. president trump called roy moore s opponent, doug jones, soft on crime. let s watch. i can tell you one thing for sure. we don t need a liberal person in there, a democrat, jones. i ve looked at his record. it s terrible on crime. it s terrible on the border, it s terrible on the military. i ll tell you that we do not need somebody who s going to be bad on crime, bad on military, bad for the second amendment. bad on crime? for the record, jones is a former federal prosecutor who won convictions against two ku klux klan members for the 1963 bombing of the birmingham church that killed four young black girls. meanwhile, jones is making a provocative argument against moore in a new web video his campaign released just today. it s pretty powerful. let s watch. leigh corfman, beverly young nelson, debbie wesson gibson, gloria thacker deeson, gena richardson, wendy miller, kelly harrison thorpe, and the list is growing. they were girls when roy moore immorally pursued them. now they are women, witnesses to us all of his disturbing conduct. will we make their abuser a u.s. senator? let me go back to robert costa. if again, the man for understanding the president personally. do you think the president s squirming about this personally? and i know he s out there saying this is false testimony, it s political, held-timed for that. and you know he s argued that the timing is disturbing, but the charges in themselves seem very credible and they make this guy look like some character out of some horror movie. do you think trump is bothered to be on his side? those images, the statements of these women, it s troubling, it s emotional to see. sexual harassment is a tragedy for women. at the same time, we heard from president trump echoes the remarks of governor kay ivy of alabama, that they re trying to celebrate the growing referendum idea in alabama, that doug jones and other democrats are pushing and trying to separate that idea of making this a referendum on roy moore and make it about republican policies and republican politics. and that s the test case here in alabama. can the democrats score a win in the south by making this about politics and about the politics of people s personal choices, not just how they vote when they re on capitol hill. yamiche, it seems like they re trying to turn it into a british election, where you basically vote party no matter who the person is? i ll say that to someone who went to swing states in north carolina, to ohio, right after the access hollywood tape came out, i talked to so many republican women who said, yes, i don t like the fact that the president trump said this. i don t like the fact that then candidate trump was accused of being sexually inappropriate with women. but at the end of the day, i need republicans policies, i m pro-life, i believe in the tax reform that they re going to have. i believe in the way they look at the world. and as a result, i m going to go with the party. because i know if i put hillary clinton in there, she s going to do democratic things that i don t agree with. so there are women who made that political calculation, and that s why president trump won overwhelmingly white women, because they looked at the women that were accusing president trump of acting inprotoly and said, you know, i feel bad for you, but i m going to go with my party. so president trump isn t doing anything that s atypical of republicans. it s how he got into office. well, allies for roy moore have offered some truly bizarre defenses. catch this. we ve saved this. on monday, pastor phillip bennam offered perhaps the most ridiculous one yet. he said that moore dated younger girls for their purity. he also said that moore returned home in his 30s after serving in the military and going to law school and women his own age, moore s own age, were already married, so therefore, let s watch. many of the ladies that he possibly could have married were not available then. they were there are married. maybe somewhere. so he looked in a different direction. and always with the parents of young ladies. by the way, the lady that he s married to now, miss kayla, is a younger woman. he did that because, you know, there s something about the purity of a young woman. and there s something about, something that s good, that s true, that s straight. is it all right for a man who s 30 years old to date and court a young lady who is 14 years old with their parent s consent? is it or is it not? no. not at my house. no, it s not. not in the 80s. well, peter, i m going to give you that one. i don t know what to say. i mean, that pablam he s giving people is so i don t know what what is it? what is the word? it s a terrible idea, that somehow that this guy can go for sex, basically, with 14-year-olds because the 25-year-olds are all taken and then he said he did it with their parent s consent. why doesn t he come up with this list of young women who were in their early teens at that time that did get his parent s consent. he s nooacknowledging all the charges can but saying it s okay because the guy was desperate. he s not disputing the facts, unlike roy moore who said it s not true. his defenders are saying, well, yeah, it could be true, and if it s true, it s okay, because it s not predatory, even if people today might look at it that way. it s an extraordinary rationalization. and the real question is whether that ise s res s res r s res res in alabama. i think party preferences tend to win out a lot of cases like this. it s not a choice between two republicans, it s a choice between a republican and a democrat. and sometimes people will hold their nose and vote for someone they see as flawed because of the policies they care about. i m going to make a prediction right now. i predict that roy moore loses this race. i don t think alabama is going to put up with this stuff. thank you, robert costa, yamiche alcindor, and peter baker. coming up, the russian investigation and new information about an associate of michael flynn, general flynn now a subject of special council robert mueller s investigation. more coming, getting deeper, in russia. this as mueller may be zeroing in on trump s son-in-law, jared kushner. he looks like the next one to fall. that s ahead. plus, how did trump spend the day before thanksgiving? 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there s been a steady drum bate of reporting over the past few weeks. it seems we re hearing more and more about what kushner did and what he did not disclose in terms of his foreign contacts or outreach from russia. so it seems that mueller has a lot of information on him and he could be someone that he could go to next, especially as he works his way further inside this trump inner circle. well, jared kushner is also under more scrutiny, according to the wall street journal. investigators are asking questions about kushner s interactions with foreign leaders during the presidential transition. the inquiry includes his meeting with the executive of a sanctioned russian baeng, as well as a request from israel, asking the trump team for help blocking a u.n. resolution. as we already know, kushner originally failed to disclose any foreign contacts on his security clearance form, which he called an administrative error. but kushner could also be a key part of a potential obstruction case. general mueller s prosecutors have asked witnesses detailed questions about mr. kushner s views of mr. comey and whether mr. kushner was in favor of firing him or had staked out a position. according to four people familiar with the matter, mr. kushner pushed for comey s firing with the president and his top advisers. so two things. kushner was involved with the russians. kushner was afraid of his involvement with the russians. kushner didn t like comey coming after his involvement with the russians. he tries to get rid of comey, gets the president to get rid of comey, both the obstruction piece and the collusion piece touch on jared kushner, the president s son-in-law. that s awful close to the nervous system of this president. this is a really stressful time to be jared kushner. and it s important to remember that the news that we re getting about michael flynn over the past few weeks also relates directly to jared kushner himself. during the transition period, according to reports, flynn, kushner, and sergey kislyak, the controversial russian ambassador to the united states had a meeting together that didn t get disclosed on that security clearance form. and in that meeting, it appears that there were conversations about setting up some sort of back-channel between trump world and russian leaders. and something really astonishing happened recently. and that is chuck grassley, who s the republican republican, conservative guy who heads the senate judiciary committee, actually released a letter where he said jared kushner failed to turn over e-mails to him for his committee s investigation, that involved the efforts to set up that back channel. so we have a u.s. senator on the record, saying, first, that kushner somehow was involved in communicates about a back channel, and second, that kushner wasn t completely forthcoming with that republican u.s. senator about those efforts. what that all means is that okay, what is unique what is wrong i m sorry, betsy, what is wrong, legally what s illegal about a back channel? i think i can t necessarily speak to that. that s a complicated diplomatic issue. it s definitely outside of the norms of how the united states generally kentuckies these foreign policy matters. and of course, when we re talking about the mueller probe, what we have to remember is that first and foremost, it s a counterintelligence probe. it s looking at russian efforts to influence the united states. it s not primarily a criminal probe. so those counterintelligence matters relate directly to the way that powerful folks in the united states may try to communicate with powerful folks in the kremlin. additionally, of course, the major legal liability for kushner here is the fact that he did such a poor job disclosing all of these conversations when he was trying to get a security clearance to have access to even more classified and incredibly sensitive material. well, i ll start with julia on this. i know a lot about bobby kennedy. bobby kennedy had a back channel relationship who could have been kgb at the time. but that back channel is the way we got through the cuban missile crisis, because it was him who suggested that we deal with the turkey missiles and trading them from the cuban missiles. another case of nepotism, by the way, bobby kennedy. is it illegal to have a back channel? so we have to look lat what this back channel looks like. john kelly when he was dhs secretary came to kushner s defense earlier this year when it came out that kushner may have been trying to set up these back channels. he said, look, people have to do diplomacy in a number of ways. here s where it gets tricky. if there was a way for him to set up a back channel where it couldn t be secured, where things were either being traded quid pro quo or the u.s. didn t know about that or in a way this information wouldn t have been secure, in other words, the u.s. wouldn t know about its own diplomatic conversations, but another country like, say, russia could hear this if it perhaps happened at the russian consulate. we would be running into major national security risks and of course running into what could be illegal activity, if there s some sort of trading and selling off of u.s. foreign policy. it would be the content, not the back channel i.t. i think in the cold war sense, it was just an attempt to diffuse a possible con ton federation, a nuclear confrontation. thank you, julia ainsley and betsy woodruff, great reporting. next up, president trump is gearing up for thanksgiving by asking why people don t thank him enough. interesting. it s him, again. trump launched into a twitter tirade about those basketball players he helped free from china, calling one of their fathers an ungrateful fool. this is hardball. and that s the president. where the action is. how do you chase what you love with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis? 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why does he get another ego guy like himself, who nobody ever heard of, and pitch up a holiday-long fight with this guy? well, that s a good question. the president always punches down. let s think about this for a second, chris. we have the president of the united states, who is engaged in a fight with a private citizen, with an american citizen. you know, we used to have presidents who used to rise above these things, who would leld such insults as the interview that lavar ball gave on cnn, just let that slide, because that sort of thing is beneath should be beneath the president, should be beneath the office of the presidency. and yet, what we have here, chris, are two big egos in the age of trump, where the president feels that it s okay to punch down and zbeget into a very public fight with a private citizen. and where that private citizen sees no problem whatsoever or at all with engaging in a fight with the president of the united states. and one more thing, chris. what we have here are two people, clearly, for whom everything is about themselves. the president is getting into this fight, because he feels personally insulted by lavar ball. and then you ve got lavar ball, who s someone who from what i understand, is very savvy when it comes to creating publicity for himself. and he s got a business of his own. and this helps him. yeah, exactly! a.b., i think if the guy had the intention of sparking up a feud that would make him on the level of the president of the united states, he pulled it off! and the fact that president trump understands what the guy was up to, he compared him to don king, one of the great promoters of all time in boxing, he knew what the guy was up to, and he played his game. i don t get this? why does he want to have a unless there s a race piece to this, where he wants to have tan african-american opponent wherever he can find one. that would be another way of looking at it. your thoughts? well, there s a couple of aspects to this. one, president trump is energized by grievance and by fighting. so that s just if someone throws him some bait, he s going to come at it. number two, as jonathan points out, this guy is a provocateur and a self-promoter. and if you watched the entire interview the other night, he s a serious jerk. so it provided it s not only that president trump takes the bait, but he became a good sort of foil for the president, because the president is really trying to, as -ion, ioyou kne tweeted again about nfl players, sort of speak to the sense to his voters that these are privileged, entitled athletes and they re doing the wrong thing. and so if you if you have the combination of the culture war over nfl players, and this guy who sort is willing to set off president trump and be really rude about it, it was kind of the perfect storm, right? and then at the same time, president trump has a theme that we ve heard often. even back to the campaign before. he was a president, that he doesn t get enough credit for things. and he likes to be given credit for things. and so, he anticipated that he wouldn t be thanked by the basketball players. remember the tweet from a week ago, i bet they don t even thank me. then they thanked him, he sort of calmed down, and we re back where we are. i really hope that father ball doesn t continue this feud, because donald trump will stay with it. the president also re-tweeted a london-based pro-trump broadcaster who took a swipe at mr. ball and hillary clinton. the trump supporter wrote, the undespera ungratefulness is something i ve never seen before. if you get someone s son out of prison, he should be grateful to you, period. i don t care. if hillary got my kid out of prison, as much as i hate the woman, i.d. thank her corrupt well, you fill in the bank. jonathan, this does seem to be it does seem to be the president s wheelhouse. if you take the take the knee stigt, t fight, the statue fight, he does want to aggravate this ethnic fight we have in this country and widen the gap as wide as he can get it that day. that day, he wants it to be wide. look, chris, to pick up on what a.b. was talking about, this isn t just a fight with privileged athletes or privileged nfl players. this is the president of the united states, who always seems to find time to pick fights with african-americans. that we cannot look away from the race angle that s at play here. the president, for one reason or another, things that, and we ve seen it work, that his base likes the fact that he is standing up to people, who they think are benefiting from a system that s been rigged against them. and that what better way to feed, to stoke that grievance that a.b. was talking about, and i agree 100%, but what better way to stoke that grievance than to pick a fight with african-americans, whether they re african-american men who may or may not be jerks like lavar ball, or like colin kaepernick s who s taking a knee and standing on a principle, or jahmell hill who had so-called the temerity to criticize the president of the united states. this works for his base. but unfortunately what works for his tiny base is really horrible and detrimental to the rest of us in the united states. it s so rich that he mentioned don king. the ultimate promoter of boxing fights. here s trump, who loves to be promoted. he promotes himself, in fight after fight after fight, to keep his core together. and don king is a friend, supposedly, of donald trump s. but obviously, the tweet was incredibly personal, incredibly ugly, and he called him an ungrateful fool. and that s why i m worried that lavar ball will punch bag. okay, great. remember what p.t. barnum said, if you want a crowd, start a fight. trump does it every day, he starts a fight, and we pay attention to him, unfortunately. thank you, a.b. stoddard, happy thanksgiving and also to my friend, longtime buddy, jonathan capeha capehart. thank you, sir. up next, it certainly seems like president trump is fixated on his predecessor, barack obama. yesterday, we got a stark reminder of that. even at the turkey pardoning ceremony, trump was talking about erasing obama s legacy in that regard. you re watching hardball. statins lower cholesterol, but can also lower your body s natural coq10. qunol helps restore this heart-healthy nutrient with 3x better absorption. qunol has the #1 cardiologist recommended form of coq10 qunol, the better coq10. wthe phone line can be a lifeline to the outside world. i m sorry i just can t understand you. but for those with hearing loss. i m gonna hang up now. .it can be challenging to use. making it difficult to understand important information or emergency situations. the captioncall phone has a large, easy-to-read screen that quickly displays written captions of what your callers are saying. learn how to get a captioncall phone at no-cost, plus free captioning service and free installation. go to captioncall.com and enter the code below. why is there no charge? 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margaret? the turkey pardoning is a ceremony that allows you to riff a bit. however, the unifying theory, if there is one, of the trump administration, is to undo everything he can that obama has done. and so, he has to insert this into a pleasant holiday tradition, because he can t resist this impulse, this impulse drives everything. it s why we have, you know, an epa, we have scott pruitt, who s reversing everything that obama did, so that coal is becoming the official fuel of the united states of america. the agriculture reversing everything. it is what trump wants to do. and so it he he s standing there and it just flies into his mind. and when those cameras are rolling, lroll rolli rolling, he can t stop himself. howard, i m wondering if he s not being political here. could it be in his interests i watch politicians these days. they have to act like they have no friends on the other side of the aisle, because their friendship is for their contributors. they give their friendship to their contributors. so they have to like the friends they get money from and they have to hate the enemies of their contributors. so it s important for him to be seen as somebody that has nothing but contempt and hatred for obama, for his own political well-being. and i think it s sick, but i think it is going on in politics today. i think you re absolutely right. and at the risk of sounding like i m buttering up the host of the show, i think that s brilliant. i hadn t heard it expressed that way. there s no event too triviale not to be politicized, and politicized for the reason that you say. which is, we re on our side, they re on their side. we re going to see that playing out at thanksgiving dinners all over the country tomorrow. the democratic congressional campaign fund put out a bulletin for everybody about how to argue with your republican relatives tomorrow. that s the world that donald trump came into. it s the one he s exaggerating and accentuating. and by the way, that s the way he s going to play it down in alabama. franchesca, what do you make about this turkey, this turkey talking about turkeys? i mean, i m sorry, i shouldn t say that. but there s a turkey aspect to the president s behavior. who would talk about turkeys with such enthusiasm as political pawns? well, he was riffing, as margaret was saying. and i think that he thought that he was being funny, kind of making a funny joke about his predecessor. but, of course, for people who support those policies that barack obama put in place, that donald trump is now revoking, it s not as funny to say that. but one has to wonder if the white house was breathing a deep sigh of relief when he didn t bring up other potential pardon jokes that he could have made yesterday. there are some other folks that everyone is wondering, people that he could potentially pardon in his administration and i think there was definitely a sense of whether he would make some jokes either about that or about his other favorite person who s a democrat, hillary clinton, and i think there was a real question whether he would bring her up instead of barack obama and a potential pardon for her. well, back to my conversation with howard, i really do think he has to make it clear that he hates hillary. he has to make it clear all the time, because his people hate hillary. anyway, late-night comedian stephen colbert couldn t resist making his own political joke about trump s reference of revoking political pardons of tators and tot. because, if they could, i would eat tator and make tot watch. you re next, tot. mm-hmm. i m eating tator because he talked to mueller. franchesca, howard, and margaret, in that order, what do we make of the fact that it s hard to tell satire from reality. it s getting more tricky to discern the difference. i think the late-night comedians are having quite a ball, as you could see there, with this event. but, you know, i do want to point something else out. the other reason that president trump might have brought up president barack obama yesterday is looking back on the previous year s event, there was some speculation that president obama took a slap at donald trump in his final turkey pardoning. he mentioned one nation for everyone and how we should be a divided society and we need to move forward after this past election. and there was some questions about that. so i m also wondering if that was in president trump s mind, because he has a very long memory, as we know, and likes to talk about the election quite often. well, you couldn t be more opposite than what trump did in his pardoning, than what obama said and what trump said. he s got a whole chris, this guy has a whole castle full of bank woes ghosts. there are people who haunt him, and i think somewhat guiltily in his own mind, about his where he is and how he got there and who he ran over there to get there on the way. and he ll run back over barack obama every time he can and the same with hillary clinton. his mind is full of those people who challenge him. i ve never seen and i ve covered a lot of presidents, as have you. i ve never seen the mix of egotism and paranoia that this guy displays. . a and as you said, there s no event too trivial for him to bring that up. it s inescapable. every minute of the waking day for him. it could be in the middle of the night subway ride from somewhere dark, deep into queens, on his way to manhattan, and he s not quite there yet. anyway, the roundtable is sticking with us. up next, these impede people will give me some scoops, three of them, that you ll be talking about all weekend as you re eating your cold turkey on saturday. anyway, you re watching hardball. we create machines that make every experience more real. because the best feature of a pc gaming machine is the power to make you forget it s there. shop our lowest prices ever at dell.com. 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wbr id= wbr0 /> wbr id= wbr0 /> this evening, the rachel maddow show starts now. early for a change. i have something to spend this time doing. exactly. thanks, my friend, appreciate it. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. very happy to have you here tonight. who here is old enough to have ever used a typewriter? i took typing class and it was on a typewriter. i m that old. typewriters started off with a mechanism that looked like this. you pressed a button on a keyboard for a specific letter, but then a little arm, a little bar would swing up from the guts of the keyboard and smack that letter into the inked typewriter ribbon, and thereby pressed the imprint of that letter on to the paper, right? so that was the mechanism. each keystroke on the typewriter would cause a piece of metal to fling itself up toward the paper. a different little bar with a different letter on it for each keystroke. that was how they started out. but then in 1961, ibm changed all of that. ibm invented a whole new kind of /b> wbr-id= wbr600 /> electric typewriter, where instead of each letter, each number, each character having its own little type bar that would swing up and on to the paper every time you hit a keyboard a stroke on the keyboard. instead, selectric typewriters had this little ball, like a little kiwi or golf ball, they called it the font element and you could change out that ball for a different ball if you wanted to have a different font to type with. and the innovation here was that with the selectric, instead of a distinct and different piece of individual piece of metal, flinging itself up at the paper for every letter that you typed, now it was just this one piece of metal. this little ball that would rotate and pivot to position the appropriate letter or number or character in line with the ribbon to make its mark on the page. it was a big engineering advance in terms of the way typewriters worked. and it definitely changed typing. but it turns out it also changed spying. because starting in the 1970s, wbr-id= wbr1200 /> soviet union invented secret small technology that could be fitted inside an ibm selectric typewriter. and they disguised it really well, so the only way you could find this thing was by x-raying the typewriter and knowing what you were looking for. but what their spying device did inside of a selectric typewriter is that it could detect the movement of little arms and pushrods inside the selectric typewriter that pivoted and rotated that ball as you typed the letters and numbers that you wanted to put on the page. they put a device inside selectrss typewriters that could detect the change. if you were sensitive enough to detect the movements inside that little arms and pushrods that moved the selectric ball. and for eight solid years, for those eight years, everything typed on those 16 ibm selectric typewriters was beamed directly to the kg. and the only reason the u.s. figured it out in 1984 is because another country that had been bugged this same way by the kgb figured it out in one of their own facilities and since they were our ally, they tipped us off that maybe that we should check this. hey, you guys using selectric typewriters? particularly at your embassies and coonsulates in russia? you may want to get them x-rays and check for that particular sophisticated bug that the russians made up and we have found them using against us. so those compromised those 16 compromised ibm selectric typewriters, those were an intelligence disaster for the united states for eight solid years as they broadcast everything typed inside the embassy. but they were finally discovered in 1984. and when that got found out in 1984, that was the time when we were finding out a lot of other things that were very, very bad about our embassy and the russians spying on us and spying on that embassy around that time. one of the biggest scandals, one of the biggest failures ever on the part of the united states when it came to spying and russia started in 1969, when then president richard nixon came to hard-fought agreement with the soviet union. and the agreement was that the soviets would be allowed to build a new soviet embassy in washington. and we, simultaneously, would be allowed to build a new american embassy in moscow. that was agreed to after much negotiation in 1969. they weren t actually ready to start construction itself in moscow until a decade later in 1979. but if you think about that time in modern u.s. history, this was a very chilly part of the cold war, right? and by the time the u.s. was ready to start construction on our new embassy is no guo in 1979, the sure fact that that embassy would be a target of advanced russian spying operations was very much on american officials minds. it was very much in american news. i mean, this was this was a front and center concern about building a new embassy in moscow. not just because u.s. and russian spies were always targeting each other, but also because, right before we started construction, we had just discovered a major russian intelligence operation for them to spy on our existing facilities in moscow. this is a news report from 1978, the year before we started building the new embassy. part of the reason i want to show this is because it s relevant to this story, but part of the reason i want to show it is because of the amazing graphics in this news report. watch. the most recent soviet/american rift involves the discovery of yet another soviet listening device in the american embassy in moscow. events of this kind are not always made public, but this one, discovered on may 25th, was disclosed by american officials today. ford rowan has the details. the russian kgb agents operated out of an apartment building just across the street from the american embassy. they used a cable which ran from the listening post through a secret tunnel under the street into the embassy basement and up a ventilating shaft to the seventh floor. american personnel found surveillance equipment in the shaft, including a disc-shaped antenna-like device. during the search, the americans surprised a russian agent who fled from his listening post. so in 1969, nixon had agreed with the russians that they would get to build a new embassy here. and that we would get to build a new embassy there. and all through the 70s, we continued to discover the russians bugging our existing embassy in our kbloediplomatic facilities in russia, including them having a secret tunnel under the street into our embassy as late as 1978. but then in 1979, we started building our new embassy in moscow. and it s now clear in retrospect that in that decision, we made what is now quite obviously, in retrospect, an absolutely ridiculous error as a country. right? and this was a high-level negotiated thing. the highest levels of the administration were involved in negotiating this fact that the russians get to build their embassy and we get to build our embassy and it s simultaneous and there s a big team of high-level people negotiating the exact terms that the construction will be managed. this is something the government worked really hard on for a number of years. but somehow at the end of that progress, the u.s. agreed to a process that had a major flaw. see if you can figure out what it was. on the russia side of the equation, when they were building their embassy in ing, their part of the deal said that all building materials would be constructed on site. they had soviet officials on site overseeing every aspect of the construction, down to the level of every single beam, every single board. everything that went into that embassy was cut and cast and assembled at the building site under their own people s supervision. and just to be doubly safe, every component that went into building the rnks gembassy in washington, d.c. was x-rayed piece by piece as it was put together to make sure there was no funny business, no cia bugs for the russian embassy. nothing had been concerted into the construction materials somehow. that was the russian side of the deal. the american side of the deal was different. the american side of the deal, for our building in moscow, u.s. government negotiated that, yes, american workers and american officials would be responsible for all the finish work, like, the fine work inside the building, but when it came to the basic guts of the building, like the beams and the concrete and the pre-cast floor panels and all the columns, those would all be prefab manufactured in soviet facilities by soviet workers and then brought complete on to the construction site where the u.s. would watch, basically, while the russian workers assembled our new embassy for us in moscow. who made this deal? so, yeah, like, american workers got to put in the windows and the doors and stuff. but when it came to the actual building building, that was built by the russians for us. ah, that was very nice of them. they controlled the design, all the fundamental construction, building of that embassy in moscow started in 1979. by honestly, by 1979, by 80, by 82, the u.s. realize we had a serious problem on our hands with that building. the 7,000-pound pre-cast pieces of the building were arriving at the building site to be installed in the new embassy. they were arriving completely made. people who were in charge of making sure the embassy wasn t going to be spied on said from the very beginning, whoa, this is going to be a problem. the u.s. had security engineers reviewing the construction materials as best they could, but the russians were running the design and the construction process. by 1982, the u.s. government was so worried that we had secretly dispatched a specially trained team of bug detectors for the still under construction building. and i kid you not, they were trained rock climbers. they put dudes in rock climbing harnesses and special cold weather gear that had been supplied by eddie bauer and in the dead of night, in the dead of the moscow winter, with temperatures dipping to 40 degrees below zero, they had these guys, these specialists, repelling down the sides of the building under construction with specially made x-ray machines to try to find all the russian bugs. and boy, did they find a lot of russian bugs. new york times did a great recap in 1988 as to what had gone wrong with the case of the bugged embassy. quote, they discovered interconnecting systems so sophisticated they couldn t be removed from the steel and concrete columns, the beams, the pre-cast floor slabs, the sheer walls between the columns. they found electronic packages where a piece of steel reinforcement in the flooring should have been. they found resonating devices that allowed the russians to monitor electronic and verbal communications. one engineer who worked on the site from 1980 to 1982 said, quote, we found things that didn t belong there, based on the shop drawings. we found cables in the concrete. and it wasn t like some low-level hack job. it was very sophisticated. ron kessler from the washington post later wrote a book that touched on this subject, a book called moscow station. he explained in his book how some of the bugs the russians put in in the construction process were found in places where metal beams were welded together and they would make the bugs out of materials that had the same density as the metal in the joint, so even if you did x-ray that joint, you wouldn t detect them. so, the u.s. government negotiated for that building in 69, started build it in 79. by the early 80s, they d gotten rock climbers to be rebelling down the outside of the building in the dead of night saying, uh-uh, this place is intrinsically bugged. by 1985, they stopped working on it when it was two-thirds done and kicked all the russian workers out. and then the government appears to have had no idea what to do with their partially built, r n ruinously compromised kgb christmas present that the u.s. taxpayers had just funded to the tune of many millions of dollars right in the heart of moscow. and then on top of all of that, the kgb won again at the u.s. embassy, when for the first time in the history of the united states a u.s. marine was charged and convicted of espionage. kgb had sent young female officers to seduce and then blackmail u.s. marines who were providing security at the existing american embassy facilities in moscow while the new one was under construction. kgb knew it was illegal for the marines to fraeternize local russian women, so they did their best to get those marines to break that rule and then they squeezed them. they threatened to expose their wrongdoing unless these marines helped them out. so lots of young, attractive kgb officers got all sorts of access to u.s. embassy facilities. in the worst instance, the marine who was convicted of espionage and served nine years in prison, he apparently handed over blueprints for the embassy facilities. and then as thatoney trap scand public in 1987, the story also finally went public about the kgb embassy construction scam fiasco, and how russia was able to sew intrinsically compromise the basic building bones of our embassy. reporter: the new ambassador to moscow, jack matlock, arrived today. his first job, secure the embassy. the state department has asked the nation s top-secret national security agency to sweep the agency before secretary of state george schultz arrives in ten days. while marines allegedly compromised the current embassy, lack security was just as damaging next door at the new embassy now under construction. these officials believe the new offices are bugged top to bottom. they recommend the building be torn down and re-built from scratch. the cost, more than $1 billion. when the soviets built their new embassy complex in washington, they insisted all building materials be constructed on site. each beam and board was skr scrupulously x-rayed. but according to intelligence sources, american officials in moscow, were quote, outplayed from the start. soviet workmen pre-cast the concrete off-site without american supervision. workers on-site say security was a joke. the result, sophisticated listening devices embedded in foundations, floors, and walls. nbc nightly news ann gairls reporting in 1977. this is a big deal. the senate voted more than two to one that then secretary of state george schultz shouldn t go to moscow as long as our embassy couldn t be rendered safe for his visit. led to a big tit for tat fight with the rupssians where we bot expelled lots of people in both countries. and also led to a very frustrated and angry ronald reagan. i wanted to come in here to tell you that im deeply concerned over the breach of security in our embassy. the united states will not occupy our new embassy building in moscow unless and until i can be assured that it is safe to move into a secure embassy environment. mr. president, if the gorbachev changes his mind, will you then allow soviets to become re-employed at our embassy there? and how extensive is the problem in other soviet block embassy? we are investigating the whole area of embassies. so, listen, frank is going to take all of your questions, unfortunately, and i m not ducking you, i tried to answer a fe few. if mr. gorbachev changes his mind? i think we should have our own person. would you rehire soviet person to rework there. no, we should have our own personnel. president reagan left office after serving two full terms in january 1989, and in january 1989, as one of the last things he did as president, ronald reagan recommended that the entire u.s. embassy in moscow just be torn down, razed to the ground, start over. five years later in 1994, the u.s. sort of, partially, did that. some of the embassy was demolished and new top floors were installed. top floors. installed by u.s. workers, using u.s. materials, under u.s. supervision this time. so at least those top floors of the embassy could be made secure. however, they did just pop those top floors on the top of the old infected base of the building that we let the russians build for us. it was a ridiculous 25-year saga, that embassy. today, andrew higgins, moscow correspondent for the new york times reports on a new decision that has just been made about that embassy of ours in moscow, a decision made by the u.s. state department, under secretary of state rex tillerson. according to this new reporting, the u.s. state department has awarded a no-bid contract for security at the embassy, $2.8 billion contract. that curt contract has gone to, quote, a private russian company that grew out of a security business co-founded by vladimir putin s former kgb boss, a veteran spy, who spent 25 years planting agents in western security services. quote, security guards at the american embassy in moscow and at u.s. consulates in st. petersburg, yes cattierinburg and vladivostok will be provided by elite security holdings, a company closely linked to former top kgb. his name is victor budanov. he and vladimir putin worked closely together as kgb officers. he has been vocally support of president putin. he helped start the firm. it s now run by his son, dmitry. so, you know, what could g wrong? the firm that will now be screening visitors to the u.s. embassy in moscow, in other words, handling security matters at the u.s. embassy in moscow is a russian firm, linked not just to russian intelligence, but specifically to vladimir putin s former colleague in the kgb, who rose to run counterintelligence for the soviet union. and at this point in the story, i would usually make some joke about, hey, why not just hand them the keys? but literalliterally, they re g be running security at the embassy, so they are going to have the keys. again, a no-bid contract awarded by the state department under rex tillerson, first reported today in the new york times. why would you do that? president trump returns from his longest overseas trip tonight, even though it was a trip to asia. he still managed to squeeze in three meetings with russian president vladimir putin on this trip. despite the fact that the white house never confirmed in advance whether or not those meetings would happen, luckily for us, the kremlin and russian media was able to let us know that those meetings had happened, as our soonest notification as americans. after his meetings with putin, president trump found time to make extensive and uniformly supportive comments about putin and russia. i believe that he feels that he and russia did not meddle in the election. i believe that president putin really feels, and he feels strongly, that he did not meddle in our election. what he believes is what he believes. and, you know, people don t realize, russia has been very, very heavily sanctioned. they were sanctioned at a very high level. and that took place very recently. it s now time to get back to healing a world that is shattered and broken. really sounds like quintessential trump, right? it s the kind of thing you heard from trump every day. it s time to get back to healing the world. isn t that the way our president typically talks? the great healer. remember the art of the heal ? remember? the president s attitude toward the russian federation and russian president vladimir putin is unlike his evident relationship with anybody else. let alone the president of a country that is not just an active adversary, but a country that was aggressively involved in our domestic affairs last year, to the point where the previous administration kicked out tons of their diplomats, closed their diplomatic facilities in the united states, and made unprecedented declarations from the unified american intelligence community expressing alarm about what putin and russia had done. so in terms of what s going on there, between our president and putin, we still don t know. he behaves toward hum tim the we behaves towards no one else. in terms of the president s campaign, the investigations into the links between the russian attack on our election and president trump s campaign include now known contacts between the trump campaign and a russian lawyer and a russian lobbyist and a russian-linked academic and a russian who said she s putin s niece and a russian military intelligence veteran and a russian oligarch, and russian energy executives and also the russian deputy prime minister. and, of course, the russian ambassador. attorney general jeff sessions today upgraded his memory stick once again to declare to the house judiciary committee that despite his previous denials that he d had any information about any russian contact by members of the trump campaign, he now does recall that he may be had been aware about some of those contacts during the campaign. he insists that his evolving statements on these matters is all truthful. is all true. it s all innocent. he insists that he s consistently told the truth, even though his story has consistently changed. we don t know everything the trump campaign was doing with all of these russian contacts, while russia was interfering in the election to help trump win it. but after russia interfered to help trump win the election and then trump won the election, the trump administration has continued to behave toward russia in ways we don t have to speculate about. we don t have to wonder about. we can see it. i mean, look what they have just decided to do with security at the beleaguered u.s. embassy in moscow? look at how rex tillerson has decimated the u.s. state department. look at how the president has expressed how russia has really been very heavily sanctioned and now it s time to get back to healing the world. look at how secretary of state tillerson has closed the office at state department that administers sanctions. look at even the basic stuff about russia being able to announce the behavior and meetings of our president before we can. look at the president inviting russian officials and a guy with a bag of camera equipment into the oval office without ever telling the united states media that that was happening. so the russian press would break news of that first. s and and then once they were in there, he told them code word protected intelligence that had been gathered by one of our allies that he did not have permission to share. russian attacks on our election last year is an unprecedented thing. but time and time again, the behavior of the administration towards russia since they ve been in office is just previously unthinkable submission. whatever happened during the campaign, it really appears to not be over. it s not just what they did back then. it s what s happening right now. of thoughts and dreams that scatter you pull them all together and how, i can t explain oh yeah, well well well youuuu you make my dreams come true well, well, well youuuu topped steak & twisted potatoes at applebee s. eatin good in the neighborhood. whstuff happens. old shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. the republican foreign policy platform with mr. flynn at any point during the campaign? i don t recall it. in january, were you notified when the administration was notified of mr. flynn s lie and his susceptibility to russian blackmail? i don t believe so. did you at any point discuss with michael flynn the possibility of then candidate trump or his surrogates meeting with the russian government? i do not recall such a conversation. did you know that flynn was working for the turkish government while acting as a surrogate for the trump campaign? i don t believe i had information to that effect. did you know that he was working for the turk issue government at any point after the election? i don t believe so. california s zoe loftgren trying today to get attorney general jeff sessions to remember anything, anything at all, regarding trump national security adviser, michael flynn, from the time of the trump campaign, when jeff sessions was supposed to be in charge of national security issues on that campaign. given reports of the very serious legal jeopardy that mike flynn may now be in, given the recent indictment of the trump campaign chairman and his deputy, given the guilty plea and cooperation of a trump foreign policy adviser, whose role on the campaign, the attorney general, was reportedly overseeing, did today s testimony by attorney general jeff sessions shed light on whether he himself may be in legal jeopardy, either from the russia investigation, or from anything else that has grown out of it. what did we learn today? joining us now is matthew miller, he s the former chief spokesman for the justice department. mr. miller, thank you so much for joining us. really appreciate it. of course, thank you. i want to ask you first about mike flynn. i wanted to play that slot from that sound from zoe lofgren today, because i found it remarkable that sessions is essentially making it seem like he s never heard of mike flynn, he certainly didn t know anything salient about him. even once mike flynn was in office and everybody learned that he had been working for the turkish government, jeff sessions was pretending, at least to my mind, that he has no idea who he is. how serious is mike flynn s legal jeopardy right now, as far as what we know? and does it matter if people on the campaign pretend they didn t know? mike flynn s legal jeopardy has been great for a long time. and it s gotten bigger, just based on the reports that nbc has broken in the last week or so, where we ve learned that not only was he acting as an unregistered foreign agent for the turkish government, not only did he potentially lie on his security clearance forms and lies to the fbi about his conversations with the russian ambassador, but he may have been discussing ining receiving $15n in exchange for either a kidnapping scheme, by one telling of the story, or for helping facilitate the extradition of a turkish cleric who lives in the united states, who the turkish government has been trying to get for a long time. and it s really important with respect to the rest of the investigation, because the president s exposure and potentially the attorney general s exposure largely centers around obstruction of justice, at least as far as we know. and that all started with sally yates warning to the white house that mike flynn was somewhat of a national security risk and that caused, you know, the president to start a series of meetings with jim comey, asking for a loyalty pledge, asking him to back off the flynn investigation, that are really start central to all of this. so if the flynn on that point there, just to be clear. if the flynn underlying investigation, that james comey says he was being pressured about by the president, if the flynn underlying investigation was about not promptly registering under the foreign agent registration act, or if it were about something that s the kind of thing that s turned up in the manafort and gates indictment, something about bank fraud or tax evasion or something like that. would that be a different quality of obstruction of justice than if what flynn s investigation was about, was actually a violent felony like attempted kidnapping? you know, not necessarily. you can be convicted of obstruction of justice, even when there was no underlying crime that is ever charged by the department of justice. but when you look at this, with you know, you always are looking for the most compelling narrative you can tell a jury. that s what prosecutors will tell you. but in this case, when you re looking at a compelling narrative that would ultimately be subject to an impeachment proceedings, most legal experts agree that s where this would end as it relates to the president himself, it is a much more compelling theory if you can show that the reason that he was asking jim comey to back off on mike flynn was not just because flynn was a friend of his or that he thought flynn was a good guy, but that he knew that flynn had underlying legal jeopardy that would cause him serious problems, and even worse, if you could show that those serious problems extended into the administration itself. so if there were acts that mike flynn took while he was a national security adviser, for example, asking to speed up this extradition or asking to start this extradition while he was potentially takie ing $15 milli in bribes, that would make that story about donald trump obstructing justice much more compelling. matthew miller, former chief spokesman for the justice department. this was a marathon hearing today. thanks for helping us absorb it. much appreciated. thank you. we ve got a lot more to get to tonight. stay with us. that s the new man, huh? yup. getting kinda close to my ride. wow. now, 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that isn t a case for impeaching and removing a dangerous president, then what has our government become? i m tom steyer, and like you, i m a citizen who knows it s up to us to do something. it s why i m funding this effort to raise our voices together and demand that elected officials take a stand on impeachment. a republican congress once impeached a president for far less. yet today people in congress and his own administration know that this president is a clear and present danger who s mentally unstable and armed with nuclear weapons. and they do nothing. join us and tell your member of congress that they have a moral responsibility to stop doing what s political and start doing what s right. our country depends on it. brooks, a republican from alabama, has been in office since 2011. i have to show you his picture now. because in this next clip, congressman brooks is moving awfully fast and you may not recognize him. do you believe the women? click, click, click, click, click, click. hey, you re from alabama. can we talk about roy moore! sir, i have a question about roy moore. that s tom llamas of abc news tonight running after congressman mo brooks and doing so in dress shoes. and doing so very well, holding the handrail for safety. well done. judge moore has become an albatross around the neck of the republican party. he has put them in a tough spot. republicans do not want to look too friendly to him, given the allegations against him. they don t want to look too supportive, but they really would like to keep that alabama senate seat in republican control. and all the beltway hand-wringing and all the running from reporters down staircases might make it seem like there s no obvious and easy way out here for republicans. but you know what, there is totally a way that would totally work. they have done it before. and it worked way better for them than running away down the stairs. they could totally do something. hold that thought. we are the driven. the dedicated. the overachievers. we know our best investment is in ourselves. we don t take no for an answer. we fight for what we want. even for the things that were once a given. going to college. buying a home. and not being in debt for it for the rest of our lives. but we re only as strong as our community. who inspires and pushes us to go further than we could ever go alone. sofi. get there sooner. this was the front page of the washington post on november 22nd, 1992. so less than three weeks after the big presidential election that year. packwood accused of sexual advances, alleged behavior pattern counters image. four-term republican senator bob packwood of oregon had just been re-elected three weeks before. but then there was this bombshell scoop on the front page of the washington post, spelling out ten alleged incidents dating back to his first year as a united states senator. quote, in some cases, the women said the behavior took place when he d been drinking. several said he was abrupt, grabbing them without warning, kissing them forcefully and persisting until they made clear they were not interested or had pushed him away. eventually, 19 women in total came forward to accuse senator bob packwood of sexual misconduct. the senate ethics committee opened an investigation into him. they investigated bob packwood for 33 months, during which time the republicans regained control of the senate from democrats. even with republicans in charge, the committee refused senator packwood s repeated requests that he should be allowed to participate in public hearings on the matter. they said no to that. they proceeded on their own terms. and after that 33-month investigation, the senate ethics committee released a report. a ten-volume damning report on senator bob packwood. it was over 10,000 pages long. it weighed 40 pounds. for a while, it made for some nong-rated reporting on the nightly news. the committee released more than 10,000 documents, including embarrassing excerpts from packwood s diary. in them, the senator claims to have had sexual encounters with 22 members of his staff, some in his office, some described in explicit detail. he wrote, she has the most stunning figure, big breasts. needless to say, i did not stop myself. he also wrote that it was his christian duty to make love to one staffer. even more potentially troublesome, the committee laid out how diaries were altered by packwood, in what was deemed an illegal effort to cover up and obstruct the senate investigation. the matter was referred to the justice department for possible criminal charges. senator bob packwood had held out for 33 months. but after that 10,000-page report from the senate ethics committee, he quit. he quit that same day. senator bob packwood was done. he resigned before he could get officially expelled from the u.s. senate. he resigned in tears on the floor of the senate. and the person who forced that, the chair of that senate ethics committee, who went so far as recommending federal charges against his fellow republican, who whipped his committee to vote for an unanimous expulsion vote for bob packwood, who rolled out that 40-pound indictment against his fellow republican to make sure that senator bob packwood would resign, the chair of that ethics committee who played such hai r hardball on that issue, who made all of that happen was a republican senator from kentucky named mitch mcconnell. the committee has heard enough. the senate has heard enough. the public has heard enough. the evidence is compelling and it seems to me the appropriate response would be resignation. reporter: both senators specifically challenged packwood s claim that he was, at worst, guilty of over-eagerly kissing women. he used physical coercion against his victims, frightening them, and causing them severe emotional distress. reporter: mitch mcconnell, now the senate republican leader, he really did lead the charge against one of his own republican colleagues in the early 90s, ultimately making sure that senator bob packwood had no friends in the senate and had no rational choice but to resign, in tears. and as republicans deal with a not-quite-exact but weirdly similar situation on their hands now, now a republican candidate for senate, accused of sexual misconduct against teenagers, honestly, there s no one better suited in the united states senate to manage a crisis like this. to end a crisis like this, than mitch mcconnell. there is no one who has more apt experience for how you make a problem like this go away. calling for roy moore to drop out of the senate race in alabama is a thing. calling for alabama voters to reject him and vote for his opponent instead, that s a thing. but roy moore isn t just trying to win a random contest. he s trying to join something. he s trying to join the united states senate. and that body has considerable say over whether or not roy moore gets to do that. and yes, they could wait until after the election to start working then on expelling roy moore once he gets to washington, but the senate could also begin holding hearings on roy moore right now and his fitness as a potential united states senator. they could start taking care of this today, and mitch mcconnell absolutely knows how to do that. it s not like this is a dilemma with no way out. they could start this now. the model is there, it s their own history. they invented this model. they have done it before. great steve kornacki joins us next. stay with us. cd s, baseball cards. your old magic set? and this wrestling ticket. which you still owe me for. seriously? $25 i didn t even want to go. ahhh, your diary. mom says it is totally natural. $25 is nothing. abracadabra, bro. the bank of america mobile banking app. the fast, secure and simple way to send money. coaching means making tough choices. jim! you re in! but when you have high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin 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ended their work in alabama. and as of tonight, the rnc also is no longer part of the fundraising agreement that it struck with the roy moore campaign. sort of knew it would happen eventually. didn t know it would happen that fast. but now it s just the roy moore campaign and the alabama republican party fending for themselves. they think they ll win that senate race next month. and a lot of alabama observers think they are right. then what? joining us now is the great steve kornacki, national political correspondent for nbc news and msnbc. steve, great to see you. great to be here. i had john archibald from the birmingham news last night. he says even what the fifth accuser coming forward and describing her as very credible in alabama terms, he still thinks roy moore is going to win. what do you think? it s certainly possible. to put it in some perspective, you ve got to go back to 1996 to find a senate race in alabama that was even a single digit race you. have you to go back to 1992 to find a democrat who actually won a race there, and that was richard shelby who switched parties midway through the term. so that s the history they re up against here. on the other hand, it s possible he could still lose this race. roy moore last ran for office in alabama in 2012 for chief justice. on the same day mitt romney was on the ballot for president. mitt romney won alabama with 62% of the vote. roy moore got 51% in the race for chief justice. so even before all of this, he was an unusually polarizing figure in alabama. i know that was a statewide race, not for federal office. federal office could introduce more polarization into the race. it s certainly possible he could lose the race. if there is ever a circumstance where republicans could lose you re looking at it right now. but you can t look at this history and say roy moore is certain to lose this thing. it is possible he ll get elected. and what do you make of the washington machinations today what the republican party could or might do to basically rid themselves of him to keep him out of the senate or to expel him from the senate if he does win? if he does win, look, it s hard when you look at the statements that are being made right now about the intent to expel, and also the rationale for expulsion. the comments being made about roy moore s character, about roy moore s actions, these look like comments that will be very difficult to walk back from if you re a republican. so the republicans won t be able to change their mind? it s hard to see them saying eh, the people spoke. they ve already said look, there is an election, but we re not going the wait for the election to say this man is unfit to serve in the united states senate. so you then look at a scenario where, okay, if he does win and the republicans stick to this what they re saying right now about expulsion, they would seat him. the senate ethics committee would launch the investigation. you just went through what happened with packwood. and that s the threat that mcconnell, that s leverage that mcconnell, if he has any leverage with moore it s that. it s the threat of hey, you re going to have to go under oath. you re going to have to answer questions about this under oath. it s very different than a generic comment you re going to make to a reporter or something. you can t duck the ethics committee like a reporter. that s the leverage right now. if he gets elected, he gets seated, the ethics committee opens the investigation. they could then find grounds for expulsion. they could vote to expel. the seat would be vacated and we go right back to estimate process we just had. the governor would appoint somebody. a special election could be called. roy moore could run in the special election. well could be in circles here hi, could run again, right. could mcconnell delay his swearing in? no. the swearing in is not something the court rulings are clear on that. because there was a fight in the house about 50 years over adam clayton powell. and the court was emphatic that when it came to seating a member, if a member is elected, there is no choice. you to seat the member. when it comes to expulsion, if they do move to expel and moore warn to have had challenge in court, that could get having. this about actions that preceded his election to the u.s. senate there is some legal theorys on this that you can only expel for actions that actually occurred while somebody was in the senate or while somebody was in thousand. this is unexplored legal terrain. we haven t had an actual expulsion since 1862. certainly there is a difference right now it seems between seating and actual expulsion. if he does win and they do have to seat him, it s up to mitch mcconnell whether or not he has committee positions, how they handle the expulsion investigation or any proceedings there. and as we know, mitch mcconnell is good at that sort of thing when he wants to be. he is experienced too. steve kornacki 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tonight, the deadly school shooting. the gunman opening fire inside a high school. at least two dead, more than a dozen shot or injured. police and ambulances rushing to the scene. also tonight, the major headline in the russia investigation. robert mueller now reaching right into president trump s cabinet. interviewing attorney general jeff sessions. and tonight, abc news now confirming mueller wants to question the president on two key issues. the powerful 7.9 earthquake off alaska, launching a tsunami alert in alaska and along the west coast of the u.s. and what we have learned tonight about those plates shifting and how it might have made all the difference. you ll see it here tonight. the deadly flu. the 6-year-old girl dying after paramedics came to the home. she was not taken to the hospital. the warning from her parents to others tonight. and the major announcement
the president says when he fired comey, he had the russia investigation on his mind. when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made-up story. pierre thomas with us live tonight. and in the meantime, pierre, the president has claimed top fbi officials are biased against him. and tonight, we re learning of pressure on the new fbi director, christopher wray, to replace his own deputy? reporter: that s right, david. sources tell us that the attorney general has been urging director wray to remove his senior leadership, to basically clean house. but we re told director wray has been pushing back, saying the decision is his and his alone. david? pierre thomas with us here in new york. pierre, thank you. and as i mentioned, we have also learned tonight of two key issues robert mueller would like to ask president trump about. so, let s get right to our chief white house correspondent jonathan karl, who is here with us in new york tonight. and jon, what are you learning? reporter: well, we know that two of the issues that mueller wants to focus on are the firing of james comey and the firing of
michael flynn, but i ve got to tell you, david, there is no guarantee this interview will happen. in fact, i think this could become a big fight. i have spoken to people very close to the president who say that he should do everything he should everything possible to stop this interview from happening, that it could be a disaster, even though he told me back in june he would be 100% willing to do it. yes, we remember that. and in the meantime, you heard the president today saying about jeff sessions being interviewed by mueller, that he s not at all concerned, were his words. what are you learning from your sources inside the white house? reporter: well, the president s legal team feel like this is another sign that mueller is wrapping up his investigation, he s getting to the final phases, but this is also an indication that mueller is getting very close to the president, david. he is leaving no stone unturned. jon karl with us in new york. good to have you here for a change. in the meantime tonight, the government shutdown now over after three days, and costing the u.s. taxpayer millions. and a reminder tonight that this spending they agreed on only lasts about three weeks. then what? tonight, democrats are demanding action on the dreamers, and what
they ve now pulled from the table. here s abc s senior white house correspondent cecilia vega. reporter: after sitting out for much of the shutdown fight, today, president trump jumped back in the fray, but he would not promise that washington will actually reach a deal to save the dreamers by the looming deadline. he tweeted, nobody knows for sure that the republicans and democrats will be able to reach a deal on daca by february 8th, but everyone will be trying. could this white house envision a scenario in which these dreamers are deported? would that be something that the president is okay with? at this point, the president is willing to sign something to find a permanent solution. reporter: is the white house using these dreamers as a bargaining chip? is that the strategy? not at all. but you can t fix the problem if you just tinker with the immigration in a small way. reporter: just a few months ago, the president said the dreamers need not worry. should dreamers be worried? we love the dreamers, we love everybody.
thank you very much. reporter: today, the white house said a daca deal must include tough new restrictions on immigration and funding for border security, like the president s wall. but democrats say they already had a deal to fund his wall. they accuse the president of not holding up his end of the bargain, and today, they said their offer is rescinded. we re going to have to start on a new basis and the wall offer is off the table. cecilia vega with us live at the white house. and cecilia, we saw senator schumer after his lunch with the president, he thought there was progress, that s what he said, before the government shutdown. he thought progress on a daca deal, then the whole thing seemed to blow up. now even republicans say they are looking for clarity from the president? reporter: yeah, david, and they are not hiding it. today, louisiana senator john kennedy, a republican, said that the president has only given them a general outline for what he wants on daca, but quote, you can t do a bill based on a general outline.
that is what kennedy said. they want more specifics, david. as kennedy said today, who wants to pass a bill only to see it vetoed? cecilia vega from the white house again tonight. thanks, cecilia. next here, to the massive earthquake that woke up alaska, sparking tsunami alerts all along alaska, the pacific coast, the entire west coast of the u.s. in kodiak, alaska, people rushing to higher ground. you can see the traffic jam in the middle of the night. those tsunami fears stretched all the way to los angeles. and tonight, we show you how the earth shifted, how those plates moved that might have made all the difference. here s abc s kayna whitworth now. reporter: sirens waking the residents of kodiak, alaska, overnight. the entire west coast on alert. please evacuate immediately! reporter: inside homes, people recorded the shaking. oh, my gosh, it s an earthquake. reporter: and then scrambling to get to safety. we re leaving base now. reporter: with just five minutes to spare, many of kodiak s 6,000 residents rushing to a local high school. despite the quake s 7.9 magnitude, the seventh largest
ever recorded near alaska, scientists say it could have been worse. the plates slid past each other. this will cause less uplift on the sea floor and there is less chance of a tsunami. reporter: had the fault line slid vertically, like this, there would likely have been a large tsunami. the quake occurred on the so-called ring of fire, a 25,000-mile stretch of seismic activity underneath the pacific ocean, where 90% of all quakes happen. and so, let s get to kayna whitworth, also with us tonight. and kayna, i know there s still concern this evening because there have been dozens of aftershocks. reporter: david, the largest one was a 5.0. and while that tsunami warning was canceled early, authorities i spoke with say this is a good reminder to everyone that they should be prepared and know their evacuation route. david? all right, kayna whitworth with us. thanks, kayna. and here in the east tonight, the flood watches from pennsylvania all the way up to maine, amid blinding rain and those ice jams. here s abc s gio benitez. reporter: tonight, that powerful winter storm now bringing heavy downpours and
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taking part in any kind of sales of oil that would violate u.n. sanctions. the treasury department note d last month that there were north korea ben shipping companies that were attempting these ship to ship transfers likely of oil to evade u.n. sanctions, but the president is on vacation here in mar-a-lago. he was on the golf course when the tweet was sent. we ve reached out to a number of of his aides at national security counsel. was there something new that set off the president? some new piece of information he had confirmed? did he know there was a new transfer attempt and we got no response ch it s worth remembering that the president travel wg a very thin staff when he goes on vacations like this. so it s possible that even his own staffers don t knowd the pr to send this tweet today. all right, thank you very much. with me now, the author of nuclear showdown, north korea takes on the world, gordon chang. and cnn security analyst, bob. gordon, let me begin with you. the word fs from the president today in his tweet, partly, there will never be a friendly solution if china continues to carry this out. this is nothing new. china is a large reason why north korea s economy can function at all. responsible for 90% of the trade, but you re glad to see the president calling out china. what i wonder though is anything different in terms of action? in that video we saw from meet the press 18 years ago, he says we must act now. he s not acting yet. is he? no, he s not. what you had, this is like evokes the june 20 tweet where he expressed disappointment with xi of china. about five, six days after that, there were five actions the chinese didn t like, but they were light. they weren t real close. they were just sending signals to beijing. so president trump needs to do more than just send signals. if he doesn t, the chinese are going to say, this is all just empty talk. what would move china s hand? if he, if trump declared bankrupt china one of china s so-called big 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destruction. the only way out of this situation now if the chinese and the russians by the way do not clamp down completely and there is no falling apart of north korea, is regime decapitation. and but that s hunlly risky. it s a hail mary that could turn out very badly. so it basically, the president is totally frustrated with north korea, he promised to do something about it. and now he understands once he s seeing the sbintelligence and t reality, it s not going to be easy. let s listen to how the president has continued as president to call out china. time and time again. calling on china to cut off north korea. here are just a few examples. china can fix this problem easily. and quickly. and i am calling on china and your great president to hopefully work on it very hard. i called on every nation including china and russia to unite in is isolating the north korean regime, until it stops its dangerous provocation. so president trump is not the first u.s. president to call on china to do more. however, he does have an interesting sort of unique relationship with chinese president xi. friendly on many fronts. he s also said china s ra p ping this economy. so do you believe he could move china s hand more than his pred sessegn. seth: have been able to? there are a number of thipgs the u.s. can do to really put china in a very bad place with regard to its economy. a number of other things trump could do. but the question is, does he have the political will and so far, he s been trying to negotiate with the chinese. get their cooperation, but these satellite imaungs of ship to ship transfers are by themselves a violation of u.n. sanctions. even if nothing came across those pipelines. so right now, the chinese have been caught red handed and that puts trump in very difficult position because he s got to do something! but bo. but bob, explain to the american people what it is that china gains from aiding north korea. because it is important to note the interest of the united states and china are not completely aligned. when it comes to north korea. well i think it s a thorn in our side. don t forget that the chinese and russians have essentially equipped north korea to build this bomb. they didn t create all this. all these parts from you know, scratch. they ve been helping all along. 18 years ago, they could have done something about this. so they like it that we re in a bind. they are not our friends. they are our competitors. he s right about that. i do not know if a trade war is going to force their hand. i do not know whether the president of china is capable of caving into us on north korea. so openly and after a threat like this. i would be surprised. because that is, you know, it s the shame of that. and would politically undermine the chinese leadership. gordon, to be clear. china does not see it in its best interest necessarily. they don t want to see nuclear war break out of course, but also, they don t see it in their best interest to have a unified korean peninsula. bob is actually right. this is more than just a tlorn in our side. you know, every time that north korea does something provocative, we send a secretary of state to beijing, plead for ration cooperation. as one indian general said a few days ago, look, north korea is the claw. china is the cat. the chinese are enjoying this immen immensely. they shouldn t. in the long-term, china gets hurt more than any other country. in the short-term, the chinese are really, really enjoying this dynamic because they get a lot from us. gordon, thank you very much. bob, we appreciate it. outfront next, it is official. roy moore lost officially the alabama senate election. even with the results certified today, moore is refusing to give up. claiming voter fraud. also, rex tillerson at odds with his boss. the secretary of state calling out russia for election meddling going a lot further than president has. and new year to remember buried under snow and blankets. the 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who is a bit of a conspiracy theorist, who talks about the assassination of jfk and seth rich. they thought there was voter fraud, but this is something that the secretary of state in alabama has investigateded. we talked to him. there s more than 100 different cases that were complaints to him. they looked into them. at this point, they say they have found zero evidence of any voter fraud. some of the issues that were raised by roy moore with were talking about extra high voter turnout in counties that happen to be predominantly african-american and noting that seems unusual. they talked about people maybe being bussed in from out of state to vote at the polls in alabama. the secretary of state says they investigated that, found zero truth to that at this point. you know, it was something that as they went through here, they got through this lawsuit, it was put down by the court. a part in there that seems quite strange to me, to supporters even, was the inclusion of roy moore claiming that after the election, he chose to take a polygraph exam and said he passed it when it came to those allegations against him. about going out with teenagers when he was a da in his early 30s. and the women who said that he either molested or sexually assaulted them. he said he passed a polygraph test after the election, but it was a roy moore affidavit. wasn t from the polygraph admin strart. so that was something else included there. doug jones should be sworn in by mike pence on january 3rd. thank you. with me now, former federal election commission general counsel, larry noble. knows a thing or two about how these things work. chris cillizza and michelle holmes. it s nice to have you all here. larry, let me begin with you. as former general counsel. at this point, a junl l. alana: judge has dropped this down. said there s just nothing here that shows a shred of voter fraud at this point. what options are left, if any, for moore? in a normal situation, you would say there are no options left. that he s gone beyond grasping at straws and air. but in theory, he can try to bring this before the senate. the senate has the ability to rule on questions of election fraud. i think that would be the republican s nightmare. they ve gone from first say iin they wouldn t support him. many said they would and now if he brought this before them, what are they going to do? i think he s out of options. he has to accept the fact he lost. i don t expect him to concede. but it s over. now if he does try to pursue this in court, he could be subject to sanctions for this case. you know there s a comes a point that you just have to say it s over and you know, in one way, his statement today may have been a sign that you know, he s saying i fought as best i could. that he s not going to take it further, but with roy moore, you don t know. that would not be out of the roy moore playbook to just let it go. chris cillizza, you just wrote a column on this and i know you saw the interview dana did with janet porter. here s more of her claiming this widespread voter fraud. i think the president is also concerned about vote r fraud. he s brought it up in his own election and i think if he were to read through the 84 pages of evidence from independent experts and the best in the country by the way, who say one county, 20 precincts in one county, jefferson, is enough to overturn this election. dive into those so-called eck perts, will you? this is someone, one of their experts, the best in the country is someone who s regularly trafficked, excuse me, about conspiracy theorys. including the seth rich dnc case. this is a young democratic national committee staffer who was murdered. some theorists on the right suggest he was somehow involved in the russia e-mails and the hacking. this is not the best and brightest that roy moore is citing. the simple fact here is that roy moore doesn t concede races. he did in 2006 when he got about a third of the vote in the primary. he did it in 2010 when he came in fourth. it s not a campaign. it is a crusade for roy moore. this is not about a win or a loss. this is about a long sort of arc of what he believes to be a righteous quest. you saw it. this is again, put aside the allegations against him. remember this is someone who has been elected and removed twice as the chief justice of the alabama state supreme court prior to the senate race. this is who he is. this is what he does. chris, it s something really important here, too, about the fact his team is choosing to call out jefferson county u. right. well it s heavily african-american. and look, i think that you can play that janet porter interview. people should, i m with you, urge people to watch it, but here s what you need to know. the republican governor, the republican secretary of state and the republican attorney general, those are the three people you see sitting at that table today who certified the election. this is not some sort of grand conspiracy. by the way, the republican secretary of state was clear he supported roy moore s campaign. and voted for him. so this is not a conspiracy. this is a small group of people insisting that the facts, not that we know, the facts that exist, are not the facts. which is their right. but you don t have to believe it. and the republican president who you know, who campaigned for him in final days. or steve bannon, the republican former chief strategist who put a lot on this race. not saying anything about it and the silence is sort of deafening tonight. michelle, what about the people of alabama? roy moore says this is about them. the people of alabama. that he stands for the truth and for god and the constitution. what do they want to see happen? the people of alabama want to same thing that the people of across america want. which is access to free and fair elections. which is access to having their voices heard at the polls. the people of alabama spoke. we want to move forward. we want to move into the future. the people of alabama are tired. it s like we ve moved into some sort of third rate circus where we re being held here with no food, no water, just roy moore and his spokes people making a mockery. the people of alabama spoke at the polls. it s a little through the looking glass at this point. by the way, can i just make a quick point. this is not a race that was decided by 500 votes. 21,000. this is a 22, roughly 22,000 vote-vo margin. that s not that much, true, but for him to win, 22,001 votes for roy moore that have been discounted and zero votes for doug jones. these things don t happen. larry, let me ask you about the polygraph test. none of the results are in there, nor is the name of the person who conducted it nor could the spokeswoman name anyone in the room with roy moore when he says he took it. what do you make of it? it s useless. you re right. it s an affidavit from him saying he took the polygraph. doesn t name the person who administered the polygrappolygr. also it s interesting that he says it showed he did not know, he named three women who he s accused of sexually molesting. doesn t address the other six. so we have no idea of what went on, even if it was a polygraph test. as evidence in a case, if you can call this evidence, it s meaningless. and but i think it s aimed at his supporters. it s a last ditch way for him to say to them, oh, i took the test and you know, i was found that i didn t molest anybody, but i don t think it has any weight at all. michelle, final thought? final thoughts is doug jones will be sworn in as the senator from alabama. that s the voice of the people of alabama. and doug jones will represent those who voted for him and all of the people of alabama. it s time to end this charade. thank you all very much. have a good evening. outfront next, the kremlin using one of president trump s favorite phrases. why russia is calling secretary of state rex tillerson fake news. and 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election meddling, that s something that the intelligence community and every member of the president s cabinet has acknowledged to place, okay? it s understandable the president you know, for his own supporters, doesn t want to acknowledge that and say that he believes that that happened because i think for him, that goes to the heart of his own legitimacy and raises questions about whether he was legitima legitimately elected and nobody said he wasn t. they just said russia meddled in the campaign. not that they were able to affect the outcome. so for president trump and all of his talk about president putin and his rhetoric about the election, if you look at the policies of his administration, they re actually quite tough on russia. just in the last few weeks, the president, his administration, listed a lot of prominent russians for sanctions list for actions against ukraine and last week, president trump just approved for the first time the sale of lethal arms to ukrainian military. so it seems to me that there s a total disconnect between the president s rhetoric and not only the rhetoric of his administration, but his own policies. yeah, the national security strategy policy laid out on paper last week. good point. thank you very much. outfront now, democratic congresswoman of california, jackie speier. she s been busy these days with that job and the rest of her work. thank you, congresswoman, for being here. i appreciate it. let s begin with president trump s secretary of state calling out russia in this opinion piece in the new york times saying the u.s. and russia have this poor relationship. then at the same time, you have russia firing back saying that s fake news. who do you agree with? it s very typical of the russian playbook, which is all about denying when they ve got their hands in the cookie jar. this was a serious offense that was committed by the russians. 17 intelligence agencies confirmed that russia had meddled. actually like using the word meddle because it sounds like it s just on the fringes. they were actively involved, using active measures to undermine the election. so you agree with the secretary of state. i do. so earlier today, i spoke with republican deputy majority whip, tom cole on my show this morning. he said it is nothing new that russia would meddle in the u.s. election or other elections, try to interfere. listen to him. if we think the russians haven t tried to influence american elections in the past, we re nay eve and frankly, we think we don t try to influence transfers of powers in other country, we re nay eve. did it have much impact? i don t think so. wait. hold on. it seems like you re saying this is par for the course. this is okay. is that what you re saying? i didn t say it s okay. it is par for the course. does he have a point? congresswoman? do you think he has a point? i m sorry. well, actually, he has a point to a certain extent. i mean there have been instances when the united states has been engaged in the elections of other countries. i certainly object to that. but what happened in 2016 that was so different was that the active measures used by the russians were so dill tor yous. they actually got into the voting records in 21 states and it s not clear even today whether or not they were able to tamper with the actual voter machines. even though the intelligence agency said they have no evidence to suggest they had. but this was a comprehensive campaign. they got on to social media. they were using rt. they were hacking into the dnc and into various other outlets and then they were using wikileaks to do the dump of all of these e-mails that had been stolen for all intents and purposes. this was unlike any kind of active measures that have been used before. and it really behooves us to recognize that russia hasn t gone away. they are still here. they will do what they can in 2018 and in 2020 as well. as you know, that washington post editorial earlier this week from you know, the former acting cia director and former republican chair of the house sbinsbel committee, saying russ has done this and continues to do this. a grave warning from them on that. let s talk about the mueller investigation. the special counsel ve investigation into russia. and the trump administration. i want to dig into something you said just a few weeks ago. here it is. the rumor on the hill when i left yesterday was that the president was going to make a significant speech at the end of next week and on december 22nd, when we are out of d.c., he was going to fire robert mueller. okay, that didn t happen. it is well past december 22nd. do you regret at all sort of further spreading that rumor that was unfounded? at least so far? i first identified it as a rumor and i but you talked about it. i think it s very important to tamp down any kind of activity that may be going on behind the scenes. and if it has a prof lactic effect, then we have done our work. it s my job as a member of congress to call out what i see things that are dangerous to our constitution. dangerous to our country and our democracy. so i don t regret it at all. but you told me earlier this year when we were interview iin in march, you said that it was at the time, that the president, president trump acted reckless ly in your words for spreading the unfounded allegation at the time that president obama had ordered his phones wiretapped. you said that was reckless because it was unfounded. then you came on television two weeks ago and said well the rumor is that the president s going to fire bob b mueller on the 22nd of december. didn t happen. aren t they analogous? no, they re not. because i said the it was a rumor. he didn t say it was a rumor. he said it was fact that president obama had actually eves dropped on him in trump tower. that s a huge, that s a very different kind of scenario. wone was sending up a red flag, putting out a warning. the other, his statement, was basically that president obama had done something that in fact, he had not done. do you still have concerns, real concerns, that the president will try to oust robert mueller? i do have concerns that he will try to do that. look what he did with director comby. look how he s maligning the assistant fbi director. look how he s now turning to malign michael flynn when he was you know, praising him just a few months ago. he hasn t said anything to malign michael flynn. in fact, he hasn t denied when people ask if he might pardon flynn. what are you talking about? what s being said now is that in the white house that they are starting to set a scenario up so that in fact, if he does speak more to mueller or to others, that they will you know, put on their campaign against michael flynn. just to be clear for our viewers, the washington post reporting that we have not confirmed or verified. i m sorry, i didn t hear. i was just saying that s washington post reporting that we have not confirmed or verified. congresswoman, we will leave it there and have you back. thank you very much. thank you. so outfront next, 100 days without power for some americans following hurricane maria. cnn is there when the electricity finally comes back on. for one town in puerto rico today, you ll see that live. also, 17 million americans shivering in bitter cold temperatures. the president just weighing in. tweeting we could use a little global warming. seriously. that s next. video-game dance music ida is one of the lucky few who just got power. water. she s able to take a hot shower. that s what she s excited about. a hot shower. in southeastern puerto rico now has a massive generator to power its substation. it s enough to power part of the town. not a permanent solution. not enough to turn the lights back on for all 38,000 people. it s always been known for its agriculture. now, it s known for that area. where hurricane maria came in with 155 mile per hour winds, knocking out electricity immediately. the mayor says he doesn t know when power will be restored, so he believes they were the first to deal with maria and they could be the last. the mayor was born and raised in these mountains near the coast. he kaus calls maria a monostore destroyed them. he s saying the urban area could get power very soon. but this area. the mountainous area. he says it could be summer before they see it. which take note, summer is when the hurricane season begins. miles away from town, high up in the mountains where the powerlines are harder to fix, cheryl has little hope her home will be back to normal soon. maria rushed in through the windows and doors and it ruined more than furniture. it ruined her life. for now, new poiaint is all she can afford to fix any of it. she has no idea when she s gel power back. i m asking her if she thinks it will be soon. no. without power, cheryl and her children lost more than the lights. without power, they don t have water. she says the problem, constant bureaucratic delays. for a month, they had power workers here, but not enough materials to actually carry out their work. he calls this a start. he says they need more generators, power pulls, cables. the u.s. army korms of corps ofs admits a shortage of simply is part of the reason it took so long to get power back to people like ida. back in town, ida will spend tonight in a home overjoyed. power the is the best christmas gift they could ask for, but for the families up in the mountains, the sun sets on another night. as they wait for their gift to arrive. and she joins me now. the look on those children s faces, the children of the families in the mountains, they re still waiting and we can obviously see behind you where you are now. in san juan. there s light, but for families like that one in the mountain, how long have they been without power? that family in particular has been without power since before hurricane irma. so do the count. that s 114 days they have not had power. that generator that is in town is powering a very small percentage. we understand today the hospital as well received power, but here s another number to throw out at you. that is 69. 69% generation is what the government here is reporting, but you heard me say this before. 69% generation does not equal distribution. so the government right now still not giving a good idea as to how many people in puerto rico actually have power tonight. you ve been on top of this story, outfront on it since the beginning. thank you for the reporting. so glad for those families that do have the power back after three long months. we mecappreciate it. next, parts of the u.s. locked in a deep freeze. the term cold front is not really cutting it these days. as the president takes to twitter tonight tweeting about the arctic blast, while mocking climate change. and jeanne moos on trump, water and rubio s revenge. it s your last chance of the year to get our best offer of the year: zero 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country. meteorologist in the weather center. international falls, minnesota, my home state breaking records. 36 below or something crazy like that. and other states are going to be breaking record lows. minus nine in boston and will be colder waking up. feels like minus 19. minus eight on saturday. chicago on sunday is even colder, minus 16. a second wave arriving into the weekend that extends as far south as texas and georgia. here s the thing, this is why it s dangerous when we talk about incredibly cold temperatures. naturally your body has a little bit of heat that surrounds your body. adding wind to this, talking about in over a dozen states, takes away that excess layer on the outside, making it difficult for you to understand how cold your body actually is. poppy, the concern here is for a lot of areas frostbite could set in 15 to 20 minutes of being outside. we ll have to be careful. chris, we couldn t let you go home. the president has called climate change a hoax before but tonight making light of extreme temperatures and nonsensical argument about it. you re right poppy. i shoveled my parents driveway in connecticut and it s freezing, i can confirm. what trump is doing is conflating weather with climate. weather is the weather. it is cold, it s going to be cold for a lot of the country the next week or so. climate is the long view, it s not next week or next month, it s long view. this is again going to be warmest year on record. whether he s doing that purposefully or he doesn t know the difference, i can t say. but this logic led oklahoma senator in 2015, a skeptic or denier, to bring a snowball into the senate floor late february as evidence that it s so cold, there are snowballs, therefore global warming or climate change isn t real. that s like saying it was really hot this past summer, therefore climate change is real. that s weather. climate is much longer term and more accurate frankly reflection of the science here. thanks for the facts chris. 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destabilizing to put it mildly. when asked if that was confirmation there was a bit of name-calling. finally ben rhodes weighed in accusing the new york times of prop gating garbage. finally we should note the kuwait newspaper is reporting the u.s. has now given israel the green light to assassinate general soleimani. the white house has not commented. martha? martha: trace, thank you very much. so marc thiessen who you see often on the story got in the middle of this buzz saw when he chimed in on it today is he an american enterprise scholar and former speech writer for president george w. bush. is he also a fox news contributor. mark, why did this insight you? you know, why did this make you want to dive into the middle of this and give your own opinion? well, just because this just shows the blythe attitude of the obama administration had towards terrorism. i mean, this is the same guy who went on bret baier s show and said dude, that was like three years ago. martha: since you mentioned it. let s show that because i don t think a lot of people
piercing bombs that killed thousands, injured thousands of american soldiers including sergeant bennett who is going to be on shortly. this is a guy he blue u blew upa jewish cultural center in argentine that. this is the guy going to assassinate the saudi ambassador by blowing him up in washington, d.c. a an attack that could have killed hundreds of americans. this isn t a political leader, is he a terrorist. he has more american blood on his hands than probably any terrorist than zawahiri and al guide. getting rid of him wouldn t have been desphable blizzing as vietor said it would have made the world a better place. martha: when you see the chants of death to america in the streets of tehran and other cities in iran, this is the man who carries that out. absolutely. absolutely. and the quds force that he runs, these people were behind the co-bar towers bombing in 1996 that killed a bunch of americans in saudi arabia. they were the ones who martha: good to see you. good to see you. march mars as marc pointed out the terror of soleimani and quds force was a reality to troops on the ground in iraq. it is believed as many as 1/3 of our casualties were a result of iranian bombs and weaponry thrust into the iraq conflict in order to kill an injure as many u.s. military members as possible. that s why the suggestion that the u.s. would do anything to aid them is gut-wrenching. my next guest is an iraq war veteran who in 2005 was severely injured outside baghdad by efp which is signature iranian explosive and now robert bartlett is an advisor to the group called united against iran. a former state department under president obama who helped implement the iran nuclear agreement. welcome to both of you. it s great to have both of you here tonight. we are sort of going back in history, looking at what was going on then and what enabled this group to continue to grow and
continue to carry out their terrorism and attack our own military on the ground. sergeant bartlett, when you listen to this back and forth, what goes through your mind? total betrayal of everybody who has served for this country and the country itself and its people. soleimani, that s all he wants to do is kill americans, kill israelis. so for us to give any kind of enablement to that country and that current regime is just treason. i got no other word. i hate to use it but i can t see it any other way. it s treason. if i did anything relatively close to that i would be held for treason and i would be in leavenworth. martha: you worked on the iranian nuclear agreement. when you listen to this discussion, does any of it ring true for you? no, not at all. you know, tomorrow vietor is a very smart guy but also a very funny guy. i thought his tweet was very
funny. how do you respond to something this outrageous? of course the obama administration did not aid iranian officials and pass israeli intelligence. you know, i think marc put it well, the only known instance of a u.s. government official ever burning israeli intelligence was when donald trump passed israeli intelligence about a covert anti-isis operation to the russians. i mean, this. martha: let me ask you this in terms of any potential plot to take out sulemany, which the israeli papers are now reporting is the policy, that that would be allowed, that the united states would not stand in the way of that if the israeli forces were able to pull that off, would you be in favor of that policy? absolutely. soleimani is an absolute threat to the united states. that is part of why under the obama administration there was real effort to impose intense sanctions on him and to do. billions of dollars. billions of dollars going to him? come on. billions of dollars and you are saying you increased the sanctions? are you kidding me? the iran nuclear deal. you have got to be kidding me. i would say if you look at the recent protests, one of the things they show is that the obama administration actually negotiated a much better nuclear agreement than its critics argue. right? if you look at the iranian regime, it is weak and brittle, not empowered as its critics said it would be. if you look at the iranian regime in the region it is overextended not flush with cash. martha: also supported the assad regime, supported their attack on their own people in many cases, and also reportedly continues to support the regime in north carolina. snorth korea. they do have billions of dollars they are not funneling it to their own people in the form of economic growth. the thing they are upset about is they are funneling it to these other terrorist organizations in other countries. that s exactly right. one of the things critics allege about the nuclear deal is it was going to give
them more money to do these things. there is no doubt that the iranian government is mucking around in the region doing terrible things, threat to the united states. they are bad actors, burr the nuclear agreement never gave them the kind of wealth that people were worried about. they were never flush with cash to extend their operations in the region. one of the things that we have seen is they are overextended and their population is angry about that. martha: sergeant bartlett, do you agree? no. i totally disagree. i think the iran nuclear deal was a set up so they could push the billions over in the middle of the night in cash. there is no trace where that cash can go because you can t trace it and different currencies it was. in they can actually use it and buy nuclear weapon directly from north korea, super charge their nuclear program so both countries who hate the u.s. would have the weapon and then in 30 days iran will have a nuclear bomb. and they would be trained force to use it. it takes 30 days. that s a nuclear 50 s cyst who gave me that information.
ridiculous. absolutely ridiculous to say it didn t pave the way. martha: jay, in terms of the cassandra project the department of justice has just begun a project to look into that, to figure out what happened there and to continue to do what we can to end the activities of the drug running and drug business that fueled so much terrorism in the middle east. was there ever any effort from what you saw to say in any shape or form during the per pettation ever the iran nuclear deal, you know, we need to have separation between these two things. we know they are guilty of massive terrorist activities across the middle east, but we want separation in terms of hammering out this deal. absolutely not. i mean, again, i go back to the point if you look at the recent protests, i understand the point being made, but if you look at the recent protests, what is clear is that the iranian government is not flush with cash. they don t have lots of money. the nuclear agreement was not you know, if we take a step back, the real allegation here is that the obama administration was coddling the iran regime. there is just no evidence
that s true. in fact, the protests show that the nuclear agreement was a hard-nosed agreement. i never sat in a single meeting in the white house situation room with secretary kerry, with anyone where anyone ever tried to mention the nuclear agreement and those negotiations as being a reason why we weren t going to be just as tough on the iran regime. martha: i m going to give you the final word, sergeant bartlett, because you lost a lot thanks to an iranian eud. it s not just me who lost a lot. my buddy next to me was killed instantly and i have got to do this for him. is he not here. he is not with his daughters anymore. if i m not standing up and giving him a voice then who is, right? you can t say that the obama administration was friends with israel and do what they did with iran nuclear deal and then say hey, you know what? we re not really cozying up to iran but we are going to give them billions of dollars in the middle of the night because we think oh they are going to win some court case. it s a load. it s a total load and the people of the united states
know it. and the reality is people got caught. it just happened a little earlier this time. i m just glad that the truth came out. martha: we re going to stay on it and there are a number of forces that are working these stories and will continue to see where they go. thank you very much. sergeant bartlett always a pleasure. appreciate you. martha: you bet. things got pretty heated in washington today in the ongoing fight over immigration and late tonight what the president said about certain countries has ignited a major firestorm. he wasn t the only one to stir the pot. [inaudible] open a hamburger stand next or what? martha: congressman sean duffy and juan williams react to both controversies and where we are going from here right after this on the story.
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be focused on bringing in nor immigrants from norway front of mind because remember he was holding meetings with that country s prime minister yesterday. no surprise this is a president who speaks his mind bluntly, especially on an issue that animated his presidential campaign. white house spokesman rob shaw did not deny the comments. instead saying the president wants a merit based system and, quote, certain politicians choose to fight for foreign countries but president trump will always fight for the american people. the comments today came at a meeting that include two key senators on the matter. democrat dick durbin and republican lindsey graham working on a deal that would include ending the visa lottery program and taking some of those 50,000 visas to people from places like haiti living in america under what is known as temporary protected status. other problems may spike this proposed daca deal anyway. it gives protected staws to the so-called dreamers to satisfy moderates like senator jeff flake. conservatives point outs this is a no go without funding for an actual wall instead of a small payment
of general border security. watch. we have an agreement that the bipartisan group, i m talking about, the six of us working, that we re shopping among our colleagues now that we don t want to release details until we talk to more of our colleagues. they have got to come off their unreasonable view that it s daca or nothing. it s not happening. we have got to secure our border. we have got to end chain migration, visa lottery and have these other fixes in place. we should note house democratic leader nancy pelosi made comments of her own today on immigration lashing out at the fact in her words the talks are led by five white guys which sounds like the five guys fast food chain. watch. the five white guys i call them, you know. [laughter] are you going to open a hamburger stand next or what? well, one of those white guys is pelosi number two congressman steny hoyer a democrat who rebuked her for what he called an offensive comment a sign this already
volatile debate is already getting more inflamed, martha. martha: here now is sean duffy and co-host of the five juan williams he is also a fox news political analyst. gentlemen, welcome. the president took a few stepping forward in all of this the other day with the meeting that he had. perhaps it would be wise to keep a camera in there all the time. maybe that would keep the language sort of on track. but this is not helpful. this is not helpful at all. it s a distraction. i have got to tell you it s not going to distract us from the mission that we actually want to get a solution for the daca kids who want a secure border. we want to end chain migration and end the lottery system. we do think there is a deal here. but you heard this conversation is taking place with the self-appointed group of republicans and democrats. i would argue that the information i have heard from the deal, that s not going to get through a republican senate or republican house. this is a crappy deal that i don t think anyone will buy into. it doesn t accomplish the goals that the president ran on. martha: let me ask you this, what do you think the president mental with that comment and how do you think he should have put it if he
was trying to express that, i don t know. i can t put myself in the president s head. it s an unfortunate comment. it s i can t defend it. i don t think anybody can i don t know where he wanted to go with it. so, i don t know, martha. i don t have good insight. it s a hard spot to sit tonight to defend or analyze what he is trying to make. i don t like it. i was trying to understand what politicians are trying to do. at best you can say he was trying to talk about the diversity of the lottery, which is, you know, part of his objection right now is that we have a lottery that specifically targets people from countries that aren t equally represented in terms of the immigrant flow coming into the united states and he is saying oh, we don t need that but his language as the congressman said, i think is deeply offensive. remember, donald trump s family came from a place that once would have been described in those terms by the elites at that time. and then secondly there is
the racial angle because then he says maybe we need more people from norway. i don t think there is any getting away from the color of people from norway as opposed to people coming from haiti, africa or el salvador. martha: i m not making any excuses for him but he has said in the past we want to bring in people with killskills for the jobs we need here. we have a lot of low skills. getting jobs for them is a priority. many countries do at times restrict immigration from certain areas because they want to change the flow of where people are coming from. right? you know, that s what i was sort of asking you. i mean, you know, is there a legitimate argument to be made for saying we need to cut off immigration from certain countries and we need tone courage it from others. that is not a racial question but a question of skill set. then it s not by country. it s give us your best and brightest. hardest working people. i don t care where you came from. martha: he said that in the past. but that s exactly. he didn t say that tonight and i think it leaves a lot of room for speculation and claims of racism and it doesn t advance the cause of our mission to secure the border. so, yeah. he didn t talk about qualified people here. he said blank countries in a way that i think suggests anybody coming from such a country is not that s not i don t think that s what he should be saying. let me just say that. that s not what i expect from the american president. we are a country that takes people who have been oppressed. people who have suffered natural disasters and we turn them into americans who produce great things. martha: but that s what this argument is all about. everyone agrees with that sentiment but they have to come in legally. that s fine. that s not what he said, martha. martha: clearly, it was not. conversation on the five of us watching earlier donald trump speaks like he might be sitting in a wisconsin bar. he doesn t use always the most refined language and sometimes is he speaking freely and maybe off the cuff and language that can be misinterpreted.
the problem is when that language gets leaked out he looks horrible. have you got to ask who is sitting in the room with you and what language are you using. martha: i think that was an offensive comment as well five white guys why do we have to make these kind of judgments what difference would it make. of course it makes a difference. martha: don t you want the best people whoever they are regardless of color to be talking about this issue. sure, you have to understanding there was nobody in there of any hispanic origin tied in any way to people. martha: so they can t have any sensitivity? of course they can. and i think that s why they, the four guys, then said you know we would like senator menendez of new jersey to come into the group because they want some perspective that s not simply a group of white men. remember there was a joke about the five guys. this isn t broken down racial lines this is ideological lines. have you hard core fight with five white guys or six white guys. martha: situation with yesterday. the language is different. he has expressed that
sentiment many times. i don t know why have you to be of a certain color or background to understand the situation. it would be helpful to have somebody that is sensitive to the way language is recent especially for people recent immigrants and hispanics the ones we are talking about here. i think the congressman s point is well taken, too. there are lots of white guys i m thinking ann coulter, marmark levin on the strong conservative side who have objections to this. it s not what race and sex you are i care you are an american. exactly. we agree on that. martha: great to have you tonight. this is from karl rove s op-ed in the wall street journal. quote: long before the presidential election the populist candidate s mental state was under attack. the new york times ran a series over several days suggesting he was unfit for office. an anonymous psychiatrist diagnosed megalomania. what if we told it you was written 100 years ago? karl rove joins us with the answer next.
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president george w. bush fox news contributor and dr. hanson about a piece he wrote. gentlemen, welcome. it is great to have both of you with us tonight. karl, let me start with you we teased that intro to your piece today which reminds us there has been this debate over presidents and presidential candidates very much in the past. yeah. 121 years ago in a closing days of the frantic 1896 campaign, the new york times a three story four day series on william jennings brian that said he was insane. they used the term of the time for insane matoid and they quoted anonymous sources and others on the record all diagnosing the candidate from a distance. he was delusional, megalomanimegalomaniac, demagogt fit toy serve as leader of the united states. virtually every modern president has had some tell
all expose book written generally early in their term, single sourced, anonymous gossipy quote sensationalism. you may remember one that was published shortly after george w. bush became president called bush s brain which suggested that he was an idiot and i was the guy who had the brain. they forgot that president bush was a yale history major and a harvard mba. he responded to it not by tweeting by senting inner office mail elaborately wrapped page a game of cranium presidential seal on the outside which is his way of saying don t worry, i get what they are trying to do. martha: victor davis hanson you wrote this column that outlines some of the outrageous behavior of past presidents. they had the luxury of not documented during their time in office. they did. i mean, can you imagine right now if donald trump was running a blood pressure reading of 245 over 135
while he was chain smoking and having two or three martinis at night as you said and his daughter ivanka was running clearance for an affair that he was conducting with a staff? this is not like drinking 12 diet cokes we re told. were it s jfk or bill clinton we have to get historical perspective. crazy people don t win or actually destroy a field of 16 really well qualified primary candidates. they don t beat the clinton machine that was the most well funded, well connected, well reported campaign in recent memory. and then they don t achieve two quarters of consecutive 3.2 economic growth or historically low unemployment or high stock market or business confidence where it is we will have record oil production 11 million barrels next
year. we recall grate recalibrated the east alone on oil production. what it s about is an ongoing effort whether you like him or not to delegitimize the president of the united states. remember, we challenged the voting machines and then we said the electoral college was going to be challenged and then we were told that their clause was going to be invoked. and then there was impeachment suit and talk of the 25th amendment. so trump the colluder, trump the tax cheat, trump the predator and now it s trump the deranged president that somehow got nominated and somehow got elect and somehow had pretty significant achievements in his first year. martha: karl, you praised the bipartisan meeting the other day. we know we live in a world where there is a leak a minute basically. tonight came out of the bipartisan meeting where they were supposed to be getting together to put something on the table with regard to immigration. your thoughts on that? the president sometimes
is not his best friend. the remarks crude and dismissive remarks in that meeting are going to hurt him. look, back for just a second on this book that generated all this week. i was forced to read it before fox news sunday last weekend. and it s amazing to me how out of touch what being a president is all about. my favorite chapter is chapter 8 at grate length he goes and excore united states the divisions of. chief of staff reince is insisting on working with the leadership in congress in order to advance the agenda and jared curablener wants to reach out to business executives and steve bannon wants executive orders. and he closes off this chapter by saying and president trump doesn t seem to understand he can t have it all. well, every president wants to do all three of those things. it just showed to me the ignorance of wolf when approaching the job of the president. martha: of course every one of those people is going to try to camp out an agenda and push it with the
president and see how far they can get and how much they can accomplish. gentlemen, thank you very much for your unique perspective on pieces you wrote. you bet. martha: interesting reading. i highly recommend it. thanks, gentlemen. huge news today from wal-mart, raises pretty much across the board. president trump getting the credit. but is that the whole story? we are going to talk about it fox business host charles payne joins us here on the story with his story what is going on in america with the economy, with wal-mart and all these races when we come back. with those we love, but when your psoriasis is bad, does it ever get in the way? embrace the chance of 100% clear skin with taltz. taltz is proven to help people with moderate to severe psoriasis achieve completely clear skin. with taltz, up to 90% of patients had a significant improvement of their psoriasis plaques. in fact, 4 out of 10 even achieved completely clear skin.
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they weren t like the multinationals. they couldn t write it off and make money overseas and establish it in a bank overseas. they were the ones under the most pressure. they said thank you to president trump. they also acknowledged because president trump put a lot of pressure on the business community whether it was boeing complaining about the cost of the air force one or other companies. he let them know i will shame you in front of everyone if you do the wrong thing. listen, he is a profit-motivated person he understands that. martha: he speaks their language. no doubt about it? he speaks the language and language of main street is he connecting those. martha: what about this number from quinnipiac and a lot of other numbers in here don t reflect well on the president. when you ask someone how do you feel about the economy and 66% of them say excellent or good. that was one of the only questions in this poll that didn t have some sort of political weight on it that s extraordinary number. double what the average was for the last six or seven years. i will tell you even more impressives that was a
combination of excellent and good. just take excellent, martha. january 18% of americans said excellent. in december it was 11%. a year ago 2% it shows you just even more recently in december what we saw a record amount of consumer purchases, people are spending. there is something going on beneath surface that s not reflected in any political polls. we saw it in the numbers in december and now seeing it in these sort of surveys. you are right. all the other stuff, listen, when you set up a poll. martha: just so people know people felt it was because of president obama and not so much. right. martha: how do you explain that. the weighting of the poll. 36% republican it s a small absurd number. the questions leading into that were also sort of disingenuous. how fit is the president? how intelligent is the president? so leading into that but you cannot get around the fact that americans are saying that this economy is on fire. everyone admits that everyone is seeing it and i
think it s great. we all should celebrate it. dow up 200 points. martha: measure of future earnings and optimism in the country. absolutely. it is. it s a great time. thanks. martha: so in the age of internet bullying and body shaming, one brave woman takes on an internet hater in a very unique way and her response is going to make your day. our own beloved janice dean. she is up next. with advil s fast relief, you ll ask, what pulled muscle? what headache? nothing works faster to make pain a distant memory. advil liqui-gels and advil liqui-gels minis. what pain?
you. your an attractive lady and love the 80 s hair but your legs are distracting every time you walk on the screen love joanne. would you respond to that at all. courage to write back hi joann, fox doesn t dress me. i m sorry if you don t like my legs. i am grateful to have them to walk with you re right, i don t look like the typical person on tv, and i m proud to be a size 10. imagine that. can you always turn the channel if you are offended by my huge legs, which they re not, which janice wrote. i hope you don t mind, i may share your post with everyone on my facebook page, all the best, janice. here with me now fox news senior meteorologist awesome person and smart, terrific courageous. january january we did start together by the way. that s like a trivia question. we shared an office you and i. shannon: we shared an office interior. no window. here we are today. i m so proud of you for what you said and did on this today and we all get these
kind of creepy things. you know what? what you wrote about how important it is to you to use your legs is very personal to you. we all get the controls. most of russ okay let it can be out there and i m not going to respond. it was just that message and the fact that she was going after my legs which i have always had a sore spot about. i always wanted to be a little bit thinner. so women out there, men too can identify with that it was a sore spot. something that i got teased about when i was in school. but the fact that i was diagnosed and you know this and the fox family knows this m.s., multiple sclerosis over 10 years ago i realized i could lose my ability to walk at any point in time. patients try to wake up one day and try to get out of bed and fall. right? so i am potentially someone who that might happen to and i might be in a wheelchair. and i m okay with that but to have someone go there and
say your legs are unattractive or don t wear those skirts or don t show off your legs, it hit me the part that got to me i posted on facebook. martha: how many saw joann s note. my m.s. nurse, jen, who was my very first person that i really talked to about the disease, she wrote under joann s message be proud of those strong legs. be proud that you can walk and you can dance and you can jump and you can make snow angels and have you had two beautiful children that have helped you along the way. be proud of those strong legs and i thought darn right i m proud of these strong legs. i m proud of the fact that i m a size 10 and i m healthy and i have a wonderful family. and i m sorry, joann, whatever you are going through that you had to write something like that. martha: she is no longer on social media january january someone asked me if i could meet her tomorrow
what would i do? i would ask her if i could give her a hug. why would did you go out and do that unless have you something wrong going on with your life? martha: she is a human being which we assume she is she feels terrible about what she wrote and we all do things we regret and you investor kind to say that i think about when you were diagnosed and i remember you talking about it way back then and i watched you marry, have your children, thrive in every way and i just think you re amazing. and i really thank you for being here tonight and sharing your story. january january listen, one other secret? we have the strongest women here on the fox news channel including this one right here. martha: i think they are learning that if they didn t already know it january january oh, yeah. martha: stick around, folks, quote of the night is coming up next. stay at la quinta. where we re changing with stylish make-overs. then at your next meeting, set your seat height to its maximum level. bravo, tall meeting man. start winning today. book now at lq.com
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