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defection. here with more nbc's jim maceda in london. >> those are two mig jets flown by libyan pilots who were given orders to bomb protesters in benghazi in an effort to take control back from libya's second largest city from protesters that had taken control the night before. now these two pi lots as you can see here landed in malta, that island state off the coast of italy and sicily with they requested asylum. others were given orders to fire around the capital of tripoli. they carried them out and fired on crowds of protesters. this particular defection here is a dramatic sign ...

So on the right it's very interesting where there are some people who supported the iraq war which i did not but saying is that domino theory. after we knocked down the dick tay towards in iraq and afghanistan now they are falling elsewhere. >> if you were to look at the broadest implications of this, mickey, are we -- is america at a junk tur thcture? >> we sucked up to these dictators and it's not realistic. we need a new policy where we try to channel the forces of the good forces of democracy and hope that they win titans lammists don't win and that's the challenge now. >> what would you c...