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i'm just going to be watching to see if michael cohen was called back in afterwards to rebut anything. we don't know what costello has to say. he may have something that may, you know, further sort of dent michael cohen's credibility. we just don't know and it'll be interesting on the other side of all of this not tonight but months from now to talk to michael cohen more about this grand jury process, i mean, the news of the day that may just move on but very interesting to see it, just to get this close-up already of the machinations. the grand jury and i'd love to know more on the other side of it. >> likewise and we'll be trying to do that. i want to sank all of you. let me tell folks we are just hearing that mr. cohen did walk out of this courthouse. we don't have details on what he did while he was in there, whether he testified. but we do have eyes on him from our reporters that he walked out. mr. costello according to what we believe is still inside as you see. it is a moving and fluid day down at the white house and

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a law enforcement trap. now, when there was the court-authorized search of donald trump's private residence in the documents probe which i mentioned earlier and that comes after the insurrection there was once it was all said and done a large surge in threats against the fbi and a shooting at an fbi field office in ohio. we are joined now by a former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence, frank figliuzzi, and rick stengel still with me. we've been discussing all of these issues. frank, i put it that way very carefully because it is entirely possible to advocate peaceful protests. everyone has every right to publicly gather or criticize this d.a. the d.a. of this city of new york is no different than any other official, publicly elected or otherwise, and there's room for that. but as "the new york times" put it, donald trump's wording doesn't sound in context with recent history like just that. the "times" called it more of an

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not to people who could tick off, for example, a new york tax fraud statute and how it differs from federal tax fraud, right? you have to -- i'm curious with your view on that side of it, whether you think, at least what's publicly come about seems strong and clear to you or some have argued kind of tough and convo lawsuited? >> you know, ari, that always is a challenge and i covered the trump organization trial that was late last year that came back with a guilty verdict against the trump organization, and going into that, i sat through a lot of days of testimony and going into it, you heard how complicated it was going to be, but prosecutors broke it down and they make it accessible. they try to and the jurors, you have to give them credit. i always sit through trials and i think at the end, these people are smart and they take it in and they process it. but it does take some time to break down w 2s and 1099s and

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i also want to emphasize something i tweeted about this weekend, which is if we were a country of laws and we are rule of law people, whether it's a misdemeanor or a felony, that is returned by this grand jury, it is one of momentous import. it is a former president of the united states, never having had a criminal prosecution of a former president of the united states, even if it's a misdemeanor, ari, it's a misdemeanor that would be based upon the falsification of business records which is fraud so you consider that and the other thing i just wanted to mention for a second, ari, the fact that trump was invited to come to the grand jury to speak to the grand jurors. he declined and sent in his proxy instead but trump has no problem putting out on truth social and to other different social media platforms what his legal defense and position is. he should have done it in front of the grand jury and might have sealed his own fate by sending in costello today. >> suzanne, you have covered so many twists and turns in all of this.

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