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>> he was trying to get them to think that the competition with the soviets was serious enough to get americans to pay for defense and perhaps to render their sons and daughters very quickly after world war ii. >> host: how much continuity was there when it came to soviet power from fdr to >> guest: a lot more than people gave a sense of. dwight eisenhower campaign on something called rollback and john wayne would appear at eisenhower rallies a elect bike because he will like the russians out of eastern europe and eisenhower to some extent was curious about that as an ultimate aim of...

called andrew goodpaster. he was sort of a pullback supporter. they had this operation called operation solarium. the way he did it was he appointed three teams fred one was rollback, push eastern europe back even if it means war, and the other was isolationists, do nothing and let them take over the world, and of the center would be something akin to what we would call containment. although they didn't call it that. he put andrew goodpaster in charge of the containment team. because he knew that he'd make undreamt would make sure that one. and indeed it did. >> host: rhetoric aside,...

defense and perhaps to render their sons and daughters very quickly after world war ii. >> host: how much continuity was there when it came to soviet power from fdr to president johnson? >> guest: a lot more than they give them credit for. dwight eisenhower had something called rollback. they said elect him because he will wipe the russians out of eastern europe. to some extent, he was serious to that effect. but the way that eisenhower handled this, he had it aide called andrew goodpaster. he was sort of a pullback supporter. they had this operation called operation solarium. the wa...