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Reading it. >> she's excellent at explaining her positions. and attracting people. when i talk about the electability question, i want to make sure i'm clear about what i mean by 2016. people thought trump was not electable, right? that's what i mean specifically. >> now that he's in and people know that not only is he electable, but he's in, will that help turnout against him? because a lot of people said they didn't vote because they didn't believe he could win anyway. >> right. exactly. that's exactly right. i think the issue that democrats are going to face, and i'm glad i'm given this opp...

Business. and they broke stormy daniels and a series of these stories. so this is not a situation of smoke. this is a five-alarm blaze. >> shermichael, as the republican on the panel, are some of the friends of the republicans, when you hear rupert murdoch's paper has been one of the leads on this -- >> sure. >> -- whistle-blower story, the fact that you've not heard any senior members of congress, republican, come out. are they beginning to say wait a minute. this is becoming a bridge too far? >> i mean, i think you'll have some republicans behind closed doors that will say this is a problem....

Should not have, for some of them, many of them, particularly those in leadership like mitch mcconnell and others, this he see through trump a vehicle, a mechanism to sort of finally see some things that republicans have wanted to do for a very long time, specifically as it relates to the judiciary. so i'm not confident that you will see a significant percentage of republicans at all, if any, coming out against the president. i think that means it shifts the question to democrats, then. that is, what are you going to do about this? i know there's over 100-plus democratic members of congress th...

Debates. just the last debate, still have 14 million viewers. if you're the biden campaign you still see a candidate that has pushed back and also to note has maintained strong support among the african-american community. we should know eight years ago ultimately that's how barack obama defeated hillary clinton, by proving himself to black voters as being able to win. essentially that electability question that joe biden is trying to hold firm to his own candidacy at this point. if you're looking at that, if you are kamala harris, if you're beto o'rourke, pete buttigieg, you need the numbers ...

American people are going to ask themselves this question, what's to stop the next president from doing the same thing if we don't say there has to be an ethical, a moral, a legal limit? we are a society governed by these types of structures. >> i can only imagine if this was president obama -- >> we know how that would have worked out. >> yamiche alcindor, thank you for being with us. we'll have more with tara and shermichael later in the show. coming up, speaker of the house nancy pelosi still says no to impeachment but says yes to indictment. i'll explain next. but first, i'll toss it t...