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Our pollster power panel, joining me as tom devon, cofounder and president of real clear politics. chris wilson, digital strategy director for senator ted cruz's 2016 campaign. tom, let's start with you. should the similarities between joe and hillary have team biden were read? >> i think they should come and i think you make a pretty good argument of the similarities between the two candidates. at this point in 2008, in the race, democratic primary race, hillary clinton was up 20 points over barack obama. she led that race all the way until barack obama won iowa, and that is when she really s...

Bad for the country, good for joe biden and some other -- i think you could also argue kamala harris and some other more folks who are in the pragmatic lane when trump recedes, that's when i think you see someone like elizabeth warren who sort of touches people's hearts and bernie sanders maybe, you know, gain some strength. >> alex had a great little piece about this, kasie. he wrote this back in june, our buddy alex wrote this. at time it's can feel like the democratic primary voters are playing a giant game of apples to apples, where win not by picking the cards you like the most, but by gu...

There again, i could have this return to a white house similar to obama's. >> it's interesting, though, that the electability question does seem to be mostly judged right now on that nostalgia and experience question, which is not really a tangible policy thing at all. so it's just kind of odd that biden keeps delivering what is in many ways an eat your vegetables argument to a large part of the democratic base and if you look down in the guts of that poll, biden seems to be polling among the people you think he would. democrats. people who that argument of nostalgia appeals to. but not to the...

If you look at poll after poll, anecdotically, they want to win. democrats just want to win and that shows up in polling in places like south carolina where voters by a vast majority say i'm willing to compromise someone who doesn't agree with me on all of my policies to win. i want somebody who can beat joe biden. now, the argument against that, elizabeth warren and others are saying wait a minute. every poll head to head shows me beating donald trump too so that electability question for joe biden isn't right because when you go down the list, fox news poll had it the other day. almost all o...

Second debate, he had a fine second debate and he's still doing well. holding his position at the top of the polls. i took away what you took away, which was let's build on obamacare. that was a line in the sand with elizabeth warren and bernie sanders who said again and again, they want to get rid of private insurance and have a medicare for all plan. he was reminding people he think that's a bad idea. i would be careful with him on this electability question though. who's the person who can beat donald trump? it's me. something joe biden said something as well. we have that fox news poll fro...