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Regard. you know, whether it's how she grew up, what she went through as a working mom, you know, to what she has had to encounter on the trail or from the president's attacks. i do not think that she is going to buckle if she comes under attack because she is a front-runner. i think that she's a woman who has an optimistic path forward. she's -- she really believes in the policies that she set forward. and, frankly, every single day she's building trust with voters across the country. >> how does she deal with the electability question? i'm hearing people all over the country say i'm beginnin...

Talking as one that heads a sh national organization and does television and radio every day, the driving force is to get rid of donald trump and if she does well in iowa and new hampshire and the electability question is no longer there with biden, i think many african-americans would go with her because her policy is not offensive and her background. with bill clinton, we had questions ab tbt capital punishment of a guy in arkansas. we don't have anything we hold against her and it could be all uphill for her if this happens to go that way. >> put up a fox poll that talks about south carolin...

Bidens. that was exactly like was happening in 2016 where he is like russia, are you listening? at her emails. >> dana: she has all these lieutenants. schiff has this issue. i wanted to ask, the appearance of impropriety in the fact that it's out there in the water, does it undercut joe biden's electability argument because he'd been riding high in the polls on the electability question. is that now something that the dnc should worry about? >> the dnc is not worried. the voters will ultimately decide who our nominee is but i think that what's clear is donald trump is running scared. he brough...

I want to read it to you. the ukrainian leader was apparently left with a different impression after the phone call with the president. murphy spoke with zelensky during an early september visit to ukraine. he said the ukraine president directly expressed concern at their meeting that the aid that was being cut off to ukraine by the president was a consequence of the ukraine president's unwillingness to launch an investigation into the bidens. two questions. one, have you ever heard of a u.s. president asking another nation to investigate one of america's citizens? >> no, but i do know of joe ...

Obama or hillary clinton who had done that because it is wrong regardless of who does it. it un-american. it is unethical, and it is unacceptable. >> well, it's also -- i'm out of time, but it's also to mrmr. mr. lotter's, i think eventual point, it's also unknown. we need more facts. we need to know what happened in the call. we need the whistle-blower complaint. let's see where it takes us. but it was interesting to hear you acknowledge, marc, it is an issue of national security what happened on that call and how it was handled is as well. thank you for debating tonight. appreciate it. >> th...