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when we see a new monarch is that prior to any coronation, if they have one, of that monarch, we're going to get opinion polls, i would think, about them. millions of people have never forgotten diana. | you know, they've wiped her out of history. - prince charles's first wife, who died in a car accident. and that's why camilla being installed again. by the queen, kind of given this, i think is to misread . how many people really feel passionately that l diana was wronged. i think that's true, but i think that has somewhat faded. no. it's not as strong as it once was. and now, interestingly, the prince has been married to his second wife for longer than he was married to diana, so i think, if you like, they've had time on their side. i think she's been bedded in as this member of the royal family. there are people who still
now on bbc news, dateline london with shaun ley. hello and welcome to the programme, which brings together leading commentators in the uk with the journalists from overseas who write, blog and broadcast from the dateline london. this week, as this country marks the 70—year long reign of queen elizabeth, what future for queens and kings here and globally? from king mswati, who's used his absolute power to rename his country eswatini to the imperial family ofjapan, gods made mortal by an occupying power. from the often absent thai monarch to king felipe of spain, embarrassed by his dad. in the studio thisjubilee weekend,
the state of how her health may change over the coming... i find that so interesting only because, catherine, knowing that you were an editor of a catholic publication probably ten years ago, we would have said, "a pope resign? no, he's in it for life." and yet that happened. and so never say never in these situations where we're in uncharted waters for a monarch to be this old, really, and having been on the throne this long, and what happens next, it's really hard to say. interestingly, the queen will be well aware of how queen victoria disappeared from view for quite some time after the death of her husband, prince albert, and became very unpopular. and it was only when she had her golden and diamond jubilee, the other monarch that reigned a very long time, that she came out for those and she was popular again, so i guess this queen knows the importance of what she phrases as being seen to be believed.
to succeed when they die fills in for them. exactly. part of that might be because everybody feels, the queen herself, particularly, that she's not completely incapacitated, as happened, for example, with george iii, when he was seriously ill and the person who became actually george iv, his son and heir became the prince regent, so they haven't gone down that path at the moment. perhaps they remember the history of it because he wasn't a terribly popular figure when he was regent, was he? no, he was not. and in those days, the monarch had more political power, and he didn't use it in ways that were particularly impressive. but i think it's also to do with the fact that this queen has this very strong sense that she signed up to this for life, and so i think there's possibly an unwillingness to stand down. but we may yet see that happen, we may yet see a regency act. because nobody can know
of a dynasty that we see here. although, there are one or two where they are, it can feel almost dynastic. that is true. and also i was once based in south asia and saw two monarchies fall. i mean, well, one, it was a republican revolution that got rid of an unelected dynast in nepal, and in bhutan, it was actually a king who said, "it's time for me to give up absolute power and for this to become a constitutional monarchy". but that is the way of the world is heading towards democracy. although, of course we see setbacks. when india became independent, the minute it became _ independent, it declared itself a republic and it got rid - of all the maharajas, - who were very autocratic and incredibly wealthy, . gave them a palace each. and did that stop the i tourists from visiting? no, it made it - into a modern state. now, i understand that people say, "oh, do. you want trump, then?"
of there being a regency. in other words when the monarch continues, but because they are no longer able to carry out their duties to the same level, the person who's due to succeed when they die fills in for them. exactly. part of that might be because everybody feels, the queen herself, particularly, that she's not completely incapacitated, as happened, for example, with george iii, when he was seriously ill and the person who became actually george iv, his son and heir became the prince regent, so they haven't gone down that path at the moment. perhaps they remember the history of it because he wasn't a terribly popular figure when he was regent, was he? no, he was not. and in those days, the monarch had more political power, and he didn't use it in ways that were particularly impressive. but i think it's also to do with the fact that this queen has this very strong sense
feel, as you're suggesting, yasmin, but i don't think it's quite as powerful as it once was. henry, ijust wanted to, as we close, talk very briefly about the rest of the world. it's a bit unfair, but this weekend of all weekends, this is very much a domestic—focused edition of dateline. unusualfor us. butjust on that, you gave a great example of asia, where you've got monarchies who voluntarily gave up, monarchies who were deposed. we have a monarchy that's proving very supportive in thailand of the military junta there that seized power from a democracy. i mean, just an observation from you, perhaps on the uses and abuses of monarchy internationally. having a monarch is no guarantee of either the good or the evil of a monarch, of the monarchy. you do have thailand, where they're in support of a military dictatorship. 0n the other hand, although he was an embarrassment a few years ago, the king in spain, juan carlos, actually helped transition that country to democracy from fascism, and so there have been examples of good kings and queens and bad kings and queens. and sometimes it's
dateline london. now on bbc news, dateline london with sean ley. hello and welcome to the programme, which brings together leading commentators in the uk with the journalists from overseas who write, blog and broadcast from the dateline london. this week, as this country marks the 70—year long reign of queen elizabeth, what future for queens and kings here and globally? from king mswati, who's used his absolute power to rename his country eswatini to the imperial family ofjapan, gods made mortal by an occupying power. from the often absent thai monarch to king felipe of spain, embarrassed by his dad. in the studio thisjubilee weekend are catherine pepinster whose new book defenders of the faith addresses one of the reasons this queen does not contemplate retirement — herfaith. yasmin alibhai—brown, a british columnist who is a committed republican, and henry chu from the la times in the united states,
were hard to come by. john stones should have done a lot better with an early header. phil foden had had trouble. he played on despite that clattering challenge from felipe. a desperate scramble in the box, saw gundogan hit a post. it was all city but they were being frustrated. guardiola adopted this position for most of the second half. he knew that atletico would push for a goal. how close was that from antoine griezmann? mighty close! as the home side became increasingly desperate, felipe crunched into foden again and was sent off and that helped city's cause. a madrid melee and nine minutes of extra time later, there was relief. city had scraped into the semifinals. they're not going to forget this night in a hurry. there was a football match in there somewhere but they are going to return to this city soon enough, because in the semifinals, they have got real madrid. 0lly foster, bbc news,
increasingly desperate, felipe crunched into foden again and was sent off and that helped city's cause. a madrid melee and nine minutes of extra time later, there was relief. city had scraped into the semifinals. they're not going to forget this night in a hurry. there was a football match in there somewhere but they are going to return to this city soon enough, because in the semifinals, they have got real madrid. 0lly foster, bbc news, at the wanda metropolitano. also a thriller for liverpool, 3—3 they drew with benfica last night, but are through 6—4 on aggregate, they face villareal in the last four. ibrahima konate put klopp's side in front, but benfica pulled level, roberto firmino's two second—half goals put the reds back in pole position. benfica finished with two more goals of their own, to level the game, but couldn't overhaul liverpool's first leg advantage who are still chasing a total of four trophies this season. the manager of northern ireland