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8 trillion immigrants he calls them migrants. brian: he says you know that was the president's decision. really? steve: joe biden says i was vice president. ainsley: castro is so far down the list he is trying to have his breakout moment. he watched kamala harris do it if the first debate and now he is trying to do it going against joe biden. steve: had those people polling at 1%. the bomb throwers they weren't there. there was more of a debate regarding healthcare. clearly people are dug in on do they want to fix obamacare or medicare for all. they were dug in on one thing, that is that this ...

Moderated event. they are battling for support from one of the country's strongest unions. should let you know on the other side, that is elizabeth warren. she shut down a short time ago and she'll be taking questions after she finishes speaking there. she'll be taking questions from union members. the clash of medicare for all is complex, but if we simplify it, 2020 presidential candidates can be pretty much divided into three camps. those who want a single-run government plan with no private options, senator sanders, warren, mayor de blasio in that camp, and then on the other end, joe bide...

World takes care of all of its citizens. american companies are paying for that health care and no other company -- no other country that they're competing with is. it's complicated. but you can make it simpler and that's what our autoworkers know. they're scared. they have lost a lot. the supplier companies have lost their health care already after 2008. >> you say -- let me jump in. let me jump in because you say they're scared. this has been part of the debate. former vice president biden says let's fix obamacare, let's not have this huge disruption to medicare for all, he thinks some of th...

Deal, something along those lines, but he was right, that's a guy who had been around washington since he was 29 years old. the obama administration pushed washington and america as far as it could be pushed. there were ugly town hall meetings. just ask claire mccaskill. so biden in a sense seems like the perfect person to be center stage, and either he defends obama or he's overrun by progressives who want to go much further. >> i've been having conversations with former obama officials and they tell me that, yes, of course, obamacare is hard to get, and they had to drag the country to get th...

>> yeah, joe, you're exactly right. i was working on capitol hill at the time that obamacare was passed and i will tell you, it was very very difficult to get that bill passed. there were lots of deals that were made, lots of concessions to try to get this passed. so the fact that this has now turned into something that people would insinuate that this is a republican type of bill is of course going to anger a lot of obama administration officials who were instrumental in getting this bill passed. joe, you will see this tonight from joe biden. i have to think he lost the debate and is thinking...