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Sky and ensuring the no fly zone. but if that doesn't work, if the world does not react and does not help us, what else is there for me to do? i cannot just leave my city. i cannot leave my people. i cannot allow the russians to take over. i've been building my life here in kyiv for over 20 years. i've seen what they have done to my native city of kharkiv, where i spent 17 years. they just bombarded it, basically turned it into a lamp pot, with the hold world just pretending not seeing what is happening there. what else is there for me to do? i don't really see a choice. >> the 9-year-old you ...

The u.s. is not going to put troops on the ground. there is not going to be u.s. involvement with the no fly zone. when you hear president biden say there is going to be a severe price if putin uses chemical weapons, what should that be? >> well, i actually like the fact he said there will be a severe price without spelling out exactly what it will be because i mean, i don't think we should put american troops into ukraine but i also don't think it was wise for the president to say that out right. i think we should have left that strategic ambiguity as you said earlier. so making it clear that...

But it's interesting, he says all of those decisions should be taken behind closed doors and then we simply announce to the ukrainians have got them and he made some some fascinating comments there. in fact, i want to pick up with that, jonathan documented with former naval intelligence officer john jordan who believes the ukrainians will come out on top calling putin's invasion an absence of strategy. he joins me now and quickly, john, your in your view, could there be a separation between a humanitarian no fly zone and a military? no, fly zone? because now there's kind of a call for both. ye...

Dramatic situation in mariupol, in the surrounding of kyiv, people don't have water or food. only approximate numbers of people in mariupol are trapped right now, and that's about half a million. there's no connection with most of these people. the situation is very hard. that's why we're screaming to all the world, please, let's do the no fly zone if it's possible, and let's do more to protect our sky and our air because most of the attacks are coming from the air. >> you believe with a no fly zone would at least humanitarian aid to get in or potentially people to get out of the areas that ar...

On ukrainian soil. president vladimir zelenskyy has been pleading with western allies to impose such a thing a no fly zone over all of ukraine. now that designation would ban aircraft essentially from a specific area, but the u.s. and nato obviously fear the risk of nato warplanes downing a russian mig could lead to a much larger conflict that might downing one just get involved in fire with one and that could go well beyond ukraine's borders. i'm joined now by retired air force general blaine hull. he's a former military representative to nato. nobody better to ask about this . great to have ...