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Thinking about that question. how we help ukraine get stronger and effective, not just have this long-term theoretical question about whether or not they can join nato in three or five years. >> president biden also spoke with the president ahead of the summit, turkeys president had been blocking sweden's effort to join the military alliance, but now it looks like president biden could make a deal to sell fighter jets to turkey in exchange for the country agreed to allow sweden to join nato. could such a deal like that work do you think? >> it might but i also see this as a much russia is not ...