system. i think rightly suggests that if you're going to go down a co-op route, it's a lot more complicated than just getting a bunch of people in a room together and figuring out a way to swap money so that everybody's insured. and i think that's instructive in terms of when we talk about, how do you create one of these things or more around the country. >> if there are complications involved, what did he say that might clue you? >> his last comment about provider payments. obviously he's well aware that co-ops are not the ultimate solution if there is such a thing for the health ca...