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Release the migs, the mig aircraft from poland, romania and others. they could use that right now. the russians have nearly 80,000 troops in that area, but it still may not be enough this is the same area the russians have tried to take now for eight years. the ukrainians are dug in. it's trench warfare in some places. they're trying to outmaneuver the ukrainians by enveloping them. what the ukraines appear to have, they can parry each of those blows as they happen. >> general pittard, so grateful for your insights. thank you so much. >> thank you, john. up next for us, mask confusion at the...

Do that even though you think militarily it could be necessary? >> i do in some ways. it's a humanitarian mission to take care of refugees and civilians who, as we're seeing, the russians have very few forces there but are lobbing missiles into that area. they're killing civilians. nato and the united nations could be a part of this. demand that russia not fire into that humanitarian assistance zone. that is the best way to safely move the civilians and protect them. >> a provocative idea. we'll continue to watch. general pittard, thank you for your time and insights, sir. >> thank you, john. ...

From what i read is the actual fact. the heaviest concentration of russian forces is still around kyiv and they're still active in the west and i don't believe there's been any shift whatsoever to donbas. so this is, you know, kind of fiction that we have come to expect from the russians. >> i want to emphasize what we're talking about here. this is the donbas area here and that is what the general you're calling it fiction and orwellian, what the russian leader suggested that maybe they would be okay with just that or at least that that would be the goal. >> you know, i think someone else use...

Think the lessons are of general powell that you hope any young military officer with carry with them? >> first of all, that was very heartfelt comments from general austin, who i know well, on general powell. general powell's legacy is that he came from very humble beginnings. his family emigrated from jamaica, and he was raised in new york city. and with grit, determination, you can do anything. and he was an example of that. in his autobiography, "my american journey," he talked about that. doing the right thing always. and he was such a trail blazer, i think that is helpful not to just peo...

Also the powell doctrine, the use of overwhelming force. if we're going to go to war, we need to go to war to win. all those things just stick with you. >> let me play for everyone what defense secretary lloyd austin said just this morning about his passing. >> the world lost one of the greatest leaders that we have ever witnessed. alma lost a great husband, and the family lost a tremendous father. and i lost a tremendous personal friend and mentor. he has been my mentor for a number of years. he always made time for me. and i could always go to him with tough issues. he always had great couns...