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his own investigations. what will kevin mccarthy do now? and 5.4 billion dollars of potential fraud in pandemic related loans. with republicans now running oversight, will they get to the bottom of this? as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night -- good evening once again. i'm stephanie ruhle. there is new video tonight of a defiant donald trump testifying under oath. it comes as the former president -- now floor florida resident -- faces growing pressure from multiple investigations. the video was released today by new york attorney general letitia james, who deposed trum...

0 tomorrow night at 10 pm. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. now >> tonight, donald trump on tape and under oath -- taking the fifth more than 400 times, after years of trashing his opponents who do the same thing. then, george santos is stepping down from his committees amid his own investigations. what will kevin mccarthy do now? and 5. 4 billion dollars of potential fraud in pandemic related loans. with republicans now running oversight, will they get to the bottom of this? as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night -- good evening once ag...

I think we're beyond that point this election cycle. >> you talk about other candidates in the race. we've talked about cain. we've talked about romney. but you've also talked about some who were too outside the main stream. so extreme in their views to be elected president. are you talking about some of your rivals right now in this race? >> well, i'm talking about a republican party that dismisses mainstream science. i think in order for us to be successful, we've got to win over some independents. we've got to do the math. the math has to be in our favor. you can't run away from mainstream ...

I think we're beyond that point this election cycle. >> you talk about other candidates in the race. we've talked about cain. we've talked about romney. but you've also talked about some who were too outside the main stream. so extreme in their views to be elected president. are you talking about some of your rivals right now in this race? >> well, i'm talking about a republican party that dismisses mainstream science. i think in order for us to be successful, we've got to win over some independents. we've got to do the math. the math has to be in our favor. you can't run away from mainstream ...

That's going to be a critical calculus in making sure that the next president is a republican. you can't avoid that reality. >> but, you would not put romney in that camp, per se, yet you're saying unequivocally, he cannot beat president obama. >> listen, when i stand on the debate stage after the whole debt ceiling debate has been had and every single person on that stage was in favor of default, i mean, i don't think you can get any more extreme than that. at a time in this nation's history where we've got to stand up as 25% of the world's gdp, we've got to fix the problem as opposed to defa...