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able to follow the money. here s the importance of you might have noticed this that, nicole already but there s a theme to it relates to volume 1 of the donald trump s trips abroad, mueller report it is the counterintelligence failure. he got played by putin in helsinki and left vietnam early angle that intrigues me the most when we talk about the finances. it goes towards the president s with no agreement with kim motivations to align himself jong-un and north korea. now his secretary of state is with putin and russia. giving us a clue why that that s happens. that s why congressional it s donald trump s lack of preparation in part. investigatorshy want this so badly. in rex tillerson voluntary i believe this is more than white collar crime we re looking testimony this week, the washington post is reporting rex tillerson revealed that trump was outprepared by at and money laundering, this vladimir putin when they first could go to the heart of why met at the vital g-20 back in he s joined at the hip with russia. frank, do you think the 2017. that put the united states at a president is going to at some distinct disadvantage. point long for the days when the committee aides to the post only people looking for him were under one roof, under the room quote the u.s. anticipated a of robert mueller, looking at potential criminal violations. shorter meeting for exchanging he s now exposed in some ways on courtesies but it ballooned into many more fronts sort of a globe spanning meeting. incapable of protecting all of those exposed flanks. that struck a nerve with the sorry for the image. he s very much corn erred. he s encircled by president tweeting, the investigations. i think one of the attractive president wrote that his arguments for impeachment is secretary of state is, quote, thatim it does put everything kd dumb as a rock. of e under one roof so there wod we ve been talking about protection this hour. be one centralre focus and one rex tillerson totally ill prepared and ill equipped to be centralnd investigative body. but he can t make this go away. secretary of state made up a story. he got fired. that i was out-prepared by here s the other neat thing i see through my law enforcement vladimir putin at a meeting in lens. he can t go a week without germany. i don t think putin would agree. look how the u.s. is doing. committing or coming close to you can t make it up, eugene committing another crime. what no one is seeing yesterday is that he came close to robinson. no, you can t. he called someone else dumb violating the bribery statute, as a rock, he called nancy it says whoever offers or pelosi crazy. i think he worries someone promises a thing of value to an thinks he s dumb as a rock and official to induce or stop them from taking an official act is crazy. he said i was prepared ask committing a crime. whatti did trump do yesterday, putin. said if you stop investigating how about ask mattis. me, i will get your legislation ask putin? what? i know. done. a thing of value if you stop you can t make this up. you wouldn t make this up. doing something of value for me. it s ridiculous. and no one is talking about that. but in plain sight once again tillerson while he was secretary of state said the pre compare - the president is coming close to violating law. cl let s talk about that paul donald trump ran the trump organization, which is a butler. one of the places where people boutique branding company. and rex tillerson did run exxon on both sides of the aisle from formerof prosecutors offices tt mobile, one of the biggest and most complicated companies in say the president has a lot of the world, in the history of the world. exposure is around the so i think you could just sort investigations that may be of judge who s the bleeping housed out of the southern idiot. let me press you because district of new york, there may be someri in the eastern distri there s a lot of thin skinness of asvirginia. the idea that the mueller probe around his intelligence and stability. here he is moments ago about his has ended and the president s legal exposure ended, is a stability and his intelligence. misnomer. he has a democratic control i haven t changed very much. house of representatives and been very consistent. their investigations and all of theat exposure. i m an extremely stable genius. if he continues to commit crimes, i imagine new cases can i m sorry. before coming on i didn t know be referred but talk about what he had said that again. that bigger picture looks like paul butler. a little surprise for you, my the president s legal friend. an extremely stable genius. troubles are just beginning. he s like steph curry in the nba no one that says it if you re telling people playoffs, hehe s being double a you re an extremely stable genius, you are not. triple guarded le he s no steph curry. isn t that an axiom to this? i m a steph curry fan. he doesn t have the skills, you re right. he does not have curry s skills. it s scary because he s president of the united states. so urhe s caught. it s a little bit scary. we saw the performance yesterday and we re seeing it again, i think he has exposure today. i m with nancy pelosi. in all of these. i think i m going to pray. the only thing he s being in the same event that transparent about is his cover happened at the white house, he up. he told congress, i m quoting, we re not turning anything over. had several aides come up and attest to the press how calm he there s no legal theory to was yesterday. the cabinet? support complete defiance of sarah sanders, members of the congress and that s why in court after court this week federal judges are requiring him to turn staff come up and tell them how calm he was. we talked about him being over evidence to congress. reactionary before. that s what s happening now, and this is incriminating evidence that congress is going to use. showing a remarkable degree of they don t have to call it an thin skinness. impeachment hearing. but back to the original point. this is not just a complaint they are gathering evidence of high crime and misdemeanors. that rex tillerson has had, but this is my question for you, others as well. it s hard to get him to focus and put in the time on preparing paul bleutler, we know from the secondon volume of the mueller for the trips. he puts off preparing for the report frank referenced what we know in the first. overseas trips to the last but from the second we know how minute, often on the plane over determined donald trump was k t obstruct the russia probe and we there. know how he did it. aides said he felt like he was he set out to change the playing the shorter hand in the referees,ge to keep the basketbl exchange with the other leader analogyee going. while president xi or putin was he set out to malign the more more prepared and driving the narrative. they had to be. referee. he wanted to switch the bodies remember trump s own description in terms of who was running the justice department. of how he ran the trump this conduct with the congressional probe seems to be throughpa it.t runs organization, which is he didn t plan ahead. he woke up, went to the office he s stonewalling and obstructing those and whatever came up he kind of investigations. is that into and of itself addi dealt with it. to a potential list of high crimes and misdemeanors for this president? you cannot be president of the united states successfully that it is. one of thees values of criminal way. you were there can i ask, i want to get into prosecutionof is what we call the tillerson reporting because deterrence. people know they get in trouble it s great. are we dancing around something? for doing something, then they we came on the air with nancy don t do it. one concern with mueller not pelosi praying for him. indicting trump for any of those we cut to because in our hour talking about an i rad you can ten episodes of obstruction is presidency, the president that it sends a message to trump calling her crazy. we broke in with the president that it s okay. that he can get away with it. calling himself stable. heidi, for her part, nancy we re going back to his own secretary of state who travelled pelosi is watching donald trump the world over who talks about do all the things that frank and how unprepared he was. your team has reported on what paul just ticked through, continuing to incriminate in some of the military and himself, obstruct investigations diplomatic cabinet officials thought of him privately. into his administration and but it s not normal to be able himself. her account amounts basically to to pay attention to your military leaders, shortly after bless your heart. watch her praying for the becoming commander in chief, president. i pray for the united states. again i pray for the president president trump asked so few questions in a briefing that top of the united states. military commanders cut the i wishnt that the family or number of prepared power point administration or staff would have anst intervention. slides to three. they had planned 18 said two reporter: are you concerned about his well being? officials with knowledge of the i am. maggie haberman tweeted this, visit. the commanders slotted two hours for the meeting but it lasted less than one. pelosi s language has grown i ve been to briefings in the pointed in talking about trump tank, at air force bases. the way people talk about someone with an illness. it s not fluff. the military commanders don t or a toddler. intervention. let s be real. make 18 you slides of stuff you talked about the oranges of the should know, it s stuff you need to know. investigation. you travel with him, there are this is everything that we ve plenty of flashes of whatever learned about the president, rex tillerson is adding one more the opposite of brilliance is. this is not someone whose public vignette to the broader picture appearancesic depict stability. that we ve known for two years. without getting into we know he doesn t read his daily brief because it s not hypothesizing into what his mental state might be. digestible. his aides know this. clearly when she came out, i they break things down into one know we talked about this before or two sentences and this is my impression was she was shaken why, fundamentally, he s not able to, for instance, sit down we don t have 100% the full story of the president s and cut a deal, even though yesterday rage in that meeting. i thinkth it was a number of that s his entire image, because things. he s not patient enough to get he started tweeting before the into the weeds of a deal on second court ruling came out. immigration or into the weeds of i believe he was watching news a deal on infrastructure. that his art of the deal really coverage of his possible is all about force of impeachment and this was not personality. we see that play out in his strategic in the extent of his melt down. dealings with congress and on the international stage. it s no surprise he got played it was strategic in they had placards prepared, shades drawn, by putin because the whole narrative when he was meeting no chair there for him. he is legitimately at this poin with kim jong-un was that we got horribly played in a way no getting spun up because of the previous president has ever gotten played by the north totality of what s happening, koreans, in terms of granting this strategyng of i m giving y kim jong-un a face-to-face nothing, no records whether they pertainet to mueller or my immigration policy was actually meeting with an american president. a poor choice because now the that s because his art of the deal is get me in there, get me courts are saying, oh, no, you , across the table, i don t need don t. the white house s argument has to know anything, it s the force really been that congress, n of my personality. what has it delivered so far? unlike what it says in the constitution has no role in nothing. he has delivered grandly in investigating corruption or terms of the public donor providing anyon kind of check o agenda. they ve gotten everything, the executive, which is deregulation, tax cuts, judges. laughable to any federal judge on its face. and that s the problem now they re experiencing the federal court system is biting from don mcghan, nothing. that s not deal making with back. the question is how quickly is any adversary. this informationqu going to com forward. not if it s going to come right. when it comes to that, that s when he falls short. rex tillerson is interesting forward. as leann caldwell reported because he s one of many. these are all the people that the president hired and then the president attacked. today, the committee has don mcghan who delivered on the documentation from some n things you just described, financial institutions that are cooperating and others like judges, deregulation, kept him out of the criminal side of deutsche bank will be soon. i think nancy pelosi is obstruction. fbi director chris wray, who playing a game around he s been attacking. impeachment. she sd playing a game we re no going to call it the i word jeff sessions who was his because that triggers donald attorney general, rod trump. but he is being investigated, rosenstein, steve bannon, gary they are taking the turning down of document requests, the ignoring of subpoenas to court, cohen, am ma rosa. sorry. the point is, these are the witnesses that we were talking about because he attacks the and despite the white house lawyer s memo, 14 pages about not giving them anything, all of people he hires. in the case of rex tillerson, since he left the state this strategy has got them so department, he s largely stayed far is a few minutes and a lot quiet. even by this own report, he ofes losing in court. didn t go there looking to cast and the white house and washington are under a tornado aspersions against the president in this meeting. warning at this moment. he was answering the questions t literally and figuratively that were being posed to him there are a few things at play here. about the preparedness, and he yes, he s been upset with some answers them. of the court rulings. it goes to two things, the skin they re obviously appealing them. hoping to drag thinness that we ve seen, the this out. but these were losses and the comment rex tillerson made two speed of the losses unnerves the years ago now about him beeping president and the people around a bleeping moron, still sticks him. he was also upset by what in his craw that the mention of happened the day before. the aides, particularly hope rex tillerson s name with hicks who he has a soft spot anything is going to send him on a tweet storm. for, he was enraged by that it s not just aides talking about the president s lack of people told me sorry to use the rage narrative, sir. preparedness, it s himself. he boasted about it like it was and also nancy pelosi using the an asset. term cover up triggered him. i don t need these hours of this is a long time coming. briefings. i don t need to be told over and the administration has said, over again. that s for other presidents not since democrats run the house, as good, usually talking about they said you can investigate us barack obama. trying to keep this about a or work with us. strength obama knows more on an am bin but plenty have done both. the white house has a strategy they were looking for a moment to doer this, to drop the grena and say we re not going to work slummer than this guy knows. with you anymore. yesterday was that moment. here s what nancy pelosi it can backfire, you like to tweeted, when the extremely believe the president s stable genius starts acting more supporters would say he s not running the country, not presidential i ll be happy to governing for us, not trying to work with him on infrastructure, make my life better each and trade and other issues. so pelosi again and again and every day. you like to think there s a th again getting the last word. backlash, although you know his that s toddler language, eat most loyal supporters tend to stay with him no matter what your peas and squash and i ll be happens. happy to talk to you about this reelection is notr going dessert. be about a robust domestic yes. yes. you want your 15 minutes of policy agenda. screen time, finish your i m going to ban the word feeding. she trolls him and knows his strategy. this is not a white house that soft spots. she knows where to plunge the knife time and time again. receives the president after she does. it s hard to imagine there he s watched x times four hours were any democrats that did not think she was the right choice for speaker. of cable news in the morning, at the least she s proven tweeted x times whatever before herself the perfect foil for the what ever he does in his morning president she has gone routine. heoe reacted a moment ago to nay toe-to-toe and won almost every pelosi calling him bonkers. battle. when we come back, mayor crazy nancy, i ve been watching her for a long period pete with biting new criticism of time. she s not the same person. aimed at you, mr. president. crm she s lost it. aimed at you, mr. president. this is the story of john smith. you lost it, nancy. you lost it. my god, get that man a checkup. an it s the you re the puppet strategy play from the debate with hillary clinton. t yes, it s whatever doesn t stick to me is you. in terms of the president, you re right, there are some meetings held not this john smith. whoet goes to those meetings? or this john smith. or any of the other hundreds of john smiths what do they say? if the president hasn t watched that are humana medicare advantage members. fox news and made his own message for the day, we ll have no, it s this john smith. this as a message. the key word is reactionary. who we paired with a humana team member to help address he s reacting to what he sees on his own specific health needs. television, what happens on at humana, we take a personal approach to your health, capitol hill and there are few staff members left he listens to provide care that s just as unique as you are. to, certainly jared kushner has no matter what your name is. say, stephen miller. but mick mulvaney has made it clearha he s not trying to chec impulses. he s letting him to do what he wants. there s little around the president telling him, sir, this is a bad idea. so he s going to go with instinct, his gut and see more scenesmo like yesterday. one of the pat erns was the government shutdown. he seemed to repeat history yesterday when he said i will not govern as long as congress does its job. frank made the point for congress to take any thing of value t to not do their job wou be a bribe. for congress to say i won t do my job because you re taking the legislative agenda hostage would be an abdication of their role as public servants. that s a stupid thing to say on all fronts but he put it out there like he did, i d be proud to own the shutdown. it fuels the growing desire e to push forward toward impeachment that we ve seenus so, i started with the stats regarding my that s where the momentum is in the house anyway. moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. the house can t get anything else done. like how humira has been prescribed if he s not just seen as to over 300,000 patients. obstructing their ability to and how many patients saw clear or almost clear skin conduct investigations. but obstructing their ability to in just 4 months - the kind of clearance that can last. do anything, that s only going humira targets and blocks a specific source of to make this worse, but not inflammation that contributes to symptoms. better. i don t think this is one linear numbers are great. strategy. and seeing clearer skin i think these are the impulses is pretty awesome, too. of the president who are. that s what i call a body of proof. sometimes they conflict. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. it s the impulse to fight serious and sometimes fatal infections, including democratsul ahead of the electi. tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, he sees it as a strategy even if have happened, as have blood, liver, and it shoots him in the foot. nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, it s theimpulse to protect and and new or worsening heart failure. keep secret anything involving tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain his company and his personal and fungal infections are common and if you ve had professional finances. we saw that two years ago him tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. saying that would be a bridge don t start humira if you have an infection. too far if investigators look into his finances. want more proof? and now he s seeing these losses ask your dermatologist about humira. in the courts, it s making him this is my body of proof. angry. it s not a strategy but every impulse seems to fuel more investigations, it s pushing so, look, i don t have a nancy pelosi and members of the house to push more toward problem standing up to somebody impeachment, pelosi giving them who was, you know, working on cover by talking about a cover season 7 of celebrity apprentice up, it s all growing instead ofi when i was packing my bags for tamping down. after the mueller report you can afghanistan, but at the end of say by any measure that was a win for the white house. the day it was not about him. he could have pulled back and startedll talking about do you think he should have infrastructure, started talking served in vietnam. i have a dim view of his about a campaign strategy. decision to use his privilege he was in a great position status to fake a disability in there. not the actual mueller order to avoid serving in report, barr s summary. right. he got a running start vietnam. you believe he faked a disability. do you believe he has a there were ten points of obstruction, but it was very disability? yeah. at least not that one. little that the house could do with that. now he s giving them more he no, i don t mean a no, ammunition to do a lot more and i this is actually really the courts are backing them up every step of the bway. he s changing public opinion important because i don t mean inng his own regard by repeatin to trivialize disability but i the behavior in full view in the think that s what he did. same context. the obstruction volume of the a stinging rebuke of the mueller report is hard to wrap president by mayor pete your brain around. buttigieg. i don t know if the whole the latest poll out today has country has read it all. to go through and read what the him in fifth place behind biden conduct wwas, it was trying to and sanders and a pair of fire mueller, asking don mcghan surging democrats, kamala harris to write a lie about efforts to and elizabeth warren who are now fire mueller. when you see him do it in the rose garden, didn t read it but in double digits. that was your colleague, robert costa who did a tremendous job. obstruction means blocking something sthe s doing again. that was a tremendous event, the mueller report didn t tons of news, but there right move public opinion on either side. but this in real time is giving there might have been sort of them something new. that how hard can he go if democrats want to know how hard frank let me ask you about their choices can go with donald the asposter. he s going to meet with nancy trump, that s as hard as you can pelosi about infrastructure. so maybe they had posters for er go at donald trump. that was hard. that. that was afghanistan hard. but they quickly got rid of that was disability, not that those posters and had a poster disability. he connected those dots. thosethere, of the mueller report and it right. saidan two curious things, it sd and everybody s written about them and that s what you take no collusion, no obstruction. robert mueller didn t write no away from what actually happened with trump. but there s something about coming out and saying forceful collusion and robert mueller didn t decide no obstruction. what do you make of the efforts to still lie about the mueller bone spurs and that s how he got findings. he s a verbal liar and now we out serving in vietnam. i had said this before, i have it in writing on a poster think that all of the democratic candidates are getting better he holds up at a press week after week after week after conference. people need to understand the week. buttigieg is the most gifted president of the united states had his staff prepare a poster political communicator on the that had lies. field. knew right where to go to hurt trump the most. mueller did not find no i have been thinking about this. collusion. he was focussed on criminal he s not the first person to go there on vietnam with trump, it conspiracy with russians. and he didn t find that the was bob kerrey, the former president did not commit obstruction, rather he listed senator who said you had bone ten examples of things that spurs? let s see the mri. could be charged as obstruction. so the president is at the point trump s whole image is fighting now where he s holding up the elite. and we the media, who come from posters with lies on them at normal, middle class families, rose garden press conferences have become the elite. and people need to understand that aside, this is the ultimate when they hit the pothole on the betrayal of that. that he used his privileged interstate highway that s not repaired because there s no status as an official, as the infrastructure bill or a bridge favorite son of the new york elite to avoid the draft, if he crumbles in their down because really didn t have a disability there is no infrastructure legislation or they swear they ll never pass through this and trivialized it and gained a airport again because it s not system like that. getting n refurbished or repair, who are the guy hoz ds who did o they need to understand it was the president who walked out of a meeting after three minutes go? a lot of the guys who supported that could have fixed infrastructure. paul butler let me give you him, working class guy who today live off social security and the last word. we had conversations about pensions the hard for after they came back donald trump as the subject or target of the investigation, possibly with real disabilities that was opaque, we now see him from serving. as the subject or perhaps target it s an emotional and of an impeachment proceeding or gut-wrenching message. at least investigations from congress. as a former prosecutor, what do here he is on race. is president trump a racist? i think so. if you do racist things and say you deduce? he s running scared, acting racist things, the question of like a guilty man. whether that makes you a racist if he s innocent you welcome the is almost academic. investigation or at least you re not afraid of it. the problem with the president the problem though for speaker is that he does and says racist pelosi is there might be some things and gives cover to other tension between what s in the best interest of the country and the constitution, which i think racists, and it s not an is impeachment, and what s in the best political interest of accident that hate crimes rose the democrats. so when speaker pelosi uses disproportionately in places his words like coverup, those are campaign visited. which by the way, is another impeachment words. reminder why it is the conduct she shm making the case for of our campaign, not just our impeachment. but does she think that s in the outcome, that could affect what happens in this country. party s best political interest? and there s no i mean, only time will tell. without having to examine his after the break, speaking of heart, there s no question we have to respond to the racism trump s finances, a bank at the that is emanating from his white center of it all may soon be house. and it reminds me of a moment turning over its records on the todd gillham had, andrew gillum president to congressional investigators. a look at that long and some would say tortured relationship. had, who ran for governor of the president s first florida. secretary of state dishes on the where he said i m not saying president s lack of stunning that you re racist. separation for his face-to-face the racist are saying you re racist. yeah, that was the governor meeting with putin. of florida. i don t have to settle out for and buttigieg not backing ba you whether i think trump is a racist. down in the fight against trump. the racist thinking is it. all those stories coming up next. all those stories coming up next when you shop for your home at wayfair, it shows all of the candidates, not just the candidates of color, have to address the fact that this is often an elephant in 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the policies he advocates for are. i think it shows an adept way of attacking the administration, you raised the point it was joe biden whose opening words were charlottesville, seemed to light a fire under democrats who were not going right after trump, they were campaigning against his policies but not his character. what we are seeing here is let s change now. democrats, they seem far less reluctant to go after donald trump the man, not just donald trump the president. women surging in this poll. you know reliable support when you have it, kamala harris up 3, elizabeth warren up 4, amy klobuchar up 2. and that dependability is what we want to give our customers. i think this is because they re at comcast, it s my job to constantly running really good campaigns. monitor our network. i think harris had a moment with prevent problems, and to help provide barr. she rode it. she s taking it to the campaign the most reliable service possible. trail. she s putting down some of the bricks for a campaign. my name is tanya, i work in she s now turned on a more the network operations center for comcast. public-facing face of her we are working to make things campaign. i said it before, elizabeth simple, easy and awesome. warren is as effective as anyone in this field as communicator and messenger that the base is starving for. she s been grinding it out, distinguishing herself and investing in major field operations in new hampshire, in iowa. and i think now that they are getting more time with the news stations and coverage in a lot of these communities, the polls are showing that this is a really competitive race. and they are in that second tier now solidly. they will make the debate stage. trump talks a big game on and i don t think we re going to his business acumen but has yet see much more movement i may be wrong, but i don t think to offer a scrap of evidence to we re going to see a ton of movement until after that first back up any of his claims of debate. i wouldn t say this is anything success. he spent years ensuring his to do with their gender but just financial records stay hidden the virtue of the fact that they but due to recent court rulings are owning their policies and connecting with voters in their those records are closer than states. and they all have an open ever to seeing the light of day. invitation here, their campaigns the judge s decision yesterday know that. come spend time with us. that deutsche bank may comply we will sneak in a break. with the subpoenas they received from congress means congressional investigators could soon be peeking behind the trail to the president s past. since 1998 deutsche bank lent him $2 million and he owed them more than $2 million at the time he was sworn in as president. the new york times writes, deutsche bank recognizes that mr. trump was a risky client. but as our next guest reports they kept lending and lending to him. david enrich is the financial applebee s new loaded fajitas. 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mexicans would pay for it, to use the money to take land away from farmers and ranchers on the border of the united states. how can any conservative support this guy? senator, the definition of conservative has changed so fast in our lifetime it s unbelievable. we need a dictionary to keep up with it. senator michael bennet, democrat from colorado. thank you, sir. stay safe on the trail. that s all we have for tonight. we ll be back tomorrow with more meet the press daily. ari melber is picking it up. good evening to you. we begin here with breaking news rocking washington. moment of truth. house speaker nancy pelosi says that is what faces the nation tonight. right now as she stepped out and made this announcement just within the last hour. i m announcing the house of representatives moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry. i m directing our six committees to proceed with their investigations under that umbrella of impeachment inquiry. the president must be held accountable. no one is above the law. many house democrats already said they were conducting this exact impeachment inquiry, but never the speaker of the house, never like this, she is the one who decides if there will ever be a floor vote to impeach the president. why not? why now? here s the speaker. this week the president happens admitted to asking the president of ukraine to take actions which would benefit him politically. the actions of the trump presidency revealed a dishonorable fact of the president s betrayal of his oath of office, betrayal of our national security, and betrayal of the integrity of our elections. and in moments republicans expected to come out and give their first major formal on-camera response to this news that the speaker made. we will monitor that and show any excerpts as warranted. we have a lot more reporting and a fuller breakdown on where the impeachment charge is heading later in this show, but right now i want to get to the latest with msnbc s heidi przybyla, michelle goldberg and jason johnson and former federal prosecutor joyce vance. heidi, what did speaker pelosi change with her announcement? according to a number of lawmakers who i talked to, ari, it was both messaging, and by putting all of these inquiries under a formal impeachment umbrella, as she put it, they believe and it is their legal theory that they will have greater access through the court system to documents and they ll be able to compel witnesses more easily. and it is also partly the messaging, ari. in that meeting i m told by several members who attended she said that, look, this is not just a case of the president asking a foreign country to dig up dirt on their political opponent, on his political opponent, but to actually manufacture evidence against him because the ukrainians have already disputed these charges at the highest level. in terms of this prosecutor was dismissed. so, heidi, your reporting this has been quite a day on the hill with the meetings and this dramatic announcement. the speaker was outlining why ukraine is different which many of her members already felt, which is that there was already impeachable conduct. she did outline this was a new level, in her words, corruption by the president. she also outlined a phone call today that she had with the president that was very interesting, ari. i got a readout on that. that the president actually said to nancy pelosi, hey, can we do something about this? whistle-blower complaint. can we work something out? and she said, yes, you can tell your people to obey the law. so she quickly swatted that down and made it clear that it is full steam ahead. now, it is unclear, though for our viewers, a little more contense on that. you re reporting that the speaker and the president spoke today. he s had a busy day at the u.n., but you re saying that the pressure led to this call? don t know what specifically set up the call, but we do know that there was a call between the two and in the call donald trump used language that we ve heard him use before in terms of asking the speaker what we can do about this whistle-blower complaint. how we can possibly work something out. interesting. let me she swatted that down, ari. let me bring in michelle goldberg. you ve been writing and handicapping a lot of what the speaker s been doing. i want to play sound of the speaker earlier today at one of her events talking about this ukraine issue specifically and why in her view is an abuse of power. take a look. we had many other, shall we say, candidates for impeachable offense in terms of the constitution, but this one is the most understandable by the public. your view of what the speaker did tonight. well, first of all, i m grateful and relieved, you know, because i ve been very critical of nancy pelosi on this show, in my column yesterday. i am so glad that she is finally on board and that somebody in this country has taken charge of holding the president accountable. but it s interesting because when i ve talked to people in the past about why she s been so reticent on impeachment, often they ve said the public isn t there. for pro-impeachment people that s been very frustrating because it s the job of democratic leaders to lead public opinion rather than follow it, but i do think something changes in that this is a much more this is something that you can say in a few sentences, right? you don t have to read this incredibly dense report to understand just how corrupt what trump tried to do is. our whole panel stays. let s listen in to republican leader mccarthy. investigate something in the back when you cannot find any reason to impeach this president. this election is over. i realize 2016 did not turn out the way speaker pelosi wanted it to happen, but she cannot change the laws of this congress. she cannot unilaterally decide we re in an impeachment inquiry. what she said today made difference of what s been going on. it s no different than what nadler s been trying to do. it s time to put the public before politics. thank you. mr., speaker, are you afraid that you re on the wrong side of this? a brief statement from leader mccarthy there. michelle, what we see there is pelosi has done something big enough that there is a need for the president to call her, for the house minority republicans to respond, although they didn t say much in content. right. as you were saying. well, i think it was extremely striking how little they said to actually make an affirmative defense of trump. similarly we had a unanimous vote today in the senate to on a motion to basically or a resolution saying that they should release this whistle-blower s complaint. and so to be honest, i m like a little bit flabbergasted by all the senate republicans voting in favor of that, and i m a little unsure about what the strategy is of coming out with such a tepid statement, not even in defense of the president, but asupposing nancy pelosi. i mean, it makes me wonder if they assume that something bigger is coming down the pike but i really just don t know. so, i mean, i think a lot of democrats are relieved that we re finally at a moment because as the republicans are going to try and say, the democrats are relitigating 2016. and that s not the case. the democrats are finally saying there are so many egregious acts committed by this president and he s been aided and abetted by people in his party. this is now something where he s actively moving towards 2020. on such a big news night, i don t want to make light, but i don t remember joe biden running in 2016. that is true. right. as i understand it, one of the potential nominees no one knows what s going to happen and a member of the obama administration and a contender to run against trump is the target of what if any other citizen would do could been an illegal campaign international conspiracy. right. which is what some democrats were concerned trump did in 2016 against hillary clinton. trump pretty much assumes that biden will be the democratic nominee. so his conversations with ukraine, whether he thinks that, you know, the transcripts will show that he s completely absolved of this or not, are highly problematic. the whole panel stays. i am learning here as we are reporting this out that other democratic leaders, clyburn and steny hoyer, members of nancy pelosi s leadership, have now formally jumped in and endorsed the impeachment probe. jason johnson, i think we have a count somewhere that we can put up, but it is a count that has grown quite a bit from just 24 hours ago tonight. your reaction to what you think it means that pelosi did? because we haven t heard from you yet. and these other members jumping in. well, first, we start with the republicans. mccarthy basically did, like, the congressional version of that s it, that s the tweet. he had nothing to say. he just had to put a statement out there because if he didn t the news story was going to completely overshadow anything republicans would try to say in the next 24 hours. ari, what this says to me is something i ve always doubted about pelosi but now we know it s true, she can count and she can read a calender. she obviously has been behind the scenes all along saying, all right, look, i don t have the numbers, but when you see seven vulnerable democratic freshmen write an op-ed saying it s time for impeachment, pelosi has clearly pocketed all the votes that she needs and now she s rolling this all slowly. now, the question is simply a matter of we re not worried if there s going to be a vote. it s a matter of when the vote is going to happen. we don t know if that s going to be in january, february or september of 2020 and force a bunch of vulnerable senators on the republican side to vote for this president right before an election. and that s the big question. did speaker pelosi tonight create an irreversible road towards a house floor vote on impeachment? and if so, that appreciatably increases the odds that president trump will become one of the few presidents in history to face impeachment. right. or did she leave herself on off-ramp. i was just talking to my control room. some of it s happening too fast to update our impeachment count. many nights that hasn t been the case. tonight the impeachment count growing so fast we don t have it up on the screen. i ve got two brand-new statements from democratic leaders telling us they re jumping in. right. so we are now with, jason, about 40 votes among the democrats or less to having the constitutionally required majority in the house to impeach the sitting president. that s a big deal. everyone stays, as promised, here about ten minutes into our broadcast. i want to dig in a little bit more as to what just happened. washington on fire right now so let s go through what occurred in the last 24 hours. the democratic speaker backs an impeachment probe. the republican senator pushed for this whistle-blower complaint. the president announced a cave to democratic demands. he claims he ll release notes on the ukraine call. congress waiting to see if he follows through with that tomorrow. this wave of house democrats we ve been reporting in real time, new members in the last ten minutes since we came on the air, jumping in to back a trump impeachment probe for the first time. last night as i was mentioning, we had 136 democrats supporting impeachment. that number now is over 180. those numbers are snowballing as the panelists were just discussing, thanks to some people in freshmen and swing districts with national security backgrounds who came out with this rare joint public statement backing impeachment. these new members of the impeachment caucus are basically moderates and holdouts. these are the democrats who were holding back after the mueller report, holding back an bob mueller testified to congress. that was exactly two months ago today, but say they are moved by the reports that trump abused his power and his control over taxpayer funds to use it as a bargaining chip within that scandal. trump has now admitted to key parts of this, including that financial pressure. here it was just this morning. very important, i want other countries to put up money. i think it s unfair that we put up the money. then people called me they said, oh, let it go and i let it go, but we paid the money. the money was paid. as pelosi pushes house democrats demanding this full whistle-blower complaint, more evidence and answers from donald trump s intel chief who testifies thursday. meanwhile, adam schiff says today he s working with this whistle-blower s lawyer to get them to testify, and as mentioned, the senate unanimously passed a resolution that the complaint must be given over to the intel committees. if it sounds like a lot s happening at once in response to donald trump s violation of the rules and in some cases law, that s because it is. and it also shows how post-mueller donald trump may have felt momentarily like he was in some sort of clear. because it was right after mueller testified that he dialed up foreign leaders for what is basically a new attempted collusion plot flagrantly defying the rule of law and then now perhaps bizarrely confessing in public. so we re seethiing this all com together. to, yes, all people who are often seen as the conscience of the modern democratic party. take a look at a statesman and civil rights icon. if you haven t seen this yet, john lewis now saying enough is enough. i believe, i truly believe the time to begin impeachment proceedings against this president has come. to delay or to do otherwise would betray the foundation of our democracy. christina, where does that idealism fit into what has been such a hard-knuckle political battle? well, i think that so many people in this country don t want impeachment, we don t want to think that someone who has taken an oath to protect the entire nation would actually do things to work against our best interests, and, you know, john lewis is obviously a great civil rights icon, but he s also not someone who goes into a battle who is not prepared and hasn t really thought about these things. we know that he s a patriot. we know that he loves this nation and i think it pains him to actually have to say that donald trump has done these things and we have to move forward with this. but, i mean, if we are, you know, in this civil rights vein then i say impeachment now, impeachment tomorrow, impeachment forever, if that s going to be the case because this president has clearly shown us that he cares about himself and his businesses more than he cares about the nation and the good will of the american people. joyce vance is also with us. federal prosecutor that we ve come to rely on and who we should mention, as we often do, was sought by the house to testify on this very issue. appreciate you being a part of this and your patience tonight. i give you an open swing. everything we ve heard thus far, including these new democrats just this hour jumping in. as well as the constitutional significance of the ukraine scandal being about what president trump did in office rather than in some cases earlier questions about acts before he became president. you know, that is an incredibly important point, ari. for so many people the mueller investigation, the russia investigation was very difficult to grasp. both because the legal charges were a little bit confusing. they were complex. but also because the conduct happened when president trump was still candidate trump. now we re talking about misconduct that he committed while sitting in the oval office. withholding congressional funds. trying to get ukraine to deliver the goods on a political opponent in exchange for that aid. and that s something that i think people can comprehend easily. as we ve heard some of the politicians say tonight, impeachment has both a political component and a legal one and it s important for the country to be able to come along with congress. there have been complaints that maybe congress should have been leading, but the reality here is that now trump has committed something, as you pointed out, on the eve of the release of the mueller report and bob mueller s testimony when perhaps you would think he would have learned a lesson. he was presented as someone who is politically naive, who didn t understand this sort of conduct involving foreign nations in elections was wrong, and yet he trod right back the same direction. that s something everyone can understand. yeah, it s striking. heidi, before i lose you to do more reporting there on this busy evening, take a listen to a little bit more of what speaker pelosi laid out today. there is no requirement there be a quid pro quo in the conversation. if the president brings up he wants them to investigate something, that s of his political opponent, that is self-evident that it is not right. we don t ask foreign governments to help us in our elections. heidi, we saw her and speaker pelosi is such a masterful politician in the sense of knowing where her caucus is and also communicating. we saw her tee this up over the course of the day. christina earlier referring to the and michelle and many of our panelists to how we got here, which was a lot of pressure and back and forth as she tries to do what she has to do with holding her majority caucus. i wonder what you can tell us, heidi, what is coming out of the speaker s office. can she ever unring this bell, is there an off-ramp in any way or would you expect a floor vote on impeachment on this president at some point? so as of this tuesday in september i would say that we only have an inquiry at this point, we re going to know darn sure very fast because, ari, on thursday if the dni does not produce that whistle-blower complaint then what is going to happen is that the legal brass knuckles will come out and they will use every resource they can to rain down on members of the trump administration. but it all depends on what specifically is in that whistle-blower complaint. the speaker is right. i ve talked to a number of members who said, look, you don t need to articulate the quid pro quo for you to execute the quid pro quo. if you re withholding military aid at the same time that you re pressuring the leader to essentially in the speaker s words manufacture and cook up evidence because, again, i can t stress enough that her message in this meeting was that the reason why this is so nefarious is that the ukrainians themselves had already determined right. and said on the record that none of this had any merit. that the investigation itself had been shuttered for about a year, and so thursday will be a real inflection point. that is why the president obviously is so disturbed that he would bring it up in a phone call and say to speaker pelosi what can we do to work this out about this whistle-blower complaint? striking. heidi przybyla on a busy night. thank you. reporting from capitol hill. joyce vance, i want to ask you one more thing, and that really to lay it out, is if you look at the anyone else by the new york times, peter baker, we have gone from no collusion to according to the times, quote, so what if i did? the man who once said he could shoot one on fifth avenue in manhattan without consequence seems to be testing whether he can do the political equivalent. before we lose your analysis, i wonder what you think about that. because in some ways the trump era exhausts precisely because of the way that he governs, if you want to call it governing, and things that were drip, drip, drip over i recall covering and i know you do months in the mueller collusion probe really in this scandal on ukraine took about a week and a half. you had all the usual parts. rudy giuliani clumsily, messily does it, but tries to get the mess on his own suit to protect the president. we know that maneuver. the president comes out and admits little pieces and then bargains in public and private. heidi saying he s saying to pelosi, hey, what can we work out here? which may be an echo of the way he talks to the ukrainian president. he tweets today from the u.n. i m going to release part of the ukraine notes. all of this seems to be him testing, yep, i did it, what are you really going to do? this is really the ultimate expression of how trump governs or as you say doesn t. it s trump trying to deal with the russia investigation with no one else in the room who knows what s going on. it s trump without those guardrails that protected him from the worst mistakes that he would have made on his own, and i think that that s, frankly, why we ve seen this accelerate so quickly. what we don t know here is i think in many ways as interesting as what we do know. what should have happened here is that once the inspector general for the intelligence community deemed that this whistle-blower report was both credible and urgent, it should have been transferred by the director of national intelligence almost automatically in seven days to congress. there was no reason for congress or the justice department to know that it even existed. but somehow that happened and somehow the justice department, the office of legal counsel ended up making this really flimsy decision that says, well, dni, you don t have to transfer it to congress because the misconduct doesn t involve a member of the intelligence community who you have authorization to control. which is really odd since we now know that that conduct was by the president of the united states. so still unanswered here is this issue of how did this get loose from the dni yep. and get into the white house or doj? that speaks to trump without his guardrails in place. it s interesting to hear you lay it out like that because you re putting your finger on the fact there is a bit of bad lawyering going on, potentially, bad lawyering by giuliani and potentially on the president s behalf at the doj which in some ways is backfiring because by making their circuitous argument they end up revealing certain things and the pressure going up. joyce, appreciate you. always good to see you. i turn now to the house intelligence committee. chairman schiff revealing these talks are under way to have the whistle-blower come speak. also the high-stakes hearing on thursday where the director of national intelligence who we were just discussing dealing with his lawyering is withholding a whistle-blower complaint, again, remember they are required under law to give to congress. we bring in a new member of our analysis team here. california congressman eric swalwell who, of course, serves on the intelligence committee as well as the judiciary committee. i know it s busy. thanks for joining me from the hill tonight. of course, ari. thanks for having me on. let s start with this. what changed based on what speaker pelosi said tonight? urgency of the issue. i mean, of course, this is not to dismiss the lawful inquiries into the president cashing in on access to the oval office, obstructing justice in the mueller probe, working with the russians to win his election. that is still ongoing. but here in real time he is asking a foreign government for help, and when you ask someone for help, you owe them something, and that means at some point in time he would put another country s interests ahead of america s. that s betrayal. that means we have to act. you say you have to act. does that mean, in your view, speaker pelosi s committed by backing this impeachment probe to having a vote on impeachment? well, again, i don t want to speak for her. i think we are moving in that direction. there is a big day coming on thursday where the whistle-blower complaint, again, we re just operating right now under what the president has copped to, right? right. he s not denying what has gone on, but we don t know if this complaint also articulates other concerns or a completely different concern. we know we re entitled to it and we know that it s urgent and that it s credible. so if we don t get that by thursday i think that certainly is obstruction of congress and something that i would support impeachment for. you would support if this ultimately goes on and there s never a floor vote in the united states house on impeaching president trump, do you view then what speaker pelosi did tonight as not enough? no, no, no. i think she is just, you know, prioritizing this urgent issue as something we have to work on right now. she s not she s not saying that the other issues and the other investigations won t go on, but there is an urgency, you know, to this. and, you know, the president should turn over the whistle-blower complaint. we re not really going to give much credibility to what s in the presidential edited transcripts. we ve seen them turn over false transcripts and false videos in the past. i understand that. i think our viewers are up to date on that. what i m getting at is, for folks who are watching speaker pelosi say tonight she backs on impeachment inquiry, many people in the democratic caucus had previously said that s what was going on, true? yes. in a bottom-up way if she doesn t ultimately hold a floor vote, is that a disappointment to you in your role as a member of the two key committees. is that what the democrats think has advanced tonight or has it not really advanced? if we hold a floor vote i think it s clear that the rule of law has been violated. our national security has been jeopardized. i m not going to prejudge what she s going to do. i think he should have been impeached a long time ago. there is an urgency here. there decision night to involve herself and say it s her priority to have these investigations shows the seriousness of what the president has done. we ve updated our graphics here and we re at 186 democrats. an all-time high. backing this impeachment probe. as you know, you only need 218 total. are you and other democrats going to now try to rally? i mean, who are the holdouts now? who are the remainder? we ve seen some of the so-called freshmen swing members and other centrists come out. yeah, again, it s a personal decision for each member, but what we are telling those members who have not yet supported it is if you do nothing, this president is going to get worse. he s proven himself to only get worse. and second, we re lowering the conduct for future presidents. again, we don t have to look at what he did with the 2016 election. we have an election coming up that he s already inviting another country to help him with. we have to act now. like, it s now. is that part of the no time to screw around. is that part of the democratic message, that he tried to collude in 2016 when russia initiated and now by 2020 he s sort of gotten good at it and he s trying to collude again but he s initiating? a leopard doesn t change its spots, essentially. again, if this was the only thing he had done. if he hadn t cashed in on access to the oval office, work with the russians, this is still worthy of an impeachment investigation. that s what we re saying. were you in the meeting today? i was in the leadership meeting with the speaker and the caucus meeting that followed. i know there is some stuff you guys aren t going to tell us. we get that. is there anything you can tell us, though, about what it was like in there? because the speaker who came out and addressed the nation. she almost seemed to be in state of the union mood. i m just listening and learning as i go. i m hearing from you. that doesn t mean there is going to be a floor vote. that doesn t mean we know what the future is. a lot of people around the country are looking up, they see on the news pelosi backs impeachment after trump trump admits ukraine scandal. they re thinking that means there is at least going to be a vote on impeachment if not him actually being impeached. so with that space in between, again, in fairness to you, what else can you tell us about the meeting or her seriousness or her sort of gravitas on this? yeah. or are we going to be in two or three or four weeks and hear, well, there s a lot of committee meetings and we just have to wait and wait and wait, some folks, as you know, are tired of waiting in your caucus. i heard from her an urgency to act. i just saw in the way she left the meeting we really do not have time considering how close we are to an upcoming election and the inspector general said this is urgent and credible. i met with the inspector general last week with the intelligence committee and he said it was urgent and credible when the kplapt w complaint was made over a month ago and remains urgent and credible today so let s get moving. let s get moving. anything you want people to know out there? i ran my mouth a little bit so i want to give you final words. again, she s not rushing into this. that s why so many of us respect her. she has sort of been backed into this but has nowhere to go when president is telling george stephanopoulos. backed into it by the rising number identify. by the president. by the president s actions? i think the president s action. sorry, we ve tried to work with you on a number of ways, there is nowhere else to go. the national security is at risk. understood. congressman swalwell, in the ven diagram of the committees that the speaker mentioned tonight, you were right in the heart along with some of your colleagues, intelligence, judiciary, busy night. thank you for coming on the beat. my pleasure. thanks, ari. thank you. michelle, your thoughts on what we just heard. i think it s true nadler and judiciary have already been saying, well, yes, we already started an impeachment hearing, but there has been widely reported internal dissension within the caucus where, you know, pelosi reportedly resented the fact that nadler had sort of gotten out ahead of what she had authorized. you know, nadler was trying to push this further than where a lot of the caucus wanted to go. i think because because they saw the urgency, i mean, the people on the judiciary committee, that was one of the they were in the in the center of all of this. they were in the center of, you know, kind of evaluating the mueller report. so you had more than half of the democrats on the judiciary committee come out for impeachment when it was still not a majority position within the democratic caucus. right. i don t know that it matters so much that she takes a vote on whether to authorize an impeachment inquiry because you can just because you can just start one in the judiciary committee no, i mean a vote on is there going to be a vote on the articles of impeachment or not? look, i think there is no question that the judiciary committee is going to report out articles of impeachment and it would be i think politically, unless something radically changes, extremely difficult for pelosi then to just bury those articles. do you agree with that? i completely agree. i mean, i agree with jason as well. nancy pelosi has always known how to count. keep in mind, she is the one who wrangled all the democrats together to pass obamacare. obviously barack obama and rahm emanuel got lots of credit but it was nancy pelosi who was making sure that every single vote was counted. and so in this particular case, i think the frustration that so many democrats have had, you know, we have enough. you know, the emoluments clause. every weekend at the golf courses. i mean, it just seems as though the president has had brazen abandon in his behavior and she s saying, wait a minute, i know where our democratic representatives are across the nation and we don t want to do this because we see that the republicans, as i ve said several times before, have been acting as though they are agents of donald trump and not the united states. and briefly, because i have an expert on some of this i want to go to. before i bring the new voice in, when you see the president claim in public, oh, i welcome in, bring on the impeachment. then in private we re told call nancy and say let s make a deal. what does that tell you? what grown sensible individual would ever want to be impeached? you join a very tiny, tiny club of americans who have essentially been voted on by their colleagues, people sent by the american public to represent them to say you have not done your job, you have not upheld the promises you ve made to the american public. and as a president, for this president to, you know, bill clinton s personal issues were one thing. this is saying donald trump has talked to a foreign entity as a sitting president in the oval office of the united states. yes. and asked them to interfere in our democracy. and for someone that is inexcusable. for someone like him who does understand brand that s off brand. that puts the peacimpeachmen ukraine and other abuses of power alleged in his life history forever more. that s in your brand when it s a historical event. stay with me. as mentioned, we ve got a couple of different ways wee re coming at this story. you hear this often, worse than watergate. when it comes to donald trump asking ukraine to help him win re-election. consider what former solicitor general neal katyal says is really worse. it s about as grave an offense as you can imagine. even richard nixon when he ordered the watergate break-in didn t have the imagination to outsource it to a foreign government or intelligence service. here donald trump is doing exactly that. as promised, i want to turn now to richard, he served as a top prosecutor on the watergate task force as a former assistant attorney in sdny. also celebrated member of the 9/11 commission. you ve held many different public service posts. appreciate you making time tonight, sir. thank you for inviting me. i have a lot of questions for you, but i begin with your view of what the speaker has set out tonight and whether you think this is an advancement on the road to articles of impeachment. i think it is. i think she has put this posture of utmost seriousness. it appears to me that speaker pelosi is moving toward the appointment of a select committee. i think that would be an interesting development in moving this along. and i think what we have seen is the perhaps the straw that breaks the camel s back in terms of a discussion of impeachment. and is that, in your view, sir right. is that straw substantively stronger than the other allegations and incidents that are seen as impeachable because this is, as we were discussing with our expert, something that the president has done in office relating to his re-election and he s admitted part of it? i think so. i think, however, that this is all cumulative. to the idea that the president has espoused soliciting help from foreign governments in connection with his own personal political needs, and to do this is a departure from the normative behavior of a president of the united states. and it s very dangerous. are we choosing up sides now in our political process to solicit help from different governments and different countries well, you said asking for different things from our country. you said normative. let me ask you this, in your view based on what s publicly known, is it an impeachable abuse of power? i think it is abusive and i think it goes along with the disregard that the president has shown for the way in which our country yeah. has operated in the past right. in terms of balance of power. the ignoring of subpoenas, the bogus claims of executive privilege, the refusal to honor subpoenas for documents and testimony, all these things along with yeah. the advice to witnesses in the mueller probe not to cooperate with mueller, all of these things are cumulative yeah. to behavior that is so different from what we have come to expect from the chief executive of the united states and the chief law enforcement officer. yeah. you remember your contemporary carl bernstein? i do. here s what he has to say about the ukraine scandal. i keep getting asked, are there echos of watergate in this? and there are in the following ways. watergate was very much an attempt by richard nixon to undermine the democratic electoral process. do you agree with the way he puts it there? well, yes, there are many analogies to watergate and to the behaviors of the richard nixon, but at the end of the day, i would note that richard nixon exhibited a sense of shame. we have not yet seen that. in this president. i want to keep you here and turn to jason johnson and talk about something that can get lost, which is we re dealing with a president who admitting things that may be illegal and may be impeachable. the congress will decide. but it s not coming out of the blue, as richard and others are mentioning, it comes in the context of a president who has had more aides indicted earlier in his presidency than anyone in history at this stage of their presidency and whose campaign manager and lawyer are sitting in jail right now. i m going to put up so everyone can remember. you ve got paul manafort, you ve got michael cohen, you ve got mike flynn, papadopoulos, gates, that s five individuals, jason, who have been convicted and pled guilty in every in every facet. so no debate whatsoever. mr. stone remains legally presumed innocent but he s the president s longest adviser. he s awaiting trial right. on some serious obstruction issues. jason, take a look at the historical timeline, which i think on a night is significant. those are the aides charged. now look at the timeline. this is where donald trump is. obama eight years and a zero. president clinton three. nixon 12. though those coming much later. donald trump is record breaking when it comes to indictments and convictions of his own aides. do you think that is an important piece of living historical context as the congress decides whether to go down this this very constitutionally drastic role of potentially considering articles of impeachment? oh, definitely, ari, because all of these scandals, all of thee indictments, you know, a lot of them were summarized in the mueller report, and basically ever since the mueller report dropped, like, congress has been waiting for nancy pelosi to say get the strap, right? it s time to go. we know who this guy is. it s time to escalate. it s time to move forward. and so we already know, the country knows, the voters know, the caucusgoers in iowa know, the members of congress already know the president has engaged in impeachable behavior. the biggest impediment thus far had actually been speaker pelosi herself. one part of it is is she could count, but also she had sort of thrown water on the whole thing all along, well, i don t really know, we got to have the public lead, it s got to be a bipartisan event. now she recognizes that we have moved past the point. so to go to your question, yes, we have history that s built up to this point that we knew what was coming, on top of that, there is no off-ramp. we re all going off this bridge together. there is no way after what pelosi announced today that in three months or four months or five months by the time we are halfway through super tuesday that she could not have had some sort of floor vote and it s going to be very critical for her to do something before people get frustrated. you talk about frustration. you re hitting it. that s the key question. that s what we ve been reporting out. she did, i should note, back off talk of a celebrity committee and say, no, it s going to be judiciary, which was seen by many progressives and pro-impeachment people in the caucus as a sign of supporting jerry nadler and being progressive. jason, you know what we do. we love you. we re going to clip that sound and play it back to you in three months if what you say has not happened. i don t have as good a crystal ball as you. the whole panel stays. danielle joins me here in new york. we re going to add more folks. we re in breaking coverage. right before speaker pelosi made this announcement of an impeachment probe the senate did something itself, it unanimously passed a resolution, nonbinding but unanimous, that is demanding something unusual, that donald trump release the ukraine whistle-blower complaint to the intelligence committees. it s unusual because he s supposed to have already done it under the law, but it s politically interesting because it required something you don t see very often. 100 senators agreeing on something trump related. no objections. think about how rare that is. meanwhile, there are a wide range of views on some of these scandals when we talk about a breaking point. take a look briefly at what s happening at donald trump s favorite television network. there is no known evidence that biden did anything wrong. the whole thing involved corruption in ukraine. earlier this year a ukrainian official said there was no evidence of any wrongdoing by joe biden or his son hunter. the real issue here is the phone call, the claim that the president pressured a foreign leader to investigate a political rival, and the failure to pass the whistle-blower complaint to congress. if the president said, you know, i ll give you the money but you got to investigate joe biden, that is really off the rails wrong. right. but if it s something else, you know, it would be nice to know what it is. it would be nice to know. joining me now in our rolling coverage, mother jones washington bureau chief david corn. he was reporting on this story today, including the house jostling how to deal with what speaker pelosi announced. and as mentioned. danielle of the center for american progress. good to see everyone. david, what do you see as different as this town you live in, that you ve covered for so long, and is speaker pelosi leaving herself, as jason says, no off-ramp? that there will be a floor vote on articles on impeachment or do you see this as something that continues to play out in baby steps? jason s a smart fellow, but i think in politics there is always an off-ramp. we may not be able to envision it now, but politicians can squirm out of things if they choose to, but what s different is that nancy pelosi is finally calling the thing that existed the thing that it is. we have had six investigations. jerry nadler s talked about this being an impeachment inquiry, a preinquiry, a prepreinquiry, whatever you want to call it. what she is saying all these committees investigating various aspects of trump s drugs, emoluments, obstruction of justice, obstruction of congress, campaign finance violations, all that. it s all now under an umbrella and that umbrella has the big word impeachment uppnder it whi means at the end of the day when these investigations are done, and they still may take some time, congress isn t moving fast and david you ve been reporting out what s been going on within the sort of democratic liberal ecosystem. yeah. there has been progressives, including aoc today, who were basically rallying behind jerry nadler. whatever the criticisms and we ve aired some of them on this very show about how some of the hearings have gone, but saying on the liberal side they still see him as the best person to take on trump. what does that mean well, what happened do you think any of that pressure is getting to pelosi? well, what she s doing is going to have all of these committees basically to report to him at the end of the day. here s what we found and here s information that may be an impeachable offense. it s still going to be up to the house judiciary committee, unless she does something differently, but this is how it would work under what we know now, to come up with articles of impeachment and move forward with that. this is a process that could take time. indeed, she and others have not been happy with him getting out front. there was talk today of setting up a select committee to look at the ukraine issue and other matters, but the progressives fought back against that. they did look at it, rightly or wrongly, deluding jerry nadler s standing here. including nadler s committee and we ll see how long it takes them to come up with conclusions to these various probes and whether they report to him that there are impeachable offenses that should go into articles of impeachment. danielle? i m just so happy that this is finally happening. can i just say that? it s like i m going to tell you, some democrats that we ve heard from and some critics of donald trump say they come to this more in sorrow, it s sad to impeach a president. you re honestly saying based about what you think this president has done and got away with you re happy? yes. overall this is bad for our democracy and our country, of course it is. we ve been in a sorrowful place for a while. i d much rather have a president who didn t break and abuse all of our norms, but now that we do have one, i m very happy that we are at the point as david said calling the thing what it is. and your position is you don t support impeaching trump because you disagree with him politically, because of his actions. right. of course not. i didn t agree with george bush. i didn t agree with a whole bunch of republican presidents but they did not, to my knowledge, do all of these horrible, obviously impeachable offenses. and, you know, i applaud the democratic members who came out, the ones who are in republican-leaning districts who are, you know, more vulnerable than people like nancy pelosi and jerry nadler and said, look, we can t stand for this anymore. i think that is what helped put her, you know, at ease to say, okay, we need to do this. do you think that s sort of the hidden story of this? they have deliberately stayed off the spotlight. they stay off sometimes tv. but they came out, as you say. yeah, i think it helped. that was part of the dam breaking, was having some more moderate, some of these national security freshmen coming out and saying this is ridiculous, we have to do something. no one sells going to stop this president unless we do it. since we ve come on the air we ve been tabulating the growing caucus backing impeachment probe. it s now up to 187. that is more than it was ten minutes ago. but you know who was not doing a happy dance in public was speaker pelosi. she emphasized the sadness of it. take a look. it s really a sad day for our country, actually. i feel very sad about it. and i hope that the republicans will join us, as they have joined in the senate in unanimous consent, passing passing a resolution for the release of the information. i hope the republicans will join us in doing that tomorrow. but this is a sad day. michelle, we don t sit here as armchair emotional experts, but her stated sadness is consistent with what she has said publicly, which is that this was not her first instinct or her second or her third. the story we re getting from the speech s office in the reporting we re doing and heidi was sharing this and we ve heard this today before i came on the air is they weren t planning to go this way. she didn t want to do this. schiff and the whistle-blower took it up a notch. i ve been speaking to people in congress who have been genuinely frustrated and thought she was genuinely trying to pour cold water on jerry nadler s efforts to keep the option of reporting out articles of impeachment alive. she did not want this. i think she s i think she thought and probably still does think that it s bad politics that she wanted, you know she s a master legislator. what she has wanted to is legislate since taking the majority. they ve passed all of these, you know, pretty excellent bills that have gone nowhere and there s been a lot of frustration that they haven t been able to break through, but, you know, you can t legislate in this environment, right? it s like trying to renovate a house that s on fire. so i think that although she s clearly sad that we ve gotten to this point, i don t think there s anything wrong with being profoundly relieved that she now recognizes and that there is now consensus about the gravity of the national emergency that we re in. yeah, i agree 100%, and i do think that people will give nancy pelosi credit for thinking about what this means politically and i don t think that s a terrible thing to say that about the leader of the house caucus. that she needs to think about what this means in political terms, but at the end of the day, when the house is on fire, sometimes you have to put aside the renovation projects as you say to go with that metaphor a little bit longer and fix the problem. you re getting very close to david corn s sweet spot. i don t want to get too musical on such a big news night, david, but we re very perilously close to a talking heads burning down the house reference. i was thinking of a song by nas trust. which has a great line. i wanted to get it right. if you re scared to take chances, you ll never have the answers. well, now we have a full-fledged investigation that we ll get to the bottom hopefully of ukraine. business maybe even the senate will participate and this will give impetus to the other investigations that the democrats have really failed i think in a major way to keep center stage and to tell the story of trump s various corruptions to the american public. under the impeachment umbrella as we re calling it now, hopefully they ll have more success in telling in sharing with the public all these details that can so often get lost in the chaos and disinformation that trump spreads. well, shout-out to nas. jason, who knew the road to washington led through queens bridge? well, i mean, look, i ll add snoop. it don t stop. we re at 187 on the impeachment clock. wow. wok. wow. as the rest of the night goes on you can tell we re not taking commercials because everyone is losing it. but it s going to keep going. here s what i think is really critical, honestly, about putting that number up, ari. you don t want to be the last person to come forward. yeah, we ll put up the 187 is just in the last ten minutes, literally. we ll put that back up. go ahead, jason. exactly. so as everybody sees this number, those vulnerable members, their staffers are calling them now, look, it s at 187. we could be 192. nobody s going to get mad at us for that. right? so the building of this momentum is a huge part of why not only pelosi kind of knew this was the point that everybody was at, but it s also an opportunity for people who might have been vulnerable, who might for peoplt have been vulnerable, might have been nervous i m guessing the last people who will come forward and officially announce will come from very blue, very safe districts which will allow them to provide cover. but it s still a bit of a task. it s not a burden in the hand yet to get those 31 votes. no kidding. she was waiting i think to get closer before considering what she did today. but the ukraine scandal forced her hand and created more momentum. we ve reported it. news viewers have been following this. everyone does remember her saying well we re not close to a majority, that s a hypothetical. that was only a few months ago. and then when pressed is this an impeachment probe, she said what do you mean, i concede, this is what we re doing. she was basically trying to get some credit for impeachment. there has been a shift, where does it end? i don t know. jason johnson, thanks for being with us. the rest of the panel stays and i want to talk about a diplomat as we talk about the rest of this story. donald trump saying now he will actually release notes to his staff of his call with the president of ukraine. he hasn t done it yet. it comes after trump spent several days completely dancing around the issue, including whether he abused taxpayer funds in his plot to get his rival investigated. delaying military aid given the whistle-blower complaint p. i didn t delay anything. we paid the military aid to the best of my knowledge. we send so much money not only to ukraine but other places, and why isn t germany spending more money, why isn t france, why aren t other countries in europe helping ukraine more? why is it always the united states? as far as withholding funds, those funds were paid, they were fully paid. but my complaint has always been and i ll with hold again and i ll continue to with hold as such time europe and other nations contribute to ukraine, because they re not doing it. it s the united states. trump bobbing and weaving while his personal attorney rudy giuliani admits there was a personal process to pressure ukraine for these benefits and he s claiming it was at the request of the state department. the state department called me and said would i take the two or three to the president-elect to now the president, and i talked to him and he gave me enormously important facts. i conveyed them all to the state department. unlike the media lies, fake news i wasn t operating on my own. i m joined now by the former u.s. ambassador to russia. is the president now saying he will release ukrainian call notes tomorrow, something you said you had concerns about that becoming a precedent. your view of that and the wider issues tonight. ari, i m 100% against that. i was ambassador to moscow but worked three years at the national security council with president obama, worked lots of calls and a president of the united states, a democrat, republican, needs to conduct diplomacy without having to release transcripts of that. if we do this, that means every prime minister or president that talks to either president trump or the future will now self-sensor themselves. i m against it on that ground but i m especially against it because it s a divisionary tactic. we need to know what is in the complaint from the whistle-blower. and i think it is naive. i think it s way to premature to assume that everything that that whistle-blower did and was worried about was just this one phone call. i have my your view is i think it s wrong. your view if someone that high up in the u.s. government risking everything not only their career but they re investigating the investigators, andrew mccabe the former fbi acting director said they tried to get an and someone took that risk from just a few notes from one call. you think they have a bigger plot and that s why that whistle-blower needs to face congress. i don t know. i do know one thing, it s bad to release transcripts of presidential calls. that s a bad pres dependent, and it is the law to release the whistle-blower complaint to the u.s. congress. it s not that they should. it is the law. the second point is really important. again, i m not an intelligence officer but i worked for five years with many people in the intelligence community. these are patriots. these are hard core patriots. you do not take this action lightly. i think you re right, it s likely career ending for whoever this person is. and so just for me to think this is based on one phone call, i ve just got to believe there s more to this story and we need to have the whole story. you re doing the analysis of being in these rooms where most of us have not been in. you re not reporting out information in the sense of what is known, but i think it s very telling as a way to help us understand. and also the whistle-blower complaint is what the administration is hiding. even violating the law. the notes to the call is not what they re hiding. it s what the president is tweeting about. you know, i ve been alive long enough in the trump era to know the stuff he s tweeting about is more in his interest. and the facts they re hiding might be the facts congress should look at without prejudging what s in there. ambassador, stay with me. richard, i want to read to you when you think about the congressional interplay here, the breaking news coming fast and furious. chairman schiff now putting out this new statement, posting it online as folks do to twitter. it s bad enough trump sought help from a foreign power in the last election. worst still he obstructed the investigation. now he s using his office to coerce another country to interfere in 2020. i fully support impeachment inquiry. richard, your view of this as it relates to where that inquiry goes. i think ambassador mcfalls put hisfier right on it. we need to see the report from the whistle-blower. at great risk as has been said here, this individual who is no doubt a senior person who has served in different administrations has taken the responsibility of analyzing what wept on in that call and perhaps other things that are included in the report and decided that it must be revealed. pursuant to the law. and now we have unanimity in the senate. let s take a look at it, and then we ll be able to determine how serious this is in consideration of the cumulative effect of what has gone before this by this president. as we draw to a close a very busy hour i want to do something we sometimes do on big nights which is a bit of a factual lightening round, and i want to ask each of you in a single sentence to wrap it up for us and reflect what did speaker pelosi do or accomplish tonight. for viewers joining us of course the speaker came out for the first time, addressed the nation and says she is backing an impeachment inquiry into the sitting president and that has skyrocketed the number of democrats who now support that inquiry. they are within 35 votes of having a standing majority to impeach the president should they decide to do that. let s go around with a sentence each. michelle, what did the speaker do tonight? i think she finally held him accountable. i mean, he s been unleashed since the end of the mueller investigation. if nothing else, the fact of this investigation could potentially curtail his worst instincts. daniel? i agree. i think she started the accountability clock. i think also she has started to really unite her caucus around this. david? with the addition of a new scandal she s finally made it a priority of the democrats in congress to tell the story about trump s multiple corruptions. ambassador mcfall? it s a necessary action to preserve our democracy but it s also a sad day. i agree with speaker pelosi, this is not an exciting day for me. this is sad day and a sad moment in american history. richard? speaker pelosi has taken an important step in alerting the country and alerting her caucus to the fact that she has now put her standing behind a full investigation that could that could lead to the impeachment of the president. i want to give a special thanks to each of the panelists you see on your screen and everyone who joined us for an hour of rollicking breaking new coverage here on msnbc. thanks to all of you. let me tell you where we are here at the end of this hour. the speaker of the house has endorsed this impeachment probe uniting the work of several committees. the republican ins the senate who are often heckled for their lack of response in anything trump does has joined in that vote for the whistle-blower complaint and now 188 democrats in the house now backing impeachment. if it feels like things are basically accelerating, they are. if you ask what happens next, does this mean there will be an impeachment vote as our experts
and that brings this hour to lewandowski has agreed to come in. we expect to have him come in a close. this month. i will see you tonight at we have additional witnesses we 8:00 p.m. eastern and then will be interviewing some using tomorrow at 1:00 eastern and staff to interview and others we ll have them come during a public hearing. again at 3:00 p.m. eastern. this is all to educate the deadline: white house with american people. nicolle wallace begins now. there already is a mountain of hi, everyone. evidence that donald trump it s 4:00 in new york. committed multiple felonies. not even a trip to the pentagon congressman, do you to honor the victims of 9/11 on understand the critique that the this solemn anniversary slowed southern district of new york found donald trump to have the president s steady stream of committed a felony campaign complaints and attacks today. most of those grievances aired finance violation in their investigation that robert mueller found donald trump on his twitter feed became likely to have committed ten positively undone about a fresh criminal acts of obstruction of hound of head to head polls that justice and that it s this time show him losing to nearly half a to educate the public may have dozen democrats. been squandered? but he also found time in an the so we know if you look at what happened during watergate, oval office meaning to insult his nearly departed third it takes a while to get all the national security adviser and to facts out to the public. go after the press for revealing i wish everyone would watch your that the attacks on the weather show on msnbc. that s not the case. service that corrected trump s we do have to continue to highlight these issues. erroneous alabama forecast came from the president and his chief of staff. and it s something to have that s a whole hoax by the marryings, do the investigations and bring the facts forward to fake news media when they talk about the hurricane and when they talk about florida and when the american people. they talk about alabama. we do spend a lot of time that s just fake news. talking about donald trump s criminality because of its right from the beginning it was a fake story. abundance. and on the question of corruption that seems to have and you know what that means, replaced the russia cloud that real as can be. he often talked to, the but it s those polls that show corruption cloud is the new one donald trump s political hanging over him. standing may be reaching a low i think if you can attribute his point that s leading to a sinking poll numbers to stories presidential unraveling. like turnberry to trying to here are those polls. donald trump loses to joe biden corrupt the national weather in head to head polling by 15 service to something i think your committee s going to look points. at, dangling of pardons in front donald trump loses to bernie sanders by nine points. of people who break the laws in donald trump losing to elizabeth carrying out his desired warren and kamala harris by immigration policies. what s the strategy on that larger umbrella of corruption seven points. donald trump loses to mayor pete and criminality inside the buttigieg should he be the federal government? nominee by four points. so, democrats have been the head to head polls we are running on an agenda of three reflecting with the latest presidential approval number items. it was health care, infrastructure, and the third reveals that trump s squandered one was getting rid of corruption. summer has taken a toll. and i think you re absolutely he slumped six points and he s right that this is bringing down back in the 30s nearing his his poll numbers. what we see in the polls is it lowest approval rating ever. doesn t matter if you re a the washington post notes, democrat or republican or quote, president trump trails independent, you don t like corruption. what the american people are seeing is donald trump profiting potentialal democratic challenges. with approval ratings as low as off the presidency getting money for the trump organization for trump s are today. that is where we start with some him and his family and having of our favorite reporters and friends. the u.s. military do these stops with us from the new york so they can stay at his luxury times white house correspondent amy kearney. resort in scotland and then getting the weather service to nbc news correspondent heidi put false facts out there when their folks in birmingham have przybyla. msnbc correspondent garrett the real facts. haake. and at the table charlie sykes, so this is very troubling to editor in chief of the american people. break down the vote tomorrow. conservative news and opinion what does it mean, what does it website the bulwark. help you do? and eddie glaude. it allows us to have certain let me start with you. procedures in terms of reviewing grand jury testimony, having staff do interviews. it will expedite their there are presidential tells. one of them is sort of his inability to restrain himself. continuing impeachment inquiry that we ve been in. congressman ted lieu, thank it s almost one of those obliterated norms that we are so you for spending time with us. used to, it barely registers. i know you re busy. i don t have any recollection of after hiring a national any past president using this security adviser became a anniversary and sort of between reality, a game of who s up and events which donald trump did who s down, national security attend to honor the anniversary officials made life and death decisions on days like today. ci. of 9/11 attacking his rivals on 3 out of 4 people achieved. his twitter feed and in that .90% clearer skin at 4 months. oval office meeting we showed. .after just 2 doses. well, yes. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections. i mean, we ve seen him fire off .and lower your ability to fight them. tweets when he s traveling before treatment your doctor should check you abroad on foreign soil, picking for infections and tuberculosis. political fights at home. tell your doctor if you have an infection. this is a somber day of .or symptoms such as fevers,. .sweats, chills, muscle aches or coughs. remembrance and trump had events and on twitter we see where his .or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. mind really is which is on this i feel free to bare my skin. poll. these kinds of events when it visit skyrizi.com. calls for a nation coming together and remembering, fighting on twitter about polls is more naturally where he tends to be. one thing that struck me about his tweet was the statement that he said i haven t even started campaigning, which that was what stood out to me the most there. first of all he had a kickoff rally in orlando in june which felt funny at the time because it was a kickoff to a campaign that had never really stopped for the past two years. he s been campaigning the whole time. he launched his re-election campaign days after his inauguration. and more and more we see official white house events looking indistinguishable from campaign events. yesterday he gave a speech about hbcu s historically black colleges and universities. he talked about how he would (classical music playing throughout) poll with african-american voters and sympathy for the devil his campaign sunk play after he left the stage. so that really struck me that he says i haven t even started. he s never stopped. that s such a good point. what s so amazing is that axios had the schedules, and, annie, you and your colleagues have done extensive reporting and do on a nearly daily basis that there is no governing on his schedule ever. there is an occasional photo op to lend the appearance to governing but there s no actual governing that happens. for better or for worse, his critics may be relieved to hear that. i mean, his schedule is a fluid thing where he sits in the oval or in the dining room off the oval and watches tv and calls people in as they come and policymaking does not have a structured process and is done on the fly. but, yeah. i mean, what he understands is a head-to-head political fight and that s what he has ahead of him. and everything, many battles, policies about right now are about his re-election. garrett haake, i think that what is revealed in this round of head to heads and some of the sinking approval ratings is that it blows out of the water this idea that nothing matters to his base. that may be true with the base, but the base isn t 44% of america. it s somewhere south of 38% of americans. and certainly his conduct and the idea that sort of the mueller cloud has been replaced by an almost darker cloud of corruption and incompetence, that has sent his poll numbers to some of the lowest of his presidency. yeah. i mean, you look at those numbers coming out of texas. and i would largely discount a donald trump is now casting lot of the head to head numbers. a bout his fourth national this is before a dime has been spent on advertising and the general election which i think security adviser in less than three years. on a day like today the we raelds is probably going to anniversary of 9/11, it s a be one of the most negative elections one of us have ever seen. way to sell it, garrett. reminder of just how much that way to get me excited. job matters. condoleezza when the towers were [ laughter ] reporter: okay, everybody, hit was by president bush s side tune in. no, i mean, look, the as he plotted the next moves. president s numbers are stagnant even in a place like texas. outline what did kind of person he has completely turned off the she hopes will be in the position next. suburban voters in the state. in harris county, suburban somebody with integrity, houston where i am right now, somebody with judgment, somebody all the dallas suburbs we started to see this in 2018 when who recognizes that being a lot of these seats flipped to the democrats. national security adviser is not we are going to see more of a solo endeavor. those probably flipping in 2020 i liken it to being a point with all these republican retirements that we ve seen around the state here. guard leading a basketball team. a lot of the key issues that i write about that in my book. drums that president trump like it is a team sport. to bang on don t play that well and we don t seem to have had in texas. that of late. this is a state that is but trump s national security enormously dependent on trade adviser isn t the only spot he has to fill. here. many own trump s national they have been nearly bulletproof through the security team are just empty. recession. texas has gotten through that just fine. but the trade war makes people samanthapower, former u.n. nervous here. ambassador under obama, stressed and the immigration rhetoric the important of these jobs to our colleague rachel maddow last doesn t work here either. night. these jobs exist for a texans know mexicans. reason. that is our next door neighbor yes, there can be too much here. there is just a complete divorce bureaucracy. but to have senior people around between the rhetoric the the room who tell i hope this president uses about immigration happens in some room somewhere and what texans including in the trump administration, it s not evident that it does, republicans and independents see and feel every day. but where you have people with so, yes, i think the border crisis, the images of kids in different viewpoints who challenge propositions that are cages in texas cities is far at the table, bringing their more damaging to president trump different life experiences, among the voters he would like their different so-called to reach here than anything about mueller or russia or how equities, it s the complete opposite. he got elected in 2016 ever was here why did bolton lose his job? because he actually disagreed. or would be. so this is a day, is a hard and for anyone listening in their car or while you were day for all of the national security folks who worked for talking, garrett, donald trump george w. bush. at only 45% approval. i ve been in touch with a lot of 50% disapproval. i want to ask you about guns. them today. you were in the government on i can t believe i m about to 9/11. utter this sentence. talk about it. i also had the privilege of but over the summer, you covered two mass shootings in the state supervising the prosecution of of texas. how has the gun issue changed if the nev9/11 conspiracy in the at all in the state of texas? eastern district of virginia. this is a hard day for many reporter: it s really interesting. number one, we re seeing the reasons. to susan rice s point, right, it democratic voters across the is a point guard analogy. country are now saying this is the most important issue to the national security adviser them. in texas the shooting in el paso oversees the national security and then again in odessa got a council, don t forget that. this is a group of men and women ton of news coverage here locally even beyond what we were with deep experience throughout talking about nationally. the government in national security matters. and so the idea is not to be the we saw the governor of the state convene these panels to dust it, not a lot has come from that so voice of national security, it s to be the orchestrator of the far. but texans have been super american response when national dialled in on it. i interviewed four of the security crises arise. democrats who were running to be the candidate to take on john like the attacks of 9/11. thank goodness we had cornyn in the senate here next year. condoleezza rice in that seat. all of them had far more this structure, by the way, the progressive gun control policies national security council was than i think you would ever see built after world war ii when in the state of texas. there was a good bit of three out of of the four said they were in favor of mandatory freelancing going on. it turned out fine, by the way. buy-backs for assault weapons. we won, thank god. everybody is on board with universal background checks. but the whole idea was to create that would have gotten you a structure in which an organized and thoughtful thrown out of events here in the response could be crafted. and that s what susan rice and state of texas six years ago, maybe four years ago. that s what condoleezza rice you saw a little bit of the beto got. o rourke campaign for senate in steve hadley was another, the 2018 pushing the limits on that. other national security adviser the conversation has flipped who worked for george w. bush. dramatically in a state that has there s a selflessness about more guns than any other state. people, condoleezza rice and susan rice became household but where responsible gun owners are saying this doesn t work the names because of some of the way we have this set up now. events that transpired on their heidi, how is that impacting watch. the debate in congress? but what s so uncomfortable about watching this it would seem that democrats who administration and having the have been frustrated. kind of debates that you talked i mean, president obama put the about should they say or go, should they talk or not talk, is entire weight of his presency that the arsonist is the behind gun control after the president of the united states. tragedy in newtown, but nothing and so we can talk around that. happened. it s fine. lots of days we have to, and we it would seem that in it s the should. parkland kids becoming activists but the bottom line is whether and sort of looking at the you love or hate john bolton, grownups in the room like, you whether you agree or disagree know, wtf or if it s the crush with every policy position he s ever, ever held, it s my and the pace and the clip of understanding from multiple mass shootings or if it s sources, he carried around a parents looking around at their fire extinguisher. kids when they come back from preschool having active shooter well, the other thing he did which undermines the whole drills, it feels like the process i mean, the national political tide is turning in security adviser, the usual favor of gun control efforts. narrative is it s an honest it does feel like there is a shift in intensity, nicole. broker. part of that is there s a structure of how you look at i was there after newtown issues using the national covering that gun control debate. and actually the first thing to security council. the principles committee, the deputies committee, that was all started under bush 41. happen that was the death canal for that legislation was the bolton got rid of that entire fact that red state democrats process. he was not he was a terrible were so scared that they national security adviser wouldn t support it. because he s an ideologue, not a and so then it was hard for point guard or an honest broker, democrats to then go to even and because he undermined the moderate republicans and get process whereby expertise and them on board with the legislation because the fear of opinion could come up through the nra and the backlash was so the national security council to get to the president. that s a problem. pervasive. that s going to be a problem no you flash forward now to where matter who the national security adviser is now. and i guess that problem is the ground swell of activism, structural. the other problem is a president who s simply riding, you know, the intensity is really on the side of the gun safety community. is it mom s demand action? coochie coos for kim jong-un. yes. is it the parkland students? yes. they are all making their voices heard. and it is also the public, which i m not sure. is starting to shift as well on i went to principles meetings for gwac, on terrorist issues like the assault weapons principles meeting for shutting ban which has been expired for down gitmo, i m sure you did, decades. too, because it didn t happen and i just talked to actually a under our administrations. i m not sure you need a policy prominent democratic senator process to improve upon this last night, nicole, who s been working on this gun issue. president s foreign policy debacle. the taliban should if trump he says that a number of had his way the taliban would republicans have privately approached him because they are have been a campaign incentive. really. remember he started bannon scared. they want the president to bring something forward on background gave us i keep going back to that moment. checks. they are worried about their own bannon gave us the three boxes. political hides. one of them was to deconstruct and so the question is whether the president is going to show the administrative state. leadership here because mitch mcconnell has made clear he s all these acting folks, has had not putting anything on the floor that the president won t a clear and direct impact on sign. foreign policy, right. this president after every only trump can fix it. massacre seems to have a which means in interesting sorts familiar pattern where he flirts of ways that he s had to in some and says that he s going to do ways, in some ways eviscerate background checks, and then the all of these processes, these nra gets a hold of him, shakes structures, these departments him back into obedience, and he that have in some ways been key pulls back. to our safety. i don t think they shake very the key is donald trump. hard, charlie. as you point out, he s the it s still galling though, and i arsonist-in-chief. believe every word that heidi s this was a terrible appoint to name john bolton. reporting. but what in we re afraid of is he was not suit for the job and their political fate. obviously had a different world they re not galled or they don t view. the reason he did it was because publicly speak about being he saw him on tv, and think gauled by the clip of killings about this how central he argued for positions that of innocence. donald trump didn t agree with. and think about all of the the fundamental dynamics of foreign policy, major foreign this, the politics have not policy initiatives that are basically just reality tv shows changed because donald trump is going to run a base-only election. i think that he s afraid and in donald trump s mind, whether he s been told that this would it is, you know, the kim jong-un rattle his base. summit or this notion of look, you know, take those head bringing the taliban to camp david. but the heart of this is that to head national poll numbers for what they re worth. there is no plan, there is no but also notice that in those strategy, it is only donald swing states that he won from hillary clinton, those numbers trump s impulses. are much, much closer. and i think he s becoming more and more comfortable going with this election s not going to be decided in california. the impulses, and those impulses it s not going to be decided in can be very, very dangerous. new york. it s going to be decided in going back to the question of places like ohio, wisconsin, should he speak out, if in fact pennsylvania, and michigan. and this issue will play these impulses are going to make differential there in some of the country less safe, i think the higher loyalty, higher those areas. patriotism, is the guys like you don t see it shifting? you got gun owners in favor of john bolton need to speak out about that because nobody else around him apparently is going background checks. to be restraining him. you got gun owners i mean, pompeo is out there overwhelmingly in favor of red flag laws. and they always have been. smiling and chortling because but there is this fear of going up against that hardcore intense he s won this bureaucratic war. he s next. he s going to find this out, as base that the nra represents. well, that donald trump does not now, i mean, we could be shocked want to have smart people who disagree with him. by donald trump. i think it s also sort of to but donald trump so far has not allowed any daylight between himself and the nra the our one of the weaknesses hardliners on all of this. and if he doesn t move, the that these conversations is to suggest that the foreign policy republican party s not going to has been hit and miss. move on all of this. and then i think they re going the foreign policy has been an to pay a huge price at the unadulterated debacle. polls. i think just to focus on exactly. right. we ve gotten nowhere as a donald trump s weakness would be country in terms of the threat a mistake. that north korea represents. this is also about the strength we ve gotten nowhere as a of the democratic field. you ve got five candidates from country after pulling out of the joe biden who just crushes iran deal. we ve gotten nowhere in the donald trump. and i understand the limitations middle east, doesn t represent any sort of american values at of national head to head numbers. i ve touted them when it s been all. he s supposedly the closest ally my candidate on top. on the world stage. i ve dismissed them when it s he s moving us backward in every been my candidate on the bottom. way. i would love to hear from bob but the truth is indicators are corker who s no longer in the indicators, and the indicator is united states senate, as chairman of the you know, the that at least five democrats what was it the foreign beat donald trump handily. it allows us to put aside at relations committee. republicans in the senate, they least for a moment the question don t know this. in congress, they are looking at of electability as a way of this, they are looking at this determining who we should foreign policy that s left us support in the democratic field. more isolated and less because usually at least the argument in the preseason has been biden is the one who can respected. and of course this weird beat trump. fascination with the worst well now we have evidence, at decktators in the world. least the polls have been he likes their handle on the consistent to show that at least produce press, i guess. five, six people can beat trump. we ll be right back. ess, i guess we ll be right back. banjo? so then the question then becomes what are we to consider? do we need to consider where (man) hey. they stand on health care, go home. immigration, how far left are (woman) banjo! they going? where are they centrist? sorry, it won t happen again. where do they stand in the internal debate within the come on, let s go home. party? then the third issue i think all of this boils down to turnout. it s going to be a base after 10 years, we ve covered a lot of miles. election. good thing i got a subaru. we know what really is going to (man) looks like you got out again, huh, banjo. matter here is whether or not (avo) love is out there. find it in a subaru crosstrek. donald trump can expand his base and where he can get those rural but we re also a cancer fighting, voters to come out in massive numbers. this is what we saw innapecial . hiv controlling, we saw donald trump come down, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. generate some excitement. then we saw all of these folks from the day you re born show up. and it had an impact. we never stop taking care of you. even with regards to those suburban voters who had turned their nose against donald trump. and this is key. thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer his strategy at least it seems to me is to expand his base, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. those white voters who don t ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr+/her2- breast cancer vote who are disaffected, and who he appeals to by way of some that has spread to other parts of the body - of the ugly things. and the other thing and meaning it s metastatic - garrett mentioned how negative as the first hormonal based therapy. this campaign is going to be. donald trump knows he doesn t ibrance plus letrozole significantly have to win this election. delayed disease progression versus letrozole. he has to have the democrats lose it. patients taking ibrance can develop he s got to have you know, in low white blood cell counts which may cause serious infections that can lead to death. 2016 among voters who hated both before taking ibrance, candidates they broke heavily tell your doctor if you have fever, for him. i think you re going to have a chills, or other signs of infection, big chunk of voters who are liver or kidney problems, are pregnant, breastfeeding, going to dislike both candidates by election day on 2020. or plan to become pregnant. and so the question is can common side effects include low red blood cell and donald trump run a negative low platelet counts, infections, tiredness, enough campaign to paint the nausea, sore mouth, democrats as more of a threat to abnormalities in liver blood tests, the republic than he is? diarrhea, hair thinning or loss, vomiting, and i think that s going to be rash, and loss of appetite. at the heart of his strategy. annie karni, you and your be in your moment. colleagues in the paper and on ask your doctor about ibrance. your twitter feeds are pretty expert at sort of deciphering donald trump. i ve seen a lot of notes in the last sort of 36 hours about how to tell what really bothers him. and it would appear that when it came to john bolton, it had less to do with policy differences. like very high triglycerides, and other than loving putin and can be tough. you diet. exercise. wanting to have the taliban at but if you re also taking fish oil supplements, camp david. you should know, but he s mad about the idea or they are not fda-approved, they may have saturated fat and the allegation or the belief may even raise bad cholesterol. that bolton leaked about him. and when it comes to these to treat very high triglycerides, discover the science of prescription vascepa. polls, i think that it s been pointed out to me that he s proven in multiple clinical trials, aware of his weak political vascepa, along with diet, standing at the moment. but it s the coverage of the is the only prescription epa treatment, polls that so enrages him. approved by the fda to lower same with the democrats that he s not convinced that very high triglycerides by 33%, socialism wouldn t sell to some elements of his base, maybe some without raising bad cholesterol. working class white men that he look. it s clear. counts on that he s not there s only one prescription epa vascepa. convinced it wouldn t be is vascepa is not right for everyone. that all of it is sort of stage do not take vascepa if you are allergic to icosapent ethyl or craft that none of it at this any inactive ingredient in vascepa. point means much of anything to this president. tell your doctor if you are allergic to fish or shellfish, someone made the point that i have liver problems or other think is a really good one that medical conditions and about if you want to think about who any medications you take, especially those that may donald trump is most afraid of affect blood clotting. in terms of the democratic 2.3% of patients reported joint pain. field, it s whoever they are ask your doctor about vascepa. talking about on tv the most in prescription power. that moment. proven to work. that so much of how he thinks is reacting to coverage, and it always is. you brought up the bolton thing. the final straw according to our reporting was that bolton the latest season of chuck appeared to try to sort of leak rosenburg s amazing podcast the that he had disagreed with trump about the meeting at camp david oath is out. he talks to one of the with the taliban and also leaked this idea that pence had agreed prosecutors who helped convicted with him and not the president. this was the final straw. 9/11 s ma soui. the leaking, the appearing in thanks to everyone, and most of public to break with the all, thank you for watching. president or contradict him. that does it for us. but, yeah, he s watching how these people are playing. npt daily with chuck todd in terms of the campaign, the starts now. campaign operatives who are seasoned to some degree still believe that biden would be the biggest challenge for them in the race. the hardest candidate to make if it s wednesday, how the the socialism argument against republican win last night in north carolina could signal big the one who could most appeal to trouble for the president and some of trump s base and take his party, particularly in an that away from him. important swing state. so, yes, the polls show that all plus, as congress gets ready for a major vote on impeachment, of the candidates are beating him now. we ll speak with a democrat in charge of getting more democrats biden obviously would not have elected to the house. the same grassroots appeal among and what did the president democratic voters and who is to say he gets out the same kind of vote elizabeth warren would. noaa and when did he noaa it? but from the trump campaign s a report draws a straight line from trump to the perspective, he still is mentioned to me most as the hardest challenger for trump. because he threatens that coalition. he threatens to appeal to the same kind of voters that trump appeals to. all right. we have some breaking oh, go ahead, annie. i was just going to make one more point about the negatives sorry, you know, in terms of trying to drag his opponents or drive them up. he will never have an opponent whose negatives are as high as hillary clinton s were. that was a unique race where both candidates were really both had like upside down numbers. both were really disliked. and both voters had strong opinions of both of them that were hard and fast. and it was hard to change those. he will not have an opponent where there is a view quite like there was with hillary clinton. all right. i m going to act out that breaking news graphic. breaking news we are learning this hour the trump administration will not grant temporary protected status to people from the bahamas displaced by hurricane dorian. the news comes as authorities there announce that there are at least 2,500 people missing, 2,500 people, as a result of hurricane doran. nbc new s julia ainsley is here with more. i ve watched your reporting yesterday on morning joe and other places and it would appear that the worst-case scenario for the victims of this hurricane has come to pass. tell us about it. reporter: it is, nicole. so temporary protected status has been granted at this point to ten countries. there are over 300,000 people in the united states now with temporary protected status. they have left things like haiti s 2010 earthquake and they are allowed to live here and work here until the u.s. has determined it s safe to return for their country. how is that possible? i m just looking at these pictures while you are talking. how is that possible, julia? reporter: it s not that it doesn t compare to some of the devastation we have seen elsewhere. it s that this administration has a completely different way of looking at temporary protected status. there have been people with different groups that they have revoked temporary protected status to, even though they know the conditions and they aren t given the advice in the reports to show that the conditions have changed at all. they will still revoke this temporary protected status. what they do have is a way for people from the bahamas to come here temporarily on visas, that is if they can find their passports and visas in the middle of all of this destruction, they can come to the united states temporarily. but it s very temporary and they cannot work. a temporary protected status would allow someone really to stay in the country for years, sometimes ten or 15 years we ve seen people stay. and they really plug into the community and almost become like americans after they leave this country. so that will not be granted to the people from this place, which is devastating for them. if they re going to try to wait out however long it takes for the recovery of such devastation, they are going to need to be able to work in order to do that. and right now the united states is saying that the state department will not be authorizing or requesting temporary protected status on their behalf. it s unbelievable. garrett, you said a couple minutes ago that the immigration issue cuts differently in texas. i mean, i don t think that warning or scaring or fearmongering about people from the bahamas sounds like a particularly winning message in any battleground state, let alone in texas. is this the sort of kind of overreach on a topic like immigration that you re hearing on the campaign trail may have gone too far for some voters? we ll have to wait and see. i wonder if something like this just becomes part of the drip, drip, drip of whatever the latest sort of off the wall thing from the white house is that people start to tune out. it is wholly consistent with every other restrictionist immigration policy that this president has made. i have a hard time imagining that any democrat or democrat-leaning voter who didn t think the president s immigration policies were crazy before would look at this and think, ah-hah, perhaps this is the moment he s gone too far. but it is fully in line with what democrats have said is essentially a totally heartless immigration policy. and i m sure we will hear more about it from the democratic candidates. i mean, i guess the difference is no one in the bahamas was trying to come here. their homes were obliterated. the pictures that we re showing looks like a nuclear blast. so the difference between sort of the bucket of cruel immigration policies is that no one from the bahamas was trying to come here for a better life. they were happy in the bahamas by and large. but they are now homeless because their homes have been wiped out. so politics aside, this is evil, this is cruel. any idea of the country as kind of this moral beacon to the world, this contradicts it quite clearly. this is what made america great is that we were always there at moments like this, you know? not for black people. and i m going to apologize in advance for this. donald trump thinks of the bahamas as a [ bleep ] hole country. he doesn t want people from those countries to come here. and so, yeah, it is hard to escape that because it is the kalousness, it is the cruelty. it is the unchristian attitude. i was about to say that. where are the christians in all this. but what is your christianity if you look at those pictures and say we are not there for you. we are not going to provide some sort of assistance for you? so it s unamerican, it s unchristian, and unfortunately i do think that there will be people who will be disgusted by this. i don t know how many people will be disgusted by it. but you re right. and i think at the same time, charlie, there will be a whole bunch of people who won t. we know that. and we ask ourselves the question what does that say about who we are because that s cruel. that s not only cruel. that s evil. and we need to call it for what it is. that s evil. it s certainly unbelievable. my thanks to julia ainsley, annie karni, heidi przybyla, and garrett haake. thank you all for spending some time with us. we are grateful. after the break we have our answer to who called the code red on the weather service. new reporting takes it all the way to the top like the guy in the office with no corners top. and the house judiciary committee is off and running on gun control and on donald trump s alleged abuse of power. but with so many scandals and so little time, how can they assure the public that investigations will be completed? we ll ask a member of that committee in the center of just about every political storm in washington this week. and 9/11 drives home the crisis of all the 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washington post reveals that the white house and donald trump himself were behind threats of weather forecaster who s forecasted the weather. the white house was directly involved in pressing a federal scientific agency to repudiate the weather forecasters who contradicted president trump s alabama.t hurricane dorian that s according to several people familiar with the events. mick mulvaney, the acting white house chief of staff, told wilbur ross that alabama was not at risk. the with. april post adds that the president himself that hurricane dorian posed a significant threat to alabama as of september 1st. in contrast with the agency s forecasters were predicting at the time. that s according to senior administration officials. trump had complained for several days about the issue according to the senior official who s spoke anonymously because of the sensitivity of the matter. joining our conversation former u.s. attorney and former senior fbi chuck rosenberg and rick stengel, former managing editor at time magazine. why does this story matter? it matters for a couple of reasons. first, nicole, you would hope that there s company, a grownup somewhere who would say i m just not going to do that. what you re asking me to do doesn t make sense. i remember many years in graduate school professors saying never hire anybody who s desperate for the job. hire somebody with enough professional detachment who can walk away. that s an important thing. here s another reason why it matters. if i were president, and by the way, i d rather have a root canal every day for four years. [ laughter ] i would surround myself with the most experienced, smartest people i could find. some people think of that as the deep state. but i would want professional career civil servants with expertise in their fields. those are the people who can make or break an administration. those are the people who really know what s going on and how to execute on policy. and so undermining them strikes me not just as wrong but as incredibly foolish. i think this story matters because it s so easy to understand. he went to war against weather forecasters. in my time in government, i never met any weather forecasters because there was never any question about noaa products or documents. this is about an administration so deep down the tunnel of disinformation that they are shaking the scientists down. yes. when you were reading the preamble there and you described it as a federal scientific agency, that s what it is. it is about science. science is about facts and truth. it s about questioning facts if they re wrong and debating them. but ultimately all of those civil servants and everybody works there feels accountable to the facts and to science at large. the problem with donald trump is like in alice and wonderland, nothing is a fact until he says it s a fact. even if you are looking at it, it s wrong. so this whole you know, one of the things this disinformation that he practices is that he alone is the person who decides what is fact and what is fiction. you know, i m so upset i m foxing over my water here. but general hayden said at an event that his attacks are attacks on evidence-based sciences. law enforcement, science, the judiciary. i mean, we now have had two years since he made that prescient comment. i guess my fear is if he s willing to take a pen to a forecast where it affects the back to school plans and back-to-school shopping and the safety of the citizens of an entire state, what s he doing to, i don t know, research from the nih or classified images from the pentagon or, you know, what s he doing that we don t know about? and there s also another ominous development over that we ve seen over the last couple of weeks that the president is figuring out how he can use the levers of power. one of the things that s protected us so far has been two things, the adults in the room but also donald trump s incompetence. but imagine what a second term would be like where the president realizes i can bend all of these agencies to my will. i can tell the air force where to refuel. i can tell the department of justice, you know, who to launch anti-trust investigations or who to indict. we are seeing a president who is maybe unraveling but he s also unrestrained. so a president who you go so far as to get the weather service to support him. what other things is he going to do? because who s around the oval office saying no, and who in congress so far has basically said, no, you can t touch that hot stove? he gets away with it. even when a 22-month investigation finds willihim to committed acts of injustice. if donald trump figures this out, things can get a lot worse. because the kind of summary sentence of this is that everything and everyone must submit to his will. and to the extent to which that is true, to the extent to which it is evidenced and practiced, democracy, our democracy is in danger. everything and everyone must submit to this guy s will. let me put you on the spot as a former what it would appear john bolton did. contradicted only by the president at this point. it s what jim mattis did. it s what you did. it s what a handful of others have done. does he have an obligation to speak out? yes and no. i mean, i want to say yes because that seems like the easy answer. but i also believe any president, even perhaps a crazy one is entitled to have some degree of respect and loyalty for the position. i struggle with this. does he have to speak out? no. should he speak out? perhaps. would i like him to speak out? absolutely. and along that spectrum, nicole, i really struggle with that. people often ask that a similar question. should you stay or go? as if it s only well, it is a binary choice but as if the binary choice is obvious. or black and white. black and white, up or down, yes or no. people who i know struggle with that as well. in the end i think both of those questions are very personal questions. but the line seems to me, and i ve seen mattis said i m old-fashioned, i don t believe in criticizing or talk about a current president. i m old-fashioned too. i remember when that was the case. and i respect that. but the line is i m a patriot. if i feel that the country is being jeopardized to theaggrega standard and say something. so, i could only include i mean, he didn t say that that he doesn t feel that s the case because i can t imagine or i hope it s not true that if he felt that was the case and was still being circumspect about saying anything. well, and john bolton told nbc news 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mcconnell is standing in the way. we passed our bill in february. members had events all over the country to ask him to bring up the bill. don t ask me what we haven t done. we have done it. and if you are annoyed with my impatience, it s because people are dying while senator mcconnell hasn t acted. why don t you go ask him if he has any regrets for all the people who died because he hasn t acted. strong words from a fed-up nancy pelosi. she s waiting on mitch mcconnell who is, in turn, waiting on the president for word on what exact specific measures he would like passed for their part. democrats are trying house judiciary committee advanced three gun control measures yesterday along party lines aimed at preventing high-risk people from owning guns and banning high-capacity ammo magazines. that comes as the committee prepares to vote tomorrow on establishing hearings for impeachment, a clear escalation in that effort. but on the topic of guns no matter what they pass in committee, nothing will ultimately happen unless donald trump agrees to go along. a bipartisan group of senators made their last-ditch effort to bring him around on background checks on a phone call this afternoon. they are expecting him to make a decision tomorrow. specifics of course still up in the air. republican pat toumy described their phone as this. joining us now from capitol hill, democratic congressman ted lu, you are so busy, we are grateful that you re here. do you believe donald trump and the republicans are interested in doing anything on gun control, sir? i believe that abe ram lincoln had a right when he said public sentiment is everything. without it nothing can fail, without it nothing can succeed. we know that their policies on gun control and gun safety have not worked over many decades. and what we need is to try a new approach. that s why the house judiciary committee we passed out three gun safety measures late last night. take us through what happens next. is the strategy for them to pass and then go over to the senate? or is the strategy something less than that to shame the republicans or to get some political votes on the board? so the house of representatives already passed on a bipartisan basis a universal background checks bill to u.s. senate. it is 97% support among the american public. we are trying to put pressure on senator mitch mcconnell to take that bill up for a vote. if it goes up for a vote it will pass the u.s. senate. and our hope is that we can get that through to their presidency and have donald trump sign it. we do need the public to continue calling in to both the white house and to the u.s. senate to get them to take that bill up for a vote. let me turn to the investigations. your committee turning to what would seem like a bucket of abuse of power, largely witnesses that were named in robert mueller s report, people like don mcgahn, the former
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completely different prices the political will be volatile sions really need to act and not only claim to be doing something to try to school point that it s not enough to give me the. police are coming up us democrats face off in another presidential debate we ll talk about the candidates agenda to defeat donald trump and if any can take down the leading hopeful joe biden you just said 3 minutes ago that they would have to moderate you said they would have to run the bar are you forgetting what you said right it s really hard for. a warm welcome to all of us around the world and on p.b.s. in the united states it s great to have you with us we start the day with germany s last ditch attempt to stave off embarrassment on a global stage and little over a week at the u.n. climate action summit brings together a signature used to the paris climate accord and it is that. in new york the german chancellor angela merkel has vowed to unveil a raft of new measures designed to get germany back on track including billions of euros in investment to clean up the country s transport system that is if a coalition can t agree until now political infighting has paralyzed her climate cabinet germany s environment minister says that the government should fall if coalition parties cannot come up with the goods speaking in parliament earlier this week made an appeal for action. that s a user then a mensch right i see it as a challenge for mankind it s a question of whether we as industrialized nations are prepared to do something about her fit to print in terms of resources and consumption that industrialized nations are at the forefront of overcoming this footprint as well as stopping or reducing the rise in temperatures stick with it about 2 and stick stop to be. naturals a power base to be the climate chancellor follows a string of elections in germany and europe which show a big boost for green issues to friday s feature rallies have been a key part of the change and today protesters kept up the pressure on merkel by forming a human chain around the chancellor to did mond more action. and across the atlantic the teenager who started the global movement play to turn back let the fridays for future rally in washington taking a protest to the steps of donald trump s white house unlike chancellor merkel the u.s. president openly doubts the science of climate change and is pushing a fossil fuels agenda b.w. washington correspondent on a sun it was at the demonstration outside the white house and sent us this. she might not have attracted records of protesters but gratitude work does get attention on her trip to the united states trying to raise awareness for climate change in a country where she says that some believe it but others don t well get a tumor it wants to change exactly that and her biggest appearances still lie ahead of her with more protests an invitation to testify before congress and her participation at the climate action summit at the united nations. on of the salat there and joining me here in the studio this evening is miranda scheuer a professor of environment and climate policy good evening to you thank you very much for joining us today now we saw data to back in washington d.c. today she s the son of a young woman some people cry. the tape with force saying i m going to market in fact to you know walk the talk on climate policy to what extent germany dropped the ball on the environment well it s absolutely right that germany in the past set really high standards and really was pushing forward on climate change but we saw that some of these targets weren t being met so in some areas renewable energy chairman is really succeed in and now has about 38 percent of its electricity from renewables but on the other hand when you look at the transport sector or if you look at the building sector there s still a lot to be done in the 2020 targets that were set in the past aren t being met and you said earlier why not what went wrong for germany well i think part of the problem is that the focus was too much on a single area which was the electricity sector and building wind turbines and solar photovoltaic but not enough was being done to expand public transport and particularly to deal with the problem of coal in the system lots of carbon dioxide emissions and transport we still have a lot of cars on the road let s pick up on that point because america is called on the private sector now to invest heavily in transport she s admitted that it can they in task in her own words i mean is that the sense that there was the concern of losing this country s economic motive do you think and is transport the right area to be reforming now it has to be reformed because it s a 3rd of the emissions it needs to be reformed it s a big part of the german economy maybe 800000 jobs in the the transport sector directly and even more indirectly so it s a hard sector to change the conventional engine is actually a job motor and so now moving over to battery cars electric cars or hydrogen fuel cars will have required a lot of shifts in the entire chain of production so it s a hard shift but it has to be made and if we don t make it we can expect others to . make it either so it s a shift that has to be made in transport and of course in cold as well that is another key area and one of merkel s commission set up said that they would reduce dependence on coal by i mean 2038 i m not an expert but that strikes me as a little bit too late it s a phase to phase out so some of the coal fired power plants will be shut down before then but you re absolutely right 2038 when you see how quickly global temperatures are rising 2030 it is really very late so let s let s push it up let s make it a lot earlier and that would also help make the 2030 climate targets that are being set a little bit more manageable i mean targets the one thing what about enforcement i mean how do you police this because you only have to take a look at germany s recent economic history folks fog and for example the emissions scandal there how do you go about making sure that people stick to their commitments well something that hasn t been really done enough in the past is to really hold each ministry in each large industrial sector accountable for the achievements and to take measures when they re not meeting their goals step by step to make sure that steps are taken that they do meet them in the future and of course as we know that the actions of industrial powerhouses like germany has international consequences and ramifications especially for poor countries the world expanding deserts are not a pressing environmental issue a united nations conference in india has been looking at how to deal with the problem which is threatening food supplies in many parts of the world i want to talk about that miranda off to this report from india when priest seeing looks at the fields in his village tears come to his eyes here and how young are they used to grow millet and make a good living from it today the land is bone dry in fact 30 percent of india s land is no longer usable why because of climate change and the leeching of fields by intensive agriculture. yes i mean meddling chargin 1000 years ago our soil was fertile but then there was less and less rain and we had to irrigate. now the ground water has too many minerals in the soil is salty that s why farmers can t grow anything here anymore what do you get me a. priest saying visit his cousin arrest his family and arrest was a farmer and had taken out a loan for seeds but the harvest never came the bank would no longer accept his dry farmland as collateral then last year in arrest committed suicide now his family doesn t know how to make ends meet. yiyan that is many farmers have had to give up part out thousands of hectares of land have become infertile many families have met the state not just now russia s all the farmers in the country are suffering but nobody cares. every year 10000000 hectares of arable land are lost worldwide this is a global problem this year s un conference against desert occasion was attended by more countries than ever before india s prime minister narendra modi promised that by 2030 his country would make 26000000 hectares of land fertile again other countries want to follow suit and experts say it s high time that some countries can read. and it is actually all food that we had to pay to at the same time land is the best security of the promise have for many communities that don t have access other than land so any land to the addition would mean poverty would mean reducing income for poor communities would mean the basics of the regular migration of. reforestation irrigation intelligent land use the global community wants to reverse the earth s desert a fixation by 2030 but this will cost billions. investing on land that is floating degraded land preventing further. division from ecosystems research because topping the bleeding and secondly healing the wounds and now preach sing wants to started to certification project in his village he wants farmers to sow an old plant species to sit at least be able to get the salt out of the soil and make the fields fertile again but it will take some year ice. kind of prophecy expert miranda shreyas is still with me here in this you hear i mean as we just saw in that report the situation is clearly acute in india at times heartbreaking we saw one farmer even take his life in life but what about the situation in europe. oh we have also in europe in recent years seen more and more of big fires we have seen a loss of land we ve seen droughts here in germany and germany is a country that in the past was always thought of as a rather wet country so the climate is rapidly changing and. we re also pursuing agricultural practices here that are very intensive in terms of how they use the land so here too the combination of climate change and agricultural practices could lead to more of what we re seeing in india in the future if we re not careful i think maybe we also have to year start to think more carefully about how we use our water maybe we also need to think a little bit more if there aren t ways to irrigate when we do in more efficient ways and maybe we also have to rethink our entire food structures what we eat how we eat because it s all interconnected it is interconnected and people you know often dismiss the fact that ecology and economy also interconnected let s talk about the money then for a minute because all the economic benefits to more responsible land use oh there are so many benefits because exactly what we saw with this this india case if the land is lost than you have lost your productive base you need that that productive land in order to be able to have farms to be able to grow crowd. in order to develop thing so so it s really critical that we think of ways to make sure that we protect a landed it s also very important for bio diversity if you have healthy lands the new also or a boy likely to have healthy bio diversity so it s a combination of losses that if we don t care for the land than in the end we are really pain a very heavy price absolutely professor at miranda scheuer as from the the variance cool of public policy thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us tonight thank you the goes without saying that we must and will the flea troll the most dangerous president in their history of this country fart we martz more we martz do more well that might just be the one thing that the democratic presidential candidates in of the us can agree on the party has held its 3rd round of primaries debates in houston as part of the long process to decide who will take on president donald trump in the 2020 elections it was the 1st time that the leading candidates were all on one stage together and it soon became apparent there was stark ideological differences among the contenders these pictures aka to see if a.b.c. news tapes of a fast time in these democratic primaries front run a moderate joe biden faced his tune main challenges progressive s and as a both warren and bernie sanders korea in the united states of america we are spending twice as much per capita or on health care is the canadians or any other major country on earth this is america europe and america so want to pay twice as much as other countries and their car to health care to all people we all owe a huge debt to president obama who fundamentally transformed health care in america and committed this country to tell you everything. and now the question is how best can we improve on it and i believe the best way we can do that is we make sure that everybody gets covered by health care to support the debate took place in texas a buddhist state to mass shootings have taken place this summer alone and i wonder then that alongside health care immigration and gun control dominated that s about some lower polling candidates to come to for your co yes we re going to take your 15 great reporting thank you had thank you. but i will leave change on this issue because i have seen what the corniche creates in communities like mine i think we have to compete for talent and i am the opposite of donald trump in many ways he says build a wall i m going to say to immigrants come to america because if you come here your son or daughter can run for president committee the top 10 democratic candidates took part thursday night twice that number remain in the field the race is still young but if the democrats are to win against president trump in 2020 they will need to find a clear on such a question of what exactly that party stands for. differences. and to take a look at how the field is shaping up the standout issues i want to bring in tyson baka now fellow at the truman national security project in good to see you tyson to be here now the stage is. getting a little bit less caught it shrinking it s getting a bit more serious does that change the debate i mean i think that there were some clarity there was some clarification particularly around you know the progressives versus the moderates on health care and you know this is really the issue that is symbolic is frayed symbolism for so many democrats because of as we saw in the midterm elections of 2018 what really was the motivating factor for people to come out to vote number one issue was health age or economic issues so drawing those kind of ideological contrast here is really where we re seeing real real play out here vision as well as in the democratic party indeed i mean it was a marathon of a debate 3 hours talking about health but also other issues like guns race education as well and i sort of wonder what that says about where the country needs to go because you know you presume that the candidates are trying to on the voters concerns right well i mean clearly and but let s be honest what they re trying to do is answer democrats concerned and a lot of these issues that you just mentioned health care education justice social justice generational justice are all somewhat proxies for economic issues so people what they re doing is saying what are our anxieties what kind of social anxieties are we bringing to our relationship with our state and with each other and those are a lot of economic issues but nobody really sticks with straight on and talk about the economy itself and that is really done from strikes so to miss talking about the economy and how it s not working for everyone is probably applies here not it s a blind spot and there are actually candidates clearly elizabeth warren and bernie sanders who have tended to make this the kind of ideological fault line between the democrats and republicans in previous elections so we ll probably see that come up in future debates i want to touch a little bit more on the ideological fault line then again all of health care them because it and they i mean spoke to face this clashes right i mean let s take a listen to an exchange between bunny sound as joe biden on the issue and then i want to get your take on its worth. in the united states of america we are spending twice as much per capita on health care as the canadians or any other major country on earth this america but america so want to pay twice since march i thought the countries so that we re told there from joe biden was interesting this is america i wonder if you think that will go to theas and do you think that health care could actually become essential vote to issue in the way for example that has in european elections i think it will undoubtedly be a central issue i mean anybody who remembers the primary the inspirational primary that the world watched in 20072008 where you had barack obama versus hillary clinton the central issue in that primary was also health care again it was the 1st issue that president obama took on as his real issue that he built his presidency around so this is really an issue that the democrats are really taking on but you know this is this comes down to a really complex matter because the united states plays not just a role internally but globally as a leader in a lot of health care research funding that research creating markets for drugs and other systems good good medical systems and hospitals so this is it s really it s really quite complex it is complex i want to turn to another issue which actually i think you know we can also call a public health issue and that is gun control because iraq i mean it seems that he s been revived in the polls at least by his statements in the wake of the el paso shooting he advocated we saw on the stage for a site assault rifle by back to the government do you think that will play out well for him in the long term well what we re seeing obviously is what his strengths were in texas in the in the midterm election which is that he is in the cream extremely in pathic communicator and candidate he really connected with the the citizens of a pass of his hometown obviously but you know what he said essentially you know about this forced buy back is going to be it s more than a dog whistle. it s a siren call to those who want to protect gun rights and this could also hurt democrats in the long term this could be quite cover productive and all these issues to bring down trump essentially i mean is that what is needed. we re still early in the phases i mean clearly the pitch that these candidates are making are really to the democratic base and they re trying to give them the red meat that the republicans got in their primary campaign in 2016 the question is will they follow the conventional path and take more to the center as the general election comes to play or will they continue to really really focus on energizing their base maybe there are no swing voters any more maybe this is just about get turning out your base that s what trump s made his play on will the democrats by this i mean what s your sense tyson in terms of the nominee do you think it will be biden and his reported takedown of trump that could then school the nomination or do you think that ultimately people will go for more issues based more in for example if we re to take a lesson from yesterday s debate and if there is it was a winner a lot of people are saying it was biden what he did was basically consolidate his persona which is to say you know he hugged the obama legacy very tightly and he basically let off of our leaned on his watch that that he had built up as a 30 year legislature and politician in the democratic party for the coalition that he s built so far he knows he s already lost certain constituencies the progressives some of the educated white urban elites but he said if i can keep my constituency together that s enough to win the nomination and anything you saw last night that potentially would change the trajectory of this race i mean it was some interesting comments from my space younger candidates out there was it ana i mean obviously there was some some hot aggressive action by some 2nd tier candidates particularly in castro her who critiqued who made what was considered to be a cheap shot by many regarding oh by my dad s age and what he said you know essentially if he could remember what he had just previously but that was it seemed to kind of turn against him so i think biden kind of held his own in that right tyson voc i thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with us here on the day thank you. now the dispute over the final resting place of zimbabwe s former president robert mugabe appears to have been resolved a spokesman for the family says that they have agreed to allow him to be buried at the monument to national heroes in harare family and government had been adults over this with the family previously saying it wanted to bury him in his home village mr mugabe is currently lying in state at the roof are a football stadium in this about bain capital. and correspondent premonition hearing is that and sent us this update controversy surrounding the final resting place of the former leader. has finally been resolved now be buried at the national shrine in harare on sunday is better our arrangements with a center of discussion in the past a few days where the family insisted that they wanted a private ceremony in his rural home while the government wanted him to be buried at the national heroes eka where most of the founding leaders of independent zimbabwe are buried hundreds of mourners continue to throng there to follow stadium inherited to pay their last respects at this place it is iconic in the sense that this is the place where robert mugabe was sworn in is the 1st black prime minister of independent zimbabwe in $1080.00 he lives a complex legacy where some view him as a pan african east india liberator we liberated zimbabwe from the shit cause of colonialism while others take him as a dictator who presided over the decay of zimbabwean economy and also bed the human rights record but out mutely he remains one of the founding fathers of independent zimbabwe. privileges fun hearing reporting there from harare. the announcement all over this year s official nobel prize is off still among the way but in the meantime some lucky one is already clutching their ignoble awards which were hunted out this week at harvard university no less well the annual contest celebrates ridiculous science honoring achievements that 1st make people laugh and then make them think now the prize for medicine went to evidence showing that pizza can protect against illness and death but only if the pizza is made and eaten in italy apparently an italian scientists came up with that one i m buying it the prize for psychology went to a german research a huge deep bank his own theory holding a pen in your mouth makes you happy he has now proved that it does not and accepting the prize for economics a dutch team 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to participate and actually defend itself a on the substanc? or was does it do? is it all bombast all the time until we get to potentially an impeachment vote. i want to delve deeper into that point and also tell our viewers here, as we re at the top of the 11:00 hour on the east coast in washington, you re watching msnbc s special live uninterrupted coverage of what all agree is a historic day on capitol hill.c this is the preparation for a house vote on resolution 660, providing for the rules for the potential impeachmentth of the current president donald trump. what you see on your veen is a countdown that will result in proceeding to thatsu vote. so the current count you see on your screen has not yet arrived under the house procedure on the phone. what i can tell you, in a matter of moments when you sigh this count run down,u within the ne nine minutes, we expect the house to, proceed then to the actual vote on the impeachment resolution and trules. we also are told in a departure from then normal course, speak pelosi will be presiding over this, speaking and going up in front ofnd the entire congress there to preside over this vote. speakers also, asis you may kno from watching the news, speakers don t usually vote on each provision becauseea the speakerf the house controls everything and can control when there are votes and when there are revotes. we re told thel speaker may also we re watching to see if the speaker votes on this resolution as well. i want to bring in garrett haake who has been keeping an eye on all ofpi this directly for us o the dihill. what happens next, garrett? reporter: i m still seeing the s majority of members have t yet voted in this first series.i usually the first votes of the day are the first time a lot of members set foot onme the house floor. folks are coming from their offices, from their apartments around town. a lot of membersou starting the day rolling m in for this first vote. we ll see thiss timer probably expire and then have some additional time before the second advote, the key vote of e day takes place. ida want to point back to kevin mcincarthy, the republican lead in theth house who just finishe his remarks. he made a couple of political points that i think you can expect to heart a lot more, particularly as the process changes here and the process arguments having been used by republicans up to this point become less valid. first is ais circular argument, but you ll hear it a lot. that this cannot go forward if it s not a bipartisan impeachment. he will b be calling back to nay pelosi s party line, essentia y essentially, for the last year and a half. the impeachment has to be done on a bipartisan basis. pelosi would talk about that a lot as a means to forestall impeachment on earlier issues brought forward in this administration. but republicans, by whipping veryan aggressively to keep the membership in line can prevent this from becoming bipartisan. inmi fact, the only republican that s come outt, in favor of impeachment so far, justin amash from michigan is no longer a congressman. they don t want to talk about the ideato that this is what democrats are investigating hert is the idea that the president is trying toth influence the election in 2020. but i they want to try to turn f independentff voters, independent-minded americans who are justed so tired of the mueller-russia-2016 story line. any time you hear republicans refer back to the impeachment vote is an invalidation of the last election, that s what you re seeing signaled here. here is the president trying to change theth results of the 202 election, you ll get a different reaction from people, than anything that reminds peoplem the long relate gags of the 2016 campaign. mccarthy laid down the marker there.he expect to hear those two lines of political spin here for the nextn month or so. garrett haake, we are six minutes out of this vote, thank you.te we ll be coming back to you. i want to turn back to jeremy bash. as you know, jeremy, most members come down to the house floor and that s where they make their votes known. in a social media era with a twitter presidency, we sometimes get otheren indications. everyone knows that justin amash who left the republican party has broken with r the president already. heth has a new tweet that may ge a sense of where he is today. pretty striking. his tweet says, quote, this president will be in power for only a short time, excusing his misbehavior will forever tarnish your name. to my republican colleagues, quote, step outside your media and social bubble. history will not look kindly on disingenuous, frivolous and falsesi defenses of this man. jeremy. congressman amash has been a leading voice outside of the democratic caucus for holding the president c accountable for this conduct. i don t know whether or not he s going to have other people join him. right nowotop it looks like abo half the democrats and half the republicans have voted. right now it s breaking almost entirely on party lines with the exception of one democratic who hasra voted no on this initial resolution. i thinkal what you ll see from here over the next five or six minutes, the rest of the house members will come to the floor. the bells are ringing around the capitol to signify minutes taking down onig this vote. they d will extend it to allow almost everybody to vote. they vote by an electronic key card they slide into a slot in the house well. then you ll see nancy pelosi at the podium. she probably will get a number ofl inquiries from republicans trying to sort of gum up the works,f but she will ultimatel gavel down the proceedings, call probably a five-minute vote and that will be the vote on this resolution, and that we expect toat largely break down along party lines. ing the next couple weeks, arii think you ll see open hearings on tuesdays, wednesdays and ne thursdays. you ll hear the familiar names, vindman, volcker, sondland, taylor, fiona hill. beyond that i don t thinkfi there s a lot more evidence beyond thatre testimony, the te messages and the july 25th phone call. we ll be back here watching the house floor probably around thanksgiving or before the december holiday break. jeremy, lau do you view those depositions? as you mentioned, some have details leakingso out.ta mr. bolton and others are still being summoned and they re figuring that out. this set of rules, if it passes today, brings all of those out intol public view. reporter: that s right. one of the provisions in the house resolution isvi that the chairman of the committee, adam schiff can make public, essentially posting on a website the depositions. this was done in the benghazi inquiry and others, where essentially you see a live transcript of those depositions. that s going to set a foundation for the hearingso so members kw what to ask the witnesses, know where to go. it s roadmap to the substance of their testimony. i thinkbs once you see those depositions in public, you hear the s testimony, you see the evidence. i think again members will have basically everything they need toy know to know whether or no they can impeach the president of the united states. jeremy, thank you. we ll beer coming back to you. gene robinson is here as part of our special coverage at headquarters. we re a couple moments away from this procedural vote and then we get to the bigvo show. what are you watching form, particularly when we see reporting out of the white housh that the president has done something which he s known to do, call republicans and askwn r help. we re looking to see if republicans if anyone who strays. justin amash is no longer a republican. we expect him to vote for impeachment. do any of the retiring republican members of the house, will hurd, for example, the other 20 or so have announced they re retiring. do any of them vote for the impeachment rules? that would be a shocking thing for the white house to see any republicans. i predict it would probably launch a tweet storm. meanwhile, there s nothing on the president s agenda today, as i think was pointed out. he s doing thes same thing we doing. he s sitting there watching. they re watching carefully. of course, as there may be a few republicans whoma stray, there e also potentially democrats who stray or who the speaker doesn t feel are s needed to get over t majorityve hurdle here and may allowed to stray. i want m to go to kristen welke keeping a keen eye on this both from the white house and working your sources on the hill. what are you hearing? reporter: ari, we know the white house thinks, as many as four to five democrats actually may flip, to your point there. they ll be watching that closely. we know president trump has been working the w phones. he started his day in the residence. as of about a half hour or so ago, so likely making his way over to the west wing where he and others will undoubtedly monitor theseun proceedings ver closely. the president tweeting about it, yet again calling it a witch hunt. the question becomes what will the white house strategy be moving forward. we know themo president has bee working theha phones. he maywo meet with lawmakers lar today. the white house signaling they re going to beef up their communications strategy. before this vote, ari, the ar administration, the white house argued thisni was an illegitima process because there i hadn t been as vote. the question becomes will that have to zmang will they have to fight this battle on substance moving forward? i put that question to kellyanne conway earlier today. she made the nwcase, look, it i both substance but is also the process. i think you re going to see both. let me ask you about that. that s so fascinating. senator mccaskill was discussing this set of rules, if it passes, affords the white house more options toth engage and send people down and make their case. it alsoma threatens them with a remedy where if they continue in the view of the house defy lawful subpoenas and requests, they may lose those rights. its wonder, at this point, any indication who the white house would tisend? do they send white house counsel and government hilawyers? do they send rudy giuliani, jay sekulow? do you have any clues or tea leaves to ready there? i would be very surprised if it was rudy giuliani. my anticipation it would be likely, if not the white house counsel, someone who hashe been working very closely with the white house vecounsel. of course, the leader there. that would be my anticipation. i think you did hit the nail on the head here, ari. right now the administration feels it has a strong argument to make to say, look, administration officials cannot testify because they would undoubtedlyld be testifying abo material they re arguing is protected by executive privilege. that argument getsby tougher to make once this vote takes place. thatke doesn t mean they re not going tosn try to block testimo. for example, all eyes are going to be on john bolton. if he s subpoenaed, will he show up? his attorney is saying he s not going to show up unless he s subpoenaed. what legal recourse would the administration have given that this vote would basically say, look, the white house could bring its, own counsel into the proceedings, ari. senator, you look like you might want to get ngin. int wanted to note that we have thet triple zeros. you can explain how this works. we have no time remaining, but a lot of voeks bmissing. if you total it up you have 351 members of congress voted. it s not like they didn t know today was a big day. this is oneda of my pet peev, they let the mother control the time of t the vote.th we would quickly cut off the vote whenut the vote was suppos to be cut off. invariably they let it go on and on, so g members know they ve g a graceno period with which the can get to the floor and cast their vote. i predict this thing stays open for another ten, 15, maybe longer. i feel like what m you re saying when it comes to deadlines, members of congress, like us. st exactly, procrastinate and know you can still get in under the wire. the point i wanted to make before, as we were talking about members conflicted about this vote, there are two kinds of memberser conflicted by this vo. one are the democrats that took out republican members of congress in districts that t ar veryn divided on this issue. the other are republicans who remain in congress that are in districts that are very divided by this issue. and if you look to the senate, the president is not only making calls,nl he s doing something ee that is remarkable. some people would say this is like bribing a i jury. he put out a fund-raising plea forin joni ernst in iowa where he s upside down in favorability, tom tillis in north carolina where he s upside down in h favorability and mart mcsally in arizona where he s upside down in favorability. they will get millions of dollars in their campaigns from the s president s efforts just the last 24s hours.th that is really outrageous. we re so busy talking about so luchin outrage, there hasn t be time to focus on this. think about that. he is basically providing cash for candidates who are very conflicted about this vote because they re from states where this is not an easy call for them. there is a whole lot of folks in their states thatfo believe wha the president has done is just flat wrong. jury tampering i think. or bribery, whichever way you want toor go. dicey. it s extraordinary. the president has the fact of his control of the republican base, basically, and his power to essentially determine whether members of congress or members of the senate get re-elected or get primary. you know better than i do what that feeling in the pit of the stomach would be like for a senator ine that position. i certainly do. the day kennedy resigned. so that s another avenue where you ll see the president exercising his power along with the bombastic tweets, along with the complaints about process. along with whatever sort of obstructionist parliamentary things the house can do about process in the house itself. what does it all get you in the end is the question when the substance is there? melissa, i want to reset again here again, at 11:15 on the east coast. the house has finished the allotted time andni is still tabulating, as the senator is explaining, some procrastinators who have come to the house floor. the 227-187, those have been be rising, which gets us closer to the actual vote. that gets use back, professor,o whatto is proverbially known in the constitution as the big enchilada. i wonder if you can set the table for folks, what does it mean that the houselk is about set up the blueprint for the potential impeachment of donald trump? for viewers watching saying, oh, my god, this looks like a big day. what does it mean that the president have done so many things objectionable, ideological, lemorally, politically, in the eyes of so many, that this scandal about ukraine brought us tos this point. you have to first understand the constitution is document about limiting government, limiting the congress, the executive, thegr judiciary, so each has an opportunity to check the other branches so no branch can aggrandize power and overwhelm the people. that s the whole point of the constitution. this impeachment process is not about subverting the election, about overriding the will of the people. w it s about allowing the will of the people to be heard because the president has exceeded the bounds of constitutional authority, and congress and the other branches are supposed to check that. eugene s point is really right on. congress created impeachment as a remedy. what they didn t anticipate is you d have constitutional law oa the side of the godfather. the idea that senators who will function as jurors would receive payments from the president for their high ln contested you say like aou condiment. it s constitutional law. thenit you have this mob lawyerg on the side. it s incredibly suspect to go and provide these kind of paymentses to senator ernest an these senators that are in conflicted dikts, martha mccosally, knowing they will be theno ones ultimately to vote o whether or not this president is rude. it s handhanded, tight fisted. ultimately it may be very y effective. that s not something the constitutionom contemplated. ns it s corrupt is what it is too. to vote the prosecutors first, in the johnson impeachment, there was also a lot of horseim trading and ultimately historians say, bribes, which is quite striking considering thatui bribery is a impeachable offense. you re speaking to what you see as the potential further influence campaigns to try to get theseto votes back. i do have to ask you, aside of the y godfather, would only if there s a horse head in your bed. i thinkea the framers always expected, regardless of of how tough things got, individuals would put country over their own individual y interests, over pay interests if those are at play. that s not what we re seeing. this is perhaps the failure of this document. it expected too much. that s why it s going so crucial to have these hearings play out incr public. if we start from the premise that perhaps t the ultimate jurs in this case, the senators, may not be completely impartial jurors as we would hope to have in the criminal context, the real audience has got to be the american people. if wes have these hearings playing out in public where the people can see the witnesses, can see who they are, what bias they , bring, what credibility they have and what they know, ultimately they re the ones that can put pressure on the senators to say, look, the facts support this. this is something we re hearing from republicans who don tin have a strong take on ts which is to say there are republicans we ve spoken to in washington, not attaching names to this, said, look, we d rather there s no impeachment to deal e with. their concern is that televised hearings with people with a chest full ofle medals and diplomatic history could actually move people in red parts of the country. well, it could. we ve all looked back through the history books of how public opinion moved during watergate and during the nixon process. as those hearings on television, alexander butterfield and the tapes and everything. you saw most republicans and most voters who had voted nixon stuck with himni up to a point d then the needle really moved and it was afterly that public exposure. we have a conversation about the founders and what they d think of what s goingrs on now. one thing they were totally concerned with ista the impact foreign powers on our government. so the constitution is also like aio giant sort of dam to try to keep that out. the emoluments clause, for example. why ise. that in here? rich countries like spain and england from influencing when you talk about foreign money. this is something that was f on the table very recently until the president completely backtracked one using his hote for theng g7. i want to bring in more reporting, viewers will note we veno been on triple zeros foa few minutes. most of the votes are in. garrett, i want you to walk us through what you re hearing and i ll bringar in heidi as well o of i washington. to both of you, really teeing up the question, what will happen next when you look at the people who may leave their party on this great. reporter: it looks liketh they re calling this first vote here so we may stop when they start the second. this is the vote we ve been watching for all day. this will not be an exact party line vote. we know of two democrats who our team expects to cross over and vote with republicans against resolution. they have very different profiles here. jeff van drew, a freshman member from new jersey, just elected as part of the blue wave, just told one ofav our colleagues in the basement he i m going to jump in to listen to the speaker. those in favor please say aye. those opposed say no. the ayes have it. the res dugs is adopted. on that i would request the yeas and nays. the yays and nays are ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device.d. this is a five-minute vote, colleagues, a five-minute vote. garrett, we re proceeding to the key r and critical vote. walk us through exactly what s happening right now. thisha vote should go much quicker. all thed members m are in the chamber. they came during the last first vote.het you re starting to see numbers on the board. two democrats have voted against. i can t see the big board with their names. i cane tellwi you they probable jeff van drew, the freshman congressman from new jersey and collin peterson, a long serving congressman from minnesota, one of the last conservative blue dog democrats. both of them have signaled for quite a long time they were unlikely to up sfupport impeachment. i would be much more surprised if weuc see any republicans crossing over to vote with the democrats here. you see a present vote. that s interesting. that will take some explanation. that may come off the board. republicans are unlikely to vote with democrats here even if they are concerned about the president s behavior, in part because they simply don t have to. in pure naked lizard brain political terms here, there s no reason tol vote with democratsn a procedural vote here that i don t know democrats can carry and stick your neck out for the next month to just get hammered by your republican colleagues. we re going to leave the escalating numbers on the screen as berereport this out in realtime. rarely is the floor of the house this exciting. that climbing yea number, 183, joined by one independent is this united states house on the road to passing rules to provide for the potential impeachment of the sitting president. what is the magic number they need toe hit? 218 if everyone is present. i didn tne see the totals on th last vote. i believe that will be the number today. democrats have the number to clear it here. t they can afford to lose a half dozen or more wouldn t be politically problematic. if you lose more than that, you re having a you saw the two nays pop up very quickly. if there are other wavering members on the hefloor, i suspe they re being spoken to in hush tones on the floor as we speak by thes member of the whip tea from thesehe parties. look, this is part of the case that nancy pelosi made when she came out to run for speaker again, that she is a master vote counter. they re not going to make mistakes in terms of knowing they have the i votes to carry this. i saw that republican vote pop up and r come down very quickly here. iqu expect the republicans to b in lockstepi on this as we approach the magic number. i might point out that, if you are going to vote in a way that there s going to be extreme pressure on you by your party, there is a saying that you re told, and that isg vote early d get out of there. because if you stick around, whether you re a republican trying to defy the republican party oro a democratic that s votingoc differently than the majority of the fedemocrats, if you stickjo around on the floor it gets very painful. your elbow gets twisted so hard that you have to go see the chiropractor. you vote andse you get out so there s no more pressure put on you. senator, i m jumping in to say it would appear that the democrats have passed the majorityse hurdle at 220 votes, 221, rising, as we report in speak in favor of this resolution providing for rules for the potential impeachment of president donald trump. garrett, we are looking at the democrats. asg t you see, speaker pelosi count. it would appear she has counted up enough votes with plenty of room. nothingnt official, formal or wh the support of the house authority until thise is final and gaveled. the speaker doesn t usually we see her in red at the top of the screen by theat flag.sc the speaker does not usually physically preside in this manner. garrett, when you look at these numbers hitting 227 votes, it would appear the house is on the way to passing this resolution of the rules for impeachment. that s exactly right. what we always caution not to getys ahead of ourselves until these votes are called, you re operating with a pretty healthy margin here, and you re not seeing really any party crossover beyond the two democratsso voting with republicans who wevo suggested earlier. this speaks to the partisanug nature of s this, and i think bh parties will use these vote totals asot talking points here democrats voting to what will be a strong majority here, keeping all their members home to vote inmb favor. republicans will turn right around and say thisan is a partisan exercise, that there were no erepublicans, at leastt appears, with still three not voting, to cross over and support democrats on this issue. so in their partisan lanes going forward, and as i said earlier, no one is making on this vote -s no one is making it in the way that it needs to be done, the argument towards patriotism, country over party and so forth. it sh. very easy for republican membersor in particular to shru that off given that this is a procedural vote. there s not a lot of political upside spending the next month defending a proceed yurl vote being made d here. above 232 hvotes, this is well beyond the margin for error for democrats here. how does the house floor look to you as they ve just finished the time? we ll jump in the moment we hea the speaker preside. does it look any busier, different, more intense to you on thisou historic vote? members sticking around, the galleries were packed as we got toward the start of the vote. a lot of staff present. there was the feeling that this was ath meant tuesday, not a normal everyday n vote.da to senator mccaskill s point, there s another six votes in this series. for folks trying to avoid the uncomfortable feeling, they have votes to t come if they want to head to the exits. we see the speaker consulting there with the house staff and stepping towards s looks lik she s stepping towards the microphone and the gavel. let listen in to this moment on the house floor with the majorityhi of votes. on this vote the yea are 232. the nays are 196. the resolution is adopted. without objection, the motion te reconsider is laid upon the table. you hear the gavel at 11:29 a.m. does the gentleman from missouri seek recognition? i request permission to speak for one minute e any objection? without objection, the gentleman is recognized. there s an objection. is heard. t the united states house of representatives, 11:29 a.m. on the east.m coast, has passed th resolution providing for the rules for the impeachment of president donald trump. this is the first time the full house has held any floor vote whatsoever on impeachment. the party line vote provides a preview, and we hear this from both sides, of what is coming. democrats completely united, moving forward on impeachment on a way they were not united even within the past few months. republicans united against the balance of power in the house standsow with speaker pelosi an the democrats. that s a preview of what could be in short order in the coming weeks a vote on the actual impeachment of donald trump. we re going to keep an eye here on this house floor. but i want to bring in our panel that s been assembled precisely for this reason. senator mccaskill, you ve been walking us through how this works. we had thelk t party line vote thety substance. what does it mean right now, thh congress closer to impeaching donald trump? i think now it s a timetable issue. how soon will the public hearings begin. i m told by my friends on the hill they anticipate public hearings beginning the middle of november. i think they will probably we already can kind of guess who the witness list is going to be. the witness list will be trump appointees like ambassador taylor who was brought into the state department by donald trump.de lieutenant colonel vindman who obviously is not c somebody whos onwh anybody s fund-raising lis or f is a political person in a way. volker, sondland. i think you ll see that list and beginnd to see those hearings, e beginning of november. i anticipate those hearings will complete by probably the middle of lydecember, and it wouldn t surprise me if there are articles of impeachment that work their way towards the senate before santa gets here. you re talking about impeaching donald trump before christmas. i want to bring back in garrett haake who has been following all of this. garrett, this is a turning point. it would appear now with these new rules passed that this united states congress is closer to the impeachment of the sitting president than it has ever been since it was constitutedsi after the midterm. it s very hard to see how democrats turn back from impeachment now. you ve just set the table for open hearings. first in the intel committee, these rules prescribe potentially open hearings after that.ib a lot of movement afoot. a ton of pressure on democrats to wrap up this deposition stage, the closed door process they ve been using thus far and move thishu impeachment effort intoim the sunlight. in fact, there were a number of democrats who had been cautious about supporting the impeachment inquiry or who had held off for a long time, who put their support of it in these exact terms today before this vote saying they wantbe to move this into sunlight, that they re not exactly voting for the president or the sayinghe they think the evidenc is strongth enough to do so yet but that it s time to move forward and to make this process public. so i suspect, and there s no reason to think otherwise, we r going to start seeing so much more of s a public-facing effor by democrats. they have to takeef the evidenc that s come h out of those of depositions, largely in the forms ofon leaks and releases b attorneys of openingea statemen, and turn that into a public argument. nancy pelosi has been very clear on this from day one. you cannot impeach the president without the public s support. while they may not be able to turn t very many republican members, they won tli need themn the nevotes. they need republicans, independents, regular people across the country to get on board with them, ari. that starts now. we ll go now to the white house, t kristen welker. ari, president trump tweeting just moments ago, the greatest witch hunt in american history. this is how you can expect the president and his allies to frame what they have just witnessed on the house floor. we re also anticipating a white house statement at some point today. just to reiterate a point, we know thee president has been working the phones. weg expect he may actually mee with republican lawmakers a little laterwi on today. bottom line, they re going to continue to try g to discredit this entire process. the president has already begune campaigning, trying to paint the democrats as t the do-nothing no democrats. they put out an ad last night during the world series, in fact, to that effect. it s underscored by the tweet that president trump just put ru out. what happens moving forward? we know there are a number of key witnesses that the white house is going to be focused on. tim morrison obviously among those setus to be on capitol hi today. heap announced yesterday that hs going to be leaving the administrati administration. he is the second white house official to be on capitol hill beth phone he july 25th call between president trump and the president ofe ukraine that ates the heart of all of this. of course, john bolton has been called to testify, his lawyer making it clear he s not going to dor so unless he s subpoena. you can bet the white house focused onit that potential testimony as well again, with this vote it essentially means that at some point those testimonies will be able to take place in public view. while the p white house has bee calling for that on the one hand, on the other hand, it could complicate the political procedure. thanks to kristen welker for that response. i want to bring back jon meacham, presidential historian. there are many daysia where we talk about history but they re not historic days. this now officially formally would appear to be one. particularly when you look at donald trump as an elected president facing now the potential impeachment inside his first term. only the second elected president who will ever be impeached. what do you see as the historical significance of congress being on the precipice of doing, having passed these rules moments ago? i suspect the president will become only the third president to be impeached. andrew johnson, bill clinton and i nowns suspect donald trump. whether he s removed from office is an entirely different question. in a way, the country itself is nowco on trial. the white house chief of staff, and i suspect strongly, i bet a lot of money that the president will end t up saying, yes, i di this. this is how i i govern and the bidens were in the wrong. i was trying toin find out abou this, they re corrupt, what are you going to do about it. r do we, in fact, care that the president of the united states violated, t attempted to violat the sovereignty of our national elections. i think that s for all the nuances, for all the niceties, for all the procedural points we spend a lot of time on, that is theon fundamental question confronting the fucountry. a 48-48 country with a few folks on the nerve s edge in betweene these two tribes, wha will we decide is acceptable behaviorac from the president o the united states. inor many ways, far more so tha the bill clinton example, more like the richard nixon example, more like the johnson example, it will tellhn us a great deal about who we actually are right now. what is they ar nature of th allegations, jon, tell us about the j unpredictable part of washington, that sixbl months a no one thought we would be here today.be we ve been on some of these special coverage days before. we live in a world where things are treated as impossible and then obvious, with almost no processing inos between, particularly with the hot takes in washington and sometimes online. many people said this isn t happening, the mueller report, whatever it did, did not close the circle, and we re getting into 2020 and the debates have begun. all of a sten, facts, whistle-blowers, evidence piles up and the congress gets to thir point today, fool house floor vote, these are the rules, these are the rights of the president. and it would appear i say this as a reporter watching it, it would appear the house saying, mr. president, get ready, you are about to be impeached. it s fascinating. it s a fundamental feature oft histor and reality that most of life is like an iceberg. we see part of it but there s a huge amount we don t see. often what happens is it is the province of history to go back and find these stories that were below theto surface. what s happeninge. now in this sped-up world is that we find it out far more quickly. we re on a kind of warp speed for revelations. x number of weeks ago, ukraine was not top of mind at all. it shows us that, a, we have the single most self ave. vowedly unconventional president in presidential rehistory. he sen knocked down many, many the guard rails that have kept the republic going. so they re flattened. the question now we have to answer is n do we care about the guardrails. do we care and how does the public assess t something that today out of the house was a party line vote, but when the evidence piles up, might move other people. a one-way or the other. if it s going to be a fair process, it s going to have to leave with evidence. stay with me. kristen welker, on many, many days the news comes from donald trump s impromptu press conferences, his availabilities and his tweets. is, as you pointed out, a bigger day, more formal day. we have a more formal, traditional written statement from the white house responding to frthis, not just a tweet. what aret you hearing? reporter: that s right. in addition to the tweet that president trump sent out calling this the greatest witch hunt in american wihistory, we got the statement from the white house. i ll readhe it to you. the president has done nothing wrong, itha says, and the democrats know it. nancy pelosi and the democrats unhinged obsession with this illegitimate impeachment proceeding does not hurt president trump. it hurts the american people. instead of focusing on pressing issues that impact real families like reducing gun violence, improving health care, lowering prescription drug costs, securing our southern border and modernizing our aging infrastructure, the democrats are choosing every day to waste time on a sham impeachment, a blatantly partisanch attempt to destroyem the president. it does go on to take jabs at house speaker nancy pelosi and morey broadly adam schiff and essentially concludes bynd sayi the democrats want toy render verdict without giving the administration aou chance to mot a defense. that is unfair, unconstitutional and fundamentally un-american. so that is the statement coming out of the white house at this hour. again,is ari, to underscore thi point, it s a preview of the strategy that you re going to see moving t forward, the president, this administration, the president s campaign are going focus on all these policy issues that you just heard in that statement and the fact that there s unlikely to be action on any of those issues. he s going to try to campaign on it. he s going ton try to rally support today by working the phones andby possibly holding meetings, ari. kristen welker at the white house with the new statement. the house has n voted on the rus for the impeachment of president donald trump,ac party line vote. speaker pelosi has been seen leaving the house floor. we rein keeping an eye on wheth we can get anymore availability or reaction from her. she did say when walking by reporters that it is a sad day. you can see a some of that righ there, walking by some of the hill statues with our own reporter. our special experts are here. we re also waiting, i should tell you, for the chairs of the relevant o committees who have been newly empowered including intelligence and judiciary to step to their lectern and say what they want to say about what comes next. this is a busy and tumultuous day on the hill. turning to our experts, senator mccaskill, our job is to help folks understand not only what s happening and what isnd being said, but what is true, what is unknown and what is unknown. we have evidence that suggested there was a prid pro quo and we havend denials. we ll continue to report that out. we also have the white house saying things today in the new statement thatto are abjectly a provedly false whichec is striki given that we re in this full debate with the resolution and the rulesre coming forward. what do you make of the fact that thef white house s statemh says the new rules have, quote, violations of due process, that the new hearingses fail to provide, quote, any process, quote, whatsoever. because as we ve reported and the rules are written and the public can read them and we ll see them, they not only provide a process, but they actually provide what are traditional due process rights, not required by the constitution, but exceed what past presidents have been afforded. first of all, this white house lies more often than most people brush theire teeth. b them lying in a statement is not newsworthy because n they lie constantly. but the american people will, in fact,eo decide whether or not ts is fair.ct this is goinghe to be on tv. i was thinking, as i was working through in my head when these hearings will begin and thinking aboutan the coverage these hearingse will get and that th american people will tune in an watch this.er what if a you re running for president right now as a democratic? what if november 20th is one of the key witnesses of this impeachment inquiry and there s at debate that night? what ift? the hearings run over and all of a sudden we re in a situation where we ve got the contenders to take on donald trump. and a weeko until iowa. way back in the cheap seats, way back in the cheap seats and everyone is focused on this drama? i do think it s a challenge for our candidates to manage, to keep talking about, just this week the senate had a very important vote tory protect pre-existing conditions. bunch of senators voted with trump to do away with pre-existing conditions in junk insurance plans. that barely got a peep because of the drama of this moment in american f history. it s important for ouram in the i to stay forefront as they re working right now, in really the home stretch for iowa. as we look and report on whae we re hearing in the response, melissa, i have something you wantss to weigh in on. areo you ready? i m ready. pelosi quoted ben franklin and thomas payne. others quoted founders in both directions in this high stakes, high level debate on the house floor. ivanka trump tweeted a quote of thomas jefferson writing to his daughter, quote, surrounded by enemiesun and spies, catching a perverting every word that falls from my lips or flows from my pen and inventing where facts fail them, and she adds to this, after describing, that s jefferson to his daughter, readds in a new tweet, quote, some things never change, dad, exclamation point. i went to uva so i can quote thomas jefferson with the best of them. let me just say, all of the statements coming out of this white house are not justin untr, they ret totally off base. as a professor when i listen to the president s statement, all i can think about is will this guy just do the reading? will you read the constitution, the resolution? the constitution says explicitly the opening of impeachment articles is notch the trial t itself. you will have thee opportunityo make yourll case heard. y you will have the opportunity to present the case to a bunch of jurors that you ve already seated in you behalf by providing them with campaign g funds. there s going to be an opportunity for him. this is an opportunity for the people to hear what the congressmen already know and for them to makedy a judgment about whether or not this is a a plac they want theor country to be i. thomas jefferson, for ivanka trump s ownka edification, is ao someone who thought the presidency should note be abov the law.ho he said a that over and over again. the treed of liberty should be pruned periodically. impeachment is one of the ways wef ensure we remain a republi and not an autocracy. absolutely right. there s line in that white house statement that i says the houses attempting to render a verdict, weighing in on this unfair process. of course, the house does not render a verdict at all. it wills be the senate who ultimately, if the president is impeached, renders the verdict.e i think that s really where a lot of focus we ll really have to have a split screen now. the house will be conducting the inquiry, but we ll have one eye on the senate which ultimately, i believe, will have to make that decision. i ve spoken with a number of republican senators that have come uppu with the position tha well, i may have to be a juror, so i can t comment on the substance of the president appears to have done. and perhaps h they ll stick wit that line. but i think that will make the white house very nervous, that republican senators areat not o there actively defending the substance of the president s position on the allegations. berit, this is a nation that has always been steeped in legal culture, if notd always a deep obsession with all the specific rules. since everyone has been quoting the h founders, toke ville talk about thatde and how the seatin of the jury system was so important because over the course of civic life in america, people sooner or later, they or their family, ended up on juries and it was kind of a training. he was speaking to the fact that at the time people didn t have much access to education or higher education for sure. it can beca positive or sometim negatives when people say we re all too lawyerly, even when you take thewy lawyers out of it. for viewers joining us here as we near noon on the east coast, the house hasst taken a step th all our reporting suggests is highly unlikely to be unwound, a step towards the trial of the president of the united states, something we rarely see and something that connects r with l our notions of what it means to be fair orof for those who obje to wthis, who see it as the presidentee putting it as a wit hunt or as overkill, the concern that sometimes there is nork justice inat the legal process. so, as we look to that and you think about that as a prosecutor, what should americans keep their eye on the they re wanting to wait and see whether this looks fair before theyr ultimately make up their minds? my response would be that the facts will be the best antidote to the rhetoric. what thishe next stage will giv us an opportunity to dig into is the facts. we canis put aside the rhetoric put aside claims that it s a witch hunt and focus on what the witnesses will actually be saying. we areesll talking about some o these things with any of us here having had the ability to actually see or hear what these witnesses haver said in its entirety. to have the ability to get their comprehensive statements, to see the facts itself, to see if what these witnesses are saying corroborates what the initial whistle-blower says, to see how thisay plays into what we heard from thent president s own mout in that initial transcript. that is going to be the best remedyg to all this political rhetoric. as much as the senators will be the ultimate are we. they re going to have to convince us that there is a there there. and at least from what we ve seen so atfar, the witnesses brought in bring with them an amount of contributed and knowledge that s going to be hard for rhetoric to overcome. that s brings to the fore what you and our panelists are speaking about. facts that moved the democrats and concern so many americans, the majority now backing impeachment according to polls, even before publicg hearings, d the unity of trump s defense in the republican caucus. heidi przybyla, you do a back of the envelope calculation, heidi, and one of the things we see is no republicans who are still members of the party, there s one who left the party over this, an independent, mr. amash, but no current members of the housere republican caucus crossg over. by contrast, while democrats widely and strongly obtained to the nature of the attacks and investigation of president clinton and their view of whether those were impeachable offences however objectionable the conduct was, 31 democrats backed the actual initial probe. what does it tell you that the president s party is living in its own bubble now? i can tell you, ari, based on my reporting which includes meeting with a number of these moderate republicans that they are deeply troubled by the president s behavior. but theypr view this vote todays largely a procedural vote, and that many of their objections, just like their leadership has been voicing, have been along the process lines. to garrett s point, many republicans felt like if they were going to dissent, this is not the vote they are going to dissent on.to we need to keep that in mind as we look at the vote totals. this is not comparable to previous initial votes on impeachment in that sense. i also want to correct for the record, ari, since this is a moment for history, and fact check some things that leader mccarthy said about this being un-democratic, because this vote hasn t taken place until 37 days into the process. do you know why that is? number one, this vote is not required under the constitution. there s nothing in the constitution that says that they needed to hold this vote. and also, the part about this being closed, behind closed doors, it is the republicans themselves who allowed this to happen, because the republicans changed the rules in the last congress, in the 116th congress, to allow the democrats to go ahead and issue t all of these unilateral subpoenas. they didn t have to hold a vote because they already had all the subpoena authority. now they did have the hold the vote becauseho they have to set out the rules of the road. they had to change that 45-minute questioning rule, for example. and so thatru is why you re seeg this vote today. and just one last note, it was trey gowdy himself, head of the oversight committee, who said for the initial phase the only way to actually get truth is to do it behind closed doors when you re in the fact-finding part of the investigation. important context there. i want to turn to geoff bennett. geoff, our cameras briefly caught you trying to briefly catch the speaker who obviously wasn t going to take live questions. there s that shot. what s happening now, as the congress continues to work on two tracks, passing these rules and also conducting these private depositions? reporter: right. well, two floors beneath us in the basement on the house side, house investigators are deposing tim morrison, outgoing russia director for the white house, we learned yesterday he was stepping down, he will be the third white house official to step downth from their official capacity. the last two did that in part so they would be more free in what they re able to tell house investigators. as thisou closed door investigation proceeds, they re getting closer and closer inside the white house. they ve already got the view of what happened in o ukraine. they talked to foreign service officers who were there as this ukraine pressure campaign came to be. today throughig next week you he house investigators, house democrats, requesting interviews with the nsc legal adviser, the chief of extra of to mick mulvaney. it s not clear, ari, if any of those people will show up. but house investigators want to get their testimony to really put the pieces together. morrison, we know, based in large part on the testimony of bill taylor who appeared if not this past weekend, but the weekend before that, had misgives abomi misgivmi misgivings about the phone call between president trump and president zelensky. but what s so interesting about this, witness after witness is offering these investigators different chapters of the same narrative, that president trump deputized his personal attorney, rudy giuliani, gordon sondland, ambassador to the eu, rick perry, energy secretary, and to some degree, mick mulvaney and kurt volker, to run this pressure campaign outside of the normal state department channels. and when career officials, respected career officials like marie yovanovitch raised legitimate questions about what it is they were doing, those folks were targeted by a smear campaign and ultimately moved out of the way. that s one of the reasons, house democrats say,ne that when you hear president trump make the point that the phone call was perfect, lindsey graham, his chief defenderis on capitol hil says he s not bothered about the phone call, the phone call itself isca not the entire picture. it s what happened before the call and after the call that house democrats are investigating and in a couple of weeks they will bring that allv public, ari. reporting live from capitol hill, thank you for all of that. a lot going on. i want to bring it back here as we approach the noon hour and get ready for andrea mitchell, to my esteemed experts, a quick yes-or-no question followed by your final thoughts today. yes or no, today s vote means it s almost certain the house will impeach donald trump. yes. yes. yes. yes. which is really striking. i didn t know i would get four yeses. what s the most important thing for americans to take away from all this, whether they support president trump or not, whether they know about whether it s an impeachable offense. set your dvrs to tape the testimony and theo these xamination of crucial fact witnesses, and make up your own mind. try to tune out all of the noise and listen, like you re a juror, listen from the jury box to the witnesses. and then decide where you stand. i think people are changing their mind about this. and i think the fact witnesses are going to be key for whether or not we get more than ake handful of republican votes in the senate for removal of office. and jean, a migene, a mind i terrible thing not to change. exactly. i just hope people pay attention. there s going to be an attempt toe paint this as a strictly partisan politics, essentially. there is a tendency, understandably, amongen people just sort of, oh, they re all politicians, they re all out for themselves. because it s breaking news, i have to correct myself, my apologies, i m told the chief deputy whip of the democratic caucus has found an nbc camera coming out of this vote. congressman from michigan, dan kildee, thanks for joining me. thank you very much. does today s vote mean you re going to impeach donald trump? it s a step that sets the framework for us to make that decision. a number of us have seen enough evidence to come to that conclusion. but i think the process has to play itself out. but this will give us an orderly process that republicans asked for, and of course now they object to it. but this is the way our democratic system works. we layys down the rules that wee going to follow. we re going to follow those rules and we ll come to a judgment based on the facts, which by the way are facts that so far republican members seem completely willing to ignore. you say it sets out the rules and the process, and we ve been reporting on that. within those rules, what would be the main reasons to impeach donald trump in plain english? well, for me, when the president by his own admission solicited the help of a foreign government to investigate one of his political opponentsve and tn did everything he co-uld to try to cover that up, that s a fairly plain set of facts that doesn t need a lot of analysis. but we have a responsibility to get all the evidence we can surrounding that particular question and any other questions that might come up. and that s what is going on right now. and what the public hearing process will be intended to display for the american people and for members of congress. congressman, i m sure you re familiar with some of the pushback already from the white house because it s echoed what they ve said previously, the white house saying today there s no due process, there s no fairness, they have no rights. what do you say directly to the presidentct about that?t