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Laden compound, you can use a drone. it's not just about hellfire missiles. a drone has visual on the target to say what's the pattern of life there? are there, for example, women and children on that balcony? you can also use technical intelligence. are you getting transmissions from that building? are you getting, for example, cell phone calls? it's sort of a kaleidoscope, don, this combination of on the ground, in the air and intercepted communications that allows you over weeks and months to say not only is that the target we want, but can we confirm if we hit that target, we're pretty sur...

Killing any of the family members inside and that -- a lot of planning went into that, including that model that you showed of the structure and we're told that president biden asked a lot of questions and we're told that he never contemplated any civilian casualties in the strike. and one of the ways that they may have been able to pull that off, there are hellfire missiles that have no explosives. they kill by impact and have very little collateral impact. it's the way of -- the way the cia has carried out these strikes has really evolved over the years and the precision is rather remarkable...

World's worst terrorist attack even in his final video calling on muslims to attack america. >> retired army four star general barry mccaffrey , pentagon correspondent for the new york times helene cooper and national security analyst for nbc news and msnbc good to have you all. >> general, your thoughts about the united states finally catching up with the terrorists. >> a remarkable achievement, 7500 miles from the united states the intelligence community putting together in a forensic science manner overhead photography, signal intelligence, agents on the ground to isolate a target and then ...

Course. and joining us now is white house homeland security adviser liz sherwood randall. thank you very much for being with us. first of all, this clearly was extraordinary work from the intelligence community and the white house. there have to be some feelings of real congratulations among yourselves for this kind of precision work. including the photo we were just referring to. yes, ma'am. >> yes, i was going to say that really the appreciation goes to those who have made this possible, the counterterrorism community across our federal enterprise who have worked so hard to deliver this resu...

There were little or no civilian casualties. the president was also shown a scale model of the house where al zawahiri was staying. you see that wooden box in the center of the room. now, over the course of the next few weeks, the -- his team worked together to try to answer some of the president's questions and then on july 25th, while the president was isolating during his first bout with covid, he convened a meeting with his officials, again, to try to go into more granular detail about this proposed operation. the president asking more questions about the possibility of civilian casualties...