don. it's -- it's more insidious than that. >> mm-hmm. ron, i want to talk about the coronavirus pandemic. a senior biden administration official is telling cnn they believe that there are governors who are putting their political interests ahead of the public health and getting people vaccinated. do you see it that way? >> sure. in fact, the biden administration has been relatively hands-off on this question so far. i mean we're looking at a number of states, republican-controlled states, where two things are happening at once, where the virus is spreading most rapidly and virulently, and the governors are moving most aggressively to dismantle any of the possible public health responses to that. and i think, don, where this is really going to come to a head is on the issue of reopening schools because the education department today issued its roadmap, its guidance, the federal education department, for how communities should reopen schools. and they said, one, every kid should be back in school for in-person instruction but, two,
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