moment on transparency. let s deal with south korea, now the country with south korea, now the country with the largest number of growing infections after china. how well are they doing? i think they are trying to take the steps that they can as a democratic society, for example, closing skills. with transparency, i feel there is a government where we can have more confidence and the figures being put out and holly measures put in place, more sort than, say, china. they had a difficulty with a secretive christian sect though, it s living things up initially. correct, transparency of the people is perhaps a different issue from what the government is trying to do. also, in the region, indonesia, another largely and densely publish another largely and densely publish a country, that it has infections. a little hard to believe at this point. a mixed picture in that region. europe, italy currently the centre of the problem in europe? northern italy, venice. you can see day by day how it is creeping up enough words, also to germany. i was just in germany, cologne, at a regional festival, there were millions of people on the street and parties. actually, there is a small town between cologne and the dutch border, they have 37 people already infected, to people i think are really seriously ill. they got ill ata really seriously ill. they got ill at a carnival party. i attended those. of course, you have to make a personal choice. but these mass gatherings, now something that we all look at and get very would do i think. yet you went worried enough to not go? it was five days ago. today, i probably wouldn t go. five days ago, it was only in northern italy, will felt he couldn t spread quickly. the uk are somewhat in the european camp. i want you to look at the us for us, that is a country with unexplained cases, they can t trace the contact. also, the political leadership, donald trump talking slightly at odds with his public health officials? that makes the us in the story possibly one of the us in the story possibly one of the most troubling areas to look at because it appears as though the administrative multi a rather dangerous experiment, which is for the president and the senior leadership to be at odds with the health care establishment and the scientific establishment. now, you re sort last week the president of‘s tweets and statements from the administration that appear to suggest that they see this in terms of various television networks trying to do down the president s ratings, and i don t really think thatis ratings, and i don t really think that is what this crisis is about. 0f that is what this crisis is about. of course, the prospect of prompt‘s election rs on a booming stock market, we will talk later what has happened to the markets, but he is desperately worried. you would hope that when you get a crisis like this that when you get a crisis like this that america is a country that has leaders that want to show leadership, rather than picking fights with scientists. if i can interject something about that. it is true that trump is trying to minimise this crisis. even on friday, he was saying this is all a bit of a hoax perpetrated by the democrats. confidence is surging in the economy when we sought wall street have as biggest weekly loss in the decade. because the usa is a federal system, you do have states tackling the problem with their own health department. i m from california, it has about half the reported infections, ithink california, it has about half the reported infections, i think it is doing a betterjob than any federal government as a whole. trying to walk the line between overreacting and under reacting to a public health crisis. there are now some unexplained infections, but that means california is not monitoring more people than it did before, it is expanding its test regime. a bit ofa is expanding its test regime. a bit of a mixed picture, but what is coming out of washington is definitely troubling. henry, can you ta ke definitely troubling. henry, can you take is to a glimmer of hope, that the number of new infections is going down in china? do you think there is a centre of china beginning to turn a corner? i think that has beena to turn a corner? i think that has been a sense like that over the past few days already, that the lockdown oi i few days already, that the lockdown on hubei province, the epicentre, has been effective. now we see that this is china patting itself on its back for the measures taken, to some degree, it s true. journal another degree, it s true. journal another degree, it s true. journal another degree, it is putting out the fire, taking on the lessons of sars in 2003, and covering up these infections in the beginning. i think that they way those two against each other to determine how china has performed. in terms of raising awareness, taking necessary precautions and also not raising the alarm. i think is a difficult decision for officials, but is also difficult for us as journalist. absolutely, corona by this is the most read topic on our websites is the beginning of the year. coronavirus. in some way, the beginning of the year. coronavirus. in some way, we the beginning of the year. coronavirus. in some way, we have to keep informing people, but at the same time, you don t want to alarm people. the decision about schools, in the uae, the first arab country that the cloud it had coronavirus patients, then five people have actually recovered. they have been really good about briefing others about you is recovering, because i think it s a really important to get the information out that there is about a 2.2% death rate, it is concerning but not at the rate of 10-15% concerning but not at the rate of 10 15% where people would lose control. at the same time, talking about people who do recover. they think that alarmism rattled markets, people are scared, at the same time, it really important to say, these are the people precautions you can take, you can also have some semblance of control over your life. it brings us of the questions about relating to the public, trust, transparency, conviction in. communicating effectively in messaging. hendry alluded to the way the chinese system is beginning to ta ke the chinese system is beginning to take credit and deliver a message about their superior system and dealing in this top down effective way, but the liberal democracies will take a different view about their strengths? i must say, i am highly critical of china. why did it become so big in the first place? apparently, chinese officials were not very keen to be transparent about it. i would think in europe, governments in general are trying to be very transparent. at the same time, you get the sense they are cautious not to overreact because they do not want to cause panic, also very difficult. then again, it s a question of whether you live ina it s a question of whether you live in a centralised country, or like germany, one which is highly federalised so decisions can be taken at a very local level. one province will close a school, another one about. one time or stop another one about. one time or stop a train, another will not. it is a very complex situation and it depends on your institutional framework. it is also what truth telling. if the chinese government wants us to believe it is on top of this, i certainly hope that is the case, and a lot of indications suggest they have turned a corner, well, does that mean they will tell the truth two months ago, or a little the truth now? we know better than any one it is an autocratic system, it is a culture in which people are not encouraged to speak the truth if it conflicts with what the truth if it conflicts with what the powerful centre commands. i think people are right to be sceptical about what china is saying now, because what the government was saying a few weeks ago turned out to be wrong. speaking to iain s point, it has been very interesting in china that there has been a cover up and denial until the point where i can no longer be denied?” and denial until the point where i can no longer be denied? i think what is dangerous about this narrative of congratulating china, it has taken very strong measures recently, that is incontestable, is the core area that a liberal, democratic state could not mount a effective response in the same way. but in the us, we have emergency protocols, there can be use of greater powers sparingly which is why they are called emergency protocols, they can help contain and mitigate the effects of korean at widest. whereas in china, this is a syste m widest. whereas in china, this is a system that aggregates to itself its powers all the time. i think this is a big difference to point out between the two institution frameworks. let s talk about the signs. science. we all have to get on top of our understanding of the signs up to a point. i want to ask you about the point of the measures we have been talking about to slow infection rates. two months m, to slow infection rates. two months in, to we know enough about this widest itself to choose the best weapons with which to do that? di virus itself. it is very difficult for western governments. the chinese have done something which is clearly beefing up their frame of reference, com plete beefing up their frame of reference, complete lockdown. if you try that ina complete lockdown. if you try that in a major european city like paris, london or berlin, it would be very difficult. we do know that we have become, sound sars, in the last 20 odd use or so, even more mobile globally. if you look at how this could be spread, in terms of your group, whether it has really taken hold, it is the case of the number of flights globally has doubled since sars 17 years ago. the place of technical change, the amount of travel that we do, the opportunities for this to spread at speed has increased in the last 20 years. we should remember this is not new. this is the story of the last 100 yea rs or this is the story of the last 100 years or so since the great flu pandemic after the first world war. this is not something which. this is something that lots of scientists have warned about, and have seen and in the context of other global outbreaks. it is one of the major downsides of globalisation, i it is very difficult to deal with. and yet, there is also mobility of information. is the public health messaging, as far as we understand the buyer is, how to beat it with barriers, masks, hygiene, social distancing and so on, are those m essa 9 es distancing and so on, are those messages getting out effectively to communities in the middle east?|j communities in the middle east?” think globally that they are getting out effectively. in the middle east, absolutely. again, it depends on the country, but you get a much more regular public briefings that you would have had five years ago. public officials are more used to speaking to their constituents. the incredible thing is social media. the world health organization has messages going out on facebook, twitter, and they are actually paying for these ad to come out. google has been great in terms of, if you look up coronavirus, the first thing that comes up is the world health max. five years ago, someone would have tweaked the algorithm and search optimisation to get the clicks. i shall get much more advanced optimisation for how do we mobilise in global emergencies like this. i think to keep in context as well, it was pointed out to me, at this point, we don t really know the number of infections around the world, it could be vastly more than we are relies. while that is not a good thing in terms of absolute numbers, it can be a hopeful sign on it that we would know about it if the mortality rate was much greater. if these are not actually causing deaths, it shows the mortality rate is much lower than we have so far seen. that could bea than we have so far seen. that could be a piece of good news. one of the things that we wait to see. it is complicated by more good news, early indications suggest that 80% of those who catch this will suffer really mild symptoms. some even say that they don t know that they carry it. the concern is that if they are right it is about 50% of the population of the uk that can be infected, if the death rate is 1%, maybe 2%, those are still huge numbers of potential deaths. henry, coming back to china, one of the things that we will see over time in that giant petri dish, as it were, is that when people do suckle back to normality, how much infection there is then when you quarantine is over. in china, you have some of the most densely populated cities on earth where there is a lot of social mixing, running up against each other all the time. but i think will be the further test of where we see this widest going. there can be plenty of infections that we just don t know anything about, they will just disappear. one thing about the science that concerns me is people thinking that these surgical mass will keep you safe are the longest time. some doctors say they will only last for about 20 minutes, at best, six hours, because they are quite loose fitting. you can understand people buying them to make sure they are covered, but in some ways, these mass can take on more germs. they think that is one of the scientific issues not clearly stated four people. there are others that we just don t have time to list all of now. let s move on to the economic impact, and the political impact. stephane ee, saw a massive sell off on global markets over the past week as they corrected anonymously. factories possibly closing down, transport link suspended around the world, and the unpredictability that we will be talking about? absolutely, it wouldn t even know how things will be tomorrow, next week. you see currencies going down. germany is highly dependent on trade with china, for example, i think there was a coalition that even if the chinese dp, grow gdp doubts by 1%, it will have a massive effect in germany. it will have a knock on effect on everything, it feels like we are back in the two has crash times, but somehow, even more unpredictable as to what happens next. though she is most vulnerable to cross border travel, cross border trade, events where people come together in densely packed spaces, these are suffering all of the biggest hits? yes. sports, travel, retail. also, look at what is happening with the financial system, because it depends on at those businesses still can to bring in money for their revenues. people are no longer buying and travelling in at the same way, that is the thing that concerns that the authorities of the most at the end of last week. that is what is happening underneath the surface. they are stress testing and looking at how solid of the banking system is, because it will not take that much. for example, in the euro zone, where there are already existing banking problems, a collapse in economic activity, which hopefully will not happen, the weather warms up and things will happen, indications of china getting back to work, production tapping up. people should not think it is the apocalypse, but the authorities are deeply concerned. i think also it goes beyond what we might think of regular consumer products, let say from china, an iphone or nike issues. a friend of mine in california because the drug manufacturing in china is so big, they are witnessing shortages in the us. not necessarily because of the coronavirus but because china is such a big workshop for the world. economically speaking, it may be governments and economies will stop obsessing about growth and consumption in quite the same way we have in the past, given the environmental questions looming over us and other issues that come from purely looking at growth as the measure of the health of the global economy. that is at the beginning of a trend with government starting to talk about a re shoring. we have become very dependent, particularly in europe, or that trade with emerging giants like china. so a country like china, is used to be china britain s 29 biggest exports, it is now four. for all sorts of reasons, i think you will start to see, after this pandemic that is what it is, people becoming much more fashionable to try and reassure some manufacturing back to europe.” am worried about that because it comes after such tensions between the us and china, this trade war, more protection and there is, this decoupling from china. it all are almost becomes an excuse, where it becomes politicised, and therefore, an excuse for saying, look, things from china are bad. let s decouple even more. because of the political climate we have been for the past couple of years. interestingly, their own thrown in at the last week or so, it seems to have gone on him, from some of his tweets, he seems to be seen stuck speech, i didn t mean to completely cancel globalisation. it matters. . damage limitation in relation to karina wireless, are you agreeing with iain and hendry on that? do you think we are abound for a limitation of growth a severe hearing from bankers and economists, or do you think it is potentially worse? i m no economist, but before coronavirus, there was already a recession looming in germany, graef was going down. what happens germany then affects what happens in the zero zone. “ then affects what happens in the zero zone. eurozone. trade wars, somehow filling into a situation already volatile, and could make it worse. i m pretty pessimistic, to be honest. the potential upside, the good news, is that if this is a relatively brief and the weather warms up and things improved and i does not turn into a pandemic, all the historical evidence is that you then get a very rapid bounce back, and you get a huge surge in demand as people get back to work and life returns to normal. we also have quite a few events on the calendar, people need to peer down the months and see. is there going to be the hajj, the tokyo olympics, the campaigning around the us elections? saudi arabia has stopped the many pilgrimage, i can t remember the last time that happened. the problem during the hajj is that most people get meningitis shot anyway, i imagine that if this is not under control by april, may, they will have to be considered, and they may very well, either, really limit the numbers. saying, from each country, we can only have x amount. i put people into quarantine. i can t imagine them cancelling it all together, they can t, but i think they will really limit it. they have to make those decisions in. you were mentioning going to the carnival. churches, mosques, sports events, we look three april and may, are they all going to start voting in front of our eyes? no news from europe and germany last night, one event after the other is being cancelled. the international tourism fair in germany was cancelled last night. things like the olympics, of course, a massive question. there have been talks for a long time whether you can actually have it. it is a really big question, is it on to become a pandemic or not? it is the responsibility of the government to ta ke responsibility of the government to take those decisions. henry, i want to ask you something slightly more broader and cultural. xenophobia, we have seen a big problem with ethnic chinese citizens abroad. have you felt hurt? funny that you ask, i was just backing in the us and flying. i was very conscious just backing in the us and flying. i was very conscious of the fact that i was trying to do ain t looking healthy at all times are not coughing or sniffling on the flight. they were already people with surgical masks on, people taking precautions. i think there has been a reported drop in, for example, people going to chinese restaurants, just feeling that this is somehow so you can if that all chinese people of any heritage, stripe or background are somehow infected. that was also accessibility in some ways in the us by trump s travel restrictions on people entering from china. by that measure now, we should be talking about travel restrictions on people from italy, south korea. time for one last point. iain, picking upfrom south korea. time for one last point. iain, picking up from what henryjust said, it is not some weird them and others thing any more, it is us and others. this is a potentially anywhere? this is globalisation in action, the world has been speeding up, we travel more, human being are social animals. globalisation is a positive thing, it comes with a downside. you now hopefully, hopefully, we ll see coordinated global action to deal with it now. let s end on a high note. thank you all very much, a fascinating discussion, i hope you felt the same. thanks forjoining us. we re back next week at the same time. goodbye. hello there. named storms seem to be something of a trend for the weekend weather now. this is a third named storm we ve had now after ciara, dennis, storm jorge threatens to bring some disruptive weather through the weekend, initially some heavy rain through this morning, and, then, we see some strong winds as we head on into the afternoon. this is the band of rain which brought the heavy rain across the country during the morning hours. is that it is through, turns much colder, some wintry showers but then we see a swathe of damaging winds affecting our island first, northern ireland, and then spreading across the irish sea. but then it ll be a brighter afternoon compared to how the day started, plenty of sunshine around, blustery showers, these heavy, some hail, thunder, and wintry as well so it ll be quite cold. longer spells of rain or snow on the hills of scotland. temperatures range from 4 711. add on the strength of the wind, which will be a future for all but particularly in the north west it ll feel much colder than that. we have concerns with the winds initially in northern ireland this afternoon, gust 60, 70, may be more than that miles per hour, and they will transfer across the irish sea, north west of wales, anglesey, gwynedd and could see gusts of 80 miles an hour, and also northern england, particularly north west england on the coast, some huge waves crashing the shore. these are damaging gusts of wind certainly through the evening through the first part of the night. lots of showers, longer spells of rain across the north, settling snow across the pennines and across scotland. further south, blustery, not quite as wind as it will be further north, with clear spells and showers getting wintry, so a chilly night, temperatures from freezing to around three or 4 degrees. into sunday, looking quieter, this is still storm jorge but weakening and filling, sitting to the north of the uk so fewer isobars on the charts, this feature just running to the south of the uk could bring some rain initially through sunday morning for the channel islands, just grazing the south east of england but most of the rain will stay on the near continent. the rest of us, though, a much brighter day. we will see lighter wind, plenty of sunshine around, some areas staying dry altogether, but further wintry showers, across scotland, with more settling snow here. temperatures range from 7 10, later wind, more sunshine, we should feel a little bit better. into next week, for the early part of march, looking colder but a little bit calmer with quite a bit of sunshine around but also one or two wintry showers. this is bbc news. the headlines at 12.00: the most senior civil servant in the home office, sir philip rutnam, resigns and says he ll sue the government for constructive dismissal after a public dispute with home secretary priti patel. i have been the target of a vicious and orchestrated briefing campaign. it has been alleged that i have briefed the media against the home secretary. this, along with many other claims, is completely false. the uk s 20th coronavirus case is the first to catch it on british soil. a gp surgery that he visited in surrey is closed for deep cleaning. a surge in south korea, with nearly 800 new cases reported on saturday, bringing the total to more than 3,000, the largest outside china.
Process but some on the left think thatis process but some on the left think that is watering down an immediate recognition of a palestinian state the previous policy, and when it comes to unions, what is left out is what is contentious, some of the big unions are pressing for specific policies on workers rights, they think labour is trying to give himself too much leeway and too many caveats on some of the policies around hiring and firing workers. the union unite says that unless they get their way with some specifics, they will be far less generous than before and handing over cash to the labour party for this election campaign. over cash to the labour party for this election campaign. thank you, iain. we ve been talking about the commemorations to mark the 80th anniversary of the d day landings and those events have been continuing today. later, us presidentjoe biden is expected to hold talks with ukraine s president zelensky. our correspondent hugh schofield is in paris for us. hugh, tell us about what s been happening today. the d day commemorations continue
-i remember we drove him to quarantine and we all said goodbye and, like, had hugs and kisses and it was a really sweet moment. and it was just us, and that was it. he was off. -[ chuckles ] -this is gonna be good. -ilan just walks into the kitchen, starts looking in cupboards, starts grabbing stuff, and it just miraculously happened. he transformed it. -cheers! -we re almost there. -the last time iain saw his mom was in houston, in the crew quarters at jsc. and actually they re supposed to not see their kids for seven days. and we snuck him into crew quarters, unbeknownst to anybody else, for him to get a hug from his mom. -she was just reassuring me that it was gonna be okay and, i ll miss you, too, but, you know, i ll be back. -it was a very long hug, you know?
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The children weren t allowed to be around them. -i had to say goodbye to him before he went to quarantine. and i remember hugging his waist cause that s where i came to him when i was 12. that moment, actually, right here in the kitchen, um, i remember crying and just knowing how much i would miss him. -i remember we drove him to quarantine and we all said goodbye and, like, had hugs and kisses and it was a really sweet moment. and it was just us, and that was it. he was off. -[ chuckles ] -this is gonna be good. -ilan just walks into the kitchen, starts looking in cupboards, starts grabbing stuff, and it just miraculously happened. he transformed it. -cheers! -we re almost there. -the last time iain saw his mom was in houston, in the crew quarters at jsc.