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Corruption that touched on biden just like biden only seemed to be interested in firing prosecutors who were investigating his son. but my overall beef with this, bill, is it's just preposterous to be arguing it in terms of impeachment. these are not high crimes on misdemeanors. fault on both sides. to inflate it into an impeachable offense is not only absurd under the circumstances it will make this country ungovernable. if ukraine is impeachment material i don't know what president will not be under impeachment investigation in the future. >> bill: zelensky said there was no pressure. is tha...

Senators are criticizing president trump's call with ukraine's president. joining me now is former ohio governor and cnn senior political commentator mr. john kasich in studio. good to see you. >> good to see you, sir. >> you say that you're shocked by the summary, just the summary. we're not even getting into the whistle-blower's complaint. but you're shocked by this summary, but you still don't think it's impeachment material? >> well, i think the jury's still out in my mind, don. look, i was on the air just a couple days ago saying that the whistle-blower has to get to the intelligence comm...

Think it's impeachment material? >> well, i think the jury's still out in my mind, don. look, i was on the air just a couple days ago saying that the whistle-blower has to get to the intelligence committees, and then the next day i saw the senate said it should go there. look, when you read this, when you read this whole narrative, it makes you sick, okay? the question is -- here's what i think. we have to go in order. i heard the congresswoman just a little bit ago say we have a long way to go. we have a lot of witnesses. you have to do this in an orderly fashion. if you don't, if you rush to...

Trusted. >> martha: and they believe it's a sham government and the thinking is they would overrun the government in short order if they had -- if they knew that the united states was no longer a presence. they are going through just the hello's and the introductions are from the president at the moment. want to ask about something else that you are quite active on on twitter about this whole idea of the latest sort of round of impeachment material that democrats seem to want to dig into when they get back to work. jerry nadler and his judiciary committee are going to start digging into the ho...

The president has slamming him so there are plenty of kinds of impeachment material. the other thing is for perjury, you need a really clear question and answer. you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that that statement is false and if you look at how it was actually asked, you had the republicans basically saying you wanted to work in the white house, you were mad you didn't get invited to the dance, and then they literally talk over each other back and forth with cohen saying, no, no, no, i had talked about it but we ultimately decided because of privilege issues i shouldn't so i didn'...