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Republicans. if democrats were smart they'd bring republicans in, make them part of the process -- >> congressman dent, republicans, just to be clear, are part of the process. there is an equal number of republicans in that skiff yesterday who could ask questions. as mark meadows said publicly, they can ask as many questions as they want, they have equal time, they go as long as they want. that's the benefit of having private hearings at this point, and that will then go public. i want to play some of the former congressman trey gowdy said about public hearings. >> public hearings are a circus...

Only democrats leak, which as we know, that's not the case. and certainly republicans have leaked things that were said in this. and opening statements have been released. also full transcripts are going to be released. and they're going to call back these people for public hearings. so how is this like a soviet-style star chamber? >> the reason we go to the skiff is when you have classified information. on financial services i was the chair of the oversight committee and we have public hearings. why would adam schiff have closed hearings? if you're not confident in the evidence, you close it ...

Here, shouldn't they focus on that rather than focusing on the process, which as you know is in the early stages, like a grand jury isn't open, it then is going to move to open hearing? >> the congress is not a grand jury, so the concern with the process is the fact that the american people don't have all the evidence. and so what happens is -- >> right, but it's going to be released -- the transcripts will be released -- >> hold on let me tell you why we're concerned about it. we don't have it, so in secret style, schiff has these hearings, then spoon feeds leaks out to the media. then democr...

A little more transparent. i do understand why they have -- they take that position sometimes behind closed doors. i was chairman of the ethics committee, we did all our proceedings behind closed doors because of personnel matters. at the end of the day, this isn't about process and procedure. if the facts aren't on your side, if the policy isn't on your side, you argue process and procedure. that's what's happening here. because let's face it, the substance of these allegations are very serious, and that bill taylor testimony yesterday or his opening statement is very compelling. and it basic...

People give an opening statement and convict them on the opening statement. >> this is not a courtroom. >> the credibility -- >> as you said, it's not a grand jury, this is not a courtroom. >> this is a political process, not a legal process. >> right, so with the political process, you're trying to judge the president on an opening statement when you haven't heard the 10 hours of testimony and the cross examination. >> which is why he's going to be called back and the transcript is going to be released. so i don't understand -- >> the problem is that there's people like charlie who are out he...