people give an opening statement and convict them on the opening statement. >> this is not a courtroom. >> the credibility -- >> as you said, it's not a grand jury, this is not a courtroom. >> this is a political process, not a legal process. >> right, so with the political process, you're trying to judge the president on an opening statement when you haven't heard the 10 hours of testimony and the cross examination. >> which is why he's going to be called back and the transcript is going to be released. so i don't understand -- >> the problem is that there's people like charlie who are out here trying to convict the president based on the leaks. if everyone was silent, if there was no leaks, just depositions -- >> i'm not buttoned down -- >> if we didn't have information, that's one thing. >> the transcript wasn't leaked. the opening statements, those are released. >> i'm not trying to convict anybody. i want to get the facts. >> what about adam schiff and his narrative gets leaked out, so -- when you don't have the evidence it's hard to say, we're going to convict the president when i haven't heard all the testimony. that's what's frustrating for