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additional evidence that was not in the office's possession prior to my time here. the basis for business integrity in a well-functioning business marketplace is true and accurate record keeping. that is the charge brought here, falsifying new york state business records. >> bill: so bragg's decision flies in the face of what the american people think of this indictment. while 60% say they approve of the charges, an overwhelming 76% say politics played a role. 52% go a step further saying it played a major role in that poll just came out this week they are back with out here, alvin bragg said, i think the quote was, we cannot and will not normalize serious criminal conduct. i think you've had 35,000 cops who have not had a day off since last friday. if you want to criminalize serious conduct, come to my neighborhood because i could show you a ton of it myself. janine, this will come back into
with us to discuss, jeremy peters. what do these witnesses on the stand mean for both sides? >> under delaware law, you basically are guaranteed that people like rupert murdoch and the people that are corporate executives will have to testify. what gets trickier is whether or not the hosts like janine, sean, the people that were most closely involved in this lawsuit, whether or not they will have to testify in person. i think it is pretty unsustainable that fox is presenting this case to a jury, they are not going to not at least put some of the folks on the stand. it is going to look pretty bad if they are just relying on these old videotaped depositions during the case.
but mostly how accessible this technology has become to anybody with a smartphone. it's we're moments away from just being swimming in a sea of information that we can't really distinguish what's real and what's not. yeah is frightening. remember those images of trump that went viral of him getting arrested? they were obviously real, but some people thought they were real. so how would well then how even even, um what is it? chrissy tegan, who thought it was real lot of people were fooled by it. so is there. what do we do? then? how do we safeguard against this? and how do we know what's real and what's not, janine? right. so i will say that there isn't unfortunately, a single solution. there isn't a switch that's going to make a lot of this. go away, and it is going to be a cat mouse game with trying to keep up with the technology to be able to flag things as fake, but there is a multi stakeholder approach we can take to try to minimize these harms and this requires tech companies, policy makers. social education. journalists have a role to play in this, so i think that on the technical
much for joining us. the house judiciary committee is demanding alvin bragg testify before congress of what the committee is calling, quote, "unprecedented abuse prosecutory authority authority." it is great to have you both tonight. pam, i will start with you. you got congress, alleging of look, we give money to prosecutors and we have the right to at least decide whether or not that money is being properly spent especially in the way of grant. is this a proper move on the part of jordan and comer and the oversight committee? >> absolutely, janine. prosecutors to have our bounds and act as fairness and integrity. alvin bragg is showing us they
of donald trump are coming out saying what are we doing here. we are going to create a break down in the rule of law in this country and anarchy. it is horrible that a prosecutor's office is being used as a weapon against a political opponent. janine, you know what happened today, i assume. the judiciary county led by jim jordan, sent a very strong letter saying we want you under oath and we want to understand how this political prosecution began and when it began. a few months ago, he would not have trusted michael cohen for anything. there is no world -- >> joe tacopina, why would anyone trust cohen? the man is convicted of perjury and lying to congress. now, all of a sudden there is as
merit. nobody is confused about what's happening here. i have people that are on both sides of the coin coming up to me, janine, and saying thanks god the house committee is asking them to come forward. we should be looking at ags and das across the country and how they're politicizing their office. this is not about justice, it is about politics, and they need to keep it straight. >> pam. the last question, pam, the truth is you got michael cohen who has lied. he's the essential witness in this alleged crime and i still don't know what court they end up prosecuting this case in because it is an overdue misdemeanor and wrapped up with the felony where the federal election committee said there was no crime by the state prosecutor alleging a crime. but, cohen has repeatedly said that donald trump has done nothing wrong, you reference bob costello and what he said this
is they're not spending money on crime victims. what i want to ask you about the fact that this case is relying on the testimony of a perjurer, of a liar, of a trump hater, and that is michael cohen by another trump hater, alvin bragge, and by a whole series of people like mark pomerance, the guy who wrote the book. i mean, will america tolerate this in the end, if there is a trial? i don't think so. i don't think they're going to tolerate if there's an indictment, frankly, janine, i think that if you have anybody watching the news, both liberal and republican news, you can see that we have balloons coming over from china. we've got hunter biden smoking crack and he's not getting any penalty. if it was eric trump, we all know he'd be arrested in front of his children in two minutes. i don't think the world's going to tolerate it. and you can't be an anti trump or and just go into the day after day. ag's office is grand juries, what, 20 times and think that people are going to find you credible or that that's going
i want to ask you about the fact that this case is relying on the testimony of a perjury and a liar and a trump hater and that's michael cohen by another trump hater, alvin bragg and by a series of people. will america tolerate this in the end if there is a trial? >> i don't think so. i don't think they're going to tolerate it if there is an indictment, janine. if you have in this case watching the news, liberal and republican news, you can see that we have balloons coming over from china. we have hunter biden's smoking crack and he's not getting any penalty. if it is eric trump, he would be arrested in front of his children in two minute. you can't be an anti-trumper going after grand juries 20 times and think that people are going to find you credible or if that's going to give you any
the horrendous track record from new york's leftest sorrel funded and alvin brag. joining us now on more of what we can expect this week is trump's attorney tacopina. what can you tell us about the charges if they are coming or if so, when? >> you know, janine, they're not kee kkeeping us in the loop. i really wrapped my brain trying to figure out - it is mind-boggling that we are at this point. this is a case that has - i heard you said novel-legal
to give you any merit. you know, alvin bragg is a soros backed d.a. nobody is confused about what's happening here. i have people that are on both sides of the coin coming up to me, janine, and saying, thank god the house committee is asking them to come forward. and by the way, i think we should be looking at ag is and across the country and how they're politicizing their offices. it cannot happen. this is not about justice. it's about politics. and we need to keep it straight. all right, pam. and last question, pam, the truth is that you've got michael cohen who has lied. he is the main witness and the essential witness in this alleged crime. that if it ever and i still don't know what court they end up prosecuting case because it's it's a it's a overdue misdemeanor wrapped up with a felony where the where the federal election committee said there is no crime by a state prosecutor alleging a federal crime. and i think the statute of limitations is passed for that as well. but cohen has repeatedly said that donald trump has done nothing wrong.