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All In With Chris Hayes

call from january 2nd 2021 and there were tons of testimony about them. brad raffensperger made a very clear, he thought it was inappropriate for somebody like mark meadows to be actually calling cam to get involved in this. he thought that, you know what, i'm not going to bother to respond, but he did that call and said very clearly during the call to donald trump as well as mark meadows and donald trump's lawyers, look, i cannot help you. there's nothing i can be able to do. so, brad raffensperger testified on behalf of the state of georgia today, and it was consistent with the testimony he's given to the 16 committee and two other investigations. >> katie phang, stick where you are. i know you had a long day. but we want to hear more from you. i did want to bring in a couple other legals to join you. court service chief of criminal division for -- and washington d.c.. she's also co-host of the excellent podcast, the prosecuting donald trump i, listen to it every week. shang who is a former federal prosecutor who served as counsel to attorney general janet reno will join me now. mary, let me start with you

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All In With Chris Hayes

call with brad raffensperger. you are in the courtroom, how did that feel, what do you think their strategies was in doing that? >> so, it's literally put mark meadows voice up again in front of the judge. i want to know, this is an evidential hearing. during the course of that evidentiary hearing, the judge sits as not only the fact finder, but also the person who knows the law. the jurors of the fact finders and they apply the facts to the law in this instance judge jones sitting in his capacity was also determining the credibility of the witnesses. so, he saw mark meadows firsthand that the witness box, but then brad raffensperger during his direct state played those four clips and they were clips directly from that, quote, perfect call that donald trump happened on january 2nd 2021. but, we heard mark meadows saying we. and i want to emphasize this. mark meadows uses the word we all the time. when he was on direct --

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The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle

and he answered a lot of questions and we also learned from brad raffensperger, a lot of detail played out in the courtroom about january 2nd, 2021 foot call that the former secretary of state of georgia -- was on the call, he spoke the call, and mark meadows was pressed in his testimony today in court about what he was doing intervening in this way. in this election dispute. he was the chief of staff in the white house and here he was advancing the agenda of the trump campaign, and challenging the election results, despite the fact that there wasn't evidence to support those challenges. but he had to begin to answer some of that, and that of course is going to end up being the argument we will see play out as this case moves along towards trial. whether it's in the state court or gets to the federal court as meadows would like to see happen. >> i want to play a little bit of that because we have heard for well over a year trump on

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The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle

not he was going to be able to remove himself from the state court, go to federal court which is where he thinks that he has the best chance of dismissing these charges entirely. he couldn't do that and get a judge to agree unless he had some testimony or for himself or another witness to make the guard commit, hey, i was just acting in my federal duties, i'm the chief of staff of the president, after ten his calls, after ranged, i have to participate in them. and that's essentially what he argued and there are of course as you will probably ask, steph, some big caveats and what mark meadows had to say for four plus hours. >> yes, big. how big of a deal is, it filled, that we got this sneak peek, this preview from meadows to testify this early in the case. don't you kind of show his parts? >> he did, steph. and he answered a lot of questions and we also learned from brad raffensperger, a lot of detail played out in the courtroom about january 2nd, 2021 foot call that the former

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All In With Chris Hayes

finder, but also the person who knows the law. the jurors of the fact finders and they apply the facts to the law in this instance judge jones sitting in his capacity was also determining the credibility of the witnesses. so, he saw mark meadows firsthand that the witness box, but then brad raffensperger during his direct state played those four clips and they were clips directly from that, quote, perfect call that donald trump happened on january 2nd 2021. but, we heard mark meadows saying we. and i want to emphasize this. mark meadows uses the word we all the time. when he was on direct -- lawyers, he said oh that just my very gracious we have not trying to take credit for something i learned as being a politician. we do this, we do that, but it really didn't mean me, i wasn't included. but then on this call into the clips, you heard mark meadows say, well we would like to make sure we can get our hands on that voter data and we'd like to see if we can get this taken care of kind of thing.

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All In With Chris Hayes

you know he was really quick to say that there was no fraud in georgia. there are not thousands of dead people and thousands of convicted felons voting. he made it clear that he actually stayed away from mark meadows. we heard testimony from brad that there was repeated attempts by mark meadows to contact brad raffensperger. again, why would a white house chief of staff be trying to conduct the secretary of state to sort of calls? they are eventually was the call from january 2nd 2021 and there were tons of testimony about them. brad raffensperger made a very clear, he thought it was inappropriate for somebody like mark meadows to be actually calling cam to get involved in this. he thought that, you know what, i'm not going to bother to respond, but he did that call and said very clearly during the call to donald trump as well as mark meadows and donald trump's lawyers, look, i cannot help you. there's nothing i can be able to do. so, brad raffensperger testified on behalf of the state of georgia today, and it was consistent with the

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Morning Joe

mr. secretary, i can tell you, you said there was only two dead people that would vote. i can promise you there are more than that. >> that is mark meadows, donald trump's former chief of staff making a brief appearance on the infamous find the votes call with georgia secretary of state on january 2nd, 2021. that exchange was part of his legal team's defense yesterday as meadows spent five hours on the witness stand. we'll get expert legal analysis on that hearing, and on the trial date set now for the former president in the federal election interference case, which could come the day before super tuesday. plus, president biden is clearing the way for a major federal response in florida ahead of hurricane idalia's expected landfall. we'll have the latest forecast for that storm, which is projecting to be a big one. good morning, welcome to "morning joe." it's tuesday, august 29th. i'm willie geist, with us the host of "way too early," author of the big lie, jonathan lemire,

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Morning Joe

on january 2nd, 2021, on that call, saying that the illegal -- saying the election was fair, that we counted, we recounted and counted again, and joe biden won this state. what did we learn from his testimony yesterday, if anything? >> yeah, the secretary of state has said this over and over. he wrote a book about it, right? he actually wrote a book that annotated that entire phone call. the public didn't necessarily learn anything new, but now it's admitted in a court of law and can be used. his testimony can be used every single hearing going forward, every legal proceeding, every motion, every document that is filed in this case, him saying that he followed the law. he was not going to be coerced or intimidated or bullied by the former president and his top aides to find enough votes to reverse the election results. >> yeah, he is a powerful witness in all this. greg, with all this in mind, everything we've seen in the state of georgia, particularly in the last week, you at the ajc have some new polling out this morning showing how it may or may not be impacting donald trump. check this out.

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Morning Joe

is not criminal. he's also saying that he was acting in his capacity as a federal official. he said part of the interest of federal officials is making sure state elections run smoothly. we're expecting a very long day today at the federal district court behind me. four witnesses at least have been subpoenaed. we're also expecting a preview of sorts from the d.a.'s team about their case going forward. this is the first courtroom test of d.a. fani willis and her indictments. it'll be interesting to see if there's any kernels about what might be ahead in this case. >> interesting that secretary of state brad raffensperger, one of the four witnesses today, the man on the other end of the phone call on january 2nd, 2021 we heard from president trump, quote, trying to find the votes. three people chargd alongside trump in the georgia interference case have apparently flipped. the three georgia republicans falsely claim to be electors for trump but say they took the

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Morning Joe

so look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. there's nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that you've recalculated. >> january 2nd, 2021. meadows plans to argue he was acting in his capacity as the top aide to former president trump, so it should be in federal court. also today, the court will be considering a push by several of the defendants for a speedy trial. let's bring in nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. ken, good morning. let's go back to the federal matter first in washington with judge chutkan, announcing, we think, about 10:00 this morning after that hearing, a trial date for the jack smith special counsel prosecution of donald trump for an attempt to overturn the 2020 election. what are you hearing about that gulf between the proposed dates,

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