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This. barr seemed to say, you know, this was not an audition for a job. >> right. he said that was ludicrous, and of course it wasn't. by the way, he not only sent it to folks at the justice department but he also sent it to the president's lawyers. the raskins and the jay seck lows. and even if he didn't give them the piece of paper he certainly discussed what was in it. and i think the president knew. he recalled today the president actually at one point had tried to hire him as his personal counsel, they had a meeting. and the president raised what do you think of mueller, and at that meeti...

Don't worry, i've got your back and i've got the pardon power and will use it to take care of my buddies. >> so giuliani gave an update on the legal team thinking whether the president should agree to an interview by robert mueller. let's take a listen to this. >> i don't have any doubt i wants to do it. he is telling the truth and believes that the he should -- justice should win out and i'm a lawyer, have years of prosecution and defense. it's not that simple. what i believe is the truth and you're still recommending he does not sit down for the interview? >> jay and i want to keep an open m...

Bipartisan conversation, they are acting a little bit as if there may be something to hide. if there's nothing to hide, do the interview and get it over with and let's move on for the sake of the american people. >> do you agree, bill? >> not to agree with lauren on too many things here but -- the idea -- let's come back to, why this rudy giuliani and jay seck cue low do not want to sit down, they don't believe he can get through interview without perjuring himself. he says so many untruths and so many lies in five minutes you couldn't get through in one hour or two hour interview and everybod...

>> justice have adjourned for this entire term and left us with two very big decisions. the chief counsel for the american center of law and justice and judge napolitano is here. i only have a little time. i want to get right to it. jay, tell me what you think of the decision and also the fact that it has been put back in the white house's lap in terms of the responsibility to pay for these four other drugs? >> well, i think number one, no one should be saying it was a narrow decision. the startling maybe the overstatement but the court applied the religious

out? byron work is live. what do you expect? >> reporter: this is a huge case for abortion but it isn't a threat to obamacare. the mandates and exchanges and subsidies will remain intact. what it talks about is whether the government can force a for-profit institution, not a religious institution or church, but a for-profit business that provides service, some type of contraception that violates the owner's religious beliefs >> 20 different forms of contraception are covered and they object to four of them and they believe they can cause abortion. so once the conception has taken pla...