correspondent kasie hunt. just for entertainment i beat up bill karins this morning. awful. willie, you were on jury duty the past couple days. happy to serve the great county of new york the last couple days. i didn t get picked. i was a little offended. he could go one of two ways, he said cops are always right. is that bad? is that bad? you do what you have to do. go with your instinct. let s get to the headlines. congressional leaders say former national security adviser michael flynn may have violated federal law by not disclosing payments from russia and turkey. he was paid nearly $34,000 to attend and address a gala with president vladimir putin in december of 2015. he got more than $500,000 to lobby for the turkish government last year. so many things wrong with this. we knew about putin, but over $500,000 to lobby for turkey while you are the national security adviser in waiting and you don t report this publicly. that s it. while you re doing bidding for turkey. not just how do you not declare it, how do you seek that money, knowing that you re trying to become someone to serve the united states in a foreign policy capacity and you go out for jobs lobbying for other countries. not supposed to do it as a former member of the military as well. there s two layers of wrong here, right? right. katty, it s not as if turkey has been really the bad actor in nato over the past decade. he was taking some of the money while turkey was clamping down on human rights issues as well. erdogan has been pretty tough at home. you just don t do it. what s odd about this story, we ve known this this has been in the press for a while. how does he get through the security clearance when these stories are out here all during the campaign these stories were in the press that putin was taking money from the turks. i don t know where the slip-up came. there s also questions about jared kushner and his security clearance. someone needs to look closely at what people are saying in the security clearance world. jason chaffetz and elijah cummings say from what they ve seen flynn s application for a security clearance did not report the funds he received for the russia trip or show that he asked for permission to be paid by a foreign source. last night chaffetz rebuked flynn and raised more questions. you can t do this. you can t as a former military officer nothing specifically with mr. flynn, general flynn, it has everything to do with former military officers. they can t go and take money from a foreign government. you can t get a direct payment like that, because former military officers can be called up and into duty at any given time. that does beg another question which is how did he get a security clearance? if he did all those things and which can easily figure that out, how did he get a security clearance. willie, bipartisan rebuke now. michael flynn admitted in paperwork he was working as a foreign agent. you have to think about what that means. in a dispute between united states and turkey, he was representing turkish interests, not the interests of the united states. it doesn t speak well as a vetting process inside the trump transition. i think we re frankly luckily he s not sitting in the west wing right now. what s also amazing is he has violated the security elements of three different agencies, the white house, national security director, as congressman chaffetz pointed out, an army officer, supposed to inform the united states army of your activities, and he was formerly the head of the defense intelligence agency. he maintains a security clearance as former head, not at top level. it s astounding he didn t have the wherewithal to put this down on paper and doubly astounding that the trump campaign didn t force more investigation into his background during the campaign. an attorney for flynn responded yesterday, quote, as has previously been reported general flynn briefed the defense intelligence agency extensively regarding the rt, and he answered any questions posed by dia concerning the trip during those briefings. how is that possible. kasie hunt, what are people saying on capitol hill? i talked to jason chaffetz yesterday. there s not a lot of dancing around it. i said, hey, did michael flynn break the law in doing this? he said, well, there s no indication he complied with the law. i think chaffetz obviously is a little bit freed up. he s not going to run again for congress, likely going to run for governor of utah and head home. it seems like he s relatively determined to take michael flynn with him on the way out. this is something that will put additional pressure on the white house because it is a bipartisan set of concerns. chaffetz was pressed, too, on how much does their investigation relate to these broader investigations into russian meddling. he said, look, we play a supportive role, but i think it s pretty clear privately at least that they are doing what they can to try to support it. david ignatius, how does the vetting process work in this case? how does he get payments from turkey? how is he a foreign agent for turkey. it s not reported and nobody picked that up in the vetting process. as we can see, the vetting process for the trump administration itself was almost non-existent, at least in the case of mike flynn. it doesn t appear anybody asked him these questions. the letter was sent by elijah cummings in december saying, hey, what about the work you re doing on behalf of turkey. this is at a time he was publishing op eds. no questions seemed to be asked seriously at the trump transition team. michael flynn is a paradox. he was known as a meticulous officer, a master of tactical intelligence when he was in some of the most secret units that the u.s. military has. this violation that he s now accused of is something so sloppy. tens of thousands, probably millions of americans get asked for basic information on security clearances. you have to list contacts, money you receive, people you met. it s routine. every time a security clearance is apparently he did not list the contacts with russians, the money he received in january when he was getting the security clearance. that s separate from what he didn t tell his colleagues in the trump administration. that s the one that s really a head scratcher for me. it s so routine. he failed to do it, as he failed to do other things he should have in this period, and then rolls into the white house and has a very quick sudden end. katty. it speaks to donald trump s desire to have general flynn there at almost any cost at the beginning of the administration. he had grown close to him. nobody else supported him from the national security side. he trusted him and wanted him there in the white house. if that meant wavering on the protocols of the security clearances, he would make sure flynn was there. the question now is we don t know if there s anything there on the russia stuff. every time the white house denies documents, it adds to the perception that they somehow have something to hide. i can t for the life of me understand why at this stage the white house would be doing that. we ll get to that in one second, showing you another example of that yesterday we enraged elijah cummings. to david s point, it s a mystery. mike flynn is today a mystery. he worked for general mcchrystal in afghanistan running intelligence. multiple sources you hear there was no finer person for the job and no better person at doing the job than general mike flynn in afghanistan. something happened to this man along the way to have this sloppiness. there s a reason barack obama selected him, mika. to your point, the house oversight committee leaders challenged the trump administration to provide information on flynn. the white house has so far denied a request for answers relative to flynn s payments from the turkish and russian governments and his contacts with foreign nationals. the administration argues that because flynn s screening predated the start of the administration, quote, the documents generally would not be in the possession, custody or control of this office. here is press secretary sean spicer yesterday in the briefing. we didn t assume the white house until january 20th at noon. so we don t have the documents prior to assuming the white house. they listed for every call and contact he made, which is an extraordinary number. that s a very unwieldy request, to document every call that he made. every document that s asked for, my understanding he got them. how about the calls he was making during a transition on behalf of future president trump. aren t those things you should have responsibility and obligation to provide if you can? the question is if you can. when you ask for every call that s a pretty to ask for every call or contact that a national security adviser made is pretty outlandish, if you will. i listened to mr. spicer today talk about claiming that they don t have documents. i was very upset just listening to that because they do have documents. as a matter of fact, they have told us they have documents, but they found every excuse under the sun not to produce the documents. this is not some witch hunt. this is about a fight for the soul of our democracy. massive, unwieldy response. he s acting as if this is 1948 talking about spicer. it s unwieldy, no way we can do this, why don t you just ask us to dig to the center of the earth. can i have the november and december cell phone bill. that s it, boom. so massive and unwieldy, it boggles the imagination to try to even begin to grasp is it credible at all. can i have my november and december bill? sure. where would you like it spent? 1600 pennsylvania avenue, care of sean. it s not hard. this is easy. especially they have to have had logs or they should have had logs when he s talking to foreign leaders. it s not massive. look, we all fill out forms. you trust the person who filled out the form to tell the truth, and beyond that there s not a whole hell of a lot else we can do about it which is not enough when you re vetting somebody who will be at the right hand of the president of the united states in handling national security measures. what are the chances he s got something to hide and the white house is helping him? i don t know. the thing is, david ignatius, the fact that you could very easily get this information. you re acting like this is the most difficult request put forward by an oversight committee makes you look guilty. i don t think they re guilty on this. that s my gut. i think flynn showed an extraordinary amount of bad judgment, it s kind of like they lie about every contact they ve ever had with russians and then you find out later that they met with russians and you wonder, why do they keep lying about things or obstructing on things that really have reasonable explanations if they would come forward in the beginning? i have the same question, joe. it s as if they feel one breach of the dam and the entire inundation will come in on top of them. you have to choose when to fight your fights if you re in the situation the white house is in. they re facing months of investigation from two congressional committees, from the fbi. you have to decide what are you going to fight here. they ve already made the decision to let flynn go. he s on his own. he s got legal counsel, fighting this as best he can. why the white house would say we re absolutely not going to give you any records at all, it really doesn t make sense unless they intend to fight every single battle along the way, and that s a recipe what a year we re going to have if that s the case. that s what i don t understand. if flynn made a mistake, just help the people investigating that mistake. they don t need to cover up for michael flynn. the government is set to run out of money on saturday, but there are signs the risk of a shutdown is abating, the white house possibly delaying the timing on the main sticking point, funding, a down payment along the wall on the mexico border. is president trump willing to sign a government spending bill that does not include that money? yeah. i think the bill, at least the offer we received from the democrats the last couple days included a good bit of money for border security. in case anybody have any question, the wall is going to get built and the wall is going to stop drugs and stop a lot of people from coming in that shouldn t be here. i watch the shows and the pundits in the morning, they don t know what they re talking about. the wall gets built, 100%. soon. we re already preparing, doing plans, doing specifications, doing a lot of work on the wall and the wall gets built. in your first term it s certainly, yeah, sure, sure. we ve got plenty of time. a lot of time. our priorities are clear going into fy 17, the remainder of budgeting for that, we ll continue to ask in fy 18. so it s delayed for now? no one said delayed. there s two budget processes. we ll end fy 17 this week. we hope to continue to get funding for both border security and home labd security and national defense as we ve always maintained. when we come to fy 18 that starts at the beginning of october, end of september, in that next budget we ll go for the next group of money. by the way, you can see why, the sean spicer variety show outrates the soap operas in the afternoon. it s the best variety show since flip wilson. the ratings are good. tweeted from the breitbart article, picked it up from what the president said yesterday. i watch these shows and the pundits in the morning, they don t know what they re talking about. i ve got to say i take that personally for our friends over at fox & friends. he doesn t watch us, doesn t watch cnn. so to insult steve and greg and is it greg? greg brian. steve and brian and ainsley. i m working hear so that s why i don t watch it. why would you insult reince had like 80 number one books, by the way. he s great. those three are really nice, good people. doing their jobs. you get the president of the united states tweeting negative things. i m going to read this again. i m so insulted for them. it s like he bites the hand that feeds him. they re so nice to him. he was very clear in that recent interview, he doesn t watch. he s not watching. he s given it up. i watch these shows this was yesterday and the pundits in the morning, they don t know what they re talking about. i ve got to say, everything i ve heard about our friends over at fox & friends, these are good people and they work hard. they don t deserve, willie, the president of the united states attacking them at these press conferences. using the bully pulpit. i guess he s calling them fake news? no. he says they don t know what they re talking about. couldn t be more clear in that interview. he watches fox & friends. who is he sayingali at fox & friends ? that is unkind. it really is. they re very supportive. they re nice. the triggering issue here which was the border wall, that triggered the conversation. on monday trump says i m not going to let the border wall hold up this issue. the next morning the white house scrambles and says the border wall is still a priority. trump comes out yesterday and says the border wall is still a priority. he still wants a wall. the question is, is he willing to go to the wall for the wall? you have marsha blackburn saying yesterday, actually wall, fence, it could be a combination of the two. talking about blimps and drones, i don t know wild coyotes with cameras on their heads. am i the only one thinking when i say mulvaney, he says one thing and the president of the united states says another thing. and sean disseminates it. it s almost as if there s a staff level basically saying, no, there s not going to be a wall right now. the president saying there s going to be a wall. like nikki haley, she speaks a completely different language. i m miming it. she s pretty good at that. you can t really see it, but it will be there. don t do that because people are going to be stuck to that. it s a wall. you just can t see it. is that dirty. no. what did i do. president trump, you re right, sometimes she does act moronic. i m miming a wall. is that dirty? jen? you re good. i got a signal for you. still ahead on morning joe are we done? is that it? clearly. kasie hunt, you chime in on the wall. what are they going to do with this wall? don t do any dirty hand signals. wild coyotes with cameras on their head or what? i mostly think members of congress wish donald trump and nick mulvaney would stop talking about the wall. you talk to republicans in the hallway. shh, if you stop talking about it we ll start building it without any headlines. at the same time we re talking about a billion dollars. that s going to build, what? six inches? i ll mime it for them. it will be the most beautiful i want to see the blimps that say trump usa going over hot air balloons. from calexico to san antonio. for sanity, wipe wouldn t you have a virtual wall. maybe just welcome from trump. i don t think so. going the other way. still ahead on morning joe, all 100 senators are set to come to the white house today for a briefing on north korea. we ll talk about why some democrats are criticizing the meeting. also this morning they better from the chocolate cake. congressman adam kinzinger and representative kevin brady on the president s push to reform the tax code. also ivanka s trip to germany. ann was there, right? bill, what s up, man? what are you doing to us? it s almost may. we re going to boo and his. it s going to be about 75 on saturday. that s about the best i can give you. can you do me a favor? every time it rains, barnicle hits me with his walker. fortunately he has the little tennis balls on the bottom to soften it. all right. let s take you to raleigh yesterday. at this time it was pouring rain. we had a lot of 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exercises with japan. the north flexed its military muscle with its largest live fire drills yet. david ignatius, we re going to be talking in a minute about the president inviting all the members of the senate over to speak with him tonight. how serious has this crisis become? i think our military leaders take it very seriously. the simple reason is that a conflict on the korean peninsula, once it starts, would likely have devastating effects for south korea s capital of seoul which is just across the dmz, a metropolis completely vulnerable to north korean attack. so i think people take it seriously. the president has decided the era of patience is over. we re going to push for some resolution. trump has been very successful in getting china s help in pressuring north korea. we re now entering a period where it s easy to imagine miscalculation. there s a lot of study going on about how the north koreans respond to escalation, what their ladders of escalation are. we re getting close to the kind of nuclear showdown that we remember from decades past but have not seen in any recent years. katty, how nervous are our allies? everybody is nervous and increasingly so. things like the hundred senators going to the white house, is that political theater? because they could be briefing them at the senate. they don t have the pictures of them coming over to the white house. there does seem to be a realization that the north koreans are speed up the progress of the ability to combine a missile to the united states with a warhead that could survive the journey. if they get to there by 2020 which seems to be what most experts could be, that s in trump s term. so he has to deal with this. president trump wants to host he s planning to host a rare meeting at the white house welcoming all 100 senators. kasie hunt, tell us what the controversy here is? he wants to discuss the north korea situation. some senators think there s some other ulterior motives. reporter: private grumbling among democrats to what this looks like. it would happen in the secure compartments they re called, skiffs, underneath the capital that are built to hold 100 people and all of their staff. now you are going to see these senators get on bus, drive to the white house, get out of the buses. some talk that the president himself might stop by the briefing. they have to build potentially a room that will hold all of them in a secure way. seems like a lot of work just to have a meeting. reporter: right. the same officials are going to the hill later today to talk to the house of representatives, there are 435 of them. there is no secure room at the white house to talk to 435 people. democrats are a little annoyed about the whole thing. it does send a message, though, i think a pretty powerful message to the north koreans and i don t know whether that s a positive thing or a negative thing. if the purpose is, mike, to deliver a message that the united states government is getting together in an unprecedented way, that may not be the worst thing. the united states government is confronted with a situation akin to october of 1962, the cuban missile crisis with a novice president sitting in office and this is another element of the cabinet that a lot of people are thankful for, that you have general mattis there to help guide this president. david ignatius, i d like to ask you about this in terms of the danger, the threat north korea does pose. the weight of the presidency itself, while north korea poses this threat, recent developments, pakistan, the taliban in afghanistan are rising the temperature is rising there every single day. i just have come back, mike, from traveling with general mattis last week in the middle east. i think for general mattis, very experienced, unflappable commander. there is a sense of a world that s really quite radically unstable, problems all over. i think the benefit of having mattis as secretary of defense and other members of this foreign policy team are pretty good, is that they are experienced. they re not excitable. we saw in the response to the syrian chemical weapons attack, they prepare options quickly and well for this president. so as we head into what is a disturbing, dangerous confrontation with north korea, i think there at least is cool, calm advice. someone like mattis, a general who has been through combat is the last person who is going to impulsively jump into war. people need to understand that. generals do not want to risk their troops or the lives of anyone else. so that s a useful thing for trump. david, you write in the washington post that mattis and trump are the odd couple that works. quote, as president trump nears the 100-day benchmark, it s a good moment to examine the relationsh relationship. it s an unlikely partnership, but so far it mostly seems to work. trump may have relatively few domestic policy accomplishments to show after three months, but he can take credit for selecting a generally solid national security team and listening to its advice. traveling with mattis last week in the middle east, i had a chance to watch the delicate balancing act. what mattis and the other former commanders bring to trump s national security table perhaps paradoxically is a wariness of overly haste stay military commitments. david ignatius, despite donald trump s image in the press he actually ran somebody as commander-in-chief who would be restrained before using military force. so what he said on the campaign trail actually lines up with their natural inclinations i guess. it s fascinating to watch. here is mattis who trump delighted in calling him mad dog who is one of the more reflective commanders around, trump always thumping out these disruptive chiefs, who as he looks at the decisions he has to make as president is i think generally certainly conscious of the dangers. they re going to have to thread a very narrow needle on north korea. they decided they re going to address the question now, as mike said it, time is wasting. there s a clock ticking. i think they re not wrong in that. but it does put the country, the world in a period of unusual danger. we know from donald trump s campaign he had total destain for washington bureaucrats, for people who work at the top of the government. who he does respect are ceo s, rex tillerson who has been successful, and military generals. as david said, he loved the mad dog thing. trump always talked about patton. i think he believed that general mattis is his general patton, a guy he will listen to and respects. people say he s more like marshall than patton, and he does listen to him. joe, you said it s not a bad idea for these senators arriving in the white house, it sends a message to north korea. there is one countertheory at the moment that actually what the white house needs to start doing is toning down the rhetoric, by ratcheting up the tension at the moment they risk painting themselves into a corner where some military action or mistake comes more likely. there are a lot of people in europe saying can we tone it down. david ignatius and kasie hunt, thank you. washington post bob costa has new reporting on growing conservative report for a new plan to reform the health care system. plus, ivanka trump s tough audience. the first daughter got booed after mentioning her father at a summit in berlin. we ll go live to hallie jackson traveling with ivanka in germany ahead on morning joe. usaa gives me the peace of mind and the security just like the marines did. the process through usaa is so effortless, that you feel like you re a part of the family. i love that i can pass the membership to my children. we re the williams family, and we re usaa members for life. anyway, here we are. my eighth and final appearance at this unique event, and i am excited. if this material works well, i m going to use it at goldman sachs next year. 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in the broken places, reverend. oh, my god. joining us it s awful, isn t it? so good seeing rev here. he drives me to prayer. can we all pray? can we all. reverend al sharpton. also with us chair of the department of african-american studies, columnist for time magazine, eddy glou, junior. a huge event, it s coming up. it starts today. i m the keynote speaker. explain to everybody what i m going to say. you re making your speech now. this morning actually eric holder is the keynote speaker, the former attorney general, then tom perez. you ve got bernie. bernie sanders. this is like the first national gathering of civil rights leaders, grassroots activists, faith leaders since trump has been in. ironically, providencprovidence will mark the 100-day mark of president trump s tragedy as we try to deal with human rights, police reform, the wall. have you communicated with him? i said we would meet if he would meet with the collective civil rights leadership. i understand omerosa may come to our convention in the next two or three days. he needs to meet with everybody. i m not interested in photo ops. let s deal with the real issues and the real policies. you ve got to go from sound biting to governing now. people are suffering. there are real things that need to be dealt with. i think posturing and positioning is over. let s deal with the real issues. i think that s what our convention is about and that s what we would talk to him about. we had a couple days on this show, i think back-to-back segments, congressman maxine waters who said i will not work with donald trump. right after that conversation elijah cummings says i will listen if he s serious about getting some work done. where do you fall on that spectrum? first of all, we have different roles. nobody is better at what she does than maxine waters. i think elijah cummings, clearly leadership there. leading a civil rights organization, we have a different role than someone who has to deal with their constituents and trying to get bills passed, not bills passed. the art of politics is compromised. the art of civil rights is to try to change policy and to advocate to get things done. for example, at our convention, parents of of trayvon martin, we work with real victims. this is not some policy on a placard onto us, it s real. a lot of people deal with the real pain of people. where do you fit in that spectrum? do you just resist or do you seek middle ground? i m not saying you but what do you think the civil rights movement should do. best speak to most vulnerable. that s the key. the overarching value, the overarching commitment is pursue policies that will benefit circumstances of most vulnerable and most marginal. what will that entail? assessing policy recommendations of the trump administration. it will involve aligning your self with folks resisting some of those policies. it will involve organizing. this goes to a question i want to ask you, reverend. what do you expect to hear from bernard. he s been getting flack over his inability to bring that economic populous message speaking to how race intervenes. what do you expect to hear from him. bernie sanders challenge, and i said to him, you cannot deal with saying kill identity politics, economic pollism and not deal with the racial problem in even dealing with economics. because when he caucus about we must bring politics to main street, the difference between main street and martin luther king boulevard, we can t act like the people on main street don t have some advantages that people on martin luther king boulevard has. i think that s the challenge. do you think he s tone deaf to that fact? i don t know if he s tone deaf in that i don t know he s articulated his feelings he s communicated to us. he really understands it. why did he do so poorly with black americans? i think he was not able to articulate to them he understood the race divide. i think coming to the convention is him reaching out trying to get that done because he understands and lives it. not just bernie. it s the women s movement, a lot of other movements, where they are progressive on certain issues and not progressive on others and don t understand the black community. in many ways, joe, you and i disagree politically but have the same kind of cultural understanding of the church. a lot of them don t have any reference point because it s all intellectual. do you think that s in part because of the south? you re from the south, i m my parents. the church and the central role. church, hip-hop culture. a lot of hip-hop is anti-church. i think they just have a cultural divide they haven t realistically dealt with, which is what speaks to the question. i think echos something said yesterday on this show, there s some ways in which we don t see each other in connection, we don t see each other in relation. think about those girls kidnapped in d.c. think about there was a town hall meeting in d.c. about what was happening and hardly any white people showed up because it didn t fall within the sphere of their moral concern. as long as we are interacting with each other, with these boundaries in front of us, walls in front of us, talk about walls, it s very difficult to imagine people connecting around political issues. so what policies do you think this administration is putting forward that really addresses the needs of the vulnerable. that s what we need to hear? are there any? we have not heard any. certainly what we heard is that we re going to cut back on our fight around voter questions. we re going to deal with this whole question of sanctuary cities. we re going to cut back certain entitlements, they call entitlements. it has been all negative. we are seeing in this convention we ve got to resist what they are trying to go back and policy going forward. i ask you both you guys, how important are the state attorney generals. very. are they about as critical as they have ever been. one of the things we re going to come out of this convention with is the model in new york that governor cuomo, who is also speaking, made is appointed a state special prosecutor on police shootings as a way to take the politics out from county prosecutors. that s a way to deal now because we can no longer go into a ferguson or baltimore, go to the federal government when sessions said i m not dealing with these cases. we re coming out saying use new york model congresswoman okay started having special state prosecutors for it, but also remembers local elections, right governors, legislators. what you do is study what we ve done in the past. when the national government votes one way, you start organizing on the ground, and that s what we start today. organizers around the country, color change, super pac a around trying to elect proper d.a. s in certain areas. reverend sharpton, thank you so much. thank you for coming. brother joe sanctified. sanctified. i m going to anoint you. verified. my oh my. eddie glaude verified. my god, i m going to punch him. the people said come on. amen. i know you re in manhattan, you will not melt. before he passes the plate, i m not giving you just as i am, pass the plate. stop. two great reporters covering the trump white house, new york times peter baker and washington post robert costa. later hallie jackson joins us live from berlin with her exclusive interview with ivanka trump who says she doesn t appreciate being called her father s accomplice. morning joe is coming right back. stay with me, mr. parker. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time. stay with me, mr. parker. .saving time when it matters most. stay with me, mrs. parker. that s the power of and. at crowne plaza we know business travel isn t just business. there s this. a bit of this. why not? 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you should see there. watch that. james gardener and julie andrews. 1964. i m saying. you went so fast i didn t hear the name of the movie. the americanization of emily. stop it, mika. michael flynn may have been onto something, may have violated federal law by not disclosing payments from russia and turkey. mika, why don t we introduce the guests. welcome back to morning joe, wednesday april 26th. with us we have washington anchor from bbc world news america katty kay, columnist eddie glaude, jr. everybody, verified. verified. that should be said loud with an amen. wait a minute, eddie glaude, jr. verified. amen. chief white house correspondent for new york times peter baker who does not want to be on this show anymore. look at poor eddie. chair of department of princeton. he doesn t know what he s doing here. he just wants to get back in the taxi we provided him. we don t provide cars. but he s verified. just stop, joe. political report for washington post and msnbc analyst robert costa. i loved chris matthews on hardball says he s new host of washington week. he s too young for that but okay. bob costa, your response to that. your response to chris matthews right now on national television. it s an honor to do it, happy to do it, happy to be part of the washington team. look at that. that guy should be white house that guy should be a white house spokesman. i like bob costa and i love chris matthews. it was funny. he just says what he thinks. right here. we love it. congressional leaders are offering look at eddie. the wall. that s what president trump is going to do when he visits the wall. can t get through it. everybody who walked around him, look at this wall, this beautiful wall. tell us about michael flynn s work overseas. paid $34,000 toed attend gala with vladimir putin in 2015. then again, mika, who hasn t done that? and he got more than half a million dollars to lobby for the turkish government last year. the leaders of the house oversight committee chairman chaffetz and democrat elijah cummings said from what they have seen flynn s application for security clearance did not report the funds he received for the russia trip or show that he asked for permission to be paid by a foreign source. last night chaffetz rebuked flynn and raised more questions. you can t do this. you can t as a former military officer, nothing specifically with mr. flynn or general flynn, it has everything to do with former military officers. they can t go and take money from a foreign government. you can t get a payment like that. former military officers can be called to duty any time. that does beg another question, which is how did he get a security clearance if he did all those things. we can easily figure that out, how did he get a security clearance. peter baker, that s the question, how did he gets a security clearance. the second, obviously trump administration saw something wrong with this guy and let hill go. why did we have sean spicer dragging his feet on full disclosure when they knew this guy was bad news. they fired him. got rid of him. fired him after he was national security adviser for 24 days because he told vice president and other people in the white house that his conversation with russia s ambassador didn t involve the question of sanctions but, of course, it did. he s raised all sorts of problems for them. he was only national security adviser for 24 days. he s still hanging around their neck almost 100 days into this administration. obviously something they would as soon not answer for. congress asking for documents we don t have. the pentagon gave the documents they have. we re not responsible for anything that happened before january 20th as if the transition wasn t really involved with the white house. but it s clearly a situation where, you know, they would be done with the guy and can t shake him. sean spicer asking questions, reporters asking for transparency about his cars and interactions. take a listen. we didn t assume the white house until january 209 th at noon. we don t have documents before we assumed the white house. every call he made, an extraordinary number. that s a very unwieldy request, to document every call he may or may not have made. every document they have asked for, it s my understanding they have gotten them. when he was working during the transition on behalf of future president trump, aren t those things you should have some responsibility or obligation to provide if you can? i think again it s a question if you can. that s a pretty i mean, to ask for every call and contact the national security adviser made is pretty outlandish, if you will. ckatty, the britishish we can t figure out how to get telephone records for the past two months. what do the british do in this case if you need to find out who somebody called over two months. we can t figure this out. probably call up the carrier and ask them for the logs of the phone carrier. do they keep those? back to about two or three years, wouldn t you think? coming as a request from the white house, for example, you might have a bit of clout. what about jason bourne uses them. jason bourne we have a much bigger problem on our hands. maybe that s the question that should be asked. has he a cell phone and uses it. bob costa, what we re trying to figure out this morning, obviously they fired the guy, got rid of him. so why wouldn t they just comply with congress and give congress whatever they need? general flynn is the specter that continues to haunt this administration. he never seems to go away. more unanswered questions week by week, even though he s left the white house. one variable in this whole equation, where is congress on the flynn question. the republicans control the house and the senate. you have chaffetz stepping down as oversight chairman. where is the oversight of this administration, writes the state of some of these investigations about general flynn. it seems like he s hanging out there as this issue, but there are still so many unanswered questions. is chaffetz stepping down now or the end of his term. he signaled he s likely to step down before his return but his exact departure isn t clear. to me the question is watch st. john spicer s performance, twisting and turning, saying we all fill out forms, we trust what happened. the perp that fills out the form, take their word, we couldn t get records, too cumbersome. protecting michael flynn, he s gone. what are they doing? protecting themselves from something just not clear what that something is. the president s last words from michael flynn as far as i understand is that press conference, rather peculiar press conference, which he still said michael flynn is a wonderful guy badly mistreated by the media. that is where as far as we know donald trump stands on michael flynn. didn t he call the investigation a witch hunt also. yes. i think it s really important although we can focus on michael flynn, michael flynn is a point of entry to broader question of russia s role in the election and trump s connection to russia. i also say, peter, baker, very concerned about turkey. this is obviously a country that s been creeping towards autocratic rule over the past five to seven years. the fact that he would during the election receive during the campaign receive money. half a million dollars. half a million dollars and lobby for one of the most dangerous leaders, certainly that used to be a close ally, is very concerning. the turkish firm that hired him, that has ties to the government specifically wanted him to work on the case of this cleric, this turkish cleric living in pennsylvania, erdogan, president erdogan blames for coup attempt. they asked for americans to extradite him and americans said no. $500,000 to a person in great power on this issue just a few weeks after receiving the money. so it s a pretty you know, it s a pretty, you know a lot of smoke there that makes you ask a lot of questions. what was this money for? what was michael flynn doing accepting that when he knew he was going to go into a position of power that would determine the very case. what was the op-ed, remember that, peter, and what date was it? the op-ed came out on election day from the hill newspaper and it was all about how the americans had no business protecting this guy. this guy, cleric in pennsylvania they were talking about, equated to islamic terrorists and said obama administration was wrong to shield him from thet. that the turks. that s a straight policy on something he was about to have great influence on. strange election day message. all things to raise on the day you re hoping the guy you want to be president and be his national security adviser is elected to stick your neck out for turkey and find out later it s because you were taking $500,000. doesn t look very drain the swampish. stick your neck out for tyrannical leader to send somebody back to turkey. bob, again, i m curious. anything inside the white house, why are they defending general flynn at this point? it s a mystery in many respects. what happened after the election, after governor christie of new jersey was purged, in essence, from running transition, you saw general flynn assert, have a real grip on power within national security structure around president-elect trump and president trump. that has caused a ripple effect in the administration where flynn in his accolades have been seen as the people who were closest to the president. that unsettled some people close to the president and other republicans. flynn was close to the president so he was allowed to move forward. all right. another federal judge has dealt another blow to president trump s agenda. the judge blocked the white house from withholding federal funds from local governments that prevent their police from cooperating with federal immigration authorities. it s part of the president s crackdown on so-called sanctuary cities. the judge ruled the president s order unconstitutional because it imposed conditions on federal funds that had already been issued or approved by congress calling the president s action too broad. the white house fired back during a briefing with reporters last night. chief of stance reince priebus said, quote, it s the ninth circuit going bananas. adds the idea an agency can t put in reasonable restrictions on how money is spent is something that will be overturned eventually. he added we ll win at the supreme court at some point. the president himself weighed in a short time ago tweeting, first the ninth circuit rules against the ban, now it hits again on sanctuary cities, both ridiculous rulings. see you in the supreme court. that is a correct response. instead of questioning the legitimacy of the judges, that is a correct response, see you in the supreme court. peter baker, i understand a lot of people watching this show were very offended by the executive order, second executive order, maybe offended by the president doing what he s doing with sanctuary cities. i find it hard to believe this supreme court or any supreme court, or any democratic president would want a federal judge in the ninth circuit to be able to stop them from doing these sort of things. i m sure president obama and president clinton would think it is outrageous as one federal judge in texas being able to stop what the president wanted to do on immigration. is it safe to say the president is probably right here? that these cases will face pretty strict scrutiny by the u.s. supreme court? there s no question we see a real continuation of what was happening under the obama administration, you know. if you re against the president, any president, on a particular policy, you go find a judge in a friendly state. if you re a republican you go to texas, democrat, you go to california. you ve got a case to make. so what you see is the boundaries of executive power being tessed here, first under president obama, now under president trump. you re right. it s going to go to supreme court probably eventually, although the president was wrong to say ninth circuit making the ruling. not the ninth circuit. it s a judge in the ninth circuit but appeals court hasn t been asked to rule on this. if it does, upholds this ruling and goes to the supreme court he now has neil gorsuch on there, be interesting to see how that changes things. the supreme court has been skeptical. one of the things the judge cited saying federal government can t enforce cities to use basically to run a federal program is the ruling by supreme court in president obama s health care case. remember, it upheld health care program but one of the elements of that ruling said it cannot force states to extend medicate the way president obama wanted them to. in effect, president trump is now upended on the same principle that upended president obama on his health care program. i m sorry, just going to say the argument from this judge is the president of the united states does not have the power of the purse. he can t say in an executive order we re going to pull back federal funding. it might be a different question if he went through congress and actually got a bill passed, then he might have something. remember, sanctuary cities are by a majority of this country viewed as unpopular, if you look at polling. some polling says a lot of people don t like them, some say it s a little more than a majority. more americans than don t think sanctuary cities are wrong. if he plays this right and works it through congress, he may get his way. i will say a larger question asked that, geb, president obama and his allies were have you frustrated that conservatives would forum shop, find a judge in texas that could stop immigration executive orders that were that they found to be offensive. and one federal judge in texas could just put a brake on everything nationwide. instead of just in texas or just in that circuit. same thing with the ninth circuit here. one federal judge in san francisco to give the power to one federal judge to stop the law from coast-to-coast is something that i actually think the supreme court itself and congress and the president at some point need to look at, because how would you i don t know. but there is a problem here. and again, whether you love trump, hate trump, love obama, hate obama, there is a problem that activists can forum shop, find one federal judge that will agree with them and just won t stop it in their town or in their community or even their circuit but peter baker, now have a way to stop something nationwide. again, as frustrating as it is for the trump administration, it was equally frustrating for the obama administration that one judge in texas cousteau what white house wanted to do through an executive order. this is not at this point about liberal conservative, it s about an executive power and the president of the united states and however he and at some point in the future she can go implying authority through the power of his own pen. and you know, conservatives thought president obama was going too far. they found judges who were able and willing to p stop it. now the shoe is on the other foot. it s interesting to watch people on both sides of the isaisle, o course, suddenly expressing concern on the other side, gosh, how can a single judge stop our president when, of course, that s exactly what they tried to do to president obama. understandably so. suddenly democrats are also concerned that a president would use executive power too expansively. so willie is right, by the way. you go to congress. that s a different thing. if congress passes a law, the courts are going to look at it differently. that s not what happened here. it is a case of president deciding to use the power of executive to affect change. a new world of opposition to presidents when critics can use courts not that courts haven t always been a check on presidential power but it does seem to be increasingly used on policies you ve seen in the last four or five years. peter baker, thank you very much. robert costa, before you go, any last minute movement on health care? yes, there was some movement last night, mika. the freedom caucus, including three members of its learn cder cut a deal to have a revised health care bill. -of- note of caution reporting all this. even though freedom caucus may be coming along on health care, that doesn t mean the votes are necessarily there to pass a bill on the house floor. this is movement from hard-liners to come along. thank you very much. chairman of house ways and means. for every action on health care, there s an equal and opposite reaction. so chances are very good if you picked up three members of the freedom caucus, you probably lost three conservative to moderate mainstream republicans. all right. kevin brady joins us live. plus he s been a tremendous champion of supporting families and enabling them to thrive. the new reality of you hear the reaction from the audience, so i need to address ivanka trump on stage with some of the world s most powerful women forced to defend her father s controversial statements on women at an event for women. we ll get a live report from hallie jackson. marie starts her chicken pot pie with a crust made from scratch and mixes crisp vegetables with all white meat chicken, and bakes it to perfection. because making the perfect dinner isn t easy as pie but finding someone to enjoy it with sure is. marie callender s. it s time to savor. ivanka trump wrapped up her first overseas trip as a member of her father s administration fl joining us from berlin chief white house correspondent hallie jackson, who sat down exclusively with the first daughter. hallie. reporter: hey there, mika, good morning to you. ivanka trump is already looking ahead to her next international trips mostly shrugging off scattered jeers you might have heard from this time around saying afterwards of those boos, politics is politics. in berlin the singe of the spotlight, ivanka trump interrupt on international stage by a handful of hecklers hissing. he s been a tremendous champion of supporting families. at a summit focused on empowering women. you hear the reaction from the audience of the focus at first on one man. his daughter asked to defend him and define her role? who are you representing, the father as president of the united states, the american people or your business. certainly not the latter. trump looking to focus instead on ways to empower female entrepreneurs. on that stage with angela merkel who invited you here. there s been talk she is using your relationship the two of you to establish a back channel to the president? i don t think she s using the relationship. i think she sees me as a woman who is aligned with her on many issues. i think she has a great relationship with my father. in germany, her father is far from popular. the president s controversial travel ban a stark contrast to germany opening its doors to syrian refugees. ivanka trump now going further than her father on whether those refugees should be let into the u.s. i think there is a global humanitarian crisis that s happening, and we have to come together and we have to solve it. and you know opening the border to syrian refugees. that has to be part of the discussion but that s not enough in and of itself. trump promoting policies like expanded child care and paid leave calling for bipartisan backing. i m incredibly helpful that legislation is put together and obviously i m a big advocate. her title, assistant to the president. her label who is considering herself a feminist on the panel. feminist. and fierce defender of her father. i do think there s an obligation upon us and upon all women to support and to hold each other up and be inclusive. one of the things that s become clear over the last 24, 48 hours here is ivanka trump is still working on defining what exactly her role is. there s a lot of talk about listening and learning and bringing together ideas, looking at the time line down the road but still questions when all this talk about helping to empower women in the workforce will actually turn into action. one of the things trump did talk about after the panel, by the way, guys, is the idea this child care tax break will be included in her father s tax reform rollout today. as you know, this was one of her signature issues out on the campaign trail. mika. hallie jackson, live from berlin. thank you very much. look at this, we always look at the newspapers. shot here front page of the washington post. front page of the ft. new york times. also wall street journal. doing well. so what do you think? about what? about all of this, the booing of ivanka? i thought it was bad form. i thought it was bad form donald trump didn t shake angela merkel s hand. bad form. she s assistant to the president, so she s in the arena, in the public arena. if you re in the public arena, these things happen. but you know, i wouldn t have done it. it was interesting over the weekend the whole slew of polls that came out suggested obviously that crowd had concerns about her role but a lot of americans do, too, about her role and jared kushner s role, indeed, in the white house. even a majority of republicans have some questions about what exactly she s doing, law enforcement people in the white house themselves wonder what she s doing. first of all, my gut is it s rude to boo. i don t get it. you don t have to clap. but in general bad form. i thought the question was totally legitimate, both of them. sure. they were. they could have prepared for that. if she s on a listening and learning tour, she should have been asking the questions on the panel. who should have been asking questions. ivanka, put her in a different position. yeah, but when they ask you to come on a panel, you don t go, hey, i ll come to the panel but i ll be asking the questions. a lot of this was orchestrated by the white house itself. they could have rethought how they exactly positioned her. i think the moderator knew exactly what she wanted to do. ivanka was put very forceful. she didn t hold back, which she might have done in that situation with the daughter of the president of the united states. she asked very fair questions. what is the role of the first daughter. and are you here representing the president or your business? you look at some of the things president trump has done, he s rolled back trabs parnes for equal pay for federal workers. we re already seeing setbacks in this white house. rolling back funding of international organization that provide counseling on abortion. that s had a big impact. we ve already seen it in places like africa and developing world where people rely on those services for information about reproductive issues. the politic, the optics and the merits. the political question, it makes sense to me. why angela merkel would want her on that stage. she s assistant to the president, makes sense. the optics, i understand it. that was negotiated. i understand the optics. when lie and see lagarde, merkel, then ivanka trump, the gravitas of that stage, i don t understand how she gets there. i don t understand why she gets there. i m struck by the fact she s up there doing whatever she s doing. it s just something i just wanted to express. this is just the reality, though. donald trump listens to his family. i don t think so. donald trump listens to his daughter. she was talking about syrian refugees have to be dealt with brf isn. isn t that interesting, not on the same page. have him pay attention, it s a short list. i think ivanka trump is on it. so we cannot like her being on that stage, or maybe she doesn t deserve to be there, if that s what you think, but she is as close to president trump as anybody. i think if she can be an asset, if she can be the conscious and heart of donald trump that maybe he doesn t have on some things, we haven t seen that yet, if she can be as some people hope she could be. that s a good thing. we can rale against her being there but that s a good thing because donald trump wants her there. also, better her and jared than say some other people who had his ear throughout the end of the campaign and the beginning part of the campaign. you know, we look at what s happened on the national security council, we look what happened inside the white house, david ignatius, tom friedman, bob woodward, all these things saying things going better on the national security council. that didn t just happen. there was a battle inside the white house. guess what? jared and ivanka won. it would be unreasonable to say there are not any goods that may follow from nepotism but it s still nepotism. as it was when my her okay, my political hero was appointed attorney general for his brother. and republicans didn t like that back then. i think if you look at bobby kennedy s record, you would say some good things came out of that. no, ivanka trump you re comparing ivanka trump to bobby kennedy. you don t have to be so noty. i was just curious. you don t have to be so rude. the fact of the matter is they are not bobby kennedy as you were about to say. you wanted to get your cheap shot in so you got your cheap shot in. not saying ivanka and bobby kennedy, bobby kennedy did a lot of things before he came attorney general for united states of america. just like bobby kennedy had a question, he called the one person he trusted in the world, bobby kennedy, and they sat there and talked. when donald trump needs to talk to somebody, he talks to these two people. you may like it, you may not like it but as willie said, that s the reality. it s still not normal. we re talking about normalization, the fact his daughter and son-in-law it s still not totally normal in the traditions of american politics. of course not. very few things about donald trump, willie, as president of the united states is normal. i think you and i are saying the same thing. we re not endorsing having your family in the cabinet. no, we re not. i don t think he listens to them from whether or not i m seeing. he doesn t watch us. he watches fox & friends. i have to say ore. i think he listens. he attacked fox & friends last hour and that upsets us very much. coming up congressman adam kinzinger held first town hall since republicans pulled their plan for obamacare. we ll hear about that. the president s push for a border wall. he joins us ahead on morning joe. how to win at business. step one: point decisively with the arm of your glasses. abracadabra. the stage is yours. step two: choose la quinta. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at business. what s the story behind green mountain coffee and fair trade? 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the way we actually went through health care came through the energy and commerce committee which i m on. it s really where the frustration has been what happened since. went through regular order, house freedom caucus talking about regular order. all of a sudden house freedom caucus wants to negotiate directly which is out of that. that s frustrating. from perspective, ways and means talking about this for a long time. changes looks different, come in that don t like this or love this provision. now you know, of course, the white house is going to have their view of it. the two will get married together at some point. it probably won t look like either of ours but hopefully some jet fuel on the economy, that s our hole. willie geist, good to see you. you, too. you re on foreign affairs. i want to ask you about north korea. from your standpoint where we are now. some say we re on the brink of something that looks like the cuban missile crisis. i m not sure we re there yet. how do you view this? closer than we ve been. i don t think cuban military crisis. think about it, military even libertarian people here, we have a military for threats like this. when united states is threatened by a nuclear weapon. i think right now what you re seeing from the administration, they are using the military instrument of power for force and to be able to strengthen the diplomatic instrument of power. that s the hope is that ultimately we can get to an answer through diplomacy. we have to be ready for that not being the case. kim jong-un is literally crazy. eyes a nilist, if we re in the shores or range of intercontinental ballistic missile, which he s practicing every week and getting better at it until he perfects it, this is something we have to be concerned about. hey, we see moore. martin luther king said curse of poverty has no justification in this age. we know from robin hood and from my perspective, we know while philanthropy is important, it will not be able to fix what policies have forged. as we re having conversations about these cuts, how do you see the most underserved, the poorest of us, how does that impact have on communities that oftentimes are left out of that conversati conversation. we re not going to see and what we haven t seen from this president yet from his economics he s set out, any real specifics, any effort to focus on the least fortunate. that s also the case in the health care plan. there s a lot of fear out there. it s part of the reason that republicans had a lot of trouble gaining consensus on a repeal and replace bill that this is going to really impact folks who can t afford to pay for health care, folks who need access to care and wouldn t otherwise have it. medicaid in particular and allow states to really pull back on the efforts to help those folks. so i think this is going to be it s really a big unanswered question about this administration, how they are going to try to approach that. we do hear, as you guys were talking about before, there s going to be some sort of family paid leave component to this tax plan. i think it remains to be seen whether the president is going to prioritize that the way bill clinton prioritized hope scholarships when he was pushing for a big tax overall. that may end up having impact. we haven t southeastern much in the way of proposals from this president to address the problems you re talking about. new york times, julie davis, thank you very much. thank you so much, julie. adam, final question. we ve been talking on the show past couple of days or maybe the past almost 100 days about the white house getting its act together as far as having the right foreign policy leaders to work with the president in times of crisis. what s your relationship with the white house, though, and what s the status of the white house s ability to work with congress and to be able to count votes and to put together a package that will actually pass the house and pass the senate so the president can sign it? so the foreign policy side of this white house i ve been money away by in a very good way. a level team, making really good moves around the world. when i actually had my first interaction with the president at the white house during health care debate and there were ten of us in there, i have to tell you i was really impressed first time i met him where he was asking folks what are your concerns with this bill. somebody would mention a concern and look at folks and say, is there something we can do about that? is that possible to fix in the bill? i was really struck about how engaged he was in that process. coming off six years of president obama who i met twice as a member of congress, both times in a receiving line at christmas parties versus within 50 days being called into the white house, meeting with president trump, and actually having talked a number of times with vice president pence, i think that bodes well for working this through. let s have no doubt, this is going to be a very difficult process to get tax reform. if we thought health care was tough, this is like tough on steroids. great. all right. congressman adam kinzinger, thank you so much for being on the show this morning. still ahead, is the way your 401(k) taxed about to fundamentally changed? 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yes. what are you looking for? part of the thing we re looking for is collaboration and coordination. like i was saying earlier, fi philanthropy alone will never fix with policies have created. housing and transportation and health and mental health, you know, violence, recidivism, education, these are all issues that policy have a really important part to play. i think part of the role of robin hood is to make sure we re addressing the hul an need right now and using philanthropy in a hard led way but understanding the fact that we need to have policy makers on board as well as they are thinking about how they are creating budgets that are supporting the least advantaged of us. such a great combination of one of the great charities in the world and great leaders in the country. totally inspired choice by robin hood, well done. wes, thank you very much. michael flynn cast a long shadow over the white house even though he resigned two months ago. plus, it s not just president trump s poll numbers that are down but the american presidency itself. a look at an institution in distress. morning joe will be right back. last year, he said he was going to dig a hole to china. at&t is working with farmers to improve irrigation techniques. remote moisture sensors use a reliable network to tell them when and where to water. so that farmers like ray can compete in big ways. china. oh . he got there. that s the power of and. our 18 year old wase army in an accident. 98. when i call usaa it was that voice asking me, is your daughter ok? 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but over $500,000 to lobby for turkey while you are the national security adviser in waiting and you don t report this publicly. that s it. how do you not declare that? while you re doing bidding for turkey. not just how do you not declare it but how do you seek that money knowing that you re trying to become someone that s going to serve the united states in a foreign policy capacity and you go out looking for jobs lobbying for other countries? you re not supposed to do it as a former member of the mill friday as well. two layers of wrong here, right? right. it s not as if turkey has been really the bad actor in nato over the past decade. no, he was taking some of the money while turkey was really clamping down on human rights issues as well and erdo gan has been tough at home but this has been in the press for a while. how does he get through the security clearance when these stories are out there are during the campaign these stories were in the press that he was taking money for the turks. i don t know where the slip-up came that he got through the security clearance and there s questions about jared kushner s security clearance at the moment. someone needs to look closely at what people are saying on the security clearance forums. jason chaffetz and elijah cummings said from what they have seen, flynn s application for a security clearance did not report the funds he received for the russia trip or show that he asked for permission to be paid by a foreign source. last night chaffetz rebuked flynn and raised more questions. you can t do this. you can t as a former military officer, nothing specifically with mr. flynn or general flynn, it has everything to do with former military officers. they can t go and take money from a foreign government. you can t get a direct payment like that because former military officers can be called up in into duty at any given time. that begs another question, how did he get a security clearance if he did those things and we could easily figure that out, how did he get a security clearance? a bipartisan rebuke here? yeah, and i think that it comes down to the fact that michael flynn has admitted in paperwork he was working as a foreign agent. you almost have to take a step back and see what that means. he was national security adviser and dispute between the united states and turkey, he was representing turkish interests, not the interests of the united states. it s amazing it made it this far. it doesn t speak well of the vetting process inside the trump transition and i think we re frankly lucky he s not sitting in the west wing right now. what s also amazing is that he has violated the security elements of three different three different agencies, the white house, national security director as congressman chaffetz pointed out, army officered supposed to inform the united states army of the activities and formerly the head of the defense intelligence agency and maintains a security clearance as former head of the dia, not a top level as if he were the head but it is as stounding he did not have the wherewithal to put this on on paper and doubly as tounding that the trump campaign did not force more investigation into his background during the campaign. an attorney for flynn responded yesterday quotas has previously been reported, general flynn briefed the defense intel yens agency extensively regarding the rt speaking event trip both before and after the trip and answeredny questions that were supposed by dia concerning the trip during those briefings. how is that possible? kasie hunt, what are people saying on capitol hill? reporter: i talked to jason chaffetz about this yesterday, not a lot of dancing around it. did michael flynn break the law in doing this? he said there s no indication that he complied with the law. so you know, i think that chaffetz is a little freed up. he s not going to run again for congress. likely going to run for governor of utah and head home. it seems like he s relatively determined to take michael flynn with him on the way out. i think this is something that is going to put additional pressure on the white house because it is a bipartisan set of concerns and chaffetz was pressed on how much does the investigation relate to broader investigations into russian meddling. he said we play a exportive role but it s pretty clear privately at least they are doing what they can to try to support it. david ignatius, how does the vetting process work in this case? how does he get payments from turkey? how is he a foreign agent for turkey and it s not reported and nobody picked that up in the vetting process? as we can see, the vetting process for the trump administration itself was almost nonexistent, at least in the case of mike flynn. it doesn t appear that anybody asked him these questions. the letter was sent by elijah cummings in september saying what about the work you re doing on behalf of turkey. this is a time when he was publishing op-eds advancing the turkish government point of view. no questions seem to have been asked seriously at the trump transition team. michael flynn is a para dox. he was known as a me tick house officer, a master of intelligence when he was in some of the most secret units the military has. this violation that he s now accused of is something so sloppy. the tens of thousands probably millions of americans get asked for basic information on security clearances, you have to list contacts and money you received, people you met. it s routine, every time security clearance is renewed, this happens. he didn t live the contacts with russians and money he received in january when he was getting the security clearance. that s separate from what he didn t tell his colleagues in the trump administration. that s the one that s really just a head scratcher for me. it s so routine, he failed to do it as he failed to do other things he should have in this period and then rolls into the white house and then has a very quick sudden end. katy? it speaks to donald trump s desire to have general flynn there at almost any cost in the beginning of the administration. he had grown close to him. no one else supported him pretty much from the national security side. if that meant some apparent waivering of the protocols on security clearances, he was going to make sure flynn was there as national security adviser. the question now, we don t know if there is anything in on the russia stuff, but every time the white house dough nigenies docu the oversight committee or any committee investigating the russian ties it adds to the perception that they somehow have something to hide. and i can t for the life of me understand why at this stage the white house would be doing that. we re going to get to that in one second, showing you another example which enraged ed ee lij cummings. it is a mystery, mike flynn is today a mystery. he worked for general mcchrystal in afghanistan running intelligence in multiple sources. you heard there was no finer person for the job and no better person at doing the job than was then general mike flynn in afghanistan. something happened to this man along the way to have this sloppiness. there s a reason to the point, the house oversight leaders challenged the trump administration to provide information on flynn. the white house has so far denying a request for answers relevant to flynn s payments from the turkish and russian governments and contacts with foreign nationals. the administration argues that because flynn s screening predated the start of the administration, quote, the documents generally would not be in the possession, custody or control of this office. here s press secretary sean spicer yesterday in the briefing. we didn t assume the white house until january 20th so we don t have the documents prior to assuming the white house. they listed for every call and contact that he made, which is an extraordinary number that that s a very un very unwielding request to document every call he may or may not have made is not exactly a request that s able to be filled. but every document they asked for. my understanding is they ve gotten. how about calls made when he was working during the transition on behalf of a future president trump, aren t those things you should have some responsibility or obligation to provide if you can? i think again the question is if you can. when you ask for every call i think that s a pretty there s to ask for every call or contact that a national security adviser made is pretty outlandish if you will. is ch i listened to mr. spicer today claiming they don t have documents. i was very upset just listening to that because they do have documents. as a matter of fact, they have told us they have documents but they found every excuse under the sun not to produce the documents. this is not some witch hunt. this is about a fight for the souls our democracy. massive unwieldy he s acting as if this is a 1948 spicer, i m talking about. it s unwieldy, no way we can do this. this is impossible, why don t you just ask us to dig to the center of the earth and live there? why don t you just i have my november and december cell phone bill, please. that s it. boom. it s so massive and unwieldy. outlandish. it boggles the imagination to try to even begin to grasp is it credible at all at this stage? could i have my november and december bill? sure where would you like it sent? 1600 pennsylvania avenue. care of sean. i mean, it s that hard. this easy. and especially they have to have had logs or they should have had logs when he s talking to foreign leaders. it s not unless you don t want people to know about them. sort of like the criticism they have for hillary. hillary clinton and. exactly. they also said the defense on not knowing these turkey and russia with general flynn was look, we all fill out forms. you trust the person who filled out the form to tell the truth and beyond that there s not a whole hell of a lot else we can do about it when not enough quh you re vetting somebody at the right hand of the president of the united states. what you see is it doesn t have to be a physical wall. it can be components of surveillance and fencing in some areas because of the way the drug cartels work, you know that you have to have increased surveillance in the area. i told you, joe. i told you. you don t see the wall. it s there. oh, my gosh, i can t get through it. it s right here. can t you see it? that s going to be the wall. the white house backs oef calls for border wall funding to keep the government open while some republicans are increasingly saying we don t need to actually see the wall. let them go because the wall would keep them in here in the u.s. let them go home. they probably want to leave. severe weather, bill karins. speaking of wanting to leave, should we get out of here before bill starts talking. go take a break. good morning, everyone, severe weather will be the big story. yesterday we dealt with the flooding in the raleigh area, a lot of vehicles were submerged and water in some businesses, that storm system was the same that caused all of the travel delays up to the northeast. we re still dealing with that storm, still a lot of drizzle and low visibility, 45 minute delays at laguardia and half hour delays in philadelphia. here s what it looks like in new york. you can tell why we have the delays. it s kind of gloomy low ceiling like this and slow downs the airport. as we go throughout the afternoon today, all eyes will be out here in the middle of the country. already at this hour, severe thunderstorm watch from the dallas area just about to little rock. severe thunderstorms this early in the morning means the atmosphere is very ripe, has hey lot of energy available with it. we have a spin in atmosphere and threat of tornadoes, 12 million people at risk, area of greatest concern, little rock, shreveport, monroe, alexandria, little rock. this is the area we may watch it, maybe even a strong tornado or two. we haven t had too many bad tornado episodes this spring, hopefully we ll get through today safely. we ll wait to see this afternoon. leaving you with a shot of capitol. washington, d.c. promising a little sun by the end of today, 76 warm degrees. you re watching morning joe. we ll be right back. stay with me, mr. parker. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time. stay with me, mr. parker. .saving time when it matters most. stay with me, mrs. parker. that s the power of and. bp uses flir cameras - a new thermal imagining technology - to inspect difficult-to-reach pipelines, so we can detect leaks before humans can see them. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. why pause a spontaneous moment? 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yeah, because the bill the offer we received from the democrats the last couple of days included a good bit of money for border security. in case anybody has any questions, the wall is going to get built and stop drugs and going to stop a lot of people from coming in that shouldn t be here. i watch these shows and pundits in the morning, i don t know what they are talking about. the wall gets built, 100%. soon. we re already preparing and do plans and specifications and a lot of work on the wall and the wall gets built. in the first term? it s certainly going to sure, we have plenty of time. we have a lot of time. our priorities are clear going into fy 17, remainder of budgeting for this and we ll ask for more in ny 18. it s delayed for not? no, no one said delayed. no, there s two budget processes, we ll end fy-17 this week and hope to get funding in that as the president laid out for border security and homeland security and national defense as we ve always maintained then when we come to fy-18 beginning of october, end of september, in that next budget we ll go for the next group of money you can see why sean spicer variety show outrates the soap operas in the afternoon. it s the best variety show since flip wilson. it s great stuff. it s ratings are good. it must be good. i get this quote tweeted from a breitbart article, i watch these shows an the pundits in the morning don t know what they are talking about. take that personally for friends over at fox & friends. he doesn t watch this and never watches cnn. to insult steve and greg and is it greg? steve and ryan. ryan. and ainsley, i m working here, that s why i don t watch it. why would you insult brian has had like 80 number one books by the way. he s great. but those three they are so nice. they are really nice, good people. doing their jobs. and you get the president of the united states knocking them. tweeting negative things. kasie hunt, you chime in on the wall. what are they going to do with this wall? wild co-yoetties with cameras on their head or what? reporter: i mostly think members of wish they would stop talking about the wall. you talk to republicans in the hallway, they say, if you stop talking about it we ll kind of start building it without anybody noticing or writing headlines about it that would throw all of the renchs into it. we re talking about a billion dollars that will add six inches exactly. but it s going to be beautiful. coming up on morning joe took over for paul ryan on the congressman rays and means committee, kevin brady joins us. morning joe is coming right back. i m dr. kelsey mcneely and some day you might be calling me an energy farmer. energy lives here. lwho s the lucky lady? 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i think our military leaders take it very seriously. the simple reason is that a conflict on the korean peninsula once it starts would likely have devastating effects for south korea s capital seoul, just across the dmz, a metropolis that s completely vulnerable to north korean attack. so i think people take it seriously. we the president has decided the era of patience is over and we re g to push for some resolution, trump has been very successful i think in getting china s help in pressuring north korea but we re now entering a period where it s easy to imagine miscalculation. there s a lot of study going on how the north koreans respond to escalation, what their cycles and ladders of escalation are. this is we re getting close to the kind of nuclear showdown that we remember from decades past but have not seen in any recent years. katty, how nervous are allies. everybody is nervous. it s hard to determine whether things like 100 senators going to the white house is political theater but there does seem to be a realization that the north koreans are speeding up the progress of that ability to combine missile that can travel to the united states with a warhead that can survive that journey. that s the con undrum they are dealing with. that s in trump s term so he has to deal with this. president trump wants to host and planning to host a rare meeting at the white house welcoming all 100 senators casie hunt, he wants to address the north korea situation but some senators think there s otheral tear yor motives. there s private grum bling among democrats to katty s point what this looks like. normally a briefing like this and this was something requested by mitch mcconnell the senate majority leader, it would happen in the secure kpatmentes under neither the capitol built to hold 100 people and all staff. now you are going to see the senators get on buses and driver to the white house, get out of the buses, there s been some talk that the president himself might stop by this briefing. they have to build potentially a room that will hold all of them in a secure way. so democrats want to know how much that will cost. seems like a lot of work for a meeting. they are going to the hill later today to talk to the house of representatives because there are 435 of them and there is no secure room at the white house to talk to 435 people. so democrats are a little ann annoyed about the whole thing. millennials may not give president trump particularly high marks but they do agree with the president about taking action in one key area. we ll tell you which one when we reveal brand-new poll numbers from harvard. right now wall street s fear gate is headed for the lowest close in three years. investors seem super calm and that s making cnbc s brian sullivan very nervous. he ll explain why straight ahead. bp developed new, industry-leading software to monitor drilling operations in real-time, so our engineers can solve problems with the most precise data at their fingertips. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. manait s a series of is nsmart choices. and when you replace one meal or snack a day with glucerna made with carbsteady to help minimize blood sugar spikes you can really feel it. glucerna. everyday progress. how to win at business. step one: point decisively with the arm of your glasses. abracadabra. the stage is yours. step two: choose la quinta. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at business. people don t realize canada has been rough on the united states. i love canada but they outsmarted our politicians for many years. this has been going on for a while and we re not going to put up with it. mr. president, do you fear a trade war with canada, sir? do you fear a trade war with canada? not at all. why not. they have a tremendous surplus with the united states. whenever they have a surplus, i have no fear. welcome back to morning joe , katty kay are back with joe and willie and me. remember canadian bacon john candy. great flick. yeah. blame canada. we had every right to in the film. we certainly did. joining the conversation, brian sullivan, the markets continue to climb even as president trump essentially fired the first shot in a trade war with canada. tell us about it. we forgot the two best canadian imports, neil young and the band rush come on, man, you should have stopped with neil young. steven stills, let s talk about real trade here. it s amazing how sanginn the market is how sanguin is it? the vility index we talk about that all the ti. it s the name of your new band morning joe and the vix, people are calm now corporate earnings are good and global economy tends to be recovering but you have north korea saber rattling and you have the still have the possibility of the french exit if marine le pen pulls off a surprise win. but the market doesn t seem to be worried because corporate earnings and the economy seem to be humming along. so does that worry you that they are not worried? is this like 1927? or 1999 or 2007. when things get san quin i tend to get nervous, when everybody is optimistic and confident, maybe that s when you should just worry a little bit, right? back up a little bit. i remember in 2006, 2007, everyone is like, got to get into real estate. why aren t you in real estate? got to get into real estate. no money down, man. no money down, exactly. and equity line and buy a solid gold boat. i did that. i did that. quicker than you think. fortunately had an interest only loan and still paying on it but it was a great deal at the time. canada trade war, brian sulliv sullivan, go. this has been going back to 1982. honestly 1982, 1986 was the first time a levy was imported. the canadian government owns the trees and private corporations own the trees so they think they are illegal subsidizing it. will canada tariff things like cars and heavy machinery and fruit juice? those are the main imports we send. the market doesn t seem to be that concerned. raise your hand if you thought that trump would start a trade war with a country that began with the letter c. and if you thought that country that began with c would be canada and not china? i wonder if the trump die-hards are frustrated by the softening tone on china. can i check on something, when the president says there s a huge trade deficit with canada, it s not, right, 15 billion, it s ttiny? that s oil too. we import a ton of canadian oil. real trade imbalance will be reduced to one word, which is oil. you ve got to kind of take that with a grain of salt. so why is he doing it then? well, listen, my thought honestly as somebody who has a home in wisconsin, this is a giant kiss to wisconsin oh, okay. it s a state that largely delivered the presidency to trump and also making comments with commerce secretary ross about canada s milk issue, you re going after dairy and lumber. those are two things very keen to the cheese heads, my semipeople s heart. i wonder if this is a giant kiss to my adopted home state. i think you just answered the question, it s wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania and ohio that he has to win to get re-elected. the paper today about correlating the milk producing states and states that voted for trump up there. it s the dairy state. i wonder, that s my own thing, first thing i thought, a lot of logging trucks in upper peninsula michigan and a lot of milk. trump spoke by foreign with just justin tru due over the decision. acknowledge the leaders had spoken about trade issues and describes the conversation as very amicable. but the statement from ottawa on the issue of soft wood lumber, the prime minister refuted the baseless allegations by the u.s. department of commerce, referring to accusations that it gives canadian companies an unfair pricing advantage by providing subsidies. the prime minister also vowed to vigorously defend its interests when it comes to dairy trade. but that was the same call. very different read outs. but the canadians are so nice, i wonder if what we view as an a.micable call they view s some sort of tension. jim car is the natural resources guy and he s the guy that will front all of this and guy to listen to. jim karr. thank you very much. let s bring in the chairman of the house ways and means committee, republican congressman kevin brady of texas. good to have you on board, sir. good morning, thanks for having me. mr. chairman, great to have you. we were just talking about a possible trade war with canada. what are your thoughts on what the president said yesterday regarding lumber and dairy? these are longstanding trade disputes with canada. you expect the president to stand up for american interests here. they are real problems in these areas and there are some others as well, which is why i would look bigger than that. i think the president s approach on modernizing and inviting canada and mexico to the table, taking a very deliberate approach and asking how do we make this agreement work better for america and make it work for the 2 1st century, that s the biggest picture and why the markets are calm about this. this is what presidents do in these two areas. the wall street journal called it trump s new housing tax. if it will raise the cost of u.s. homes. do you share the editorial page s concern there? i think in trade there are always big impacts on this and part of nafta s strength is that it has put three of the largest trading partners together in a very integrated network and it s worked awfully well. it needs to be modernized in my view. you met yesterday with mitch mcconnell, speaker ryan, among others, secretary min ugs and gary cohen as well. productive meeting and what do you make of the tax plan that the administration is trying to put together? what do you think is the most important thing about it? yeah, very productive meeting yesterday. thinking through and working through how we roll up our sleeves and go to work to put together a plan that house senate and white house can move forward on together, today i think is an exciting day for the president to layout his key principles. i think there s 80% or more common ground. here we ve got some work to do in the number of those areas but i think the president i ll leave the news to him but i think he s going bold. i think he s putting his political capital and leadership behind it and they are determined to work with us in the house and senate to get on the same page. i think that this year in tax reform so those are all very positive steps. mr. chairman, it s willie geist, good to see you this morning. many businesses in this country for years have complained about the corporate tax rate being at 45%, not competitive with other rates around the world and makes business more difficult. president trump proposed a 15% corporate tax. do you think there s a way to 15% that has been tried before but failed over and over? why would it be different this time? i think you re right, the initial we re not competitive anymore in our rates, in our taxing worldwide. i would argue in the other country s border but on the rates themselves i think we ought to go as low as we can. go as bowlld as we can, not jus corporations but every style of business, whether it s that small business owner operator or someone else, it s critical to do that. i m anxious to get down and deep and see how bold we can go. think it will happen, mr. chairman? 15% or maybe 20%? look, the house republican blue print has 20%. we re working to go lower on that rate. we want to be competitive as we can but again, i think we too believe that we also have to go after our competitors on no longer taxing worldwide and somehow i think it needs work, we need to have equal taxation in the u.s. of products whether they are foreign or made in america, just as our competitors do. congressman, two quick questions, can that reduction to 15 or 20% on corporate taxes be revenue neutral? there s some criticism of the tax plan it s pro profit but not necessarily pro growth. what do you make of that? the answer to the first is yes, it can, counting on economic growth, the house and republican blueprint does break even within the budget. and i think that s critical for this reason. i think if you want to ask questions how do you get the greatest growth for the greatest number of years, you want tax reform that is bold, that balances and built to last. if it is permanent and good tax reform, that s where you get the greatest number of years of growth. how might the tax proposals affect the circumstances of every day working people in this country, people are catching so much hell in this country. how might this address the taxing purposes? and the second question, in 2012, the congressional research service issued a report, a 45-year study and said that the tax rate doesn t necessarily correlate to economic growth. so how would you respond to that claim without dynamic scoring being the reason? let s start with the first. for many americans, you know, seeing an economy that s 9% bigger than when we had today and where wages will grow for a family of four in texas about $5,000, those are big impacts and good ones. but secondly, for most americans under the house blue print and working with the white house, i m convinced we can get there, nine out of ten americans will be able to file using a simple postcard style system. that simplicity and fairness, middle class america and all americans frankly are hungry for. so i m confident we can move in big steps there. on the other question too, you ve got to have very we know what our competitors do to beat us. they have low rates and don t tax worldwide. they border adjust, we go straight at them in those key areas, that s how in making it permanent and making a balance with economic growth, i think is where we get the greatest growth numbers. all right, congressman. kevin brady, thank you very much. thanks for being with us, mr. chairman. you bet, joe. some of the other news stories we re following the senate confirmed former u.s. attorney rod rosenstein as the next deputy attorney general because he ll oversee the government s investigation into russia s election meddling following the recusal of jeff sessions. he has agreed to appoint a special prosecutor if one is required. rosenstein has yet to make that pledge publicly. and pope francis with another papal first, the pontiff s first ted talk. just out this morning. this video of him addressing the conference telling people, quote, how wonderful would it be if the growth of scientific and technological innovation would come along with more equality and social inclusion? we get good news from the pope. unfortunately willie, some sad and depressing news from the retail world, that suggests that american culture is on the skids. and the end may be soon. well, yeah, nordstrom s is offering the opportunity to show case a day of actual labor. they are selling premuddied jeans for the low, low price of $425. bring the way, these things seriously in brooklyn, you can t keep them. denim embodies rugged americana work wear. why don t you work why don t you caked on muddy coating that shows you re not afraid to get down and dirty. this is seriously this allows this and pepsi. narrow shouldered millennials to have seven fantasy football teams and playing xbox all day, call of duty and it s unbelievable. and those jeans not only is that a terrible idea but they cost $400. take $400 to have fake mud. $200 for the jeans and $225 for the mud. the pope called for a revolution of tenderness and this is the juxtaposition with that call so we can jeb is jeb and jeter. marlins, yeah. i think it s they got a valued deal. i don t think there were other deals but they won the right to go into negotiation. this has been jeter s dream for a long time. talked about it when he was a player. michael jordan was his mentor and owned the charlotte hornets. this is i think this is a path he was going to be on and partnered up with jeb who knows florida. there weren t a lot of bidders. serious bidders, yeah. all right, up next good for jeter. director of harvard polling joins us and you ll be surprised to learn the millennial voters don t rate the presidency highly. it s been you know, defaced keep it here on morning toshio squt. it s hard to poll them because there s mud on their jeans. sfx: engine revving (silence) knows how it feels to seees your numbers go up, despite your best efforts. but what if you could turn things around? 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another federal judge has dealt another blow to president trump s agenda. that is a correct response. see you in the supreme court, because i find it hard to believe that this supreme court would want a federal judge to be able to stop them from doing these sort of things. what you see is the boundaries of executive power being tested here. president trump wants to host a rare meeting at the white house welcoming all 100 senators. it sends a message, though, to the north koreans. they re going to have to thread a very narrow needle on north korea. what you re seeing from the administration is they re using the military instrument of power to be able to strengthen the diplomatic instrument of power. there are signs the risk of a shutdown is abating. is willing to go to the wall for that wall in the government shutdown. like this, look. this is the wall. i m miming it right now. the ball. that s the wall. that s definitely just some of the ground we ve covered so far. just some of the ground. they edited other stuff off. the director of polling at the institute of politics at harvard university, john della volpe. the institute is out with its latest survey of young americans and the results do not reflect well on president trump or washington. also with us from washington, columnist at the washington examiner kristen soltis anderson. 41% of millenials give him an f. but u.s. institutions, the presidency, federal government, congress, all just battered. we see a continued decline in trust in every major institution that we test. the concern is while politics is incredibly relevant to this generation right now, the appeal of public service, the appeal of politics is as low as it s ever been in our survey. i think that s a deep, deep concern. kristen and you ve writtn a book on these voters, on millenial voters. it seems that they re more engaged than ever before, watching on tv, following it. following it almost like a sport in a way that it never has been before, and yet the approval numbers go so low. what does this mean? what should politicians and leaders take out of these sort of findings? i think what leaders should take out of these findings is while young voters may be paying a lot of attention, it s because they re deeply concerned all sorts of institutions and things that are supposed to be there to help people, make people s lives better, keep society stable, functioning, unified, these all seem to be things that society is not doing well, that the government is not doing well, and so young voters are ticked off but are not interested in the traditional ways of getting engaged. they re very unlikely to say they want to run for office, to say they want to be engaged in public service and i think that s a big problem. if you have this continued frustration with the system but a lack of desire to do any of the traditional things to upend or change that system, does not just mean the pressure continues to build here. and, john, i think it s not related to trump, is it, this disdain for washington? i mean this is this has been simmering for quite some time. i think a lot of young idealistic millenials were more inclined to vote for someone like bernie sanders than donald trump. i don t think there s a question about that. donald trump received about 37% of the millenial vote, the 18 to 29-year-old vote, collective the third party plus republicans received 45% which is enough for them to win on a national basis. but i travel across the country doing town hall meetings, last week in columbus, ohio, they want to hear about the present and the future. they are desperately interested in rolling up their sleeves to help unite, not further divide america. i hope that message gets through to washington, both leaders in both parties right now. just following up on that question, is this their participation in third party efforts and independent movements, does it suggest they re just simply deeply suspicious of current institutions which means that they re still engaged politically but just deeply suspicious of kind of engaging in fundamental change through those institutions? generally, generally yes. when i ask a partisan breakdown, we actually see 48% of young people 18 to 29 leaning democrat or strongly suggesting that they re a democrat. so democrats have an opportunity to galvanize this generation, but they just haven t taken that opportunity quite yet. kristen, one of the things you hear from leaders at all these marches we ve seen the last three months, this is great, we ve got a big crowd, our message is being heard. we now need leaders to run for office and get into the government. are you finding in your study, in your conversations with young people that, yes, they re opposed to what s happening in washington, they trust in these institutions has fallen but some are willing to go to washington to change it? i think it s going to take a couple of years. we ll have a couple of election cycles of seeing if more of these millenial candidates start showing up. this poll does not suggest that young voters want to pursue that path. i think part of it is because so much of how you run for office in the u.s. is focused on you ve got to pick a party and run as a republican or democrat. i don t think that s terribly appealing to a ton of young voters. in this poll it was the young voters that identify with third parties who were the most interested in running for office. this isn t just a u.s. phenomenon. if you looked at exit polls coming out of france s election this last weekend, the two major candidates who won a lot of young voters were the two sort of populist candidates outside the system. the actual traditional center right, center left candidates combined only 19% with young voters. so this rejection of traditional party politics is not just a u.s. thing, it s happening around the world. john, i keep hearing people saying an independent can never be elected in the united states. i don t believe that any more than i believed them saying donald trump could never get elected. i think it s coming. there is such disruption. bernie sanders, democrat/socialist is the most popular person in the democrat party today. young people care about issues and being engaged rather than party identification. the one thing i will say is there is a bridge to young people from the white house. 60% believe donald trump cracking down on people who engage in unfair trade practices will make america better. 37% say it will improve their individual life and the lives of their family, so there is a bridge to this generation for the white house and for others to begin to kind of tap into that. democrats it s about equality. for republicans it s about america first. interesting. and speaking of republicans, kristen, how bad is the situation for republicans and millenial voters? it s very bleak. this poll shows a huge advantage for democrats on party identification. on a whole host of issues, younger voters, even in just the last five years, have moved more progressive, whether we re talking immigration, government spending. so really the two issues where younger voters seem to align most with trump s rhetoric are trade and then the issue of foreign engagement. the question of should america be militarily involved overseas. trump s policies themselves have not always matched up with the rhetoric he had on the campaign trail and even that wasn t always consistent, but certainly those are the two places where republicansth most connection with young voters. it s the places trump agrees more with bernie sanders than establishment republicans. so this should be a big wake-up call or continuing wake-up call for more establishment republicans and their disconnect with this generation. kristen soltis anderson, thank you very much. john della volpe, thank you as well. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. thank you, mika. thank you, joe. i m stephanie ruhle live in washington, d.c. the president set to unveil his new plan. a big cut for businesses and an increase in the standard deduction that could save you thousands. this from just moments ago. this is going to be the biggest tax cut and the largest tax reform in the history of our country. blocked again. the president blasting another judge s decision in an early morning tweet storm, his favorite, after his plan to defund sanctuary cities was halted. this is why we have courts, to halt the overreach of a president and attorney general. and nbc news exclusive, ivanka trump one on one after receiving scattered boos while defending her father as a women s conference. you know, i don t like the word accomplice because in this context i don t think that that s productive. we bin
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