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"the new york times" and not yet been verified by nbc news was allegedly sent in early december 2020 by trump leather kenneth, in the newly obtained note he outlines what would be known as the fake electors scheme which claims former vice president mike pence had the power to block the certification of the votes on january 6th. of course he didn't. he wrote to a trump lawyer about what he acknowledged, quote, was a bold controversial strategy but claimed he was not trying to advise this course of action. "the times" reports one day after sending that memo ended up on the desk's personal lawyer at the time, rudy giuliani. he admitted the supreme court was likely to end up rejecting the plan, but even in that case he claimed airing it out publicly would, quote, buy the trump campaign more time to
why are they doing this? why are you having this massively funded super pac? it's on the weekend. and again, there were some other events that were better, but going back to ramaswamy, later that same day, i saw him in an even smaller town two hours away with triple the size of that crowd. it looked a lot better. and you think it speaks to the problem that desantis is having getting any excitement for his campaign. >> you know it's bad when you can actually count the crowd. tim miller, thanks for the great reporting and insight. that's our show for tonight. it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. the>> good evening, alex, i'm speed reading this new york times report about the memo that is crucial evidence in jack smith's latest indictment of donald trump. you're the pronunciation expert for kenneth -- >> i am not. can i take a moment to apologize to you? i hadn't unglued authority is chesbrough, and then it's cheeseborough. you think they would take it.
just in case there are, you know, lawsuits that are successful, then we can go back and use these. the language in this memo, it's very different. it's not saying just to preserve, it's saying this is an alternate. this is a different way that we can use these, whether or not this litigation is successful, and that change in language is pretty stark. >> does it prove that donald trump was more involved in this if it's coming from one of his lawyers? >> not necessarily. i mean, at the time, kenneth chesebro wasn't understood to be a lawyer for the campaign. jim troupe is was. there's nothing that ties it directly to donald trump, other than some of the facts we know about. you don't have to be involved as a defendant. >> acting on advice of counsel could be one of the defenses for donald trump. this is a lawyer send ago memo citing it seems statutes, citing other legal minds out there, and
other unindicted coconspirators. >> yeah, victor. we learn more information about this case everyday. but three big questions to me persist. first of all, what will happen with the coconspirators? now in this indictment, jack smith identifies not by name but by abbreviations cc coconspirators one through six in the indictment. rudy giuliani, john eastman, sidney poul, kenneth clark and kenneth. the use of this term coconspirators is really significant by prosecutors because you only use that term if you believe you can prove these people were in on the crime and part of it. the big question is will they be charged? we heard that bernie kerik went into the grand jury and questioned about coconspirator one, rudy giuliani. he doesn't think rudy giuliani is going to be charged. i'm going to respectfully disagree with him on that. we will see. one of the big questions, if jack smith does choose to indictment any or all of these coconspirators, does he include
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trying to imprison former president donald trump. if you can't speak out against that, you are really not going to go far in the republican primary. >> harris: you know what i'm looking at this and mark, the fs hit the poll right here for the first debate on fox and he said he doesn't have the donor support. he is rocking about a thousand. so what does that mean that voters have on their minds? they don't want to part with their cash? >> welcome it means that he doesn't really have the kind of grassroots level support that he would really -- look if you get an opportunity to be vice president for four years and you don't have a real base of republican party, his kenneth to see at this point is on obvious life support. and it doesn't realistically have the kind of base he should have been able to build up but didn't so look, i think when i look at the numbers here, this
five of them. the names you're very likely to recognize who were working with donald trump after the election. to carry forward this disinformation campaign that he's now criminally charged with conspiring to do and those people are rudy giuliani, jo eastman, sidney powell, kenneth and jeffrey clark, a lawyer and also a justice department official, those individuals not only were working to carry forward the disinformation but take on aspects that donald trump was alleging to use different aspects, they were all involved in different aspects of what donald trump was trying to do after the election. the sixth co-conspirator is not named at this time. we don't know the person's name. all of these people are not charged, however that doesn't mean that this investigation has
thank you. democrats pressing the panic button and west party run. and progress of speaking out against the far left figures kenneth to see. plus, critics going after vice president kamala harris. >> there are reports that say you have the lowest approval rate of any vice president. >> there are also polls make that say i have a great approval rating. >> harris: where is that one? i want to know because poll after poll after poll say the same thing. the vice president's approval rating is way under water get your goggles.
around the corner, paula reed protected so much for this get some perspective now joins the former federal prosecutor, jessica roth. she currently teaches at the court also school of law new york. professor, you just heard paula read going through reporting for the trump team, even though judge kenneth said no. we will delay little bit, but not what you would like. they think that they can push past the election. you think that's possible? >> it is possible. and it's probably more likely than not that it would be pushed back further. there's lots of emotions as they are planning to file. they've early indicated in court and in public statement that the public nation of those motions. some of them include challenging the authority of the special counsel. to bring this prosecution. arguing that the presidential records act is a defense here. they will relegate issues of attorney-client privilege. most of those are losers. but the judges gonna have to decide them and there are more substance motions with respect
course, but the conspiracy against united states could be a wide ranging conspiracy. this is the way special counsel mueller charged the russian interference in 2016. it is basically interfering with actions of the united states government alike elections. this could be an attempt to conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election, and then they would just put in this evidence, all these different pieces, the different strands of the conspiracy. the deprivation of rights as likely depriving voters of their rights to have their votes counted. that looks to conspiracies as a whole, and the fake electors scheme, those people in those states where they were trying to overturn the vote. the witness tampering is the section that they used in a lot of the january 6th cases that is interfering with an act of congress. that is januy 6th storming the capitol charge. >> here are some of the other trump allies that the congressional house committee on january 6th felt should be referred, okay, focrinal charges to the doj. some of those we know, some of those we know less well. kenneth cheese bro who was an