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Senators or congressmen on the ticket. we have to be the outside party. we're not going to be the inside institutional party. the republican party needs to be the reform party, need to be from outside, they need governors that have not only executive experience, but also the idea that they've dealt with the federal government and all its pluses and minuses. that's the kind of person that i think will do well in this new age. >> if the republicans follow your advice, can they win next time? >> meaning 14 or 16? >> 16. >> yes, they can, but they're going to have to have a very different strategy...

What do president reagan and president obama have in common? our next guest studied the two and their campaigns and found out what led them to victory. is that the strategy the gop needs in the next presidential election? lance torrence is a republican pollster and a political strategist and the author of this new book "how republicans can win a changing america." good morning to you. >> glad to be here. >> what did the two, fdr and reagan have in common? >> well, both presidential candidates could appeal to a lot greater group than simply the republican base, we know that. what's interesting ...

0 obamacare. yesterday four u.s. congressmen went to richardson, texas, where they held a field hearing. essentially what they did is they examined all the problems with the navigators. >> the navigators are there to help you out, help out the average american through this brand-new program. they are supposed to be well trained and they're supposed to be able to answer every single one of your questions. >> the problem is they were charged with, according to the oversight committee looking into it, mailing applications in for people when they weren't supposed to. perhaps fudging tax info. >> t...