tucker carlson is up next. mark: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. i am mark steyn and for tucker this evening. the trump administration just unveiled its plan for a full-blown space force to be created by 2020. we ll have more of not just ahead. plus, more on the alleged islamic extremist compound in the new mexico desert. but first, president trump has highlighted his administration s efforts against the ms-13 gang. so of course, the left now supports ms-13. fox.com has published a video portraying the gang as a bunch of cute teenagers who ride bikes, listen to music, and work after school jobs. when you think of the street game ms-13, what do you see? may be something like this. or this. but what if i told you the typical ms-13 gang member in the u.s. actually looks like one of these young men on facebook? the ms-13 members that i ve been following our working after-school jobs, they are living with their parents, they get around long island on bicycles. there is no indication that we are seeing a bigger surge of ms-13 then we ve seen in the past. mark: so basically, ms-13, they are like high school valedictorians with machetes. timothy is the district attornen long island in the county s former police commissioner and he joins us. tim, these guys are all over your neck of the woods. are they just have a lack of my you find these guys dismembered and in pieces, these are some of the most vicious organized crime in the country, as you know. that s exactly right. when they commit a murder, they do it is our new message. they are incredibly brutal. one example, i already noted, the four boys, plenty of other examples. the two girls were murdered and brentwood, when we first came upon the homicide scene, the injuries were so severe, we actually thought it was a hit-and-run because of the head trauma was so significant. we need to take this gang extremely seriously and that is exactly what law enforcement is doing across the country and i applaud everyone s efforts. we are working together to target violent ms-13 gang members and we are making a difference. mark: do you think it helps when someone like boxed out, which has a lot of influence on the left, basically said, there are some people who kill people but there are a lot of nice, cute kids, going along with it as a mic with any after-school activity? no, it minimizes the threat that this street gang poses and it minimizes the situation that these communities find themselves in. ms-13 targets young, hispanic boys in neighborhoods that are underserved. it s incredibly important that we target these gang members with aggressive law enforcement tactics and that we also invest in gang prevention and intervention strategies so we prevent them from recruiting more members. mark: good luck with that. they have done some terrible things out in your part of long island, tim. thanks very much for joining us tonight. thank you. mark: america remains in the grips of an immigration crisis and other aspects, too. in one of the two major parties, increasingly promoting policies indistinguishable from global open borders. any effort to enforce the country s border invites accusations of racism, even though mexico is actually importing more people who come from honduras than the united states does. earlier this week, we saw the border patrol capture a man attempting to smuggle three brazilians into the country using a fake ems vehicle. a great day is an anchor at univision and he joins us now. henrique, this is interesting to me that mexico is allowed to deport hondurans without being accused of racism. while the u.s. isn t. why does one country get to enforce its borders, but another doesn t? you just got a look at news reports in mexico and around central america to know that mexico s immigration policy is highly criticized, the way they violate human rights for the central americans is also highly criticized. it has been pointed out by, i would say, hundreds of news reports and human rights reports, too. i don t think they are being able to get away with anything. i would just say that, despite what many people say on this network and at the white house, in terms of mexico not doing anything to help the u.s. with undocumented immigration, you just stated the fact that mexico is importing hondurans and other central americans at a very fast-paced, over 200,000 central american migrants have been deported. that s a lot. mark: mexico is not aborting 200,000 hondurans to kiss up to president trump. it is doing it in its own national interest. so this is the thing, mark. they are doing it in the program and agreement between the u.s. and mexico to have mexico guarded south borders with u.s. dollars. some of that comes from the u.s., so it is doing it in part, tell mike to honor agreements with the u.s. in the u.s. gover. mark: that is not why we all know the truth, or most people should know the truth about mexico, which is that it is ruled by a corrupt elite who are essentially european mexicans, mexicans of white european descent, who treat everybody else, whether they are mexican or not, appallingly. and isn t the reality of a legal mexican immigration that you have a essentially a corrupt ele in mexico driving the people it despises into america in much the same way as it would be if we said 20 years ago, let s flat white south africans drive all the blacks out of the country so they can have it to themselves k south africans can find somewhere else to live? is about the reality of mexican illegal immigration? welcome i know. we started this conversation by saying that mexico is importing more hondurans to their country than the u.s., and now we are saying that mexico is actually letting them through and sending them to the u.s. mexico is not sending anyone to the u.s., actually, more mexicans are coming back to their country than those emigrating into the u.s., with or without documents. mexico is part of a route that is used by central american immigrants and more and more, it is trying to enforce this immigration policy, as we cope in a humane way, which is not always the case, to try to have, and the cases of refugees, not only their right conditions, but also to let them legally request asylum and then go through and vaguely a quest asylum in the u.s. mark: but why is that in america s interest? that is a federal question, enrique. what is what it meant the american interest? mark: what does unskilled mass immigration from mexico and latin america in america s interest? as i was saying, immigration from mexico is not zero now. if that a sloth level it s been in decades. there is no math immigration from the mexico into the u.s. there is a problem central americans coming to the u.s. border. but we could have a larger debate on the benefits of immigration. i would ask you, what is so wrong about immigration? how is immigration hurting the u.s. or how is this different to other immigration in the u.s. history? mark: it s predicted that 30% of the world s jobs are going to be outmoded by automation and robots, no developed jobs needed mass immigration. as you say, we ll have that comport occasion one day. thank you, enrique. thanks a lot. house minority leader nancy pelosi says that voters should fact democrats in november because it will help illegal immigrants, so vote for your democrat candidate and they will let lots of people in the country to take your jobs. we are not going to be able to get it done under the republican leadership in congress. we believe that we all have leverage when we went back in november. mark: leverage and november. that is intended to appeal to hispanic voters but it may not be working. polls have shown president trump s approval with hispanics to be above 30%. that is better than i vote to share he got in 2016. elvira salazar is a republican who is running for congress in florida, and she joins us today. elvira, we often think that in your state, for example, cuban-americans tend to vote republican, but we see signs that actually there is a broader appeal among the hispanic a population now. it is indeed. but i want to answer to it nancy pelosi was saying, and once again, the democrats are trying to play political football with hispanics. in 2008, in 2009, president obama said to my colleague from univision, jorge ramos, that we were going to have an immigration reform law the first year of his presidency. in reality, he used his political capital to pass obamacare. so right there, the democrats, and nancy pelosi, had the wonderful and magnificent opportunity to stop this immigration reform problem that we have, or to pass an immigration reform law, and in reality, while the democrats gave us were crumbs called the daca executive order. and i want i think that we should really point out, and these are facts, this is not analysis, that in 1996, president clinton signed something called the immigration reform law, which gave the legal framework for president trump to be separating families. so let me just start with those two facts, that is why president obama and nancy pelosi are traitors to hispanics. now why are hispanics now giving approval ratings? because hispanics share many of the core values that are dear to the republicans. we are god-fearing, law-abiding, we like small government, we are self-reliant, we do not want government in our lives, we fear god and we want we love this country. and mark: let me just ask you a question on that though, elvira. because the people can have different views on that. but what i find interesting about the democrats view of hispanics, and the media s the media assume that lawful hispanics in the united states only care about illegal immigration. that, in fact, they are just ethnic solidarity voters. if you have been in this country for generations and you are hispanics can buy your most important issue is leading in lots of other hispanics. is that true, is that the only issue you guys care about? at all. it is very important for us to find a solution to those people that have lived here for more than 15, 20 years like a tps recipient. we don t want those people to be thrown out of here like cattle, because they have put roots in this country. that is why an immigration reform law is so important. it s important for us. but also, the economy. look at what is happening with the economy right now. that is benefiting more hispanic businesses. mark: that is certainly true. we have to leave it there, elvira. thanks very much. good luck in your race. friction between the carr fire man president trump s legal team is heating up. professor alan dershowitz will address the president s position next on tucker carlson tonight. -morning. -morning. -what do we got? -keep an eye on that branch. might get windy. have a good shift. fire pit. last use 0600. i d stay close. morning. get ready to switch. protected by flo. should say, protected by alan and jamie. -right? -should it? when you bundle home and auto. run, alan! .you get more than just savings. you get round-the-clock protection. of the mueller team would backfire on them. wears a sense of justice on the part of mueller, on the part of the justice department? people who hate drum were put into primary positions of power. that is completely tainted this investigation. the real story here is not that this case isn t going to fizzle, it s going to blow up on them. mark: alan dershowitz is a retired harvard law school professor and the author of the case against impeaching trump and he joins us. professor, is this interview with the president going to happen and should it happen? it won t happen. i think it s going to happen is giuliani will make mueller an offer he can t accept, to paraphrase the godfather, and that way trump will be able to say, look, i wanted to testify but it was mueller who turned down a reasonable request by our attorney. look, no lawyer would ever allow a client to testify under these circumstances. all they have to do is ask him one question, did you know about the meeting in the trump tower with your son, if you answer that question truthfully, that he didn t know, if that in fact is the truth, he could still be charged with perjury, lying to a government official because we have michael cohen who says he did know. you you never allow your client to see something that can be contradicted by another witness because the prosecution can choose to believe that other witness. mark: if you had president trump as a client, though, he s a very good, gregarious guy who was quite happy to sit down and talk and o jack to anybody and thinks that as long as he is just, like, straight forward and says what he thinks, everything will be fine. often, from a lawyer s point of view, that is the worst kind of client to have, isn t it? yes. and i would certainly i m not his lawyer, obviously but i would advise him to speak to the public on television, say what he wants to say, write his tweets, although i don t think he helps himself by some of his tweets. but under no circumstances put yourself in a position where you can be charged with perjury or lying to a federal official. and if he doesn t believe me, he should make two phone calls, one to martha stewart, who went to jail because of what she said after prosecutors, and the other to bill clinton, who was impeached because of what he said in an interview under oath. and so i think every responsible lawyer would say to him, you should not either testify or be interviewed. look, i once gave him advice on television, i said, i have four pieces of advice, don t fire, don t pardon, don t tweet, and don t testify. mark: i want to ask you about rudy s other point, the hyperpartisan nature of what has been happening. with reference to this bruce ohr guy in the justice department, and his 60 60 contacts at least with christopher steele, the mi6 agent who was basically the dirty tricks operative for the democratic party. you know as well as i do that impartiality is the essence of justice, a county court judge can t have a bunch of communications with the plaintiff and not with the defendant. that is a big no-no. how come bruce ohr at the department of justice doesn t know you can t talk to one political party continuously through the height of a campaign? of course, there is a difference between a judge in a prosecutor. prosecutors are allowed to talk to people, and so i don t believe that mueller and his team care about whether the democrats win or the republicans win. they are not partisan in that sense. i think they are zealous, some would say overzealous prosecutors, because he is special counsel, he has a target on the back of the president and others. if this case were handled by ordinary u.s. attorneys, and they came back after a year or two years without indicting anybody, it wouldn t be a story, no one would know. but when a special counsel is given a target and he fails to indict, he has been a failure, and that is why i am so strongly opposed to a special counsel, except of the most extraordinary circumstances, which weren t met in this case. mark: you re absolutely right about that, professor, in terms of the special counsel s office. i hope we get rid of them. thanks a lot. as a young self identified socialist, alexandria ocasio-cortez supposedly represents the future of the democratic party. it s a strange future to behold. we need to occupy every airport, we need to occupy every border, we need to occupy every i.c.e. office. we look at figure sensei, unemployment is low, everything is fine, right? well, unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs. why aren t we incorporating the cost of the funeral expenses and those who die because they can t afford access to health care? this, like, upper-middle-class is probably more moderate but that upper-middle-class doesn t exist anymore. they are haiti was in the 90s when, like, kids had furbies and parents had soccer moms with two book vans. that is not america anymore. mark: soccer moms with two bands and funeral expenses crippling the economy. is this the sort of thing the democrats can run on, win on, and, god help us, govern on? chris is the president of new heights communications and she joins us. this is the future of the party? look, i like ocasio-cortez. i think she speaks clearly, i think she speaks with moral conviction, and i think a lot of people were inspired by her and that is why she won her primary. that said, she won a primary a month ago in a congressional contest that represents the bronx and queens. this is not necessarily america. that said, i will say that people like her because she is this young latina woman who seemingly came out of nowhere, nobody gave her a chance, she had no endorsements, nobody in the party really got behind her, the new york times never even wrote a piece about her until after she won them and then it was, where did this lady come from. the reasons she did so well, and was able to topple somebody like joe crowley, is because of the way that she talked about issues that people cared about in her district. mark: isn t it more basic than that? you said because she is a long latina. and the democrats now, it s all about identity politics. she is a young latina, he s an old white male. she is the dash he s the past, e future, and the fact that she talks about the 1990s like i talk about the 1890s, and that she seriously thinks that if 50% of the workforce are doing two jobs, you have full employment, that is irrelevant. it is all identity. young latina trump s the dead white male. no, i don t think so. but i do think for women in particular, also people of color are the ones who are furious right now, they are furious at donald trump, they are furious at the dash i ll be honest the old white men who are runnig the republican party right now and frankly, who have a pretty big grip on the democratic party, as well. so that is why you have seen so many women across the country who have said, you know what, it is my turn, i m going to run for office now, too played and they are winning in record numbers. so particularly so particularly in the democratic side, mark, if you see a race in which there is not an incumbent, there is a man, a woman running, women on the democratic side are winning 70% of the time. that is amazing. with that said, america wants to see more women in office, and i mark: good luck telling that to bernie and chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, because you ve got your old white issues in that party, too. we shared do. it s a big tent rates. when nancy pelosi is happy to take a tire iron to anyone who argues with that. thank you, christy. what on earth was going on in the new mexico compound where muslim extremists were allegedly performing exorcisms and training school shooters? 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tucker carlson tonight investigates. ryan mauro s director of the intelligence network at the clarion project. a nonprofit that educates the public on radical islam. he has assisted authorities in this investigation and he joins us now. ryan, if you watch certain other networks, you ll find it very hard to pick up on the muslim angle to this. they are being rather coy about it, as is their won t. but the father of the principal guy here, for example, is a big shot a mom who was an unindicted coconspirator in the original world trade center bombing a quarter century ago. so this has deep roots in the most extreme islamic circles here in america. right, so what is really scary about this, when someone from al qaeda or isis get arrested, you know they are almost certainly a fringe player, they are not a famous imam. he is different. as soon as i started studying radical islam, he was the first one on my radar, because he is one of the leaders of the basel american community, i m sorry to say. he s very radical, the type of things he has been connected to come in terms of a coalition with other groups are the types of things that this group, this compound in new mexico, were preparing to do, were learning how to do, that type of ideology. we haven t connected the imam to that specific operation in new mexico but you don t have to. what you re talking about is the extremist infrastructure that is the hard work, the easy work is the violent part. mark: in that sense, it seems more organized than some guy from chechnya or wherever writing his car up onto the sidewalk and mowing down half a dozen people, and other words, that sort of freelance jihadism we have become used to. did this seem something slightly more institutional? that s right. there s really two ways that you create this type of problem if you are a radical. first, you say, how do i create the person that holds the weapon? is harder. you do that by pushing the ideology, imam for example in 2001 spoke at an event that was literally called g hard camp for young muslims. that is public plates. when they are not shy about this, are they? they ve gotten better since 9/11. mark: let me ask you something because normally with school shootings, you ll see things on twitter, the las vegas thing for example, where there will be a little i m sure this will put be terrorist, his name will be awkward, and it turns out to be the usual alienated loner. but things don t stay separate. so if school shootings are effective, at some point, jihadists will have caught onto that and want to get a piece to the action. look at how we all reacted to it. right? even if you can get the small number of casualties, doesn t matter because it s a school shooting, so they achieve the objective, and one of the ways that these groups operate above that ideological infrastructure, in terms of operations, they set up security companies and some of the information i have provided, i broke the story today, what i provided to the authorities, does link people from the compound to a security company. that is a good reference, that is how you good law enforcement type training, that is how you do this type of thing. mark: that is fascinating, ryan. when you look at the compound with a piled up rubber tires, nothing to it, a lot of stuff sitting out in the desert, but it s got important connection when it comes to getting the stuff they need. thanks very much, ryan. tucker is going to come back after the break because americans are an increasingly lonely people. how did that happen and can it be fixed? 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[singing] mark: actually the president was in fact not in the white house but in new jersey. but he could still hear rosie from there. a wild story out of boise, idaho, folks there were shocked to look at other windows and find more than 100 of what farm animal running loose? revisited? and we go to susan again. ducks. mark: let s roll that tape. goats on the loose. residence in boise, idaho, waking up to a shocking scene. 118 goats swarming their suburban yards, completely unsupervised. what happens if you get it wrong? mark: we are back to 0-0. over 100 goats there. i believe they were fleeing rosie s natalie. [laughter] let s go to question three. this is multiple-choice. an amish man in michigan is giving ridesharing apps a run for their money by launching his own business using just his horse and buggy. people in his town can secure a ride for just five bucks. what is this amish entrepreneur calling the service? is it a: rent a buggy? b he bid and driver or c: amish uber? and we go to geraldo. amish uber, c. mark: let s rule that tape. meet the amish guy in southern michigan, who is dubbed himself the amish uber. very good. he drives folks around for five bucks a pop in his horse and buggy, doesn t have a cell phone, obviously, so you have to flag him down. and he s a to is not officially associated with uber but he gets people where they are going for in a blink in note. mark: yeah, we could use that in new york. i hate it when you come out of a quilting bee and you are late for the barn raising and you can find a yellow cab anyway. so we really need that in new york. question that means that, by the way, susan, canada s reputation is now riding on this. geraldo takes the lead, 1-0. question four, a man was arrested this past week after a video went viral of him harassing a very large animal. in yellowstone national park. the man nearly got himself killed when the beast charged him. what type of animal was he harassing? susan, susan buzzed too early. she s being deported. i.c.e. are outside of the studio right now. geraldo, your turn to answer? a bison. mark: let s see that tape? taunting a bison. no, no, no. oh, no. oh, no. oh, god. oh, god. police say that raymond is beating his chest at the animal in yellowstone national park. he s had several run-ins apparently with the law at national parks or over just the last few weeks. mark: it got worse from there, afterwards, he played that bison rosie s selections from bye bye birdie . it s horrible. you don t want to see that. final question, another multiple-choice question, a new disney movie has been banned in china because president xi is angry that people compare him to a character in the film. who is the animated character? is it a: dumbo? b: pinocchio? or c: c: winnie the pooh? susan? see , winnie the pooh. mark: let s see. chinese movie fans will not be able to see the winnie the pooh movie, christopher robin. chinese censors have banned the movie because people in the country were using pooh memes to mock president xi jingping. mark: president trump would love it if the worst thing rosie o donnell s would say about him was that he looked like winnie the pooh. unfortunately, despite a plucky showing by our canadian gal here, geraldo has come through for the united states of america, total humiliation. final score, america, two, canada one. oh, canada. 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[laughter] (vo) go national. go like a pro. see what i did there? immediately begin the process necessary to establish a space force as the sixth branch of the armed forces. that is a big statement. mark: that was the president two months ago, now today, vice president pence revealed that the administration s more detailed plans for creating a fully independent of space force in just two years. professor michio kok who is a physicist. the author of a new york times best seller, the future of humanity. he joins us. professor, if you watch tv, people seem to be making jokes about this thing. but most western nations have essentially off shored huge parts of their infrastructure to the happens in the last couple of decades, and yet, they are essentially unguarded and totally vulnerable up there. i think we have to take it seriously because donald trump sees this as part of his legacy, long after he s gone, we are going to have a u.s. space force. for the first time since 1947, a new branch of the military, and i think he wants to put his stamp of approval on this, so we have to take it seriously. mark: yeah, but the joke about it is, like, it s a plan nine from outer space then, these are going to be trumped space cadets and everything. but there is we are vulnerable too much weaker countries who, if they happen to detonate everything on the righr the middle of the country, would knock us back to the mid-19th century. that is what is at stake here. that s right. we don t realize that outer space, we are a sitting duck for a preemptive strike. you realize that we are the most vulnerable because we have over half of all the commercial operating satellites in orbit and even a small nation like north korea, a hydrogen bomb over kansas would be enough to wipe out nearly half of our telecommunications network and paralyze power stations across north america. and that s just one hydrogen bomb over kansas. mark: yeah, and it s a situation that s never really existed. i mean, we don t because it s happened so sort of imperceptibly, we don t realize that our banking systems, and our electrical grid, are all kind of migrated to outer space. in fact, this conversation is happening in outer space, this tv show is carried by satellite. the internet s telecommunications, radio, gps, the economy, national security, all of it is done in outer space. like i said, we are sitting ducks. that is why we should follow what ronald reagan did. ronald reagan said, we need peace through strength but b, let s cut a deal with gorbachev, let s try to manage the unmanageable by cutting a deal. now the outer space treaty of 1967 could address these vulnerabilities, but it is way out of date. there it says nothing about lee jordan cannon, nothing. mark: no, the world has changed so much since then. thank you, thank you very much for that, professor. that is absolutely, extraordinary. it is a serious business and as
the studio with. this man has been convicted of being an accessory in the nine eleven attacks is he not considered dangerous and when the killing still is he s also described as somebody who didn t move an inch from his extremist islamist convictions even during more than a decade behind prison walls here in germany here in germany he s known pretty much as the face of terrorism when this cell was detected here in germany that of course was a big shock also to the germans here who really didn t believe that this was possible and this is a bit more about what rules. played in in the nine eleven attacks where you studied engineering in hamburg he also actually stay with a german family you ve been completely shocked to learn that he became a terrorists was seen as somebody who directly helped those pilots that crashed into the world trade center and that s also what in the end led to his conviction for those murders of those people who were on board the plane there was no legal link at least established between victims of the nine eleven attacks and why have german prosecutors decided to release him ahead office full sentence for serving his full sentence of fifteen years is coming to a close. because behave behave pretty well in prison that would have been. november this is being pushed forward under the condition that she would then be deported directly to morocco. so we don t seem to want to see is him actually being set free in germany and leaving the german justice system to then potentially enter the german social security system that would also of course spark political debate here and many so a keen interest to get rid of him the big question now is whether iraq will actually take him back and what are the chances that moral code will take him back well it would be rather surprising for demo parties to come forward if they didn t feel they have established enough of a report where they will start to actually make this happen. the arabic service here of deutsche about it has been able to really get an official statement to that effect so this is not a done deal as far as we ve heard from moroccan officials and this could still get interesting and certainly would be a signal to other people in germany who are potentially criminals but also the question of what to do with people who potentially endangered security in germany when they can be sent back that always depends on the state would have to take them back right. political editor thank you for a shift with eighty seven refugees on board has docked in spain off to being turned away by italy and malta a spanish aid group big to the migrants of the coast of libya for those on board the most has a despotic degeneracy is over but is a correspondent norman siegel reports from the town of leper of refugees life in spain is often precarious. nothing is left of i.p.c. baby s heart ache or fine journey nine days living in this much of. in twenty fourteen sipek came to spain from ivory coast to find work he ended up in this slum near the town of libya on the loose along with up to one thousand dollars fires occur frequently due to the flammable building materials gas canisters and forty degree celsius heat. you know. many. long or be looking for a. dream of a better life in europe has become a nightmare he has no residence permit and now he has no home. he can only work illegally on one of the many fruit and vegetable plantations. you know you don t have no money. you know. his friend. is in the same position except he s a newcomer in spain having recently arrived from senegal. he lives in this hot. he says the routes taken by refugees to europe are always changing currently entering europe via the western mediterranean seems to be the safest. route from libya to italy has lots of problems it s almost like a war you can get killed so now many of us are coming to spain through morocco. but spain s new government is taking a lenient stance with migrants but the conservative opposition is in disagreement and the spaniards are worried. because how many immigrants could cause us problems that s just how it is. spain is a country with high unemployment. there s just not enough jobs for so many people. but one of the spaniards see things differently until you know how bad volunteers for an aid organization and supports migrants like i do any way he can. he helps up to plant vegetables and takes care of red tape antonio sees the refugees as an economic factor the plantations in the region couldn t get by without them. thanks to these people many others are getting rich. the immigrants live off what little money they can earn so they re cheap labor. but. they re not going to work the problem and they have to put up with everything and never complain. i do see the bay wants people to know what s really happening in europe. but he s not ready to give up on his dream of a better life. a move. now i m living it sometimes gets. offered to help myself. you know. what my future art will be to go. eventually once he saved enough money to be intends to return to ivory coast my son needs me he says all of africa needs us but that s in the future right now he s got to figure out where he can sleep tonight christophe joins me now and if you want to travel or drive as possibly not the want to take it is a friday of travel misery and ryanair pilots have begun a coordinated twenty four as they demand higher salaries and better working conditions that s led to the cancellation of four hundred out of twenty four hundred scheduled flights affecting more than seventy thousand passengers tensions between turkey and the united states are set to increase after the u.s. president donald trump used his favorite medium tweeting that tariffs on turkish elite aluminum and steel imports will be doubled to twenty and fifty percent respectively you know instant send the lira plummeting against the dollar and the euro with turkey s currency hitting an all time low ties between ankara and washington have been strained of the jailing of an american pastor a turkish president out of one having for a long time relied on impressive growth figures said today his country would not lose this economic war turkey s economic boom was fueled by government spending but the upswing has come to an end for president at a one the fault lies with western countries which he says are waging an economic war against. relations with the us or especially. that s why he s determined to forge better economic ties with countries such as china or russia. what s riding to the problem is that even many turks are fleeing the lira for the relative safety of dollars or euros. despite one s desperate plea for them to exchange other currencies into lira to try and stabilize the national currency markets are losing patience and that s taking its toll the lira has been sliding since the beginning of the year losing thirty nine percent of its value since january that stoking inflation which recently hit sixteen percent and the crisis also reveals turkey s underlying shortcomings. it s the lack of production nothing else these things wouldn t work without imports we need to carefully discuss an agriculture policy that will pave the way for exporting goods we can t do anything with industry or industries not well developed. this type of fluctuation caused this crisis in countries without a solid economy i lived in europe i didn t see anything like this i lived in germany for twelve years. as turkey s people try to come to grips with the crisis the government has no easy options when it comes to regaining the confidence the financial markets. or for the latest on this crisis let s bring in our markets man conrad who is in and frankfurt and correspondent daryn jones in istanbul daryn let me start with you have there been any reactions to donald trump s tweeting on doubling tariffs for turkish steel and aluminum. well know nothing yet but it certainly phil phil fits in with the narrative we ve been hearing from the turkish president today he s been talking about what he describes as a western conspiracies to undermine turkey for the exchange rate he talks is all of these foreign enemies which he promised to defeat and this announcement by the u.s. donald trump of new sanctions tariffs against turkey will fit in to walk the earth one claimed his is a conspiracy by western powers to oust him from power he said that two years ago a military coup failed to remove him now he says that the same powers are trying to remove him through the exchange right now conrad in frankfurt over do you target the turkish currency the lira hits an all time low today against the dollar and the euro markets across the board are down now the lira we have to understand is not one of the leading turn seas of the world why are investors so worried. investors are worried that the european banks will be drawn into this you know banks from spain france and italy have given out loans to turkish businesses for up to one hundred thirty five billion euros the exposure of german banks in turkey is twenty one billion and of course with the ongoing depreciation of the concerns are rising that many of those loans will not be paid back and of course with ed once government one never knows there s a lot of talk about potential capital controls here and also it s very unlikely that the government would be willing to cooperate with the international monetary fund eventually that s why the european central bank which is the major supervisor of the banking system in the eurozone is on high alert and investors all over europe are pulling out their investors investments out of turkey but also out of investments in european banks not dorrian back to you turkey s finance minister who is also president i want to add one son in law had a press conference earlier today explaining what he calls turkey s new economic model what does that entail. well that s right and in fact it was a long power point presentation where he did seem to reach out to investors he talked about the importance of reining in relation he also talked about the importance of fiscal discipline and went home to develop the idea of developing human capital going forward and all of these things of what the investors have been wanting but the problem for the for the finance minister is there was very little detail those very little meters one analyst said it s all of talk and no content and the problem is that the situation better say is so critical they need action they need details of how these goals will be achieved and on top of that the message from the finance minister was undermined by foreign or who promised to continue rampant big spending more make a point checks and this totally undermined the message that the finance minister was giving the problem and the result is a plummeting currency or enjoins in istanbul and conrad burns and in frankfurt thanks to both of you. severe weather has been hitting parts of france and read a story thank you very much christophe indeed in southern france about sixteen hundred people have been evacuated to escape flash floods caused by heavy rain the hardest hit region is where helicopters had seven hundred fifty people to safety yes more. flash floods reduced campsites to mud. it s something it became so it was here so the river swept right through it. rescue workers were supported by helicopters and evacuating campus in southern france. search teams including divers combed waters for german man who still reported missing it s feared he may have been swept away in his caravan the man was accompanying children at a campsite and they got the region which was hardest hit by the flooding. more than one hundred children were evacuated from the site. it started raining when suddenly a flash flood came down from the hills everything s flooded a catastrophe. several people were hospitalized with hypothermia and minor injuries. as their suitcases we just have what we re wearing but the main thing is we re ok. the storms and heavy rains that caused the torrents erupted after weeks of blazing temperatures. german cycling great has been arrested in frankfurt on suspicion of sorting a sex it comes off the former tour de france winner appeared in court on the spanish island of majorca he was charged with breaking and entering the home office famous neighbor the german actor and director. orishas cycling achievements from modern two thousand and twelve but it was found guilty of doping. now for more on this story i m joined by chris harrington from. chris thank you so have you hear that you know it was the golden boy of joe cycling and things have just been going wrong for him lately. tell us about his latest episode well he s definitely on a downward spiral and this is his second arrest within a month and he was in germany in frankfurt specifically for one reason to attend rehab because this arrest you had mentioned with two is fica this assault on his neighbor he admitted to the press he had an issue with alcohol and was going to germany to seek help therapy and there was a clinic actually that has already had a reservation for him there was waiting for him a check in will he made a stop at this luxury hotel in frankfurt and according to all the reports it looks like there is a potentially will be some charges in the future as of right now he was only arrested and he had to stay overnight in a holding cell because he was really intoxicated and drunk but one thing is for certain that there was a victim involved an escort that he allegedly choked until she blacked out so that s what we know now and it s being investigated as we speak so it just doesn t look good for a young old rich i mean can you do this from the tour de france back in one thousand nine hundred seventy he was such an he would stop then and beat the competition and as an underdog when did this. thing we had just a touch base on that you re right he was only twenty three years old when he won the tour de france ok in ninety seven he was a fourth youngest person to do so and he was responsible for the cycling boom here in germany you know but this also the year after he won one thousand nine hundred eight this tour was coined the tour of dope it so it was during this doping scandal area he had it picked up in two thousand and two where he tested positive for ecstasy a recreational drug you know and then in two thousand and six he was banned altogether for doping which later we found out was doping in two thousand and seven he retired from the sport but you know all that all it s starting potentially his rival lance armstrong was a big rival of him and we all know what happened with lance armstrong so it looked like the doping in conjunction with recreational drugs it looks like he has an issue with substance abuse i think that s clear because he made it clear to the press. also it looks like he s a long way away from recovery at this point now you said he was in frankfurt to get some help for his problems but obviously things haven t gone to plan so what s next for him chris you know i think he s going to have to do some one would say soul searching you know look for those close to him because when you factor in the he s twenty three years old he has the entire country admiring him he is as inflated ego and it just looks like he had problems moving from the limelight you know some would suggest that maybe he looks for outside influence to give him this feeling but one thing is odd it also find out he s a father and he had see these children since easter so this was a condition for him to be allowed to see his children attending rehab so it looks like he s taking steps back in that area he s going to need some real friends close personal friends who care about him is that get him back on track after i m pulling for him yeah i hope says very similar the best of course chris huntington from us post as thank you so much for me on that story you re watching the deputy is coming up ahead. a ukrainian film director is near death on a hunger strike the russians really a phone call from the french president of. make a difference. that s of all coming up shortly a was indeed of the news from but they. just couldn t get this song out of his head. musicologist began searching for the source of the captivating sound. deep in the central africa. because the culture of. the prize winning documentary from the forest. it s hard slaps. them from people make fun about their own social economic and political problems. in mozambique we say that you have to ask so you don t write it s how people call me dated april. as a journalist i often talk of all the stocks in the bag by the let s look at you know. i like to stack may day by checking all all those jokes finding out what people are talking about what is moving them. my father told me how to ask uncomfortable questions about my country 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agency. by called ski off of russian service was one of a number of journalists taken into custody this week in what critics said was a crackdown on press freedom his apartment was also assessed on the journalists have also been freed but the editor of a popular new sides has reportedly been charged with criminal negligence. not the case of ukrainian filmmaker and kremlin critic sense all he s been. in on a hunger strike for almost three months in a russian prison and they are now concerned he may be yet his death french president in london mccraw discussed his feet with russia s vladimir putin on the phone today putin is said to have promised to respond to proposals by mcchrystal to find a humanitarian solution to the situation earlier russia released photos of cents all suggesting he was fine social media posts by send sounds family and lawyer quotes the filmmaker as saying the end is now since all of this is the charges against him up on the ticket in two thousand and fifteen a russian court sentenced him to twenty years for planting terrorist attacks on the crimean peninsula. for more on accent and his imprisonment in russia joining me now from the ukrainian capital kiev is correspondent david stern and promotes go by the. welcome to both of you your litany start with you what can you tell us about sense of health we re getting conflicting reports with some reports even saying you re not live that long . how america yes our colleagues from the w. s russian service spoke to all the x. insults lawyer dmitri didn t say who met since off since all for the last time three days ago mr dss objects in software uses a mix of drugs just to maintain consciousness even though he says cents off wasn t a good physical condition was critical since off is currently imprisoned in the lobby. a place near the north pole and as the weather conditions of there have been a very hot he d have had has obviously been very bad for us and solves chronic heart disease as well as for his kidney and liver and david what are you hearing in ukraine sense of condition. well obviously we re getting different reports on one hand we do have these photos that have been published recently or just in the last twenty four hours these were posted on the facebook page of the human rights all been so and it shows him standing up obviously that s a good sign but there are great concerns we re hearing from his lawyers from his family as you just said they say the end is near what i can say is there is a great deal of concern about his condition here he is very much a symbol of ukraine s ongoing struggle against what they say is russian aggression here the annexation of crimea and the russian backed separatists in the east of the country and david he s serving as i mentioned a twenty year sentence for alleged terrorist attacks in crimea phil phil says his imprisonment is politically motivated send solve a political threat to the kremlin in any way. well that s obviously a question that can only answered within the crowd the walls of the kremlin the view here is that the kremlin does see him as a threat he has been he is very outspoken he s a ukrainian who kept the citizenship after the annexation but he s also one of the ukrainians and he and others say sixty four other people who are have been imprisoned for political reasons. many of them from crimea and are in fact crimean tars. and you need there s been a lot of high profile support for send some scores including celebrities and western governments say the french president in london mccrone with again but not to me putin will that pressure have any bearing on this case do you think. well look at it as we re just heard from a david finch office demanding the liberation of all ukrainian political prisoners in russia and since often tends to take it to the bitter end if i have to die thing i have and i have to die she says but despite of the international pressure i don t think i don t think moscow would ever make such a huge concession to mr since off and in russia there are plenty of other petitions asking for a pardon less than the one percent of the titians are actually concede that the russian clemency commission works very very practically which means officials usually find formal reasons to refuse almost every plea for pardon on the other hand the issue is now being discussed on a very very high level so other experts assume that the telephone call with of the french president tomorrow later today could help one possible outcome it could be the extradition of lexan saw from russia to france into a french prison which is what improves and solves conditions of detention but that is just speculation at this point we have to wait and see what is the result of the phone call between putin and mccrone will be today later. the euro shatter in moscow and david stern in kiev thank you both very much for your reporting and that interview was recorded early on as you heard you talk about a telephone conversation between mccraw and putin that has taken place and mccraw asked him for for humanitarian solution to the problem and putin said he would respond to those proposals ok moving on now and a bit of contradictory news from israel and the gaza strip this week has seen more escalation in the region with hamas firing dockets into israel and israel attacking hamas positions at the same time secret and long term cease fire negotiations have also been taking place alongside the recent violence war and peace seem to be close at hand at the same time. as people run in a panic iraq at launch from gaza lands. right next to a children s playground in israel these are mobile videos from step out this week israeli city is one of the main targets of rockets from gaza the likes of which israel hasn t experienced for a long time. yet at their most wednesday night it was really crazy there were more than one hundred fifty rockets were in the bunker i was shaking with fear. one hundred. at six o clock in the evening the first rockets are launched from gaza there are. the projectiles are met by israeli s military targeting hamas positions in the gaza strip and intercepting the rockets mid-air. on the israeli side several are injured . in gaza three people die. this violence is happening in the middle of sensitive negotiations for weeks the u.n. and egypt have been trying to broker a deal a must as leadership were meeting this week to discuss the negotiations. how to promise has discussed its proposals such as a national unification a ceasefire and how the people of gaza can live in peace and security with its delegation from kyra. the goal a permanent truce hamas which runs gaza would cease its attacks on israel and return israel would ease the blockade that is strip people in gaza of livelihoods. the proposed agreement would encourage the building of infrastructure creating more jobs and allowing for the freedom of movement until recently unthinkable. and israeli security expert confirms that the government is participating in talks but he s skeptical. yes it s actually being negotiated but only if hamas feels it s in danger then they are ready to stop the fire for a certain amount of time that. on thursday hamas declared the attacks to be over but rockets continue to fly targeting israel. and the israeli air force one several hamas locations it s quite a different picture to the proposed peace being tentatively talked about on the sidelines. for many vets few g. s and migrants the dream of a better future in europe remains just that a dream and when they end up being deported back to their home countries their problems a fall from nova that s their agenda initiative comes and its aims to have pretending refugees get back on their feet financially and professionally. the hunter sure district of dakar is known as the fisherman s quarter my son the fall is one of them he grew up here together with his seven brothers and three sisters four of them now live in europe he s also been there in two thousand and six he travelled to spain in a boat. with a life is hard here everything s a struggle i was hungry and thirsty my family is poor that s why i risked my life to get to europe to help my family out of poverty in senegal it s just not possible one more before. but now some bo was deported now he s come to get some support at a migration center in dakar run by a german development agency known as g.r.i.z. it s part of a german government initiative to help returning migrants find work. but what somebody needs is money to start his own business. model or i m a fisherman but i have to borrow my care from my father in exchange he keeps a lot of my cash leaving me with too little if i had my own fishing gear i d be able to get somewhere. else that would go the g.r.i.z. has been running the migration center since january in cooperation with senegal the youth employment agency thousands have already come here for advice the center offers support for starting a new business including finding sources of financing it also explains which pathways to germany are legal and which are not the g.i.c. has many other programs aimed at providing people with opportunities in their own country ok tional training and jobs in cooperation with senegal communes government agencies and chambers of commerce for money for cover if someone wants to succeed the first thought is i m leaving and that s precisely where this center comes in and what we want to achieve the opportunities which. sure available here locally are made visible because most of the people seeking advice are simply unaware of these opportunities and. senegal has a long tradition of migration some seventy percent of all families have relatives abroad and there s success is a motivator and it s at that is the high rate of unemployment in senegal so many decide to leave can migration centers make a difference the difference would be what kind of services that you make and how closely they are built within the national system so for example what kind of what kind of relationship you have with employment services with the states was it all done moving with. the training possibilities the closer the cooperation the greater the chance of six cents from a somebody prepares his net for the following morning the advisers at the migration center will recommend that he starts a co-operative together with his friends they will then refer them to sources of financial support. so. when i have the photo build a house for my wife and children and then i ll be able to help my siblings because i know exactly how it feels to be dependent on others. you know somebody hopes that he ll then finally stand on his own two feet and in his own country. joins me now and many investors today were eyeing growth figures coming out of japan crystal that s right on radar the world s third largest economy posted solid growth in the second quarter it expanded by half a percent that s more than added lists had expected after a contraction at the beginning of the year and i while the economic outlook has improved u.s. japanese trade talks made little headway this week japan is hoping to win concessions on threatened us all of terrorists which could be detrimental to the industry if they came about. it looks like japan s economy has bounced back after a worrying dip in the first quarter of this year consumers are more confident and are spending more in an atmosphere of strong job growth providing a boost to gross domestic product from my pull to june g.d.p. showed a half percent expansion that was significantly better than had been expected the external environment however could be troublesome for japan s economy. i m a little boy our g.d.p. can be widely influenced by various external environments such as trade hostilities between the united states and china there are unstable and unsure factors so i cannot say for sure it will continue to grow. for good. deals so you know. u.s. president donald trump is pushing tokyo to sign a bilateral free trade agreement and threaten to impose higher tariffs on auto imports including those from japan that would hit the export sector of the world s third largest economy. now in the wave of china s billion dollar investments in africa many small traders have come to the continent to set up shop low income households are hungry for cheap goods made in china but what looks like a win win proposition has its challenges yaquis reports. flashing fairy lights toys and electronic gadgets galore do you want to shop has it all for the last five years she and her husband have been running their store in cape ten s china town shopping center her business model is simple but effective me before but maybe shopping for men. is fine if i have been this is a thought i really fear. daisy one is one of an estimated one million chinese traders who ve arrived in africa over the last decade. the influx was triggered by growing chinese investment paired with unemployment back home. showing louis daisy s landlord of the co owner of the mall eve recognized the demand among cape town consumers i did talk with one local people can for this it. doesn t lie. to the oh you know something i got history chart. i ve got the words i could buy one char one close i can come to china town so much prize. money i get really close to success speaks for itself since twenty ten with his partners opened three malls and cape town with a total of one hundred fifty independent stores. but the demand for cheap goods made in china is not limited to the big cities a four hour drive away from cape town is the small community of ladysmith its population numbers just seven thousand but like many villages these days it has its very own china store. forty four year old chang young young manages the store a strategic partnership between south africa and china airlines wholesalers to import a range of goods from china tax free retailers like young can then offer their customers cheaper products his customer base mostly low to medium income households appreciate the savings. prices way better the quality isn t great but it s pretty ok and for us to shop offers the cheapest products cost about. it sounds like a win win situation but the week south african rand crime says expert ross antony posed challenges for many chinese traders. chang young young invested in c.c.t.v. cameras for security for him like many chinese traders the promise of good business in south africa still outweighs the risk. of. american director spike lee is back with a shock comedy about the white supremacist group the ku klux klan the film school black klansman and it takes place in the one nine hundred seventy s. but references to days in artist states are hard to miss here s a scene portraying former king. david. we are privileged. to be among white men. and white women. such as yourselves real warriors for the real america the america that our and sisters fought and died for you know the true white american race the backbone from whence came our great southern heritage. and i want to thank you. oh thank you so much for never putting your country second. america first for america as an expert an excerpt from spike lee s latest film david let us walk us through this is him to talk about the fence america first that sounds familiar david i wonder why i think i think a lot of people associate that now with donald trump this is of course spike lee reminding us that the k.k.k. was using that slogan a long time before trump picked it up and it s also no mistake that this movie is coming out this weekend it s the one year anniversary of the unite the right racist rallies in charlottesville virginia that ended in horrible violence and that trump basically refused to condemn the king on this latest film the color of black klansman is actually based on true story it is based on the memoirs of ron stallworth s he is a black to tech tip who in the one nine hundred seventy s. infiltrated the k.k.k. by pretending to be a white racist on the telephone now in face to face meetings with the klan of course he had to send a white officer in his stead here s another look at black klansman. this is wrong stahl called who am i speaking of is david duke grand wizard of the ku klux klan that they do god last time i checked what i do for well since you asked i hate blacks i hate jews mexicans and irish italians and chinese but my mouth to god s ears i really hate those black brats and anyone else really that doesn t have pure white area and blood running through their veins i m not even talking to their white american blessed white america for the real ron stallworth this film is highly relevant today. you ve been subjugated to me very similar to what was happening with. this activity never goes underground. a lot of people say that the plane was did they play is not relevant the claim is always relevant always has and always will be and whether you call yourself by claiming the nazis is to live you have you seen my share an ideology or beliefs about race and these guys will decide the poor for right now in part because of who we have long felt. for director spike lee that relevance was a very deliberate choice. we now want to be period piece we want people to walk out of the theater understand that history teaches so and we. will see in a very difficult time not only america but the world but he could have the film also makes a strong plea against complacency by contrasting the initial attitudes of the two undercover cops i m risking my life to prevent someone that s from money a couple six hundred far this is the job for a problem that s my problem for you it s a crusade for me it s a job. it s not personal no should it be why haven t you bought into this why should i because you re jewish brother the so-called chosen people you ve been passing for a wasp white anglo-saxon protestant cherry pie hot white boy. it s what some light skinned black folks do they pass for white doesn t that hatred you ve been hearing the klan say does not piss you off course it does and why you act like you ain t got skin in the game brother ricky that s my business to business. some great actors there you ve got tougher grace nailing the part of david duke the smiling modern face of the clan adam driver as the jewish detective and john david washington as the lead he by the way is the son of denzel washington and this is not his first spike lee joint he actually was in malcolm x. as a little boy with his dad in the lead ok so even the film seems to have an element of comedy but the subject is they see it is so what is spike lee s message in the film i think his message is the same one that the real life officer ron stallworth wrote in his memoirs which basically he says i m going to paraphrase if he has a black guy with the help of some decent white folks and some decent jewish folks managed to show white racists for the idiots that they are and triumph over them in that way then what could the country do if everyone can begetter but the talking about trying to divisions within american society in fit my lowest fear is talking about his latest documentary what s that about right like spike lee michael moore is of course a very political filmmaker whose movies are meant as a wake up call his new film is called fahrenheit eleven nine it s his attack on donald trump and how he got elected now along the way michael moore looks at hate groups at this he meets with victims of the school shooting this february and parklands florida and more continues to do what he does best which is painting broad polemical strong as acts of violence in this country like never seen. in the trailer moore says that trump will be the last president of the us i don t think he quite believes that himself but he definitely knows what he has to say to get people s blood boiling and to sell movie tickets this is an extreme look at an extreme situation and it s a movie that the american liberal america should say is going to eat up and the rest of the world i mean joe exactly and let s thank you very much david let s vania website absolutely that s a d w dot com slash culture thank you and it s over this is spike lee i d love to see the post isn t things of black klansman thank you for bringing that story to us and see you again soon thank you. you re watching the news here a recap of the top stories that we re funding feel the united nations calling for an inquiry. and can t even enjoy the. coalition says it was. the time. has crashed to. donald trump announced and doubling of talent some. tensions between the u.s. and turkey have escalated over the invest of an american. message from the undercut she became has just begun. if you can have more news coming up shortly for me and from david a bad. mood sorry i just couldn t get this song out of his head. the musicologist began searching for the source of 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investigation so that we can establish the facts clearly of what happened yesterday and then appropriate actions can be taken. not these even before the fighting broke out in two thousand and fifteen gehman was already on the poorest countries in the arab a people especially children have been suffering intensely tell us something about the situation that now. twenty two million people innocent civilians require some form of humanitarian assistance or protection in order to survive that s recorder s of the entire population there is no other country in the world for three quarters of everyone who lives in that treat needs humanitarian assistance this is why the united nations characterizes what is happening in yemen as the worst most of the earth humanitarian crisis locally it s also why humanitarian everywhere are demanding insisting that all of the parties start political negotiations to end hostilities enough is enough the war has to stop and a spanish aid group picked up the migrants off the coast of libya for those on board the most hazardous part of the germany. but as our correspondent norman reports from the town of libby a refugee is life in spain is often precarious nothing is left of up to sit it is hot it cold fudging the night. living in this. in twenty fourteen city became to spain from ivory coast to find work he ended up in this slum near the town of libya on the loose along with up to one thousand dollars fine as occur frequently due to the flammable building materials gas canisters and forty degree celsius heat. you know. many. were no or good spain s new government is taking a lenient stance with migrants but the conservative opposition is in disagreement and the spaniards are worried. because how many immigrants could cause us problems that s just how it is. spain is a country with high unemployment. there s just not enough jobs for so many people but. the spaniards see things differently until you have bad volunteers for an aid organization and supports migrants like i do any way he can. he helps up to plant vegetables and takes care of red tape until new sees the refugees as an economic factor the plantations in the region couldn t get by without them. thanks to these people many figure out where he can sleep tonight. they ve been having yet to do it some other stories making news around the world bolivia s president evo morales says inaugurated a new government headquarters in the past more or less open the people s greed house project to decrease in the building he said represented a colonial state and he s facing criticism for some of the luxury residences trappings. moscow says considering retaliating against the new sanctions from washington the u.s. state department announced a punitive measures in connection with the poisoning of former double agent said and his daughter junia in britain the u.s. and britain say russia was responsible the kremlin denies any responsibility. u.s. authorities say a fifty one year old man has been arrested on suspicion of setting a massive wildfire known as the holy fire in southern california as orange county forest faces a maximum sentence of life in prison if convicted and will be formally charged later today the fire has displaced some twenty thousand people. aid agencies are warning of the potentially catastrophic effect of a heatwave on north korean crops they see a full blown food security crisis is threatening the isolated country the population already faces food shortages and international sanctions and the report suggests malnutrition among children could now worsen. in southern france about sixteen hundred people have been evacuated to escape flash floods caused by heavy rain the hardest hit region is god where helicopters. seven hundred fifty people to safety. flash floods reduced campsites to mud. it s something it became so it was here so the ruthless work to after weeks of blazing temperatures. now to the case of jade ukrainian filmmaker and kremlin critic sense of he s been on a hunger strike for almost three months in a russian prison french president a man in mccrone will discuss his feet would russia s vladimir putin later today a russian has released photos of sense of suggesting he s fine social media. family and lawyer for the filmmaker saying the end is near a sense of course the charges against him and dozens of other ukrainian prisoners political in twenty fifteen russian court sentenced him to twenty years in a siberian penal colony on charges he planned terrorist attacks on the primary and . for more on on accent and his imprisonment in russia joining me now from the ukrainian capital kiev is correspondent david stern and from moscow. welcome to both if you are let me start with you what can you tell us about sense of health you re getting conflicting reports with some reports even saying you re not live that long. as our colleagues from the w. s russian service spoke to all the insults lawyer dmitri didn t say who met since off the last time three days ago mr dean s s.s. objects and self uses a mix of drugs just to maintain consciousness even though he says cents off wasn t a good mood he s a physical condition was critical since self is currently imprisoned in the love of the place near the north pole and as the weather conditions of there have been a very hot heat to have had has obviously been very bad for us and solves chronic heart disease as about as for his kidney and liver and david what are you hearing in ukraine a month sense of condition. well obviously we re getting different reports on one hand we do have these photos that have been published recently or just in the last twenty four hours these were posted on the facebook page of the human rights been so and it shows him standing up obviously that s a good sign but there are great concerns we re hearing from his lawyers from his family as you just said they say the end is near what i can say is there is a great deal of concern about his condition here he is very much a symbol of ukraine s ongoing struggle against what they say is russian aggression here the end station of crimea and the russian backed separatists in the east of the country and david he s serving as i mentioned a twenty year sentence for alleged terrorist attacks in crimea fence self says his imprisonment is politically motivated since off a political trip to the kremlin anyway. well that s obviously a question that can only answered within the crowd the walls of the kremlin the view here is that the kremlin does see him as a threat he has been he is very outspoken he s a ukrainian who kept the citizenship after the annexation but he s also one of the ukrainians and he and others say it was sixty four other people who are have been imprisoned for political reasons many of them from crimea and are in fact crimean charge cars. and you need this thing and not just high profile support for send film scores including celebrities and rest in government say the french president in london must crawl but raise the issue again but not to me put him really that pressure have any bearing on this case do you think. well look i heard from a debit since office demanding the liberation of all ukrainian political prisoners in russia and some soft intends to take it to the bitter end if i have to die and they i have and i have to die she says but despite of the international pressure to don t think i don t think moscow would ever make such a huge concession to mistress and self and in russia there are plenty of other petitions asking for a pardon less is in the one per cent of petitions are actually concede that the russian clemency commission works very very practically which means officials usually find formal reasons to refuse almost every plea for pog on the other hand the issue is now being discussed on a very very high level so are the expenses you know that the telephone call with the french president jacques rome later today could help one possible outcome could be the extradition of lexan saw from russia to france into a french prison which it would improve conditions of detention but that is just speculation at this point we have to wait and see what is the result of the phone call between putin and mccrone will be today later. the uterus chateau in moscow and david stern in kiev thank you both very much for your reporting. from berlin here a nearby korean has made cycling more fun or more hazardous depending on how you look at it literally rather than a street or gently lane this one is all about curious and tight angles have a look. bilin is on a quest to make the german capital more bike friendly but does new bike lane seems to stem a more. i have never seen a bike lane like this. it s really difficult to stay in the leg but it s also part of. the new lane has left local residents in a bit of a spin. when i came here i couldn t believe how precisely the line had been painted. to tell us this is a joke but it looks totally absurd it s not really usable either for cyclists or pedestrians. apparently the bike lane is the result of a communication problem with the contractor who painted the lane then it s peachtree from the pro cycling group fox and had found out that palin has a lot to learn from other european city i didn t mean it in cities that are just beginning to improve cycling like paris madrid or barcelona they re spending huge amounts of money and redesigning their infrastructure that s yet to happen in berlin. other cities are going to overtake it was. according to a bulletin city council member does exact lines will be repainted this time straight. talking with cyclists going to tour de france the window and are geared until must receive the hero s welcome when he returned to cardiff on thursday a sea of supporters lined the streets to the city s casillas thomas in the rain as yellow jersey did the victory lap for thousands of fans to say major recognize his achievement followed his the first rush minute to win the tour de france and a thirty two year old is still in a state of. mind blowing. to know what to expect the reception was. just to see that the pride of people passing the passion. the people. just might go you know kind of expected from my family my wife. my mates and. the people i ve never met and you know the little things that. brought their bikes and. just. congratulations to him and dad joins me now and guess how it s not a good day to be traveling with and that s right on friday europe s biggest budget carrier ryanair pilots have begun the coordinates its twenty four hour strike across europe germany is likely to be the worst hit with two hundred fifty five cancellations of all its pilots in the aisle and germany belgium sweden and the netherlands have also walked off the job. it s the biggest industrial action ever to hit europe s biggest budget airline a child why airport in belgium and across europe staff are accusing ryanair of bad pay and bad treatment. you know it is only the national. who just doesn t respect john you know that s not the norm i was not. looking for. ryanair is pilots are striking across europe for twenty four hours as they demand higher salaries and better working conditions that s led to the cancellation of four hundred out of twenty four hundred scheduled flights affecting seventy thousand passengers. last how does that balance should of told one of ryan as european based his last what s the situation there right now. well garrett it s actually pretty calm and quiet here it s been calm and quiet and very much under control all day so far which is exactly as was to be expected because this was a pre-announced strike the pilots that make it public about two weeks ago and ryan air has spent the last three days rebooking people so everything was very orderly no problems at all here but of course behind the scenes there are major problems for ryan air and they have to rethink their strategy and everything. this isn t the first time brian and pilots have gone on strike how effective are these strikes going to be. nobody knows for sure but it might very well be an effective strike this time because we ve seen a lot of strikes at ryan in the last couple of weeks and ryan of course is already know a very very unreliable airline which a lot of people won t book because you can never be sure if you after actually ever reach your destination so ryan air might really have to do something as c.e.o. michael o leary has said hell freezes over before he would sign a contract with the unions and pay more and offer better working conditions but maybe he does that that choice anymore because the airline might just not be able to operate if it s going to be continue to be crippled by by strikes and of course if ryan air has to change its business model maybe the entire airline industry at least the cheap flight segment will have to rethink its business model. as well insert a photo port thank you very much. to. european markets are falling today on worries over turkey s economy the country s currency has hit another new love falling another five percent on friday after crashing below six liras to a dollar for the first time the lira has lost about half of its value since the beginning of the year this comes amid strained ties with washington over the jailing of an american pastor and there are fears turkey s economy is overheating. for more on that story let s cross over to w. correspondent dorian jones in istanbul dorian how is every day life of the average turkish family affected by now. but i think the moment the main effect is psychological because for many turks they see the health of the economy hated by the strength of the currency obviously that is taking a pounding about going forward the big fear will be inflation is already experiencing double digit inflation and the fact now with the head. devaluation of the currency that that will stoke inflationary fires in the country turkey imports nearly all of its energy energy prices are set to go up by as much as thirty percent this winter it could be a lot more also many of turkey s products are the denominated in foreign currencies all materials that is expected to have a further if a fake into the turkish economy this winter is expected already it has been very difficult now with this out of the currency things could get a lot worse and the fear is that turkey could be experiencing uncontrollable inflation toki in the ninety s experience triple digit inflation those memories are still there for many older turks and the fear is that this turkey could be in facing major inflationary problems going forward. history tells us the high inflation is an absolute toys for politicians do you think. this inflation has the potential of turning public opinion on the streets against the president or the one who s just been related. well that s very difficult to say president heard one speak in the early hours of morning gave a very nationalistic speech saying these people have their dollars but we have our people and of gold that scene is very much a rallying a rallying of the flag and it does seem to a certain extent to be working prominent figures of the opposition have said this is a time for unity and you have to realize much of the media if not all of the mainstream media is now under the direct or in direct control of the president has been very little reporting on this currency crisis and certainly none critical so going forward at least in the new short term here the president could see this a way of running the country behind him but you have to realize that the bedrock of heard once fifteen years of success has been a strong economy which brought. many of his conservative supporters now they too have a vested interest in a strong economy the economy continues to go south he could pay a price going forward. during the government our so-called new economic plan later this afternoon what can we expect there briefly if you can. well no one knows everyone is waiting with bated breath but everyone knows what needs to be done a major hike in interest rates yesterday people calling for five hundred basis points today thousand and also they re calling for an end to this u.s. turkish attentions if that happens that would take off the table the threat of financial sanctions from the u.s. these are seen as a key step to be taken at least to control the currency rout further for what they want a road map for economic stability and a reining in of inflation. in istanbul thank you. and here s a reminder of the top stories we re following for you going to tell you all expenses a fierce critic of the kremlin is said to be close to death on hunger strike in a russian jail france s president obama will mark on is due to raise the case with russia s vladimir putin today. and that s it today she was indeed of the news from berlin more news coming out the 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Rachel Maddow takes a look at the day s top political news stories. comments are anything to go by. the new york times reported that the serving white house counsel don mcgahn has done more than 30 hours of voluntary interviews with the special counsel robert mueller and his team of prosecutors. shortly there after we got new reporting from the times about the president s personal lawyer being sqozed, for look of a better term. the wall street journal is first on the story as they have bone the criminal intrigue surrounding president trump s long time lawyer michael cohen from the very beginning. but following the initial reporting a couple weeks ago that the potential charges michael cohen might be facing, now the new york times as of yesterday and the associated press as of today, who have both match that had story. so the wall street journal and the ap and the new york times, all now reporting that michael cohen s legal vulnerability may be at least in part rehated to interesting, right? lawyers getting lawyers is one thing. lawyers becoming corroborating witnesses is an even bigger thing. i think there are steps we should take to avoid being spun or misled on both those stories. so we ll get to some of that ahead tonight. i feel like, when you see a story about mcgahn or cohen coming down the pike, unless it has publicly verifiable information, tread lightly. don t go too fast around this corner. this may be someone trying to trip you up. there have been a bunch of new developments today and into this evening including one that reflights this guy. remember this guy? he is the one person who has gone to prison already. actually served his custodial sentence in the russia scandal. his name is alex van der zwan. he laid to investigators about his role in one of paul manafort s foreign lobbying gigs. it has always been possible there was a big biographical coincidence about him. it is totally possible it s a coincidence. but one of the more intriguing details about him, who has served his time in prison. we think he s left the country since serving his anaheim priti prison. it has been fascinating to know that his father-in-law is a russian oligarch close to vladimir putin who turns up in the christopher steel dossier. he is married to the daughter of this man, herman khan, one of three wealthy russians who control a banking empire called alpha bank. it has popped up in a couple of different ways. defamation lawsuit against christopher steel and the intelligence firm. the dossier didn t really say anything all that damning about alpha bank. it described herman khan. he described them as having a close relationship with putin. they said significant favors continue to be done in both directions. still giving still giving informal advice to putin. especially on the u.s. so that s what s in the steel dossier. they could each other favors. further, they maybe funneled money to putin in his st. petersburg days. this is not the world s most salacious stuff. but it has tina life of its own. republicans in congress, president trump, the white house more broadly, they have spent months trying to turn the steel dossier itself boo a huge scandal. it is against one serving justice department official. because bruce ohr s wife worked at fusion gps. mr. ohr appears to have contact himself with christopher steel during the campaign. so house republicans have gone along with the attacks on the dossier, the attacks on anybody associated with the dossier, and they are now going i know what the attacks on the justice department official who the justice department has singled out as being connected to the dossier. house republicans have summoned bruce ohr. they threatened a subpoena but he will appear voluntarily. so there is been all this drama around the steele dossier. the other threatening action related to the steele dossier has been lawsuits. these lawsuits, like the one, filed by herman khan. today a judge dismissed the defamation lawsuits against christopher steele and orbis business intelligence. it was dismissed with prejudice which means the plaintiffs cannot bring it up again. so alpha bank. we still don t know if there was anything operational when it came to efforts to interfere in the 2016 election or any potential trump campaign involvement in that effort. we ve seen no firm evidence but lots of suggestions about that possibility. we still don t know if it is just a coincidence. we still don t know if there s anything shady about the fact brian, hired by alpha bank to get them out of that russia related scandal ends up in a senior position at the u.s. justice department. but at least we do have this one conclusive statement today. the effort to sue, to make their connection to the steele dossier go away. today that lawsuit failed in a way that seems quite definitive. the next person to go to prison in the trump scandal might be george papadopoulos. late friday we learned the special counsel recommended to the judge in this case that george papadopoulos should serve up to six months in prison. the actual recommendation range it was zero to six months in prison. the great lynn sweet at the chicago sun times report that george papadopoulos s lawyers intend to ask the judge in this case for zero jail time. the formal response to the sentencing recommendation is due at the end of next week. when you look at the sentencing recommendation for george papadopoulos from the special counsel s office, from the prosecutors, it was really not good for him. aside from the range of potential prison time they are suggesting, the way they describe papadopoulos s behavior is not complimentary to him. the prosecutors told the court, the plea agreement entered into was not a standard cooperation agreement. prosecutors merely agreed to bring to the court s attention at sentencing the defendant s efforts to cooperate with the government. what prosecutors ended up bringing to the court s attention at sentencing was ten-page long list of ways in which george papadopoulos didn t help them out at all. quote, the defendant did not provide substantial assistance. the prosecutors later said that he lied over and over again in ways that materially hurt the government s case. quote, the defendant s crime was serious, both in terms of the underlying conduct and its effect on the investigation. the defendant knew the questions he was asked by the fbi were important and he knew his answers were false at the time he gave them. his lies negatively affected fbi s russia investigation and prevented the fbi from effectively identifying and confronting witnesses in a timely fashion. they were not momentary lapses. he lied repeatedly over the course of more than two hours. the sentence imposed should reflect lying to federal investigators has real consequences. especially where the defendant lied to investigators about critical facts and an investigation of national importance. after having been explicitly warned that lying to the fbi is a federal offense. the nature and circumstances of the offense warrant a sentence of incarceration. so a couple things to watch. number one, this is the government emphatically saying, george papadopoulos should do jail time. according to lynn sweet s report, they said he shouldn t do any jail time at all. but reference there that i read from the sentencing recommendation, there part here. the plea agreement sweer into was not a standard cooperation agreement. that raises the possibility george papadopoulos may have some ongoing criminal liability here. this is not a recommendation that says, you know, listen, judge, our deal has been upheld on both sides. this guy was really helpful to us. not that. they re saying he didn t help us and he lied. this was not a formal agreement. we said we told the judge, if he helped us when it came time. they re saying, no, he didn t help us. the prospect of additional criminal liability. some indictment, some new indictment in the future. now that we know the government says he wasn t an earnest cooperator, that now looms over this little part of this case. and the sense that there is something important unresolved and it comes to george papadopoulos was helped along by this public statement that he made today on twitter. 4:00 this afternoon. i ll quote it directly. quote, been a hell of a year. decisions. as a point of fact i m not sure how many decisions he has to make. we ll get some expert advice on that in a moment. the last set of developments in today s news related to the scandal. centered around the campaign chairman, paul manafort, who incidentally, has a notable new neighbor. as of this weekend. in a move that was described as surprise to all involved friday night, look who moved in. accused russian foreign agent maria butina. on friday night was moved from the jail in d.c. where she was arrested in july. they took her out of that jail friday night and brought her over to where paul manafort lives now which is the federal lockup in xanld rhea, virginia. the reason we have this unflattering picture of her is because i think she s been moved to that new facility in virginia. you see the alexandria sheriff s office. i think we get mug shots from that facility. she hasn t been convicted of anything. she s being held in jail before her trial because prosecutors thought she would be a flight risk. basically, they argued to the judge that the russians would spirit her out of the country before she cover face charges if the judge left her out on the street. that s why she has not been let out on the street. but now for whatever reason, they have moved her from one lockup. that means she s only about two blocks away from where paul manafort s trial has been underway in virginia. that s not the courthouse where she ll be tried. she ll be tried in washington, d.c. we know it is not unheard of for people waiting to end up in this jail. and it is surprising that nobody knows why she was moved. according to her lawyer, neither she nor her lawyer had any notice before it happened 40 night. her attorney said, i got a collect call. he visited her this morning. she was not in, i am still unaware of the reason. we contacted him today to see if he had learned today why his client was moved from d.c. to virginia. he told us, quote, no news. i have no answers yet. you can ask the marshals service. it is their call. we did ask the marshals service and they didn t call us back. surprise! there s no reason to think that they ll have contact with each other while they re in the same jail but it is weird that they are now both in the same jail. we are expecting to get prosecutors list of evidence that they planned to use against manafort in his next criminal trial due to start next month in federal court in d.c. the evidence list has been described as containing over 1,000 items. the deadline for the list is to be made public, is that it should be made public tomorrow. that should be a big long list. it should be a very interesting window into what paul manafort s next prosecution might look like. and meanwhile, we re still waiting on the jury and his first felony trial. the jury considering manafort s fate in virginia, they deliberated all day thursday, they deliberated all day friday. the judge sent them home over the week. they ve deliberated all day today. at 4:49 today, the judge announced the jury would stay late. last week they broke at 5:00. today, they asked to deliberate until later. until at least 6:15 p.m. maybe they might be planning to release a verdict on manafort tonight. that turned out not to be the case. the court reconvened after 6:00 and many the judge announced, once again no verdict. they will come back tomorrow to start deliberating again at 9:30 in the morning. so two questions. with a jury deliberating over the course of nine hours today and 24 hours in total. is that starting to feel like a long time some is that a long deliberation and does it mean anything? if you re an attorney, they go through these long stretches. do you find it to be heartening or disheartening or do we just not know? second question. last question. is it a little weird that the jury is like on the loose? out in the wild? not sequestered? they re just sent home every night. they re sent home the whole weekend. the judge himself has suggested that jurors might reasonably be afraid for their own safety in this case. he stated that he s received threats in conjunction with this case. he cited the threats in conjunction with not releasing the names. and they are freely mingling with reporters and anybody else who has business at the xanld rhea federal courthouse. meanwhile, with these jurors, sort of on the loose despite that the judge is talking about potential danger they might be in, the judge has been admonishing them every day that they shouldn t consume any media about the case. this is unusual. there s a certain amount of pressure in this case on, which these jurors are deliberating. the president of the united states has repeatedly made public statements praising the defendant. saying the defendant is being mistreated. calling his prosecution sad. and on the other side, every day, and sometimes two, three, four, six times a day, the president makes public statements in writing and out loud denouncing the prosecution in this case. he s been praising the defendant, paul manafort, and he s been denouncing the prosecution. the special counsel s office. the president daily renounces them. it might be difficult for jurors to avoid seeing any mention of the fact. that the president has been calling the prosecutors in this case, quote, a national disgrace. saying this is a rigged investigation. the president deriding robert mueller and the special counsel s office. presidents in the past have avoided weighing in on criminal cases so as to avoid the appearance in a penning case. with this president it is totally the obvious. he is absolutely trying to influence the case. and i know it is rare to sequester a jury, to put a jury in a hotel and not give them any contact with their homes or the outside world until later. but the president of the united states is directing at this case on a daily basis, clearly trying to influence the verdict of the jury. is this one of those cases where the jury should have been sequestered? joining us now, barbara mcquaid thank you so much. nice to see you. my pleasure to see you. it is my impression as i rare thing for a jury to be sequestered but judges do sometimes order it, and particularly high profile cases or when there s a particularly high prediction jurors under normal circumstances won t be able to have avoid media exposure or pressure on their verdict. is that basically true? yeah. it is very rare that a jury would be sequestered. i ve never seen in it federal court. i know it has happened in some high profile cases. i think the bill cosby case was one, o.j. simpson, casey anthony, george zimmerman. so a few high profile cases. but i know one difference is that they re not televised. so you re not likely to see television coverage. so another reason is you dome want to put pressure on jurors to get done and get on with their lives and sequestration to cause them to be hasty in their decision. aside from that, expense. i ve never seen it done in federal court. in terms of the president s remarks in this case, i see his remarks being so starkly positive toward the defendant, unfair prosecution of the defendant, and his withering attacks, even in personal terms against the president. would that, what can the judge do to protect them? the judge does give that instruction. a standard instruction. when i was in court he gave that instruction every day. not to read anything in the media. to discuss the case. there s case law that says jurors are presumed to have followed their instructions unless you can show otherwise. so people expect that juries will follow that advice. there are four alternates in this case so if someone were to come in and say, i was at home and i overheard this on the television. or someone blurted this out or someone told me trump said these things. they could be replaced with alternate. but i think the judge would ask you, do you think you could set it aside, i think most people would say yes, i can set them aside. so certainly they re highly inflammatory and highly irregular that we would see something like this. prosecutors are ethically bound not to speak with the guilt because an authority figure could have an influence on the outcome. so it is very shocking that a president would make comments like this. and what do you lethink? the longer it is, the more likely there is a hung juror or a not guilty. i don t think we ve gone on that long yet. they say bits a day of dleb rags for every week of testimony. in this case, i would think with the complexity they did not always display the documents. he would say they can look at that later is causing lengthier deliberations. he speeded up the trial but i think the cost for that is lengthier deliberations, while they go back and review all the documents. so i m not concerned yet. and we all end up on the edge of our seats. thank you. thank you. we have a lot to get to. stay with us. to find my dream abode. -right away, i could tell his priorities were a little unorthodox. -keep going. stop. a little bit down. stop. back up again. is this adequate sunlight for a komodo dragon? -yeah. -sure, i want that discount on car insurance just for owning a home, but i m not compromising. -you re taking a shower? -water pressure s crucial, scott! it s like they say location, location, koi pond. -they don t say that. it s like they say location, location, koi pond. if your moderate to severeor crohn s symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn t worked well enough it may be time for a change. 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when is this going to happen? second question is, is michael cohen talking with prosecutors about a potential cooperation deal to lessen his legal jeopardy to help prosecutors with information that they could use in other cases? that s what everybody is watching. i m not going to give you, we re chasing that story as hard as everybody is. everybody is chasing the same story. that potential drama of the president s white house counsel don mcgahn and his personal lawyer michael cohen, not just getting lawyers themselves but potentially enthusiastic witnesses in cases involving the president? yeah. there s a reason everybody is chasing this story so hard. but here is something specific to consider. late last week, there document was filed in federal court in manhattan. just two pages. from the special master who was hired by the court to review evidence that was seized from michael cohen s home. his home and his office and his hotel newsroom april. the special master was appointed by the court to check all the documents that were seized to make sure they were not covered by attorney-client privilege. and if they were not, then he would hand them over to special prosecutors to review for charges against michael cohen. well, in this last little filing, from the special master late last week, the special master, this retired judge, gives a final accounting of just how many documents and files she found to be covered by attorney-client privilege. bottom line is not many. a found thousand out of millions of documents taken. but look at this. special master also says, there was one thing that i couldn t ever review. i could never look the see wlor it was covered by attorney-client privilege. just one. michael cohen s encrypted black berry. she said she never got and its contents on review because apparently they don t have the password to the black berry. so the special master said in this filing, if down the road the government does manage to crack it open, they ll to have use a filter team at the u.s. attorney s office and check to it see if any of the stuff is privileged. and she hopes that s okay. because she s done now. she s wrapped up her work so that s the one outstanding matter. that still hand been taken care of. you ll to have deal with it some other way. here my question. nearly five months into the michael cohen saga, prosecutors still don t have the password to his blackberry? why have i read 5,000 articles in which michael cohen has given every conceivable signal that he wants to cooperate. that all this gossip and spin he is desperate to help prosecutors any way he can. if so, shouldn t michael cohen be sky writing his blackberry password over sdny headquarters? if they need that password, that s the one bit of his files and documents they haven t reviewed. the stuff on that blackberry. if they need and it they don t have it, isn t that a clear sign the two sides are not talking? or at least if they are talking, he s not helping. so much 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how come he is so good at getting a heroic look at his stoic forebaerns into the papers? how has he managed to get so many stories into the newspapers in which he alone, he bravely is secretly the real american hero? don mcigan is reported to have been the one who calmed the president down after rob mueller was appointed. so the president didn t do something truly crazy. don mcgahn has threatened to resign rather than fire robert mueller, which the president had ordered him to do. do you think the white house weirdly mishandled the firing of mike flynn after they were warned? no, no. he didn t mismanage anything. he reportedly warned the white house about the lying of michael flynn right away. he was right on top of it. don mcigan shows up in the press as hanging in there through the chaos, self-lessly pulling back from quitting, hanging in there to take care of the country s needs despite really being pushed around by the president in an unfair way. i don t know who one day will pay the part familiar with his thinking when the movie is made of all this but the role is getting larger every day. this tweaked times reported that don mcgahn has cooperated extensive when i the robert mueller inquiry. he sat with investigators over 30 hours in the last nine months. he laid out how the president tried ensure the investigation though never going beyond his legal authorities. and yes, the white house may be a little freaked out to realize they had no idea don mcigan had talked so much. they had no idea that in the 30 hours of testimony, that he don mcgahn had no choice but to self-l selflessly give. the legal team told the lawyers he would have resigned if he thought he had witnessed the president committing a crime. the source tell nbc, there s no way of knowing how his testimony may fit with any other evidence that the mueller investigation has collected. the mystery, the secret heroism keeps growing by the hour. there are a few lumps in the oinltment though. hold that thought. this is an insurance commercial. if your moderate to severeor crohn s symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn t worked well enough it may be time for a change. ask your doctor about entyvio®, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohn s. entyvio® works at the site of inflammation in the gi tract, and is clinically proven to help many patients achieve both symptom relief and remission. infusion and serious allergic reactions can happen during or after treatment. entyvio® may increase risk of infection, which can be serious. pml, a rare, serious, potentially fatal brain infection caused by a virus may be possible. tell your doctor if you have an infection experience frequent infections or have flu-like symptoms, or sores. liver problems can occur with entyvio®. if your uc or crohn s treatment isn t working for you, ask your gastroenterologist about entyvio®. entyvio®. relief and remission within reach. owners always seem so happy? 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will testifying now help him avoid that fate? and is the president right to be concerned about rats? joining us now the nbc news presidential historian. it is great to have you with us tonight? thanks, rachel. good to see you. the president today called john dean a rat. when dean came forward in 1973, what did nixon supporters do in response? how was he treated at the time? well, when he testified before the senate, as you were just showing and said that nixon was central to the coverup, a lot of nixon people were very angry. but what amazes me, rachel, is that if we were to talk to any president from gerald ford all the way through barack obama and say what do you think of john dean? they would have said a flawed person but ultimately a hero of watergate because he helped to expose richard nixon. this is another sign of this weird time we re living through that the current president, donald trump, was use a word like rat. one of the things we re watching unspool now in this story is that nobody is quite sure whether or not don mcgahn acted heroically or whether he had to talk to the special counsel. did john dean at white house counsel have a choice in terms of whether he was going to cop wop rate? he worried he was going to get blamed and this was his effort to get out ahead of it. but how much of a choice did he have? in the end probably not much. you were so right tonight to say be very kcautious about what we re hearing from the outside. in dean s case he knew he was central to the coverup. he knew nixon was trying to make him the scapegoat and blame watergate on him. when dean started talking to people in the legal process, he did two things that ultimately were crucial. number one, he gave them information that showed that not only should they will investigating the watergate break-in, which is what they had been focussed on, but they should also look at nixon in terms of obstruction of justice that shifted the investigation. ultimately, obstruction of justice was article number one of the bills of impeachment that would have been voted against nixon. the other thing dean did was he said when i was talking to nixon nixon would say things like, well, i didn t do such and such, did i, john? it sounded as many maybe i was being taped. that caused them to be aware of the possibility that there would be tapes that would show the real story. dean s recollections about the way nixon talked to him was a signal essentially to investigators that there were tapes they should look for. they were looking very hard and finally, alexander butterfield knew about that, was approached by investigators for the senate watergate committee. he was the one that revealed those tapes to the public. ultima ultimately, they brought nixon down. thank you, my friend. great to have you here. thank you. be waell. thank you. stay with us. adults are just kids with much, much better toys. introducing the 2018 c-class sedan, coupe and cabriolet. the thrills keep getting better. lease the c300 sedan for $399 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. you might be missing something.y healthy. your eyes. that s why there s ocuvite. ocuvite helps replenish nutrients your eyes can lose as you age. it has lutein, zeaxanthin and omega-3. ocuvite. be good to your eyes. you shouldn t be rushed into booking a hotel. with expedia s add-on advantage, booking a flight unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip. add-on advantage. only when you book with expedia. so you have, your headphones, chair, new laptop, 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes. start them off right, with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long. like these for only $2 or less at office depot officemax. mom: okay we need to get all your school supplies today. school. grade. done. done. hit the snooze button and get low prices on school supplies all summer long. like these for only $2 or less at office depot officemax.
Rachel Maddow takes a look at the day s top political news stories. has publicly verifiable information, tread lightly. don t go too fast around this corner. this may be someone trying to trip you up. on top of the mcgahn and cohen news, there have been a bunch of new developments today and into this evening including one that relates to this guy. remember this guy? he is the one person who has gone to prison already. actually served his custodial sentence in the russia scandal. his name is alex van der zwaan. he s a lawyer that served 30 days in federal lockup as punishment for lying to investigators about his role in one of paul manafort s foreign lobbying gigs. it has always been possible there was a big biographical coincidence about him. it is totally possible it s a coincidence. but one of the more intriguing details about him, who has oligarchs. he described them as having a close relationship with putin. they said significant favors continue to be done in both directions. quote, still giving still giving informal advice to putin. especially on the u.s. so that s what s in the steel d dossier about alpha bank. they could each other favors. further, they maybe funneled money to putin in his st. petersburg days. this is not the world s most salacious stuff. but it has taken on a life of its own. republicans in congress, president trump, the white house more broadly, they have spent months trying to turn the steel dossier itself boo a huge scandal. it is against one serving justice department official. because bruce ohr s wife worked at fusion gps. mr. ohr appears to have contact himself with christopher steel during the campaign. so house republicans have gone along with the attacks on the dossier, the attacks on anybody associated with the dossier, and they are now going i know what the attacks on the justice department official who the justice department has singled out as being connected to the dossier. house republicans have summoned bruce ohr. they threatened a subpoena but he will appear voluntarily. so there is been all this drama in the u.s. around the steele dossier. which continues to rattle around. but the other threatening action related to the steele dossier has been lawsuits. these lawsuits, like the one, filed by herman khan and the other founders of alpha bank. today a judge dismissed the defamation lawsuits against christopher steele and orbis business intelligence. it was dismissed with prejudice which means the plaintiffs cannot bring it up again. so alpha bank. we still don t know if there was anything operational when it came to efforts to interfere in the 2016 election or any potential trump campaign involvement in that effort. we ve seen no firm evidence but lots of suggestions about that possibility. we still don t know if it is just a coincidence. we still don t know if there s anything shady about the fact brian, hired by alpha bank to get them out of that russia related scandal ends up in a senior position at the u.s. justice department. but at least we do have this one conclusive statement today. the effort to sue, to make their connection to the steele dossier go away. today that lawsuit failed in a way that seems quite definitive. the next person to go to prison in the trump scandal might be george papadopoulos. late friday we learned the special counsel recommended to the judge in this case that george papadopoulos should serve up to six months in prison. the actual recommendation range it was zero to six months in prison. the great lynn sweet at the chicago sun times report that george papadopoulos s lawyers intend to ask the judge in this case for zero jail time. the formal response to the sentencing recommendation is due at the end of next week. when you look at the sentencing recommendation for george papadopoulos from the special counsel s office, from the prosecutors, it was really not good for him. aside from the range of potential prison time they are suggesting, the way they describe papadopoulos s behavior is not complimentary to him. it is not designed to put him in good stead in the eyes of the judge. the prosecutors told the court, the plea agreement entered into was not a standard cooperation agreement. prosecutors merely agreed to bring to the court s attention at sentencing the defendant s efforts to cooperate with the government. what prosecutors ended up bringing to the court s attention at sentencing was ten-page long list of ways in which george papadopoulos didn t help them out at all. quote, the defendant did not provide substantial assistance. the prosecutors later said that he lied over and over again in ways that materially hurt the government s case. quote, the defendant s crime was serious, both in terms of the underlying conduct and its effect on the investigation. the defendant knew the questions he was asked by the fbi were important and he knew his answers were false at the time he gave them. his lies negatively affected fbi s russia investigation and prevented the fbi from effectively identifying and confronting witnesses in a timely fashion. they were not momentary lapses. he lied repeatedly over the course of more than two hours. the sentence imposed should reflect lying to federal investigators has real consequences. especially where the defendant lied to investigators about critical facts and an investigation of national importance. after having been explicitly warned that lying to the fbi is a federal offense. the nature and circumstances of the offense warrant a sentence of incarceration. so a couple things to watch. number one, this is the government emphatically saying, george papadopoulos should do jail time. according to lynn sweet s report, they said he shouldn t do any jail time at all. but reference there that i read from the sentencing recommendation, this part here. the plea agreement entered into was not a standard cooperation agreement. that raises the possibility george papadopoulos may have some ongoing criminal liability here. this is not a recommendation that says, you know, listen, judge, our deal has been upheld on both sides. this guy was really helpful to us. not that. they re saying he didn t help us and he lied. this was not a formal agreement. we said we told the judge, if he helped us when it came time. they re saying, no, he didn t help us. the prospect of additional criminal liability. some indictment, some new indictment in the future. now that we know the government says he wasn t an earnest cooperator, that now looms over this little part of this case. and the sense that there is something important unresolved and it comes to george papadopoulos was helped along by this public statement that he made today on twitter. 4:00 this afternoon. i ll quote it directly. quote, been a hell of a year. decisions. as a point of fact i m not sure how many decisions he has to make. we ll get some expert advice on that in a moment. the last set of developments in today s news related to the scandal. centered around the campaign chairman, paul manafort, who incidentally, has a notable new neighbor. as of this weekend. in a move that was described as surprise to all involved friday night, look who moved in. accused russian foreign agent maria butina. on friday night was moved from the jail in d.c. where she was held since she was arrested in july. they took her out of that jail friday night and brought her over to where paul manafort lives now which is the federal lockup in alexandria, virginia. the reason we have this unflattering picture of her is because i think she s been moved to that new facility in virginia. you see the alexandria sheriff s office. i think we get mug shots from that facility. that s why we ve got paul manafort s mug shot, too. she hasn t been convicted of anything. she s being held in jail before her trial because prosecutors thought she would be a flight risk. basically, they argued to the judge that the russians would spirit her out of the country before she cover face charges if the judge left her out on the street. that s why she has not been let out on the street. but now for whatever reason, they have moved her from one lockup to another. that means she s only about two blocks away from where paul manafort s trial has been underway in virginia. that s not the courthouse where she ll be tried. she ll be tried in washington, d.c. we know it is not unheard of for people waiting to end up in this virginia jail instead. and it is surprising that nobody knows why she was moved. according to her lawyer, neither she nor her lawyer had any notice before it happened 40 night. her attorney said, i got a collect call. i was discon nkted before i would speak. he visited her this morning. she was not in, i am still unaware of the reason. we contacted him today to see if he had learned today why his client was moved from d.c. to virginia. he told us, quote, no news. i have no answers yet. you can ask the marshals service. it is their call. we did ask the marshals service and they didn t call us back. surprise! if we do get a call back from them, i will let you know. there s no reason to think that they ll have contact with each other while they re in the same jail but it is weird that they are now both in the same jail. in terms of paul manafort s case, we are expecting to get prosecutors list of evidence that they planned to use against manafort in his next criminal trial due to start next month in federal court in d.c. the evidence list has been described as containing over 1,000 items. the deadline for the list is to be made public, is that it should be made public tomorrow. that should be a big long list. it should be a very interesting window into what paul manafort s next prosecution might look like. and meanwhile, we re still waiting on the jury and his first felony trial. the jury considering manafort s fate in virginia, they deliberated all day thursday, they deliberated all day friday. the judge sent them home over the week. they ve deliberated all day today. at 4:49 today, the judge announced the jury would stay late. last week they broke at 5:00. today, they asked to deliberate until later. they wanted to stay deliberating until at least 6:15 p.m. maybe they might be planning to release a verdict on manafort tonight. that turned out not to be the case. the court reconvened after 6:00 and many the judge announced, once again no verdict. they will come back tomorrow to start deliberating again at 9:30 in the morning. so two questions. first of all, with a jury deliberating over the course of nine hours today and 24 hours in total. is that starting to feel like a watching the jury as they go on for the long stretches, not asking questions anymore, like they did on the first day, do you find that to be heartening or disheartenning, or do we not know. consecuti second question, last question. is it weird that the jury is like, on the loose, out in the wild? not sequestered, they are sent home every night. they were sent home for the whole weekend t judge himself suggested that the jurors may be reasonably afraid for their own safety. he stated in court, he received threats in the case, he has decided to not release the jurors names, but he allowed courtroom artists to show us what they look like and they are ming he wi and they are minge with the public, and with the media, and anybody that has business at the courthouse. meanwhile, with the jurors on the loose, despite the fact that the judge is talking about the potential danger that they are in. he is admonishing them. there s an unusual amount of ambient noise and pressure on this case. on which these jurors are deliberating. from the start of the trial, the president of the united states has made public statements praising the department. every day, 2, thre3, 4, 5, 6 tia day, the president makes statements denouncing the prosecution in the case. and he has been praising the defendant, and denouncing the prosecution, he daily denounces the special council s office, in terms that are so stark that it may be tough for the jurors to avoid it. calling them angry democrat thugs that are ruining people s lives. saying it s a rigged investigation. the president deriding robert mueller and the special council s office is deriding the prosecution in the case. presidents have avoided weighing in on pending criminal cases to avoid the appearance of influence on jury deliberations or any other aspect of a pending case. in this case, with had this president with this president, it s the opposite. he is absolutely trying to influence the case. and i know it is rare to sequester a jury to put a jury in a hotel and not give them contact with their homes or the outside world until they have a verdict. i know it s rare to do that. but given the very unusual firehose of public invecta from the sitting president of the united states, clearing trying to influence the verdict of the jury, is this one of those rare case where is the jury should have been sequestered in joining us now is barbara mcquaid, barbe, thank you so much, it s nice to see you. oh, my pleasure to be here. nice to see you. i believe, and again, i don t know the things. it s my impression that it s a rare thing for a jury to be sequestered but judges do order it when there s a high profile case or the jurors have a particularly high risk that they will not be able to avoid media exposure or pressure on their to he poe verdict, is that true? it s rare that a jury is sequestered. i have not seen it in federal court, but i ve seen it in the state high profile cases. the bill cosby, and o.j. simpson, there s a few where there s high profile cases. but one difference between state court and federal court proceedings, they are not televised, you are not going to see television tofootage of the trial, it s expensive and the other reason, you do not want to punishes pressu you don t wan put pressure on juries to want to get home. so, aside from that, the expense. i have never seen it done in federal court. and in terms of the president s remarks on this case, i see his remarks here as being so starkly positive toward the defendant s lamenting what he describes as mistreatment, and unfair prosecution of the defendant and of course, his h withering attacks against the prosecutors, those look like the kind of statements from a president that may be designed to influence a jury s verdict. what can the judge do, other than instructing the jury to not pay attention to it to protect them from those kind of pressures? the judge does give that instruction, a standard instruction, when i was in the court, he gave it every day, not to read anything in the media and discuss anything in the case. there s case law that says the jurors are prezsumed to follow the instructions, unless proved otherwise. if they do get inadvertently exposesed to something. they are expected to self report. there s four alternates in the case. if someone came in and s and said, i was home and saw this on the television, they could be replaced with an alternate. but i think a judge would likely ask them, what did you hear? has it influenced you? can you set it aside and decide the case based on the facts and the law that you hear in the court? most people can say yes, can i set it aside. so, you know, certainly they are highly inflammatory and highly irregular. the prosecutors are not allowed to say anything about the guilt of it s shocking that a president would say these things about a criminal defendant. one last question for you, barb, what do you make of the length of time that the jury is deliberating? it s not cause for concern yet. it s the case that the longer a jury deliberates the more likely there is that there s a hung juror or a hold out. i don t think we have gone on that long yet. they say it s usually a day of deliberation for every week of testimony, with the complexity of the case and the fact that the judge did not allow the prosecutors to always publish or display the documents at the time they were discussed and he would say, they can look at it later, is causing a lengthier deliberation. you know, he speeded up the trial, the cost is the longer deliberation. and we end up on the edge of our seat. busy monday night, stay with us. i just switched to geico and got more. more? got a company i can trust. that s a heck of a lot more. over 75 years of great savings and service. you can t argue with more. why would ya? geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more. add-on advantage. discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip. only when you book with expedia. this wi-fi is fast. i know! i know! i know! i know! when did brian move back in? brian s back? he doesn t get my room. he s only going to be here for like a week. like a month, tops. oh boy. wi-fi fast enough for the whole family is simple, easy, awesome. in many cultures, young men would stay with their families until their 40 s. the new york times is reporting that the ongoing investigation regarding michael cohen is zeroing in on potential bank fraud involving michael cohen s involvement in the taxi business. also campaign finance loans in the payoffs that he helped arrange to at least two women who said they had sexual relationships with the president. this follows same contours of what was reported a couple weeks ago by the wall street journal. now the new york times has the story, too, as does the associated press. all of these stories have the same basic contours. and none of that is the same as us seeing a real live indictment. but it does at least mean there s a big pile of credible corroborating reporting that all lays out the same potential charges against cohen. if it is true about what michael cohen will be charged with, then first question is, oh, yeah? show me. when is this going to happen? second question is, is michael cohen talking with prosecutors about a potential cooperation deal to lessen his legal jeopardy to help prosecutors with information that they could use in other cases? that s what everybody is watching. i m not going to give you, we re chasing that story as hard as everybody is. everybody is chasing the same story. that potential drama of the president s white house counsel don mcgahn and his personal lawyer michael cohen, not just getting lawyers themselves but potentially enthusiastic witnesses in cases involving the president? yeah. there s a reason everybody is chasing this story so hard. but here is something specific to consider. late last week, there document was filed in federal court in manhattan. just two pages. from the special master who was hired by the court to review evidence that was seized from michael cohen s home. his home and his office and his hotel newsroom april. the special master was appointed by the court to check all the documents that were seized to make sure they were not covered by attorney-client privilege. and if they were not, then he would hand them over to special prosecutors to review for charges against michael cohen. well, in this last little filing, from the special master late last week, the special master, this retired judge, gives a final accounting of just how many documents and files she found to be covered by attorney-client privilege. bottom line is not many. a found thousand out of millions of documents taken. but look at this. a special master also says, there was one thing that i couldn t ever review. i could never look to see whether it was covered by attorney-client privilege. just one. michael cohen s encrypted black berry. she said she never got and its contents on review because apparently they don t have the password to the black berry. so the special master said in this filing, if down the road the government does manage to crack it open, they ll to have use a filter team at the u.s. attorney s office and check to it see if any of the stuff is privileged. and she hopes that s okay. because she s done now. she s wrapped up her work so that s the one outstanding matter. that still hand been taken care of. you ll to have deal with it some other way. here my question. nearly five months into the michael cohen saga, prosecutors still don t have the password to his blackberry? why have i read 5,000 articles in which michael cohen has given every conceivable signal that he wants to cooperate. that all this gossip and spin he is desperate to help prosecutors any way he can. if so, shouldn t michael cohen be sky writing his blackberry password over sdny headquarters? if they need that password, that s the one bit of his files and documents they haven t reviewed. the stuff on that blackberry. if they need and it they don t have it, isn t that a clear sign the two sides are not talking? or at least if they are talking, he s not helping. so much spin around the michael cohen side of this story. do not fall for it. watch this space. let 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forebearance into the papers? how has he managed to get so many stories into the newspapers in which he alone, he bravely is secretly the real american hero? don mcigan is reported to have been the one who calmed the president down after rob mueller was appointed. so the president didn t do something truly crazy. don mcgahn has threatened to resign rather than fire robert mueller, which the president had ordered him to do. do you think the white house weirdly mishandled the firing of mike flynn after they were warned? no, no. he didn t mismanage anything. he reportedly warned the white house about the lying of michael flynn right away. he was right on top of it. don mcigan shows up in the press as hanging in there through the chaos, self-lessly pulling back from quitting, hanging in there to take care of the country s needs despite really being pushed around by the president in an unfair way. i don t know who one day will pay the part familiar with his thinking when the movie is made of all this but the role is getting larger every day. this tweaked times reported that don mcgahn has cooperated extensive when i the robert mueller inquiry. he sat with investigators over 30 hours in the last nine months. he laid out how the president tried ensure the investigation though never going beyond his legal authorities. and yes, the white house may be a little freaked out to realize they had no idea don mcigan had talked so much. they had no idea that in the 30 hours of testimony, that he don mcgahn had no choice but to selflessly give. the legal team told the lawyers he would have resigned if he thought he had witnessed the president committing a crime. the source tell nbc, there s no way of knowing how his testimony may fit with any other evidence that the mueller investigation has collected. the mystery, the secret heroism keeps growing by the hour. there are a few lumps in the ointment though. hold that thought. my dad- he always gave me two pieces of advice. one was to 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dean s statement and the implication was that he has a lot of unspilled beans the spill if he is forced to spill them. the white house s comment, nobody is trying the make anybody a scapegoat. we re just trying to get to the truthful he made his statement without notifying anybody at the white house in advance and the white house was obviously shocked. the press secretary asked if dean is stale mental in good standing of the white house team would say only that he is in his office. he has not resigned. he has not been fired. this could be the case for some time to come but it is clear that from now on, john dean is white house counsel in name only. nbc news at the white house. 11 days after that warning shot from then white house counsel john dean, president richard nixon fired him. and nixon s supporters immediately began pointing to john dean as the person who everybody should blame for the whole watergate scandal and the whole cover-up. it should all be on dean s head. not the 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involved, that he did not realize or appreciate at any time the implications of his involvement. and i think that when the facts come out, i hope the president is forgiven. john dean followed that assertion with a 245 page statement that took all day to read, crammed with quotes, dates, memoranda and detailed recollections of talks with the president. a 245 page statement that he read outloud. nixon s white house counsel john dean had decided early on in the watergate scandal that nixon was going to try to make him the scapegoat. once he figured that out, he made 180 degree turn. he went straight to federal prosecutors. he told them he would cooperate with them fully. by the time nixon fired john dean from the white house counsel s job, dean had already for weeks been helping prosecutors on watergate. so with this new reporting over the past couple of days that the current white house counsel has spoken for 30 hours with special counsel robert mueller, the president now is literally launching a new attack on john dean saying that dean was a rat for testifying against nixon back in the day. but the current white house counsel john mcgahn is in here of dean s legacy. he says he s determined to not have john dean s fate. he was prohibited from practicing law. that is what compelled him to cooperate with robert mueller. that s become the blueprint for this dynamic we have been watching unfold. is the white house counsel right to worry about john dean s fate? will testifying now help him avoid that fate? and is the president right to be concerned about rats? joining us now the nbc news presidential historian. it is great to have you with us tonight? thanks, rachel. good to see you. the president today called john dean a rat. when dean came forward in 1973, what did nixon supporters do in response? how was he treated at the time? well, when he testified before the senate, as you were just showing and said that nixon was central to the coverup, a lot of nixon people were very angry. but what amazes me, rachel, is that if we were to talk to any president from gerald ford all the way through barack obama and say what do you think of john dean? they would have said a flawed person but ultimately a hero of watergate because he helped to expose richard nixon. this is another sign of this weird time we re living through that the current president, donald trump, was use a word like rat. one of the things we re watching unspool now in this story is that nobody is quite sure whether or not don mcgahn acted heroically or whether he had to talk to the special counsel. did john dean at white house counsel have a choice in terms of whether he was going to cooperate? he worried he was going to get blamed and this was his effort to get out ahead of it. but how much of a choice did he have? in the end probably not much. you were so right tonight to say be very cautious about what we re hearing from the outside. in dean s case he knew he was central to the coverup. he knew nixon was trying to make him the scapegoat and blame watergate on him. when dean started talking to people in the legal process, he did two things that ultimately were crucial. number one, he gave them information that showed that not only should they be investigating the watergate break-in, which is what they had been focussed on, but they should also look at nixon in terms of obstruction of justice that shifted the investigation. ultimately, obstruction of justice was article number one of the bills of impeachment that would have been voted against nixon. the other thing dean did was he said when i was talking to nixon nixon would say things like, well, i didn t do such and such, did i, john? it sounded as maybe i was being taped. that caused them to be aware of the possibility that there would be tapes that would show the real story. dean s recollections about the way nixon talked to him was a signal essentially to investigators that there were tapes they should look for. they were looking very hard and finally, alexander butterfield knew about that, was approached by investigators for the senate watergate committee. he was the one that revealed those tapes to the public. ultimately, they brought nixon down. thank you, my friend. great to have you here. thank you. be well. thank you. stay with us. 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