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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151208:06:03:00

they radicalized. maybe there's not a by whom. remember, oftentimes it's on the internet. >> in his oval office address last night in reaction to the massacre in san bernardino, president obama continued to stress that protecting the united states from isis attacks at home meant fighting isis on the ground in iraq and syria. >> we will continue to provide training and equipment to tens of thousands of iraqi and syrian forces fighting isil on the ground so that we take away their safe havens. in both countries we're deploying special operation forces who can accelerate that offensive. we've stepped up this effort since the attacks in paris and will continue to invest more in approaches that are working on the ground. >> we're joined now by lieutenant colonel anthony schaeffer, senior fellow with the london center for policy research. served as intelligence officer in the u.s. army. and jeremy bash, former chief of staff for leon panetta. and hassan hassan, co-author of "isis: inside the army of terror."

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151208:03:11:00

the war of ideas. get on top of that. work with people like president al sisi of egypt as an ally in this war and work to find a way to go back at these extremists with -- and war of ideas. third, we have to take back the terrain. president obama should have said we're going to double down and try to bring back gav nance to those ungoverned spaces. lawrence, ungov verbed spaces are the magnet for this sort of thing so we have to do all three of those things. i wish the president would have been clearer to give the pentagon more authority to get ahead of isis and we're not doing that yet. >> jeremy bash, what would you add to what you would recommend? >> i think colonel schaeffer illuminated some important points and i would also add, i think we probably need more forces on the ground in iraq in syria. 50 special operations in syria is not a lot. 250 special operation forces in iraq is not a lot. now, of course, the president is right, a ground force, ground operations, that's not what we wanton engaged in.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151208:06:11:00

third, we have to take back the terrain. president obama should have said we're going to double down and try to bring back governance to those ungoverned spaces. lawrence, ungoverned spaces are the magnet for this sort of thing so we have to do all three of those things. i wish the president would have been clearer to give the pentagon more authority to get ahead of isis and we're not doing that yet. >> jeremy bash, what would you add to what you would recommend? >> i think colonel schaeffer illuminated some important points and i would also add, i think we probably need more forces on the ground in iraq and syria. 50 special operations in syria is not a lot. 250 special operation forces in iraq is not a lot. now, of course, the president is right, a ground force, ground operations, that's not what we wanton engaged in. at least we don't want american troops to be doing that. we probably need several hundred, maybe a couple thousand to comprise a task force that

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