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have to confront these legal challenges that have been looming over him. things might start to move. what do you see that we've seen this in a few recent elections to be they congressional midterm more general election primary voters and general voters are very different, right? >> you have these loyalists and primary voters who are going to back the former president, almost no matter what. but we have polling. we talked to focus groups where voters who are outside of the base say, if he's convicted, i'm not sure that i'm going to back him. and now we're getting close so to that possibly happening. and we also see more voters paying attention now and being reminded of what happened during the trump presidency. and they're deciding, i don't know if i want to go back to this. >> did you have a sense that what unfolded last week actually started to break through with people. i mean, the other piece of this and thank here's some members of republican members of congress. we should say defenders have donald trump allude to this, but they will say that like voters don't distinguish and sarah longwell, who's, who's on with us at regularly. she talks to trump voters as well.

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The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle

this that has gone public that's had no technology, no offerings, no management. there is nothing there. if people are choosing to take their money to buy into the maga dream, sorry boys and girls. >> i was part of the problem only for a day or two. now this week, it has rebounded a bit. is there a potential? >> why do you think it's rebounded? because he's in the news? >> there's a bunch of technical reasons. we'll see where this thing ultimately goes. but whether it's from trump's stock or trump's bibles or trump's sneakers, if there's a market for it and these people want to buy it, why would they be victims? >> it's remarkable for me the stock has not performed more successfully. where are the millions of trump loyalists buying these shares? they're not there. >> because they're not in the market.

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The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle

this that has gone public with no technology, no offerings, no management. there is nothing there. if people are choosing to take their money to buy into the maga dream. >> i was part of the problem but only for a day or two but now it has rebounded a little bit. is there potential he will get his fans buying? >> why do you think it has rebounded, because he is in the news? >> there are a couple technical reasons. we will see where this ultimately goes. but if it is his bibles, his sneakers, if there is a market for it and people want to buy it, why would they be victims? >> it is remarkable to me that the stock has not performed were successfully. it had a couple good days, but where are the millions of loyalists buying these shares. >> they are not in the market. >> the other reason is, you are seeing so few, you're seeing so

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The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle

to. there's a lot of fear and trepidation, amongst civilians. we've seen plenty of that this week, and multiple funerals, a day, since the weekend, mainly of hezbollah fighters and certainly, the rhetoric from hezbollah, up till now , the overnights, has been very stoic, very determined. we went to one of the funerals of their fighters yesterday, surrounded by hezbollah fighters and loyalists, and supporters, the whole town came out, thousands of people, many of whom did not know the fighter , but to demonstrate loyalty and support for whatever they are doing. we must remember that in lebanon, hezbollah is very strong, embedded in the political, economic, and social society . it's got a military

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The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle

and so having these loyalists is not going to produce good governance. because authoritarians are not interested in governance, they are interested in total control, interning a public office into a source of private profit. trump already did a lot of that. he tried that the first time. so this is the kind of giant bureaucratic machine that is already activated to make sure that they can hit the ground running. lastly, that disturbs me that they keep talking about ready to go on day one. there is going to be a lot of chaos if they even try to abolish these major departments like commerce. what is that going to do to business? do they think trump will be great for business? ask them what they think about abolishing the department of commerce. >> business leaders are risk managers. they do not want chaos, they want predictability. they watcom. project 2025 is the opposite of that. we urge people to familiarize

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The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle

they have a presidential administration academy. this is done as though they will come back to power and in fact the prime minister of hungary did not see biden, he went to kiss the ring of trump and that he went to the heritage foundation so it is like a shadow autocratic government waiting to spring into action. >> what do we need to know? how would this plan fundamentally change the government? >> what trump is trying to do is remove and target the guardrails that prevented his worst impulses in his first term. what we have here is the disparaging of civil servants doing their day to day job and he wants to install loyalists and break agencies under the umbrella of the executive branch so we are talking about

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>> there is a tone of arrogance really that they thought they could write this down, go into a room, and send it out. personally i've been doing a lot of reporting on it. it really just goes to this idea that trump has that he is going to be in this desperate state. right now, he is literally on trial. criminal, hush money trial, as we speak. essentially, they are putting this out there because they think they are smarter than the american people. they think they can put this out here and really rile up the base and get that base corralled around them. they are basically putting out a call because as ruth said, they have already, as we speak, trained and screened ideologically these ideologues, these magna loyalists so that they, as kevin roberts said, can institutionalize trumpism. that is the plan and it is

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government structures and personnel to support autocracy. one of the most scary things if you study what i do is a quote that says there is a existential need to aggressively use the vast powers of the executive. that does not sound like democracy with the executive branch is checked, again it says it is a existential need that we must do it or the republic will perish. the fact that this is going on is not normal. you have transition teams that activate after a election. we are before the election and there are 100 organizations under the umbrella of the heritage foundation, thousands of people already being vetted to be trump loyalists to be civil service personnel and

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heritage foundation. thousandsupon thousands of people already being vetted to be trump loyalists to be civil service personnel. and they have a presidential administration academy. so this is done with, as though they expect they will come back to power. and indeed, viktor orban just visited the states. and he didn't go see president biden. he went to kiss the ring of trump and then to the heritage foundation. so it is there like a shadow autocratic government waiting to spring into action. >> what do we need to know? how will this plan fundamentally change the federal government? >> what trump is trying to do is remove and target all the guardrails that prevented his worse impulses in his first term. what we have here is like ruth outlined here, this purging of civil servants that are doing just their day-to-day job and he wants to install these

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loyalists and then bring agencies under the umbrella of the executive branch. we are talking about shutting down the fbi. entirely. we are talking about defunding the doj. we are talking about eliminating the department of commerce. bringing the ftc and fcc under the executive branch. and for a president who has already been targeting journalists rhetorically, for him to come and now take these other agencies under the executive branch under the unitarian executive theory, it >> here is what is amazing, though. this plan is not secret. this is a publicly available documents. what does that tell you, ahmed, about these plans?

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