And what i try to explain to my colleagues is that time has come to bring nato in reality, to make nato match reality of the 2023 because. well, the reality if i may interrupt the reality of 2023 is that you have a hot war on your territory with a nuclear armed power, russia. in that context, it is quite clear many nato members think there is no possibility of an early entry of ukraine into nato. to quote two 0laf scholz, chancellor of germany, nato membership will not happen in the foreseeable future. he said that last month. just a few days ago, peter szijjarto, the foreign minister of hungary, said, look, we must speak clearly. the accession of a country at war must not be on nato s agenda. i very rarely agree with the assessment of the war by peter, but we are not seeking membership during the war.
The reality is putin does not need reasons to escalate. he does not escalate in response to something. he escalates when he believes this is the right thing to do. and we should drop this logic. we should provide ukraine with everything that it needs to win, to expel russia from its territory so that they will not be in control of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, for example, or they will not be controlling the territories where they mine dams and commit atrocities. people have to understand that this is the only way forward. politicians in washington and in london, in paris, in berlin, in all other capitals, they have to put it at the very foundation of their policy. but don t you. i mean, don t you have to also be mindful that there are legitimate fears in western capitals of the very fact that vladimir putin possesses the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world? that s the truth. you can t change it. yes, but you somehow.
What we seek is a clear and strong message that this membership will happen once conditions allow. and this is key here, because the last time nato said anything on ukraine s membership was in 2008, a couple of months before russia invaded georgia. nato is. ..exists in a completely different reality when it comes to the prospect of ukrainian membership. so what we want is the invitation. we want to have a clear message that, guys, you are on the path. you are the strongest army able to defend eastern flank. and, by the way, if i was which is not going to happen but if i was german chancellor, i would be welcoming ukraine s accession to nato because ukraine will take a good part of the burden that germany is now carrying in defending eastern flank on its own shoulders.
Systems because this will lead to escalation. we cannot give you that because this will lead to escalation. the reality is putin does not need reasons to escalate. he does not escalate in response to something. he escalates when he believes this is the right thing to do. and we should drop this logic. we should provide ukraine with everything that it needs to win, to expel russia from its territory so that they will not be in control of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, for example, or they will not be controlling the territories where they mine dams and commit atrocities. people have to understand that this is the only way forward. politicians in washington and in london, in paris, in berlin, in all other capitals, they have to put it at the very foundation of their policy. but don t you. i mean, don t you have to also be mindful that there are legitimate fears in western capitals of the very fact that vladimir putin possesses the largest arsenal of nuclear
I ve had so far. ..nato was the key issue. and what i try to explain to my colleagues is that time has come to bring nato in reality, to make nato match reality of the 2023 because. well, the reality, if i may interrupt, the reality of 2023 is that you have a hot war on your territory with a nuclear armed power, russia. in that context, it is quite clear many nato members think there is no possibility of an early entry of ukraine into nato. to quote two 0laf scholz, chancellor of germany, nato membership will not happen in the foreseeable future. he said that last month. just a few days ago, peter szijjarto, the foreign minister of hungary, said, look, we must speak clearly. the accession of a country at war must not be on nato s agenda. i very rarely agree with the assessment of the war
By peter, but we are not seeking membership during the war. what we seek is a clear and strong message that this membership will happen once conditions allow. and this is key here, because the last time nato said anything on ukraine s membership was in 2008, a couple of months before russia invaded georgia. nato is. exists in a completely different reality when it comes to the prospect of ukrainian membership. so what we want is the invitation. we want to have a clear message that, guys, you are on the path. you are the strongest army able to defend eastern flank. and, by the way, if i was which is not going to happen but if i was german chancellor, i would be welcoming ukraine s accession to nato because ukraine will take a good part of the burden that germany is now carrying
All the conversations i ve had so far. ..nato was the key issue. and what i try to explain to my colleagues is that time has come to bring nato in reality, to make nato match reality of the 2023 because. well, the reality if i may interrupt the reality of 2023 is that you have a hot war on your territory with a nuclear armed power, russia. in that context, it is quite clear many nato members think there is no possibility of an early entry of ukraine into nato. to quote two 0laf scholz, chancellor of germany, nato membership will not happen in the foreseeable future. he said that last month. just a few days ago, peter szijjarto, the foreign minister of hungary, said, look, we must speak clearly. the accession of a country
At war must not be on nato s agenda. i very rarely agree with the assessment of the war by peter, but we are not seeking membership during the war. what we seek is a clear and strong message that this membership will happen once conditions allow. and this is key here, because the last time nato said anything on ukraine s membership was in 2008, a couple of months before russia invaded georgia. nato is. ..exists in a completely different reality when it comes to the prospect of ukrainian membership. so what we want is the invitation. we want to have a clear message that, guys, you are on the path. you are the strongest army able to defend eastern flank. and, by the way, if i was which is not going to happen but if i was german chancellor,
Systems because this will lead to escalation. we cannot give you that because this will lead to escalation. the reality is putin does not need reasons to escalate. he does not escalate in response to something. he escalates when he believes this is the right thing to do. and we should drop this logic. we should provide ukraine with everything that it needs to win, to expel russia from its territory so that they will not be in control of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, for example, or they will not be controlling the territories where they mine dams and commit atrocities. people have to understand that this is the only way forward. politicians in washington and in london, in paris, in berlin, in all other capitals, they have to put it at the very foundation of their policy. but don t you. i mean, don t you have to also be mindful that there are legitimate fears in western capitals of the very fact that vladimir putin possesses
And today in london, all the conversations i ve had so far. ..nato was the key issue. and what i try to explain to my colleagues is that time has come to bring nato in reality, to make nato match reality of the 2023 because. well, the reality, if i may interrupt, the reality of 2023 is that you have a hot war on your territory with a nuclear armed power, russia. in that context, it is quite clear many nato members think there is no possibility of an early entry of ukraine into nato. to quote two 0laf scholz, chancellor of germany, nato membership will not happen in the foreseeable future. he said that last month. just a few days ago, peter szijjarto, the foreign minister of hungary, said, look, we must speak clearly. the accession of a country at war