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Said that folks who have -- in lay terms, the people who had covid were treated the same as vaccinated. kathryn, if you can put that map up of the world, i want to show it. if you look at the research and we saw how many european nations, the european union, the vatican treat you the same, but the united states does not. i don't understand the disconnect. can you state anything further on that? why are we not doing it -- and who has the right idea, us or them? >> i actually think europe does because you can't discount natural immunity. where you're in the state of the data where you're in a ge...

But you can't faint or shade shootings and murders. in new york they've been spiking. you may have seen short-term declines but it's an issue on the front burner of people's minds and public safety is fundamental to people's quality of life. you don't have that everything else falls apart. >> absolutely. very true. because listen, during the pandemic it was the crime was terrible. i'll get to atlanta. can we take that down? i'm not done with this part yet. so -- thank you very much. during covid, during 2020 it was high. as you said it's going back down. and it is still not great. and also i k...

Everything else falls apart. >> very true. listen, during the pandemic, the crime was terrible. i'll get to atlanta. don't take that down. i'm not done with this part yet. thank you very much. so when -- you know, during covid, during 2020 it was high. as you said, it's going back down and it's still not great and also, i know people who were mugged and hadn't been mugged in -- hadn't been mugged in decades. so it's something very important to the people here in new york but i had been watching something like new york city does not look like the hell hole they're portraying it to be. >> no, we...

The ground in kabul at a hamed karzai airport that resulted in the death of 13 sailors and marines and more than 100 civilians on august 26. also with a substantial body of intelligence indicating the immense of another attack, in the 48 hours prior to the strike, sensitive intelligence indicated that the compound at point number 1 on the map -- let's bring the map up, please. we're going to bring this up. hopefully you have an opportunity to see it. john, can you see the map there? john, can you hear me now? >> the press has hard copies.

0 ahead of that messaging before the science had before that regulators were on the same page with them. >> john: , and on the immigration front, the mayor of del rio, texas, is on the extraordinary pictures. they declared a state of emergency in his town. thanks for being with us on this friday >> martha: thanks, john and jacqui. a lot of breaking news. i'm martha maccallum in new york. any moment now, there you can see the podium is set up at the pentagon. a huge development breaking right now as we are told that officials are about to announce that no isis-k fighters were killed in the augu...