To stop this and more im joined by my guest to meet me bob its in moscow he is a political analyst and editor of you know just me internet project and in court we have Geoffrey Robertson he is americas professor of history at University College cork and a member of the Royal Irish Academy his latest book is churchill and stalin comrades in arms during the 2nd world war are gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want house appreciate it or i let me 1st go to a demon here in moscow you know dma here we go again this is almost like our tradition with our calling jeffrey we do this every single year commemorating victory in europe over fascism and for every single year that we do it we find ourselves in more and more in a revisionist mode here i mean as i understand as were sitting down doing our chat right now is it facebook has. And a colorized version of the of the soviet banner over europe the very very iconic one of showing victory in europe and you