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brutal heatwave bakes the south. derek van dam has the forecast. tell us, how long is this heatwave really expected to last? >> well, it is definitely here today and tomorrow, but there is relief in store. look at the scope and magnitude of this heat alert across the central u.s. this stretches from louisiana all the way to minnesota, west virginia, westward toward the dakotas. this is covering over 110 million americans. and over 20 states impacted by this impressive heatwave. and by the way, places like chicago and indianapolis, you may reach 100 degrees for the first time in over a decade, that kind of puts it into perspective how serious and the scope of this heatwave actually is. so going forward, we have the potential for 400 record highs and record maximum minimum temperatures overnight. record low temperatures overnight i should say. record low maximums. a tough one. 110 degrees, that is what it feels like as you step outside

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Anderson Cooper 360

this includes conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, which is a maximum of 20 years, obstruction of an official proceeding, maximum of 20 years, conspiracy against rights, meaning his ability or his attempt to take away the voting rights or the rights of individuals to have their votes counted. that's ten years. that's a maxf 50 years of those k three charges out of four. is that normal to give all the charges and the maximum sentence? >> it is standard to provide the defendant with as much notice as possible so they know the full cope of their actual charges. note of course also she asked him his age. he stated it. if you were to do arithmetic on that, if the maximum were in fact imposed, it's really a life sentence for this particular individual. >> 77. >> 77 years old. but i will say that it is highly unlikely that any of those maximums would normally be reached, although this is a judge who in the course of trying and overseeing different

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Anderson Cooper 360

stated. if you look arithmetic on that, the idea that if the maximum were imposed, it's really a life sentence for this particular individual. >> 77 years old. >> but i will say that it is highly unlikely that any a does maximums would normally be reached, although this is a judge who in the course of trying and overseen different cases that the january six court proceedings, she has gone above even where prosecutors have recommended. she has been very clear and firm about the gravity assigned to these charges, and these are very serious charges against anyone, let alone for the president at the united states. by providing that notice, it's a kind of due process. by the way, it's shocking to many people to hear that, but this is the experience of most defendants in courtrooms, where they are not confronted with the reality that they are now on the other side at the united states -- >> andrew mccabe, there's been a lot of talk today about how dominant is being treated as of this would in the justice

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The Lead With Jake Tapper

came in through these very hallways. and just the location of it is obviously trump is complaining about the venue and why he thinks he can't get a fair trial. he obviously has seen how many of those convictions have happened and how important it was to the justice department. >> absolutely. many people have been sentenced to jail time. and judge chutkin, who will oversee the case, has statistically handed some of the more serious punishments to people. at least nine times she's gone beyond what prosecutors were recommending. right now the magistrate judge, not only is she reading the charges that have been filed against the former president, she's also informing him of the maximum sentence. a reminder that conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, a maximum of 20 years. obstruction of an official proceeding, 20 years. conspiracy against rights, ten years. now these are, of course, maximums. it's a very complicated formula, as you know, in terms of the ultimate sentence. but it is a reminder of the severity of the charges that he is facing. now she is informing him that he

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All In With Chris Hayes

i think what it shows is, jack smith does not bluff. there are some downsides to him to bringing it now. i think they came to him and said look, we've got to with all of these false statements, we've got you making these other obstructive acts, so you better cooperate, and if you say no, we're bringing charges, and we're bringing them quickly. and he said no, and they are bringing them quickly. he is someone who is hard to understand why he wouldn't be cooperating against both nauta and trump. he >> has so much to lose here. joyce, what are your thoughts? clearly they want him to slip. do you think he's a likely candidate for that? what should we be watching for? >> i think harry is dead on the money here. your question points that out. this is a defendant who has almost no choice but to flip. he is looking at charges that have 20-year maximums, although that's not the world real world sentencing. he's looking at spending a big

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All In With Chris Hayes

he is someone who is hard to understand why he wouldn't be cooperating against both nauta and trump. he >> has so much to lose here. joyce, what are your thoughts? clearly they want him to slip. do you think he's a likely candidate for that? what should we be watching for? >> i think harry is dead on the money here. your question points that out. this is a defendant who has almost no choice but to flip. he is looking at charges that have 20-year maximums, although that's not the world real world sentencing. he's looking at spending a big chunk of time in prison if he goes forward. it's the final charge against him. this charge where he goes in and talks to agents. they actually visit him in his home. they tell him that he is free to end the interview at any point. and then he just lies to them

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Morning Joe

donate back to them. doug burgum was giving out gift cards for voters to vote for him. pence has a little more time to do it, and he better start tonight. >> nbc news national politics reporter jonathan allen, our thank you gift card en route to you. appreciate you being with us this morning. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" on this friday morning and all week long. "morning joe" starts right now. he is looking at charges with 20 year maximums, even though that's not the real world sentencing. he is looking at spending a big chunk of time in prison if he goes forward. they have him down to center if he does not cooperate. what do they get if they does cooperate? he is putting trump front and center in this scheme to obstruct. >> that is former u.s. attorney joyce vance describing the legal

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All In With Chris Hayes

because he is president again. at some point, this could become very dangerous. america in 2025 could be entirely different place than it is today. >> it is, and i think americans have to -- it's very hard because it's always different in every case, however, in my book strongman, which is 100 years of people going through this, no one's ever prepared. they think that they'll be the exception, and they don't listen to warning signs until it's too late, which is why when i talk so much -- >> these are the warning signs. we are yelling them from the rooftops. >> yes, he's being very clear, and one of my maximums from studying to stuff is that authoritarians always tell them what they will do, as a kind of challenge, and as a warning. people don't listen until it's too late. >> there is no particular benefit detecting to when he becomes president, this will not happen. we could have spent four years thinking that once he became president, he'll become more presidential. he's biscotasing on himself. >> he'll finish the job that he

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All In With Chris Hayes

again because you control the government. >> so what happens now. it's not out of the realm of possibility that the trial gets delayed or takes too long, that donald trump gets elected for the end of the trial, or that the trial does not have been? you know, donald trump, you cannot prosecute when president, now he does not want you to prosecute him because he's busy running for president. then he won't be prosecuted because he is president again. at some point, this could become very dangerous. america in 2025 could be entirely different place than it is today. >> it is, and i think americans have to -- it's very hard because it's always different in every case, however, in my book strongman, which is 100 years of people going through this, no one's ever prepared. they think that they'll be the exception, and they don't listen to warning signs until it's too late, which is why when i talk so much -- >> these are the warning signs. we are yelling them from the rooftops. >> yes, he's being very clear, and one of my maximums from studying to stuff is that authoritarians always tell them what they will do, as a kind of

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The Lead With Jake Tapper

sherwin? >> sure. hold on one sec, we are having an issue with your microphone, let me go to you elie, not your fault, michael. what do you think, elie, how likely is this? >> i pulled out the old federal sentencing guidelines and i arrived at the same number mr. sloman did. if you run the numbers here, it's not going to be a 400 year case. forget about the maximums, it comes out to 8 to 12 years depending on some of the wrinkles. now, the federal sentencing guide lines are not mandatory, so the judge has to consult with them, they're quite influential, and i think it's likely that a judge would go down from that number, but i don't see any universe where if this case results in a conviction of donald trump where a judge sentences him to something short of prison. it's possible, but i think even if a judge gives him a break, you're still looking at prison. >> really, you think he'd go to prison? >> i do. and i think it's a huge difference between this and the manhattan case. in manhattan, even if donald trump is convicted of all 31

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