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Republican lawmakers, some right-wing media, and mike pence was part of that apparatus, too. so it's very con nfounding to watch him deflect and act as if this was an event in history that he was removed from. >> it was a media problem. >> what isn't, really, today? i mean, if you ask a republican, it's all our fault. we've done it all. >> when all else fails, at attacking the media is the easiest thing for these guys p. obviously, pence has no other way to explain this away, so he pift pivots in the interview with hannity. hannity is used to attacking the press, and they both seem to use that...

Head, just use common sense. >> that's damaging. >> "the washington post" and others should the journalists that work for your newspapers, "the new york times" use the words racist and liar when talking to president trump when clear evidence he does do those things. >> we should and do. it is not for the purpose of name call but it is an accurate label. it is parallel being in the position of defending the media. things have improved dramatically since the 2016 elections in terms of how we are covering donald trump's lies. as gabe alluded there, it is less of a media problem than a fox news pr...

Experience in oil, gas, energy, you get paid millions of dollars, and in china it's even better, you fly in with the air force two and you get the $1.5 billion in private equity with "whitey" bulger's nephew and john kerry's stepson -- >> they would totally let me do that. if i went to china and did that, sean, and came back with $1.05 -- not 1.5 billion. $1.05, we would solve the media problem. their heads would explode, they would be no fake news media left. that's how bad it would be. the whole thing is ridiculous, sean. whether it's the biden scandal beyond that, look at the stuff going on...

You get paid millions of dollars, and in china it's even better, you fly in with the air force two and you get the $1.5 billion in private equity with "whitey" bulger's nephew and john kerry's stepson -- >> they would totally let me do that. if i went to china and did that, sean, and came back with $1.05 -- not 1.5 billion. $1.05, we would solve the media problem. their heads would explode, they would be no fake news media left. that's how bad it would be. h the whole thing is ridiculous, sean. whether it's the biden scandal beyond that, look at the stuff going on in the personal lives. do you...

Caucus. nasty things are thrown around. speaker pelosi understands how washington works. she's not a racist. and she's a trail blazer in her own right, so i think aoc is way out of line. >> dana: jerry, how do you think the speaker should deal with this? >> she's dealing with something new, really, isn't she? this is what they call on capitol hill a member management issue for the speaker. it's traditional that freshman members give the leadership a lot of trouble. they usually do and it's usually controllable because the leadership has the mega phone and microphone and can still dominate the ...