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justice department to say they had found some classified documents from his vp days at his indiana home, and he says he that takes full responsibility. so another special counsel? are we in danger can of running out of them? no, the media reaction has been very different just as joe biden's discovery of one batch after another of classified material cast what donald trump did in a different light, the pence administration seemed to take the edge off biden's actions. ah, maybe this is a systemic problem. maybe a lot of this material is overclassified, maybe it's easy to misplace. mayb...

Conventional media wisdom has turned on its head, and maybe the problem is there are too many classified documents floating around, and we can't investigate everybody who stuffs something in the wrong closet. >> i will agree with will on, like, four words or who sentences -- [laughter] and that would be that i think everybody's saying, look, the system doesn't work, obviously, because i think we all know that most likely former president trump, former vice president pence, current president biden weren't schlepping boxes on their own. there were people that did this, and there was a process, a...

Losers. fools. george will and charles, two people he went after because they criticized him, they are pulitzer prize winners. >> i'm sure it would up my twitter following but we should never call anybody names and journalists who cover him should try to cover him fairly no matter what he says. we get called bad names all the time. >> bashing individuals is different. >> i think he's free to do if he doesn't like what somebody did. it also you were alluding to this, it plays into -- he knows that in itself will generate coverage and journalists will respond some of them and it's more and more ...

Losers. fools. george will and charles, two people he went after because they criticized him, they are pulitzer prize winners. >> i'm sure it would up my twitter following but we should never call anybody names and journalists who cover him should try to cover him fairly no matter what he says. we get called bad names all the time. >> bashing individuals is different. >> i think he's free to do if he doesn't like what somebody did. it also you were alluding to this, it plays into -- he knows that in itself will generate coverage and journalists will respond some of them and it's more and more ...

Time this clown opens his mouth. >> are the media helping to create the trump phenomenon? joining us are craig crawford from cq roll call, mark mckin nonfrom the daily beast and former adviser to george bush. and in chicago, lynn sweet, washington bureau chief for chicago sun times. is it possible the media wisdom is wrong, that i'm wrong and that trump will run and be formidable? >> you titled your own book "media circus." you mentioned ross perot. he proved there is room for a populist plutocrat. he was an independent candidate. >> mark, i wonder whether you would agree. we looked at the pol...