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They're spending a ton. also interesting that the attacks on immigration, unemployment is low, the republican tax cut they say is a success, but they're trying to drive out base turnout by putting immigration front and center. >> because it wasn't working. if you look at the early ads, it was about the economy. apparently it wasn't resonating with people. they're also message testing. they're looking at the rest of the map and seeing if this immigration play will work because they just kind of using him as candidate tofu and seeing -- if you put him in that -- i don't know where to go with tha...

We'll have open borders and higher taxes. >> i'll work with president trump and congressional democrats if folks will sit down and be serious and commit to rebuilding this country. >> to your point about message testing, it will be interesting in a heavily republican district if you can't make nancy pelosi the boogie woman. will we keep seeing that through november? do the republicans have anything else? >> we've seen this over and over again. republicans have been pretty successful with this nancy pelosi messaging. we've seen this for years at this point. republican voters know well when they...

Fraud. so he's trotting that out. you tell me, he starts with a conclusion and hopes that evidence at some point presents itself. >> he almost always starts with coop collusion and hopes evidence will eventually present itself because this is what it will be. this is where it gets difficult, he often -- yes, he is often confused. he often doesn't know the facts as he's talking. he just talks. but he also is a lot more cognizant than sometimes his own staff likes to give him credit for. and so something like i'm testing out the word spy because it sounds sinister, that's pretty cynical for a pr...

However, let's test your credibility. i want to give you the opportunity to stand by what you submit. the criticism is this was 2014. you were there. you weren't there during any process of the campaign. how could you know what was done or not done that was right or wrong? fair criticism? >> well, let me just make it clear. i haven't claimed to know definitively what happened in the 2016 cycle. i didn't work on the trump campaign and i haven't made any of those claims. what i have provided is the evidence of what i saw during the creation and foundation of this country and also the general str...

Profiling, revealing the fact that have a massed this large data set on on americans and made it known to a company that had has formal information sharing agreements with the fsb. when you look at some of the message testing. >> you're talking about when bannon was testing out in terms on of softening up core support for their opponents. >> it is where you look at different issues you may want to run on on in the campaign and you test the response and you figure out who is interested in it and who isn't. some of the message testing that cambridge analytica did before the 2016 election involve...