however, let's test your credibility. i want to give you the opportunity to stand by what you submit. the criticism is this was 2014. you were there. you weren't there during any process of the campaign. how could you know what was done or not done that was right or wrong? fair criticism? >> well, let me just make it clear. i haven't claimed to know definitively what happened in the 2016 cycle. i didn't work on the trump campaign and i haven't made any of those claims. what i have provided is the evidence of what i saw during the creation and foundation of this country and also the general strategy that this company embarked on. and when you look at some of the message testing that was done, a lot of the narratives were things that were being test this company in 2014. >> as you may have come to learn, the research and message testing is not unusual in political campaigns. it is part of the practice of political signs to figure out