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Years his lib wall supporters giving him criticism because of him saying things like that and because of the government's decision to prosecute him. the other thing to go to your point, the government's role here is in part to send a message to anyone else considering doing something like this. >> it's huge. you can't leave that out of this. it's particularly poignant with the edward snowden case. the president has said that bradley manning broke the law. he's not going to change his view on that. i'd be very surprised if he pardons him. he's put up with the criticism on the left including dur...

0 felt, although it wasn't democratic, i think is a good thing. by the way, nobody thinks mubarak will be restored to power at 85 years old. it is the previous regime rolling itself back into egyptian politics. >> i want to talk about the serious imagines coming out of syria. death toll is said to be staggering there. nbc news has not confirmed this video but nbc news has been talking with a rebel spokesperson about it. what do we know? >> reporter: i've spoken to several rebels who are inside these affected areas. this is not just one video but dozens of videos. in fact, there are probably mo...

0 public debate on afghanistan. >> these war logs were followed by the publication of the iraq war logs. in october 2010 and the release of 250,000 state department cables the following month. in sum, manning's leaks constituted the largest security breach in u.s. history but they also constituted something else, the most comprehensive evidentiary trove of evidence of u.s. led wars in iraq and afghanistan. >> joining me, curt anderson and white house correspondent for the "wall street journal", karen lee. and also attorney for wikileaks and julian assange, michael ratner. michael, i'd like to ...

Justice system is about maintaining good order and discipline. bradley manning violated his oath of office. he was sent to iraq to defend the national interests, not to define the national interests. the first cable that bradley manning sent to julian assange involved something called ice save. it was a dispute among great britain, netherlands and iceland. bradley manning from his foxhole in iraq decided that the secretary of treasury had it wrong in u.s. policy regarding this issue and was wrong. i don't know what qualifies bradley manning to make that judgment. i'm not aware that he has a si...

A lot of people would argue the other side of that. >> one thing that bradley manning did was he didn't leak documents on a given one of these things, you know, that michael just went through was a major dump that had what some people depending where they sit, good leaks and bad leaks. to me, it's very troubling that he would be prosecuted under the espionage act even though he was let off on the aiding and abetting the enemy, which i thought was ridiculous, is this really espionage. if you look at the washington post, they have a great chart this morning, 20 odd different counts. michael i'm ...