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election. once again in the spotlight, no one other than wisconsin's senator ron johnson. after the committee revealed on tuesday that one of his top staffers messaged an aide to vice president mike pence about johnson passing fake slates of trump electors for wisconsin and michigan to vice president mike pence by hand on january 6th. a pence aide promptly shut it down texting the johnson staffer this, quote. do not give that to him, end quote, but that attempted handoff still begs many questions like what did ron johnson know about the scheme to set up false electors which is under ...

York times" work correspond and ben rhodes former national security adviser to president obama. maya wiley, i start with you. in some ways this is the part of the scheme we've heard about for the longest because of bill barr's res statement that there was no fraud and now his taped deposition before the january 6th committee that he thought it was all bs. what are you looking for? what questions do you still have for these three doj officials? >> i have to tell you, nicolle, i don't have a lot of questions. what we know already is that from the lee leased emails and texts and the testimony cli...

Testimony from other trump white house staff explaining what mr. cipollone said and did including on january 6th. we think the american people deserve to hear from mr. cipollone personally. he should appear before this committee and we are working to secure his testimony. >> harry litman, his predecessor don mcgahn spent hours and hours with robert mueller. i think when there is a potential for criminal activity, is that something that you can shield with privilege claims? what is this about? >> you can try. so as white house counsel, he's in a position where you can try to say i have a specia...

Expecting to offend donald trump. they might get to the truth or admit some incriminating facts with donald trump. with some of the witnesses that we've seen, you didn't see the testimony where i was defending him. they took the one clip, being involve in a fablg fake lecher and that's skillful interrogation, extrookt the key elements and display hours and hours of interview where the person is defending the person. so i think that was in some ways showing the skills of the interrogators. >> i mean, i think this is one of the untold stories, harry litman that the depositions and the fact and c...

Isn't whether they were on his side. it's really that they finally hit a boundary. they finally hit a wall, and the wall was the peaceful transfer of power in our democracy. that is something that really has to be underscored here, that the issue here is not just what happened in the past, it's that what if we once again looked the other way, once again don't allow consequences or the bottom of the slope that we're at in our democracy just as we heard from the judge, this is our future, not just our past. >> this became clear last night, that one thing we're learning in all the testimony is wh...