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Somebody caught in the middle of it, and that does not excuse the person from the consequences. Professors, we have talked about abuse of power and bribery when we started, we said we would also discuss obstruction of congress. So i would like to ask you some questions about obstruction of congress. Professor gerhardt, in your view, is there enough evidence here to charge President Trump with a high crime and misdemeanor of obstruction of congress . I think that there is more than enough. As i mentioned in my statement, i just really underscore this. The third article of impeachment, approved ...

Were with papers were moved out of the mail storage room, after the subpoena, and then moved back into the storage room the day before the feds actually went in. and so it looks like they were trying to keep the secrets from the government. >> brian: according to all the leaks of jack smith's investigation. >> steve: we don't know where the leak came from, brian, but it's a significant charge. >> brian: why do we believe it? >> steve: i believe it. >> brian: we don't know where they came from. we don't know if any of it is true. a flood in the pool room and they had to move the stuff out. >> a...

Facing a challenge by trump and that maybe he will have to go off. it is fairly laborious to have two grand juries and only one will charge. you have to read in the grand jury. that is time-consuming. >> you are doing a lot of excellent reporting on this. how do you think trump and his team are reacting to the second grand jury down in florida? >> it is amazing how much of a shift there has been from trump's legal team. they initially believed it was more serious. then after pentz and biden became embroiled in their own document issues. they seem to think that they had and out. there is no way...

Would be and much stronger grounds. whereas, i think it and it's the classified, but no one knows i've done the, is incoherent terms of how the system works. it's all about the system but which the government protects information, closely hot, carries it in special packages, put it on special computers, popped up in special rooms. if no one knows it's been because of it, they will continue to stream it as closely. this could connect to something else that mark was saying which is putting aside the obstruction issue, which essentially agree, that the espionage act, which is the one about mishan...

Incoherent interms of how the system works. it's all about the system which the government protects information, closely hot, carries it in special packages, put it on special computers, popped up in special rooms. if no one knows it's been because of it, they will continue to stream it as closely. this could connect to something else that mark was saying which is putting aside the obstruction issue, which essentially, i agree, that the espionage act, which is the one about mishandling national defence information, does not speak to whether information is classified or not, because it was an a...