wbr id= wbr1200 /> at this. we go towards saturday night it s moved in a little bit. still a hurricane tomorrow night. and then it pulls back across the shore. that s monday morning. take a look. tuesday, here we go. wednesday, the exact same spot. potentially dealing with a hurricane still. that is five days of this kind of rain. that is why we are expecting to see some rainfall totals likely over 4 feet and that is going to cause massive problems in the region. tucker: what a shame. rick, thanks. we will talk to you again in a minute. steve harrigan is in corpus christi tonight right on the gulf of mexico. steve, what do you see? tucker, we have seen things get worse here each hour. this storm has strengthened dramatically. it s really caught a lot of people here by surprise. some of the people originally planning on riding it out decided at the last minute to make their evacuation. still the worst is yet to come in the next four to five hours. we have already heard from local police who have said that for the next few hours /b> wbr-id= wbr1800 /> they will not be answering emergency calls, the winds are simply too high to go out. can you see it is pretty much a ghost land around here right now. we have guests well into hurricane stage. we are not seeing any branches nap off from trees. we are not seeing structural damage to the building as of yet. that is likely to change in the coming hours. keep in mind what a category 4 storm means. it means large trees will be uprooted or snapped. there will be major damage to well-built homes. so we could see a lot of homes without roofs or exterior walls over the next 24 hours. this was still, perhaps, 30 inches of rain ahead. tucker, i m going to toss it back to you. tucker: steve harrigan i don t know how you keep talking in that be careful. my gosh. steve harrigan in texas. texas lieutenant governor dan patrick in houston. biggest population center in the path of this storm. lieutenant governor, thanks for joining us tonight. are you ready for this? we are ready for it although i will tell you, tucker, what makes this storm unusual is that it grew so big so fast. i mean, over last weekend i was down in galveston and it was sunny and it was looking like a tropical storm over the yucatan that would go into mexico and then a tropical storm even as late as monday or early tuesday. and then it turned into it ferocious storm now a category 4. but our state is ready. our local counties and our cities are as ready as they can be. but the size of the storm, tucker, as rick just said, covering an area houston to corpus, for example is about 200 miles. we will still have strong winds here and we will still have by the time this ends, potentially wednesday or nurse thursday over 30 inches of rain in houston. tucker: what does that mean for houston? houston is enormous spread out city. 30 inches of rain, what happens? we have tremendous flooding as we are very low wbr id= wbr3000 /> lieinlying city concrete. largest city in the country we will have a lot of flooding. we deal with that but, this will be unprecedented. we have neighborhoods that are never flooded before and levels we haven t seen. tucker, in this area of where the storm surge will be on the coast, there are over 225,000 homes. there is a company called core logic that has done an analysis that we could have close to $40 billion in damage. 232,000 hosms just along the coast. and then hundreds of thousands of homes in the area between the coast and san antonio and austin and houston. so you are looking at big try angle. areas as far away as waco, texas may have 40 mile-per-hour winds and 5 to 6 inches of rain. this is going to be unprecedented storm for the country and particularly texas. tucker, as you know, we are the center for refineries and oil and natural gas production. our refineries about 30 will be closed down. /b> wbr-id= wbr3600 /> about half of the petroleum oil refineries will be closed. natural gas will be shut down. so that will have a dramatic impact on the country. simply because the storm is not just going to go through as rick said. it s going to stay with us maybe until thursday, if you can imagine. tucker: that will effect energy prices as you suspect. you said this storm came out of the middle of nowhere. most people were not thinking about this storm four days ago. have you been able to evacuate those areas? are they gone. no, they are not. unfortunately those who day. we are very concerned about them. we don t want to send out first responders. there will be a window where you can t go and help people. we did have an evacuation in several counties around the coast, mandatory. others were voluntary. even i believe exrirps was corpus christi was voluntary. i was in the grocery store myself yesterday picking up water. people were coming up to me and saying dan, what s the water for? they weren t aware of the storm. this literally has come out of nowhere in about two days. so we are concerned about them. lock, we have our first responders, our police, our fire, our national guard, they are the best at water rescue, roof top rescue, tree top rescue. i mean, we have done this unfortunately too many times. but, at this scale we have not. but governor be a bought has been on top of this for the last several days. we will be ready, i understanding the president plans to come down here sometime early this week. we are working with fema already. we will take this on with a texas size effort for a texas size storm. and this is when. tucker: i believe it. when people come together, tucker, when a time when our country is divided many ways, this is when everybody comes together in texas and helps each other. that s what we ll do street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, county by county and all up and down texas from the coast of san antonio to austin and houston and beyond. tucker: knowing the state, i believe it. thank you for joining us, i appreciate it? thank you, tucker. thank you for focusing on texas tonight. we thank you. tucker: of course. timothy march marshall is chasing that hurricane. he joins us on the phone. timothy marshall, can you hear me? yes, tucker, i can. tucker: where are you? i m just north of rockport on route 35. the outer road. and is it is quite windy here. racing by like a time laps movie. we get white out conditions occasionally. power poll poles started of going down about an hour ago. a lot of power outages. people will to deal with that for days and maybe even weeks. we just are getting another squall now. the show is yet to come. we still have the eye wall offshore. so, another hour or two with that wind things are going to go really down hill. hill. tucker: so you are doing this obviously because this ask what. do you the lieutenant governor saying he hoped people would be gone from that area. do you see residents of where you are? are they leaving? are they hunkering down? i saw a whole line of cars leaving this morning and i m out here now and there is nobody out here. i m just by myself. i think we may have lost contact. no. i m here. we re just getting these really strong gusts that are occasionally birds are just going sideways. they can t fly. just occasionally we get these white out conditions here. we re going to lose cell service soon. tucker: i bet you are. look, if you can call us later, i would be grateful. call the producers anyway. i hope you are okay. oh, yeah. timothy marshall driving through the hurricane. good to talk to you tonight. thank you. fox news reporter henry is in surf side beach, texas right now. there she is. she joins us. lindsey, what do you see? i can t hear anything. tucker: lindsey, can you hear me? the storm has affect our electronics like nothing else. lindsey henry, can you hear me? tucker: that connection seems to have gone down. we will be back to that stay with us as we track this hurricane as we will for the duration of the hour and the evening. hurricane harvey barreling towards texas. also ahead, nfl players are expressing their contempt for america by sitting out the national anthem. now the naacp is getting involved. we will talk to one of its leaders coming up. can i give it to you straight? that airline credit card you have. it could be better. it s time to shake things up. with the capital one venture card, you get double miles on everything you buy, not just airline purchases. seriously, think of all the things you buy. great.is this why you asked me to coffee? well yeah. but also to catch-up. what s in your wallet? hey, is this our turn? honey.our turn? yeah, we go left right here. 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what the hell. it s political for the nfl not to give collin kaepernick a job. tucker: now the naacp wants in on the action and threatening a possible boycott of the league if they can t get a meeting with the nfl commissioner to discuss kaepernick s status. griggs with the naacp chapter involved in the boycott discussions and he joins us tonight. mr. greg, thanks for coming on. thanks for having me, tucker. tucker: so have you a league that is 70% african-american. 70% of the players are black as compared to about 13% of the population so clearly there is no racism in hiring. have you a guy who signed a contract in 2014 for like $126 million. collected 39 million of that. just on the basis of those facts alone, it s hard to see how collin kaepernick of 29 is a victim of racism. tell me how he is. well, considering that is he the 17th best quarterback in the league and a league theme ploys well over 90 quarterbacks there is no reason for him to not have a job at this point. yes, he did opt out of his contract and decided to take his talents to another team. but the fact that, again, only 16 other quarterbacks have a higher quarterback rating than collin kaepernick speaks a lot to what s going on with the nfl and the reason why we believe this is an issue of race. tucker: okay. now maybe the honors are making a poor decision in not picking up collin kaepernick. i m not qualified to assess that and i doubt you are either. what makes you suspect it s racial? again, the league is 70% black. if anything, it seems like it might be able to use a little diversity. i mean, that s not i mean, how is that racism? i m honestly confused. well, the issue is with the ownership. and, again, there are no owners that are african-american. there is one owner that s a person of color. so you have 32 teams, 32 owners who we believe are acting in a way that goes against putting a good product on the field. if it s about ability and the ability to win games, and to produce on the field, collin kaepernick s stats speak for themselves. again, his quarterback rating shows he is the 17th best quarterback in the league. there is no reason he should not be able to get training camp invite to be able to show his talents on the field. tucker: okay. so he singsd for $126 million before. how much do you think he should sign for this time? i m not sure. i m not qualified to answer that question. i m qualified enough to know that his quarterback rating, again, rates him the 17th best quarterback in the league. he threw 16 touchdowns, four interceptions. he had 90 quarterback rating. there are quarterbacks who have a job like eli manning, quarterbacks like philip rivers who have far less quarterback rating last year alone that have jobs, have starting jobs. tucker: again, neither of success a coach or talent scout. let me ask you a question if the owners are racist, why are 70% of their employees black? i mean, wouldn t they not want to hire black people if they are racist and pay them hundreds of millions of dollars? this is about talent. and again his talent speaks for itself. if there is no other reason other than talent that s keeping him off the field. that s a question better asked to the owners. tucker: the question i want ask you. i got it he is a great player and all this stuff somehow they are racist. that s what talent and that s what the nfl is about. it s about putting a good product on the field. tucker: right. so you represent the naacp. here s mile question. yes, i m the vice president of naacp atlanta. tucker: over 70% of black children are born out of wedlock this year is that a bigger problem or smaller problem than collin kaepernick getting another 126-million-dollar contract? because i don t hear you saying anything about that. well, first off, if you google me, you will see the work i do in the african-american community here in atlanta. so a question like 70% of the african-american children being born out of wedlock. tucker: seems like that s. bait. tucker: it s not a bait it s a fact. what is the rate in atlanta? i live in atlanta, georgia. so you could tell me. tucker: i don t know. here you are sucking up to a guy who just signed 126-million-dollar contract. i think in a country of 320 million you could find someone who is actually the victim of racism or oppression. but this guy, who is 29 years old and has more money than god, he is the victim? i guess that s what i m saying. there are a lot of people who might need your help. how is kaepernick one of them? is he paying you? i assume you are getting money out of it? first off, i m not getting any money. it s about not any paid protest. tucker: i don t believe that. this is not about a narrative you are going to spin. this is about talent. it s about the nfl. it s about the nfl needing to answer the question why the 17th best quarterback in the league is out of a job right now. if it s about talented, if it s about talent, you are needing to answer the talent question. tucker: my last question. do you feel that you are devaluing any of your moral authority to the extent your organization has any left, by taking your time and energy defending 29-year-old millionaires against fake accusations of racism? okay. again, we are not losing any of our moral authority to do anything. we are not going to get into name calling or debasing anyone. we are talking facts. and the facts are clear. he is the 17th best quarterback in the league. tucker: i got it? no real reason why he is not on a team right now. tucker: all right. again we are sending a strong message to the nfl. mr. goddle has gotten a letter. if he decides not to meet with us, then we will take appropriate actions after that. i appreciate the opportunity being on your show. tucker: thanks, i appreciate it, too. thank you, tucker. have a great day. tucker: you, too. one of the worst hurricanes in decades set to make landfall over texas. a live report on that storm coming up next. because only your authorized mercedes-benz dealer has the skilled technicians to certify that your pre-owned vehicle is up to mercedes-benz standards. visit the certified pre-owned sales event, now through august 31st and learn more about our unlimited mileage warranty - and how your confidence can be as unlimited as your mileage. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. it s happening, it s happening! in the modern world, you can control just about anything with an app. your son is turning on all the lights again! you can do the same with your car insurance with the esurance mobile app. esurance. click or call. copdso to breathe better,athe. i go with anoro. go your own way copd tries to say, go this way. i say, i ll go my own way with anoro. go your own way once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators, that work together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night. anoro is not for asthma . it contains a type of medicine wbr id= wbr13800 /> that increases risk of death in people with asthma. the risk is unknown in copd. anoro won t replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than once a day. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition, high blood pressure, glaucoma, prostate, bladder, or urinary problems. these may worsen with anoro. call your doctor if you have worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain while taking anoro. ask your doctor about anoro. go your own way get your first prescription free at anoro.com. i was playing golf love golf.. i used to love golf. wait, what, what happened? 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it has been really spot on here. the center of this storm, a lot of times they interact with land and begin to break apart a little bit. looks like a doughnut. visibly a perfect shape of a hurricane. and the outer eye wall getting right here about to make landfall. we talk about landfall and that landfall technically means where the center point of the hurricane, so the center where the lowest pressure is crosses land. then have you a landfall. so that s this when it gets across land then we will call it landfall. i will tell you what, right here we have winds about 115 miles per hour. right now we have had them reported 110 miles per hour. you get an idea, the impacts are wide. the biggest problem is it doesn t go anywhere. it s slowed down in forward speed. the next day or so it moves inland maybe about 40 miles or. so it looks kind of ugly. it s going to pull back here and we probably have about a six day event where this storm is here. some models, tucker, now indicating this thing completely dissipates over texas. all of that moisture in the air falling right there in that spot in texas, which will cause catastrophic flooding. i don t see any way other than that for this to go down. which is bothersome. sometimes have you a way out of these storms. can go one way or the other and that helps. this isn t one of those storms. tucker: most powerful sinc1961. joining us from blessing, texas, how is it matt? tucker, this town is between houston and corpus christi. it s being described as ground zero as some of the strongest portion of the storms expected to hit here. the weather is changing by the minute. strong consistent wind and rain coming from all different directions. you can see this town behind me, looks like most towns in this area almost entirely evacuated, ghost-town looking. this is matta gore are a county. mandatory evacuation issued at midnight last night and the last bus to leave this county left at 1:30 this afternoon. the message from emergency officials now is if you are here, you are unfortunately basically on your own. we spoke to the mayor in a small town just a short distance over. and he says that power is already starting to go out on these areas. unfortunately if you stuck around, you are potentially facing days without power. there was a lot of standing water in the streets already. this is starting to look like most of the areas in southeastern texas here. a lot of evacuations. these towns looking like ghost towns and just very few people wandering around here, tucker. tucker: matt, it looks like a movie set. it s amazing. be safe. thanks for that. thank you. tucker: the states of texas and louisiana already declared states of emergency. hundreds of national guard troops were activated in anticipation of landfall of this hurricane. how will they respond to it? lieu tenants general russell wbr id= wbr17400 /> would know. you certainly remember him from 12 years ago when he commanded the joint task force at hurricane katrina in new orleans and the gulf coast and he joins us tonight. general, thanks a lot for coming on. give us a sense of how federal forces and state forces are going to be responding right now to this storm. well, the federal forces will only be used in the federal troops would only be used to fill requirements that the national guard, right now post katrina there has been a lot of emphasis in the national guard as always been the first for the governors to use. but, the national guard through neutral agreements with sister states will call in assets such as helicopters that they need. and special units that they need. but this is a national guard will have the lead. then for those things that they need, if they need a ship they will go to dod and ship will be sent from the navy. or if they need extra wide /b> wbr-id= wbr18000 /> body aircraft to movie heavy equipment. this is the national guard working with the county and state officials to do search and rescue, which is the first phase of the response to hurricane, tucker. tucker: so how does is it mostly done by air, the search and rescue? well, use all assets both air and ground. the winds will be restrictive maybe for days from using helicopters. most of our helicopter crews can operate about 25, 30 mile-per-hour wind. as you just saw a minute ago, that storm is going to continue to turn. and the winds may exceed 25 or 35 miles per hour for days on end. which would put us to a more restrictive use to ground search and rescue teams in swift water boats having to go in to rescue people. this is going to make it even more dynamic because texas is big and this is a big long coast line. and we have got a lot of isolated communities there. with surge water going up to 7 to 12 feet combined with a couple foot of rainwater, tucker. tucker: it s been a long time since we have had something like this. general, thanks a lot for that it s good to see you. have a good day. tucker: you too. we ll have more live coverage of hurricane harvey in just a moment. but, first, another fox news alert, north korea has launched what appears to be multiple ballistic missiles into the ocean off its east coast. the united states pacific command says the north koreas attempted to launch three short range ballistic missiles, you a three of them they say failed. the launch comes during joingted u.s. south korean military training on the peninsula. now to the southern poverty law center, a left wing attack group masquerading as a civil rights organization. they professionally slur mainstream conservatives and christians calling them all kinds of names. so you won t be surprised to learn and by the way names that are taken up by the rest of the press and reported as fact. you won t be surprised to learn that a florida based christian missionary group named d. james kennedy ministries made their list of hate groups like so many being tarred this way they are fighting back. they have sued them for deaf testimony immigration. dr. wright is the president of the ministries and he joins us tonight. doctor, thanks a lot for coming on tonight. thanks for having me on, tucker. tucker: so they have lumped you in to a category as a hate group. what effect has this had on your ministry? first of all, it s not a lot of fun to jury name listed right alongside neo nazis and the ku klux klan and skin heads. the effect is hard to measure. it lowers the confidence that donors have to support nonprofit organizations like ours. tucker: that s right. when they label us a hate group. we have even had some of our wbr id= wbr19800 /> long time donors call and say what s wrong with you guys? what happened to you? we have had to explain that it s really just a label. it s a label that they use to try to see you lens your viewpoint. it s nothing more than the old fashioned ad homonym attack that you learn in debated tactics that if you don t want to deal with ideas, you shut them up by calling them names and because of what you said a minute ago, it s worked simply because the media, the mainstream media in the main has not called them out on their own capricious and fallacious definition of what constitutes hate. tucker: without explaining it. pretty handy test for those at home. if you are trying to determine whether the media outlet you are reading and watch something legitimate. if they repeat propaganda by the southern poverty law center that is by definition propaganda. do you wake up and find out you are part of a hate group? that s exactly right. /b> wbr id= wbr20400 /> wbr id= wbr20400 /> they never interviewed us. they ve they never questioned whatever positions that we took that they considered to be hateful. just placed us on their list. and when all the violence took place in charlottesville in recent times, all of the sudden all the same news media were talking here decided it was time to publish the list of all the hate groups everywhere. and wouldn t you know it, we are number 1 in florida according to them. so, you know, tucker, enough is enough. and when people are spreading lies that are ultimately damaging, when you are being categorized as a hate group simply because of your subscription to the historic christian faith enough is enough. so we decided to file suit. this is clearly david and goliath. we are not confused about which one we are. they have $300 million in offshore bank accounts and we have somewhat less than that in ours. there is a rightness about this. there is unfairness about this. so that s why we filed suit. tucker: to lump you in with nazis and you feel /b> wbr id= wbr21000 /> wbr id= wbr21000 /> sorry for their donors. i think a lot of their donors feel like they are fighting back against the nazis. who wouldn t want to do that. they don t understand how deeply corrupted and dishonest and loathe some these people are. good luck in your efforts to clear your name. thank you, tucker. thank you. tucker: the democratic party is trying to flip the republican strong hold of orange county, california. what s their message, they are alleging a russian conspiracy, of course. orange county congressman dana roar bacher is the subject of those charges. he joins us here next. breaking news, the most serious hurricane to hit the u.s.s. in more than a decade will soon make landfall in texas. it s the most powerful storm in texas in more than 50 years. a live report straight ahead.e things that are built to last. /b> wbr id= wbr21600 /> wbr id= wbr21600 /> that s why we got a subaru. 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for one thing let me just noted that i have a background as you are aware, i was president reagan s speech writer. i have been a long history of fighting the soviet union and communism. and no, the fact is that i believe that we should try to have peace with russia. i m certainly not in any way trying to compromise the truth or anything that would put our country second to what russia everything i do in terms of i am the chairman of the committee in congress that overseas our relations with russia. everything i do there and in my personal life and such is done for what s good for america i happen to think that working with the russians now to help defeat radical islam is a good idea. so they end up calling me /b> wbr-id= wbr25200 /> names and trying to cast aspersions on my patriotism. tucker: so they are attacking you for meeting with julian assange about 10 days ago in london at the ecuadorian embassy where he lives. and some are saying wait a second didn t julian assange damage security by his activities. how do you respond to that? i think that julian assange s activities they balance out there. are some things that i wish he would not have been permitted to be made public. but it is also important that we don t have secret government here in the united states. and the vast majority of things that he has released have just showing that the government had overreached its legitimate authority and was exposing that not only here but throughout the world of course. so, yeah. i have got some trepidations but mostly i think he has done a great service to this country by exposing our government when it was going beyond the bounds of wbr id= wbr25800 /> legitimacy. tucker: far beyond the bounds in some cases. you asked him directly did the information taken from the dnc web account did, that come from russia and he said no, it did not. do you take him at his word? he was first of all, he was adamant that the russians played no role. this is a man that released the information. he should know and quite frankly there is a reason for him to be lying about it and there is every reason to know that the liberal left in this country had every reason to lie about it because they were trying to destroy a result last election when they lost to donald trump. and so this whole thing with the russians supposedly, would are responsible for these emails. this is a fraud. /b> wbr id= wbr26400 /> wbr id= wbr26400 /> it s a con job. in order to negate what happened in the last election. tucker: do you think assange knows where that information came from, where those emails came from? yes, i do j do you have any guesses? yes. i would guess he knows he was provided that information a n. a certain way and now it was delivered to him and that that system would have negated any potential of having a russian hacking of the system. it probably had to be done by an inside download rather than the hacking of the overall system. if that s the case, the russians could never have done it period. tucker: unless they were working at the dnc. some day we will find out what happened and it will be interesting. thanks for coming on. we appreciate it. thank you, tucker. tucker: san francisco liberals used to stand up for free speech. they were famous for it. no longer. that city s mayor teamed up /b> wbr-id= wbr27000 /> with nancy pelosi to shut down a free speech rally there, which was supposed to be going on tomorrow organizer of that rally joins us here next. hurricane harvey already slamming the gulf coast of texas. a live report on that is straight ahead from the scene. stay tuned. administration last week, gorka had been the subject of widespread criticism from the president s political opponents and interventionists throughout washington. this is a fox news alert. one of many on tonight s show, hurricane harvey is barreling toward the texas coast still. the category 4 storm expected to make landfall in the next few hours. we are keeping track historically strong storm. a live report is just moments away. but, first, california democrats, including nancy pelosi have successfully shut down a free speech rally in the city of san francisco. it wbr id= wbr30310 /> was scheduled for tomorrow. their efforts to malign the organizers as racists, alt right drummed up enough controversy for the organizer to call the event off. they are going to hold a press conference in place of their rally. helped organize all wbr id= wbr30450 /> of this and he joins us tonight. so, joey, just to be totally clear, what was the pointed of this rally, the one you just canceled? the whole point of the rally was just to promote freedom, love, peace, bringing people together, moderate republicans, /b> wbr id= wbr30600 /> moderate democrats. it was about letting go of the politics and coming together on things we can all agree on. tucker: that sounds terrifying. i can understand why they wanted to shut it down. how did nancy pelosi and officials in california describe the event? they called it a white supremacist rally. and they went out of their way to bring in as many extremists as they could and get everything they could to get antifa riled up. they say they distant against hate and stand against violence but they never said anything against antifa. they never made any statement saying antifa is violent and hateful. so the situation was out of control. we felt like they were trying to incite a riot. our supporters would have to march through antifa to get into the rally. we felt like there was major players behind all of this going on and it was like out of our control. tucker: do you have white supremacist believes? are you espousing that ideology? there is some reason, in other words, that pelosi and the rest would be describing /b> wbr-id= wbr31200 /> you as a fringe figure? a hater? well, i think that, you know, speaking about love a lot, you know, speaking about freedom. speaking about unity. for some reason that brings a lot of enemies in the establishment in d.c. these politicians, they make their career based off of dividing the nation, dividing the voters so that we fight. the truth is if we came together if moderates came together, we would see through their lives, we would work together and get rid of these career politicians and people would eventually realize that nancy pelosi is no different than like john mccain. she is just another politician, a corrupt politician taking advantage of her constituents. tucker: but also you re charging someone who is in effect inspiring mobs to threaten people for saying things they don t like. yeah. absolutely. so she is basically trying to work up san francisco to get them angry and pissed off so they would be violent i guarantee you so there would be violent. that whole thing was a trap. christie phillips original rally. we feel like she wanted there to be violence and then she would blame it on us and she would blame it on so-called trump supporters or conservatives even though a lot of us are moderate. we weren t going to give it to her. we are not going to give to the mayor. we are not going to give it to establishment figures trying to shut down freedom rallies all over the country. tucker: it s unbelievable. good luck at your press conference tomorrow, joey. thanks for coming on tonight. thank you. tucker: up next, we have a live report on the hurricane now a category 4. we are not overstating the severity of this storm. it is really historic. we will be back with details on it in just a minute. the worst of the wins, something you need to point out. the national hurricane center, we know uncertainty has become famous over the last decade or so. we see the big yellow bob, that is the cone right now. you never want to look at the center of it but tomorrow night, still a category 1 hurricane. because we have 130-mile-an-hour winds, we are talking almost 24 hours for we have hurricane force winds on the east coast, south east coast. and it stalls out. we go toward sunday and monday. almost back towards the same spot. tuesday into wednesday and thursday. you get the idea it s with us for a very long time. that is why you re so concerned about the flooding. we could have a disaster on our hands. you factor in the wind. the storm, the satellite imagery is spectacular. you don t want to see this but take a look. very incredible center of the storm right now. moving on shore. just to the east of aransas. in the rockport area. they are going to get pummeled in the next hour. this is the eye wall. padre island s seashore area. it will be pummeled, landscape will be changed by the time this is done. from storm surge, wind, and this very long, prolonged. lack of rain that will last 5-6 days. tucker: really tough. rick, we appreciate it. high rains in corpus christi. broadcasting, steve harrigan nearly blew into the gulf earlier. you missed it. watch. to speak of the real danger in the storm, it s not going to goy for the next 48 hours. if you can t. get to safe places.
both sides and the president s side, the special counsel side had a face-to-face meeting last week. a rare face-to-face meeting after weeks of informal discussions and we re told by a source familiar myself, my colleague that robert mueller s team provided more granularity on the topics they would like to discuss with the president in a possible interview under the umbrella of the firing of james comey as well as the firing of the former national security adviser michael flynn. the specifics include the attorney general jeff sessions role in the firing of james comey as well as what the president knew about his national security adviser michael flynn and his conversation he had had with former russian ambassador sergei kizlyback about the actions. there is possible collusion, possible obstruction of justice and what the president knew. i m told by a source familiar that legal team has taking the topics and created questions possible questions that could be asked in an interview on a memo. but i m told by another source, don that, the president is now vacillating on whether he wants to do an interview with robert mueller s team. he said that he wants to sit down with him under oath but now as ate pears this russia probe continues to go on and on despite what the president has been told by his lawyers, he sort of changing his posture as we saw over the weekend with him going after robert mueller directly by name, don. pamela brown reporting from the white house. thank you very much. here to discuss all of this, our cnn political analyst and robert mueller s special assistant at the justice department and patrick heely of the new york times. so hello to all of you. michael, i want to get new first. can president trump s lawyers control the details of what the special counsel wants to talk to trump about? no. they cannot. and, in fact, i think that the washington post reporting to day that they re trying to give a narrative of the white house events in an effort to circumscribe mueller s interview is just really not probable. the reality is that mueller is going to ask the president the questions that mueller feels he needs to ask in order to determine whether or not there was any interference that was known by the president, any collusion or coordination that the president s campaign participated in and then the obstruction of justice and as we saw from the subpoenas last week, possibly financial crimes by the trump organization. and there is fno way that any self respecting prosecutor with respect the effort to circumscribe the interview. president trump said he was looking forward to speak with mueller. he was able to hold off attacking him by name. but how does this outward hostility now affect this investigation? and that is goes to his mindset. and he believes he s above the law then if he thinks he doesn t have to answer. he believes that he has for decades has seen himself as someone who has been unfairly targeted either by the media, by enemies in court. this is his mindset. and that if you have, you know, if you have good lawyers, if you have a good team, you can, you know, you can avoid essentially having to answer those questions. what do you call that? do you call that dilutional , hw you would think it s a witchunt? how would he think that people are out to get him if you not necessarily in this but if he has laus lawsuits and didn t pay people or did something wrong, how is that a witch hunt? it is trump s way of branding the enemy. he s done that in the political sphere when he brands marco rubio as little marco or bob corker. so i think that has been his legal strategy. it is his pr strategy at this point as well. he wants to prejudge this, prejudge this for the public so that whatever bob mueller come out with they are prepared at least if you re a republican or at least if you re inclined to like donald trump, then you would go along with this story of that he s painting. it also, i think to patrick s point, is on brand in terms of trump is always the embattled one. he embattled against even people in his own administration, people that he s ain t pod. people who are republicans. he s forever the outcider. that is paranoia, naea. listen, i m not a psychiatrist. i don t play one on tv either. you know, those are your words. but there is you don t have to see that someone is paranoid, you don t have to be a psychiatrist. right. there is certainly i mean he has, i think, believed as patrick said that people are out to get him because he is, you know, he imagines himself as this great man and this big target. if you re a great man in a big target, then guess what? at least in his mind then folks want to take him down or after him. again, just what i said before. so i have to ask you this. this is according to the washington post, president trump s legal team shared documents because they re worried for his pension for making erroneous claims would be vulnerable in an hour s long interview. that is a serious concern, don t you think? it is. if you look at what this investigation has brought so far, the guilty pleas have been about what? perjury. making false statements to investigators. you think about rick gates and then if you even go back to president clinton. what was president clinton impeached for? what were the charges? at least partly it was lying under oath about sex can monica lewinsky. so that s what this team around donald trump is looking at and also his very well known pension for making stuff up, making erroneous claims. some say outright lying. so that is why you see this team trying to circumscribe and put guardrails up on what he s going to be saying under oath for fear of that he would break into that pattern he often has of just make things up. you re much kinder than i am. with your phrasing and your words. and not just saying lying. so listen, michael, investigators have told the president s lawyers that when it comes to questions about michael flynn and james comey, the questions mueller have for president trump are about what did he do? and what was he thinking when he did it? let s remember what the president said in his own words. there is about firing comey. let s watch this. in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i seld, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. it s an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election that they should have won. so whether it comes to michael flynn and his previously undisclosed meeting with the russian ambassador, the president said i had to fire general flynn because he lied to the vice president and the fbi. he plead guilty to those lies. it is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. there was nothing to hide. how damaging, michael, will these past comments be? well, i think that what will be the most damaging is if the president repeats under oath stories that mueller does not believe to be true. so all of these tweets now may be fodder for the interview but really it is the under oath interview that matters most in terms of president trump s legal jeopardy. what we have now, don, is a series of acts. the firing of comey, the hostile workforce with mccabe, the stand down, communications with comey vis-a-vis flynn, the loyalty, all those things are little pieces that mueller has to look at in terms of an obstruction of justice mosaic. when you add on to it any lies under oath, then i think that clearly tips the scales as nia reported with respect to an obstruction of justice finding or an abuse of office impeachable offense. so that s what the lawyers are most concerned about. the adding of those little pieces of mosaic plus the lie equalling obstruction or abuse of power and they re going to do everything they can to protect the president. but in the end, the power of the grand jury will prevail and the president will have to ask i m sorry, i can t say it in english, he ll have to answer questions he ll be asked under oath. that will determine the legal situation. it s monday. you need to warm up. by wednesday you ll be perfectly fine. thank you all. i appreciate it. when we come back, 50 million facebook profiles access, data of course sesed by the firm hired by the trump campaign. i m going to talk to the person that blew the whistle on cambridge analytica. it s ok that everyone ignores me while i drive. it s fine. because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i m accident free. and i don t share it with mom! right, mom? righttt. safe driving bonus checks. only from allstate. switching to allstate is worth it. we re drowning in information. where, in all of this, is the stuff that matters? the stakes are so high, your finances, your future. how do you solve this? you don t. you partner with a firm that advises governments and the fortune 500, and, can deliver insight person to person, on what matters to you. morgan stanley. we the people who are better together than we are alone. are unstoppable. welcome to the entirely new expedition. . tonight we re hearing from christopher wiley. in the interview you re about to watch, he tells me about his work at the company with close ties to the trump campaign, a company now accused of using the private data of tens of millions of facebook users to directly target potential american voters. how closely tied to the trump campaign is cambridge analytica? people at the highest levels and those close to the president were involved in bringing the data company onboard. the president s son-in-law and the digital campaign direct for for president trum hop is kushtly leading the reelection campaign were both involved in the hiring. cambridge analytica was run with the help of steve bannon. he was a trump campaign ceo who went on to become chief white house strategist and christopher wiley says trump campaign manager corey lewandowski was meeting with cambridge analytica even before trump announced his candidacy. so all of there is worth keeping in mind as you hear what whistle-blower christopher wiley says was happening at cambridge analytica. watch this. joining me is a former research director who blew the whistle on the firm. thank you so much for joining us. are you doing okay? thanks for having me. it s been a long day. but i m okay. you describe what you billed as psycho logical warfare. a psychological warfare weapon. something you say steve bannon wanted. the ability to play with the psychology of an entire country. how did that work? talk to us about that. yeah. so steve came to scl because he believes in something called the breitbart doctrine. in order to change politics you first have to change culture because politics is down stream from culture. and in order to fight a culture war, you need an arsenal of information weapons. and who better to go to than a company like scl which is a military contractor based in the uk to help set up those information weapons. and so what we worked on at scl and later at cambridge analytica is data harvesting programs where we pull data from users of apps and all the friend networks and run that data through algorithms that can profile the psychological attributes so we would know what information we need to feed to online platforms o to exploitmental vulnerabilities that are algorithms showed they had. this goes beyond just sort of programming advertisement toward a certain group. because you told us you can tell something about people based on things like whether they like game of thrones or country music. what can you tell? yeah. so, you know, i think it s easiest to think about when you go on a date, for example. the questions that you ask on a date, right? you ask what music do you like? what kind of movies do you watch? do you do any sports? we ask those questions because they reveal little bits about ourselves, about our personalities and who we are. cambridge analytica says none of the data was used in services to the trump campaign s that true, christopher? well, let me be clear. i didn t work on the trump campaign. i can t speak to the trump campaign. but what i do know is that this data was, you know, we spent, you know, almost a million dollars on just harvesting this data alone. and it was this data that became the foundation of the company because this is what we used to build the algorithms that then were that actually became the basis of the company itself. so the question that i would have is what happens to the foundation of your company if you didn t indeed use it on the trump campaign. what were you using then? because that was the basis of your company, right? that s how the company started. yeah. there was no data before that point. so we went from no data to harvesting all of this data off of facebook and then combining it with all this consumer data sets at the behest of steve ba bannon? yeah. the company got funded in the spring of 2014 and he wanted to be able to have functioning program in time for the mid terms. so we had sort of a steve bannon and a billionaire breathing down our necks saying where is the data? where is the algorithms and our information weapons? and that s where alex ander kogan came along from cambridge who offered the use of this app that had special permissions granted by facebook to pull data not only from the app user but from all of the friends of that user and that meant that for one user we re collecting 200, 300 friends data and that scaled really quickly. so what i m trying to say is bannon came n he wanted this information. this is you said at the behest of a millionaire which is robert mercer as well. right. breathing down your throat. and so bannon goes to work for the trump campaign. where does all this information go? it had to go somewhere. that s the basis of your company. well, yeah. i mean i don t how else did they build the algorithms then? what, you know, what did they use? yeah. so the facebook data was integral. i want to get it straight. integral to cambridge analytica, correct? yes. it was the basis of the first of algorithms that the company built. okay. listen, according to the fec reports, trump came pain paid them nearly $6 million between july 2016 and december of 2016. what did the trump campaign think cambridge could offer? what were the goal, do you know? well, very soon after i left i know that alex andander nix w going to meet with lewandowski before trump announced hes with running and when they were still working for ted cruz. i don t know why they had that meeting. you have to ask cambridge analytica they were pitching. why were they talking to donald trump before he even announced? how did they know he was run brg he even announced and what is it if it wasn t for this data and fit wasn t for the algorithms, what it is you re pitching and using? those are good questions. more about corey lewandowski in a moment. you also say cambridge analytica was testing trump s slogans in 2014, terms that seemed to let me get the question out. parted pack the deep state and build that wall. go ahead. so we were testing messages and all kinds of imagery that included, you know, images of walls, people scaling walls, you know, we tested draining the swamp. testing ideas of the deep state and the nsa watching you and the government is, you know, conspiring against you. and a lot of these narratives which at the time would have seemed, you know, crazy for a mainstream candidate to run on. those were the things that we were finding that there were pockets of americans who this really appealed to. and steve bannon knew that. we were doing the research on it. and i was surprised when i saw, you know, the trump campaign and it started talking about, you know, building walls or draining the swamp. i remember in my head, wait, we tested this. so you have to ask the company and steve bannon where they got these narratives. i know that we were testing the narratives well before trump even announced. so you said that there was a meeting between corey lewandowski before trump announced he was even running. do you know anything about that? well, i have it confirmed from, you know, cambridge analytica s lawyers in writing they had a meeting in early 2015 in the spring of 2015 before they announced. i know that which i have again documented in writing that they were talking about the algorithms that they could over and the data sets they could offer to corey lewandowski before donald trump even announced. and the bizarre thing about it is that they were already work fo working for ted cruz. what it is they were pitching? if it wasn t for these algorithms, you know, how in the span two of months did they actually build something different? listen, there is also this undercover investigation from channel 4 news in the uk. yeah. cambridge analytica, the senior executives filmed, they re saying they can entrap politicians with bribes and ukrainian sex workers. i want you to take a look at this. for example, you re saying you re using the girls to introduce to the local fellow and using girls for seduction, they re not local girls? i don t think so. it was just an idea. yes. okay. it was on holiday. they re very beautiful ukrainian girls. they are very beautiful. yes. so christopher, they say the report is edited and scripted to grossly plis represent the nature of the conversation that s took place. they say the executives entertained a series of ludicrous hypothetical scenarios and the ceo says when the reporter posing as a prospective client turned the conversation to entrapment, the executives left with grave concerns and did not meet with him again. they do not condone or engage in entrapment, bribes or honey traps nor does it use untrue material for my purpose. so my question, i see you shaking your head there and you don t believe it. the question is what does this all say about the techniques that they use? well, let me put it this way. i m probably the only gay guy in london that had a membership card to a strip club with women. meaning? meaning that this was a common technique that the company used. you know, we i would be at strip clubs all the time. i need you to be more specific. you re the only gay guy in london with a membership to a strip club. what do you mean by that? be more explicit. you know, one of the things that this company does is it will do whatever it takes to get a contract and if that means entertaining a client at a strip club with women stripping, they will do that. do you think, christopher, that the trump campaign did anything necessity farro in a nefarious or were all the bad actions by cambridge. i didn t work on the trump campaign. there is a perverse company culture inside of cambridge analytica and as the undercover shows, they re willing to go to extreme lengths to service their clients. and they ll do anything that helps. whether it s legal or not. i ve got a question for you, christopher. i need to get in a break. i m speaking now. i want to tell the audience. i m speaking to whistle-blower christopher wiley and i m going to ask him if he is a potential witness or if he s been contacted by the mueller investigation. don t go anywhere. we ll be right back. wake up early, o. slap on some cologne i m 85 and i wanna go home just got a job as a lifeguard in savannah i m 85 and i wanna go home dropping sick beats, they call me dj nana 85 and i wanna go don t get mad. get e trade, kiddo. much more now from my interview with christopher wiley who is blowing the whistle on cambridge analytica, the data firm that worked for president trump s presidential campaign. have you been contacted by the mueller investigators? not that i am aware of. although, i haven t been able to speak with my lawyer today. i can tell you did they contact you, if robert mueller or investigators contact you, will you cooperate? i m happy to chat, absolutely. this is why i m coming forward. they said they asked cambridge analytica and you to agree to an audit. have you agreed? an audit of what? what, my phone? it s not like i have a massive server farm. i m just a guy. like what do they want to audit? and why i don t understand. like what, they want to look at my phone. you know, they haven t explained to me what that is. and, you know, i don t like what is it they want to do? yeah. i don t know. i m the person coming forward. i am the one telling people that this program has happened. so i don t understand why it is that they need to do this. we agreed last week with their lawyers that we would sit down and collaborate on this. facebook is only doing something now because i am coming out and speaking out. you know, it s all so for them to turn around and try to punish me, you know, i think, i just don t think it s right. there is not how whistle-blowers should be treated. i want to get to i understand that you re very upset and rightfully so. you feel like personally you have been violated in some way or you re being punished for in no reason. i want to ask you about professor kogan that harvested this data for cambridge analytica. do you think any of the information he collected went back to russia, christopher? well, what i do know is that professor kogan who managed this data harvesting scheme of 50 million americans was going back and forth between london and working at st. petersburg and look at psychological profiling and indeed talking about the value of social data in political targeting. you know, meanwhile, as we re talking to luke oil about the same program, to me my concern is that, you know, cambridge analytica, i m not saying that it did it intentionally, but i am concerned that we made russia aware of the programs that we were working on and that might have sparked an idea that, you know, eventually led to some of the disinformation programs that we ve seen in the interference that we ve seen from russia in american elections. so for me, i m concerned about that. and if i played some kind of role in that, i feel like it is my duty to tell people about it. which is why i m talking to you. listen, there is also this reported pitch that cambridge analytica made to luke oil. you mentioned luke oil, a russian oil producer. back in 2014. how the presentation had little to do with oil consumers but had everything to do with election disruption techniques. that is according to documents you provided. why would an oil company need to be briefed on that? i don t know. ask cambridge analytica. ask luke oil. i don t know. i was just told that i needed to give a briefing on, you know, the rippon project, the data lar vesting project that we were doing. i no he that alexander nix said he sent the white paper harvesting dat y harvesting data of 50 million americans and sent it to luke oil. i don t flow if you ve seen the pitch that alexander put together for luke oil, it has nothing to do with oil. it has nothing to do with consumers and everything to do with rumor campaigns, attitudal inoculation, sewing distrust in civic institutions in nigeria, for example. and for me i just find it i don t understand why it is that alexander nix and cambridge analytica would want to pitch disinformation and rumor campaigns to luke oil as they re also telling luke oil, by the way, we have all the massive data assets at our disposal for an oil company in russia. it doesn t make sense. luke oil says that they never hired cambridge analytica but don t deny severing a presentation about the data firm s capabilities. theycy they say it was to promote the gas stations in turkey. do you think that s true? if that s true, why was he talking why did he create a pitch deck that was about setting up disinformation and rumor campaigns? i mean why is it that he sends my white paper on the data harvesting capabilities of the company and what we were doing in america if it whats to do with turkey? i don t like how does that make any sense? when you spoke to the observer, you describe yourself as a gay canadian veegian who somehow ended up creating this psychological warfare tool for steve bannon. it s the question i asked you before, do you regret what you created, what you did, christopher? yeah. absolutely. i regret it. and that s, you know, why i m coming forward. because part of i feel like, you know, in part i share a the love responsibility for setting up this company. this company that is grossly unethical, that has, you know, operated not just in america but around the world in ways that i think are, you know, morally egregious. i played a significant role in setting up that company. and i feel like it is my duty to tell people, you know, what this company does. but i can t express how much regret that i have for playing a role in setting it up. what do you think is going on whether you say you created that was the basis of the company you created, this information that this information you re talking about and disinformation, a way to disseminate disinformation and then the involvement of steve bannon who was connected with the trump campaign. there is russia s involvement. there s trump s campaign manager corey lewandowski so on and so forth. i m not saying you know anything empirically, but what do you think is going on? i i i don t know. i know i know what i know. what i know is that this is a company that was talking with russia. i no he that this was a company using a professor going back and forth to russia working on russian programs as harvesting the data of over 50 million americans. i know this is a company that works in disinformation. i no he that this is a company that willingly admits to pitching prostitutes as was revealed by channel 4 tonight. i know this is a company that was meeting with donald trump s campaign team before donald trump even announced despite the fact that they deny that. and i think that when you look at everything, a lot of questions get raised. i have a lot of those questions myself. and what i m trying to do is put out information and let you guys ask those questions and have this company answer them. do you think the information that you helped create influenced the 2016 election? i think it must have played some role. you know, i can t say for sure is this something that wanted for trump or a particular candidate. you know, it s sort of impossible to guess. but i think absolutely it played a role. thank you. cheers. when we come back, the reporter who broke wiley s story for the new york times joins me along with our reporter. i m going to ask them if they can connect the dots here and explain what wiley s information could tell us about the 2016 i election. what s with the coffee maker? sorry. we are not on speaking terms. what s with the coffee maker? i had a very minor fender bender tonight! in an unreasonably narrow fast food drive thru lane. but what a powerful life lesson. and don t worry i have everything handled. i already spoke to our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. which is so smart on your guy s part. like fact that they ll just. forgive you. four weeks without the car. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won t go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it. flrs wl understanding what may have happened in the 2016 election? that s a big one. i mean, look, we know from this that there was a large harvesting of social media data. we know there are people out there trying to get profiles of american voters. what is going to move them? what is going to get them to stay home and not vote? you know, how that was deployed still remains a source of immense debate. but we do know there were a lot of kind of odd connections between cambridge analytica and some russian firms like luke oil. dr. kogan, the cambridge university researcher who helped cambridge an lit yak, his connection is a little nebulous here. i m not entirely sure that we should say well he was connected to russia. but there are these unexplained moments in this. i think, you know sh that s something that the mueller investigation will be looking into i m sure. so listen, here s what cambridge analytica says, there is no data from gsr was used by cambridge analytica as part of the service provided to the donald trump presidential campaign. so wiley s point is that if the trump campaign wasn t using the data, what happened to it? it was the foundation of what cambridge analytica did. did the trump campaign end up with that facebook data through cambridge analytica, matthew? i think we have to understand what cambridge analytica sought to do with the data. they were trying to build models to get a sense of individual voters. so this was the first large data set they had in which they could build the models. i m sure they brought in other data sets along the way. we use this data, not that data misses the point. you re taking large amounts of data and building this analytical model and tools that you re going to use. and so to say well we didn t use this data is a seems awfully disingenuous when that is the start of how you built your tools that s what he said. overall, jewel yashgs i want to get your assessment before i ask you more specific questions. well, i thought overall he was credible. he is obviously very upset about the situation about his role in it. i think he may make he may connect dots more i say more tightly than maybe matt and i are comfortable with right now. we just simply don t know what the trump campaign knew and what information they got. but i think his point, you know, what was the trump campaign buying from cambridge analytica and why did such senior players in the trump campaign, kushner, m manafort want him to be part of it is a fair question to ask. there is separate from the question that, you know, having to do with fake news and facebook and whether there was a breach. but nonetheless, the question about trump and cambridge analytica, there are enough dots to suggest or at least open an inquiry into what did the trump campaign get from the people that was harvested or stolen or whatever verb you want to use from facebook. okay. i have more questions to ask. i need you to do it on the other side of the break. stay with me. when we come back, why would a data company be caught on hidden camera discussing trapping politicians in honey pot schemes s this about data or dirty tricks. ohhhh. enough already! we need to see a doctor. ask your doctor about myrbetriq® (mirabegron). it treats oab symptoms of urgency, frequency, and leakage. it s the first and only oab treatment in its class. myrbetriq may cause serious allergic reactions. if you experience swelling of the face, lips, throat or tongue, or difficulty breathing. stop taking myrbetriq and tell your doctor right away. myrbetriq may increase blood pressure. tell your doctor right away if you have trouble emptying your bladder or have a weak urine stream. myrbetriq may affect or be affected by other medications. before taking myrbetriq, tell your doctor if you have liver or kidney problems. common side effects include increased blood pressure, common cold symptoms urinary tract infection, constipation, diarrhea, dizziness, and headache. need some help managing your oab symptoms along the way? ask your doctor if myrbetriq is right for you, and visit myrbetriq.com to learn more. the entire community came whtogether as a whole.t, it was such an overwhelming response to help others. no one thought that they were going to do this before it happened and everyone just did it. i think that s the way that human nature should be looked at. i ll stand by you. i ll stand by you. won t let nobody hurt you. i ll stand by you. juliette and matthew are body ba both back with me. before this story came out, cambridge analytica had obtained had denied obtaining or using facebook data. now we know that is not true and they have been caught. so the question is, what else aren t they telling the truth about? probably everything at this stage, given the tape we saw talking about ukrainian women enticing candidates to get information on them. at this stage i ll be honest, i don t believe anyone. in terms of body cambridge analytica and then of course facebook. facebook is i think trying to put this on cambridge analytica, about but as we ve seen at least since 2016, facebook has two problems. one is the fake news problem which they knew about for some time. now has this question about what did they know cambridge analytica had captured from not just the original couple hundred thousand, but the millions? their failure to address that adequately and to show to regulators or whoever else what, in fact, had been done. let s just say it s harming them financially, it s also harming them reputationally. i will say one final thing, i tweeted this out, i m honored to be on with matt. i think what s important now that is we want to protect our democratic systems. whether you re republican or democrat. and it seemed really hard at times to figure out what the heck was going on. you thought the whole process was manipulated in ways we d never be able to figure out what happened. i think what the reporters did in the new york times and others in england was to at least show that the acquiescence of these companies to allow these platforms to be abused was actually a choice they made. if we can make the market have them have another choice, then maybe we will actually begin to defend our democratic processes. so that s my little ode to not fake news at the new york times. the washington post now is reporting tonight that the obama campaign had a similar data mining operation in 2012 that allowed them to build a database of voters. facebook changed its rules in 2015 after concerns about misuse. do you see a difference between these stories? absolutely. the obama data mining operation was basically, they had an app, you knew what you were signing up for with that. it was up front and very clear about what you were signing up for as a user. the cambridge analytica app was not. it said it was for academic use. you know, you were going to provide this data, it was going to scrape your friends, for academic use. and it wasn t. it was to put in the hands of a very conservative billionaire in steve bannon who wanted to reshape american culture, political culture. i think there s an important difference there. i think on facebook s end, what cambridge analytica was doing apart from the deception, what they were doing, the data mining, was completely okay. it was completely legitimate. facebook allowed that up through 20 train and then 2015. how many other data sets like this are out there? how many are better and deeper? cambridge analytica did this quickly and relatively cheaply for under $1 million. there were other people doing this for a lot longer. and it s certainly a question we re asking, what else is out there? you know, facebook kind of friday night, right before our story was about to go online, had this post coming clean, cambridge analytica, trying to get to the bottom of this. they ve known about this over two years and they quietly tried to make sure the data was deleted. we know as of last week it was not deleted. but they didn t inform users. they made no effort to go out and tell people, hey, we ve had this issue. and i think, you know, that does beg the question, what else is out there? what else haven t we been told about? matthew, juliette, thank you very much. attorneys for the president meeting face-to-face with robert mueller s team for the very first time. we ll tell you what they talked about next. you like her. she s really good at social media. she buys stocks in companies that stand for something. you like her. she s always up on the latest trends. she got in early on the whole goat yoga thing. and her sunsets are always #nofilter. you like her. but you d like her better if you made more money than she does. don t get mad at @just marea. get e trade. oh! there s one.a the sea cow manatees in novelty ts? 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the avoiding talking about ending his nuclear program. sixth, don t try to be friends with kim jong-un. he killed his uncle, his half-brother and hundreds of others. he is a despot. those people up in canada, by the way, are our friends. and that s hardball for now. thanks for being with us. msnbc s special coverage of the summit with brian williams and rachel maddow starts right now. two volatile leaders. they have tested each other. rocket man should have been handled a long time ago. they ve taunted each other. kim jong-un issued a direct response. i will surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged u.s. dotard with fire. now, they re moments away from meeting for the first time face-to-face. i hope the upcoming meeting in singapore represents a bright new future to the world. with the stability of the region and the world on the line i don t think i have to prepare very much. will their summit bring us closer to peace or peril? this is an msnbc special report. the united states/north korea nuclear summit. here now areacow and brian wi and good evening. we are one hour away from a history-making moment in singapore, the first time a sitting american president has agreed to meet with the head of north korea. by loose definition, we re looking at a millennial and a man in his 70s. both have nuclear weapons, though both are from markedly different places. the president has chosen to take a risk this evening and begin with a session alone with kim jong-un with only interpreters present, not the usual note takers to record what s being said. more on that later as we look at the president s motorcade now en route. for starters, we re also looking at an intelligence gap between the two tonight, and this is what we mean. they know more about our leader than we know about the enigmatic and cloistered north korean dictator. for starter, our president has an unfiltered twitter account. he was back at it early this morning, setting expectations, we believe. quote, meetings between staff and representatives are going well and quickly, but in the end that doesn t matter. we will all know soon whether or not a real deal unlike those of the past can happen. as you see on your screen right now, the president s motorcade is en route to the cappella hotel in singapore where president trump and kim jong-un will meet for the first time. during the transition of power, after hour last presidential election, president obama reportedly warned president-elect trump that north korea would be the most urgent problem of his presidency. president trump has chosen to handle that problem by giving north korea something it has sought for decades, a one-on-one meeting between their dictato and a sitting u.s. president. no other american president has been willing to do that, but this president said yes, instantly, and without consulting his advisers as soon as kim jong-un asked. in early march. hypothetically, north korea comes out of that meeting say x happen and the u.s. says oh, no, it didn t, there will be no verifiable way to settle that dispute. so deep breath. here we go. here we go is right. joining us tonight for our special coverage of the north korea summit, nicolle wallace, former white house communications director for george w. bush, crucial to what we re going to be talking about tonight. and these days, hochris hayes, host of all in. sumi, director of the oceanic affairs at the national security council under both presidents george w. bush and barack obama. and a korean analyst for cia. rounding out our team is victor cha, the trump former white house candidate for ambassador to south korea, and importantly these days, an msnbc analyst, we are very lick to have the expertise we have at this table, particularly at the very end of this table here. it s a night when we need to be able to parse nuances and understand the subtleties of what is going on. well also have to be cognizant of how much we re being stage managed. i don t know what you re talk about. well, there has been interesting reporting and speculation as toe how much is going to be open for discussion at this event, how much may have been previously decided. the way i m approaching this, at least the way that i m trying to think about this today is to sort of not allow the spectacle and just the weirdness and the unusual nature of the meeting overshadow what s happening here. i don t think we should sugarcoat what the president has done here by agreeing to this meeting. this is north korea is the most repressive dictatorship on earth, arguably. concentration camps, re-education camps, deliberate starvation of their own people as punishment. last february, it with us only last february that this dictator assassinated his own half-brother with vx nerve agent in a public airport in malaysia. just in the state of the union address this january this year, president trump hosted a north korean defector, a man who was an amputee, a man who was tortured in prison, whose father was tortured to death, whose grandmother was starved to death. there is a reason why no u.s. president as ever agreed to give the north korean dictatorship what they have wanted for so long. there is also a reason why they want it. they want the international legitimacy, but they also want to be able to demonstrate to their own people that no matter what they do to their own people, and no matter what that they do with nuclear weapons, they have force order manipulated the rest of the world to see this dictatorship as essentially legitimate, and to see kim jong-un as a legitimate head of state. and that is serious as a heart attack. as weird as this is and almost as incredible as it is as a spectacle, this is a very, very serious line that the president has just crossed. both men, presumably both motorcades have arrived inside the hotel, but we re waiting for confirmation of that. nicolle wallace is among the better sourced people at this network, especially in this area we re talking about tonight. and coming out of what rachel just said, let s agree to two things. number one, that this is a regime that craves being relevant, craves being in the conversation. number two, none of us would be here, they wouldn t be here if there iso nuclear weapons in north korea. and number three, you talked about not sugarcoating things, let s not sugarcoat the fact that we re all doing this because donald trump wants us to. donald trump is there because he knew we d be here. thiss it. this is all he s got this. is his midterm strategy. this is his get out of sitting down with bob mueller strategy. two sources texted me. i just looked at my phone on may 25th and may 26th when it was widely reported that talks were off. talks were never off there was a meeting in the dmz with the americans and north koreans on may 26. the whole thing was trumpian head fake. the whole thing that we re being played issing in we have to bake into the cake a little bit tonight. both that it s happening now but whatever it s going to be announced tonias if it s just been agreed to in that room. and that it s a foreign policy exercise. it is also in every way imaginable a political exercise for donald trump. chris hayes, when you re looking ahead tonight toward what we re going to hear, but also to what nicolle is just saying about what has happened already, whose interests are being served? what are you watching for? that s the question. in a strange way, in the short-term a coincidence of interest between donald trump and kim jong-un. one of the things that s so odd about watching donald trump perform the role as president of the united states is that he does perform it in a monarchial fashion. we saw it at g7. he, donald trump, the individual, the king, was angry at justin trudeau. and so he blew up a communique in g7, right? the way we think about the democratic republics undertake foreign policy is that there are interests and institutions represented by the head of state who is democratically elected. it s not the whim of the head of the state, right? the idea is that we have democratic representation, accountability precisely so that you do not have foreign policy undertaken as a kind of play of a person s ehead of state s personality. there is this bizarre spectacle of watching him come out of the g7 and say i was angry about the way justin talked about me, but i like this kim jong-un. and maybe we can work out a deal. you think to yourself, well, no, the united states, we democratic people, we have a say in this. this is sort of accountable system. and to you point, he doesn t run on this. what he said on a cbs morning show he would hope that he would disappear. to your point about democracies, this is not the foreign policy that he ran on, that i was going to singapore and elevate kim jong-un. depending on whated, this is what he would like to run on and republicans to run on in november. stand big in november is our chief correspondent andrea mitchell. andrea has reported on relations between the u.s. and north korea for every president since reagan. andrea, what are you looking for tonight? what have we been learning as we head toward the start of this one-on-one? i think your cautions to avoid the circus, the orchestration as much as we can is well taken, because we need to really look at that joint statement. we believe from our sources that they have agreed on a squloynt statement. that s why secretary pompeo came into the briefing room i don t know how many hours ago. i was morning i guess our time here and said they re moving very quickly. and the president is going to leave, we later learned, leave tonight after his news conference following the summit rather than staying until wednesday. so instead ofaving a second day, things were going so well, flayed agreed among the experts on the framework of something. and what that something is, i ve been told is some kind of a commitment from kim jong-un to denuclearization. the problem, of course, what does that mean? how do we ever verify what he has, because we don t know what he has? the estimates vary from 20 to warheads. we re talking about thousands o people in an underground complex. rachel, you ve been there. you know how complex this is. and from all of our reporting, i ve been there a couple of times, but n at the nuclear weapons sites themselves. this is a very, very mysterious program, and they cheated before kim s father, kim jong il cheated in 1994 and fooled bill clinton. in 2002 his father cheated george w. bush. so all of the experts, all of the cia analysts did not know that he had a second program beyond the plutonium of uranium. that s the kind of thing that we don t know how good he is. is he resting on his laurels? is he agreeing not to test? i don t certainly cite that because he already knows he has the long-range missiles that can reach the american homeland. these are just some of the things that victor cha and also know very well, better than i. that s what we really have to look at. are they going to agree to a peace agreement between north and south, which would actually get in the way of reunionifying the peninsula, because a peace agreement would mean ratifying the existence of north korea. andrea, don t go far from a microphone and a camera, because we ll be coming back to you. while you ve been talking, we have preset cameras in singapore that all the television networks are taking advantage of. we have very little control over the picture we re getting, but we have just watched the vast trump motorcade come through this section on their way to the talks. let s go to our experts here with us in new york, sumi terry and victor cha. sumi, what would you like to add to what we ve heard already as they set the stakes? north korea already has gained. kim jong-un has gained. look at this. he is running around singapore taking selfies, acting a normal leader of a normal country. he has gained international standing, legitimacy. now he is going to sit down with u.s. president, which his father and grandfather had always wanted? as an analyst,e are looking for substance. so president trump cannot come out of this meeting with some vague statement on kim jong-un agreeing to denuclearization. north korea has agreed to denuclearization many times before. what are we talking when we talk denuclearization? we cannot lose sight of our goal which is complete verifiable dismantlement of north korea s nuclear program. even then, agreement as we know we have agreements. they always fell apart over verification and implementation. so we need to have a timeline. they need have a timeline they agree to, a very robust verification regime allowing international inspectors to go into north korea. can i ask you, when you talk about how much kim jong-un has already gained by having the summit set up by being in singapore, by meeting with the u.s. president, why is that so stark? why is that so unusual? what makes him so different? what makes north korea so different as a cntry, that it is a remarkable thing that he would be treated essentially as a normal head of state? because north korea, as you know, the most isolated cultish place. it s not really part of the international norm. it doesn t play by that but it s president trump who has agreed to thi meeting with kim jong-un where previous presidents, this is what kim jong il wanted, kim sun wanted, but now agreeing to sit down we have given him. why do you think he got to meet with president xi jinping twice? china agreed with him after trump decided to meet with kimberly king. now he goes around legitimizing his rule, looking like a normal person, like a normal country. and he has nothing to lose now. regardless of what happens with this summit, he can go back to north korea. he has already weakened the political will in terms of implementing sanctions on the ground. well already have reports of china loosening implementation of sanctions on the ground level. now he is going t go back. the whole world is now thinking he is a normal person. we talked about human rights violationshe looks like a normal person. it s going to be hard to get back to theaximum pressure policy he had before. just to be disappear from our view, an armored mercedes with flags on the front and no license plate on the rear. that s the vehicle carrying kim jong-un into the talks. victor, the imagery, the use of news media is so interesting. there is a chase car behind the motorcycles, but in front of the mercedes with media out the sun roof aiming back at the limousine that would be free media were it our president in this country. it s north korean state-run media because some of these pictures will be turned into postage stamps. some of these pictures will be turned into posters and handouts and leaflets darn near forever. that s right. this is a big meeting for president trump. this is a huge meeting for the north korean leader. they completely control internal commations information. they started putting out information about the united states meeting with pompeo s second trip to north korea, and now they re constructing the narrative. and the narrative is, as rachel said, the world coming to meet the north korean leader because he is now a nuclear weapons state. and that is the domestic narrative. this is a regime. this guy is 34 years old. he took over when was 28, 29 years old. there has been consistent purging within the north korean leadership over these six or seven years. more so than we ve seen when the previous leader, his father took power in 1994. so a very high level purging, which suggest there s is internal churns that he has to prove himself to naysayers within his own system. he purged three people just before this meeting, including the defense minister. so they are constructing a domestic narrative that shows strength, not necessarily compromise and conciliation. to rachel s question why are we all paying attention to this, part of this is because as the international community, we value peace. and they are the threat to peace. and if they want to show this f they want to come out a little bit, everybody comes flocking to them. so this isn t the end, right? after this flight will be a putin meeting. i m sure a putin meeting will drop. xi jinping said he would reciprocate by coming to north korea. he ll probably come to north korea, get a briefing from chairman kim. the prime minister of japan has hinted in his meeting with trump last week that he would like to meet the north korean leader too. so there is a lot more paying homage to this reclusive dictator who is now stepping out. am i right that before this year. kim jong-un had not met with another head of state, and now in year he has met with the south korea, with china, with sing more, now with the united states. soon to be japan. this year, the recognition that he has achieved by this overture from president donald trump has already vaulted him into a completely different realm of international recognition and international engagement, even before today. yes. prior to april, right, prior to april, this leader, who had been in power six or seven years, as far as we know, had never met another foreign leader. that s incredible. never stepped outside the country. within this period of basically a little over a month, he is the toast of the town. everybody wants to meet him. the only person he has met with was dennis rodman. he was the only person he had met. who is not a head of state. well, to be fair. let s define state. can i ask this question, though. the logic of moon jae-in, because we should talk a bit about the south koreans role in this. the philosophy of moon jae-in is basically that we should have diplomatic overtures independent of the nuclear issue, right? essential essentially, to reverse the kind of traditional order which is deal with nuclear issue and then have talks and reconciliation. how much is south korea kind of leading this? and why is it not a good argument, basically, to do that? it s a great int. i think th united states and n the past two negotiation, our number one issue has been denuclearization. the key to everything is they re giving up theiring new clear weapons. what moon jae-in and some in the united states have argued, we have to change the environment first. make them feel secure. change the overall relationship between the united states and north korea, and then let s try to go for the nuclear weapons. moon jae-in, as you said, in december 2017, everybody thought we were going to get pulled into a war with north korea. and he had the olympics coming up in february. and so he was worried about trump, and h was also worried that the north koreans might carry terrorist attack during the olympics. he really generated a lot of this diplomacy on his own. he deserves credit for that. but now we re at the point he cannot script. victor cha, thank you very much for that. in terms of what s going to be happening over the course of this next hour, brian, what are we expecting? we just wanted to bring obviously all of this is fluid. so if we can bring folks what we reexpecting, president trump has, as we said, arrived at the cappella hotel. that s the backdrop for tonight s meeting. top of the hour, that s 9:00 p.m. eastern time. the photo op that will in and of itself make history. the handshake between these two that so many are looking to see at 9:15 eastern time. they go into their first and perhaps only bilateral meeting. again, notable because it will be intimate. just the two leaders. and their respective translators, not the usual note takers, and sometimes alyst and specialists who sit in on that kind of thing. then at 10:00 p.m. eastern time, their aides will be invited to join them. 11:30 eastern time, the two leaders will have what s being called a working lunch. remember, it s the absolute opposite clock from eastern. so 12 hours plus and minus. then at 4:00 a.m. eastern time, the president willpeak to the press. kim jong-un will not be present or the that. in terms of the way this is going to go for us over the course of the evening, i think that we should caution that we think that s going to be the schedule. all of it is we think. we think it is. we should note that andrea just reported on our air that e communique, the agreement that is going to be announced as the outcome of this meeting has already been agreed to. at least as far as nbc news g goes. so that would imply whatever is going to be announced is not going to be something that is negotiated in the room between kim jong-un and donald trump. but that also means that we should just i think expect a little wild card in terms of the timing. choreography is everything at an event like this. and so when the americans announced they re leaving 12 hours early, we don t know whether that s just to get that on the record to make the talks seem like they re progressing. if they cancel tha a agree to stay on and so forth. victor cha had to leave us to go do something for the nbc television network. but look who we are now welcoming into our studio, nick kristof, two-time pulitzer prize winner, currently columnist for the new york times. nick, i ve been anxious to traumati to you on this subject, which is so near and dear to you. your writing on this subject has been fascinating over the past few day. thank you. what s on your mind, as they sit down? well, i mean, i think it s pretty clear that there isn t going to be real denuclearization in any sense that we would think of it. and there may be a commitment to it, but after all, there have been commitmentsing back to 1992. there may be talk about a peace treaty. there was talk about a peace treaty in 2005. so i don t think and i think the way this has all been hastened, suggested there really isn t time to work out major details. so i don t think there is going to be any kind of landmark break agreement. but having said that, i do tnk that it s possible that there is a process set in motion that does reduce tensions, that reduces the risk of war. and there may be a freeze on missile tests, or continuing freeze on missile tests, continuing freeze on nuclear tests. there may be destruction of i m icbms. one of the things that disappoints me is that human rights are not going to be raised. i don t think we should condition any deal on human rights. but i sure think dealing with the most totalitarian country in the world that we should raise this and make clear to north korea that modernity is not about getting the mcdonald s franchised or meeting the u.s. president, but it s about setting in motion a process of becoming a more normal country where you can have radios where you can move the dial and listen to countries, where if somebody is arrested, you don t take three generations of their family and send them off t a labor camp. sue mi terry and victor cha were talking about how this summit, the existence of this event that we re watching tonight, but also what s led up to it and the way that this has brought new legitimacy and international engagement for this leader, we re talking about how that affects him in terms o his grip on his country, and how it affects his relationship with his own people. how do you see that? i think that i think that s exactly right. indeed, my impression is that already kim jong-un has pitched this domestically as look, the u.s. has kind of backed down. we had all these nuclear tests. we had these missile tests. we perfected our arsenal and therefore the u.s. had to back down and the u.s. president had to meet us, something we have been seeking all these years. we have won. i think that s the way they pitched it and in that sense it is a victory. but i would also make the point that it is an awful lot better that the rhetoric we re hearing today than what we were hearing a few months ago where there really was some prospect of a war that would be devastating. there is also to me, there is a broader nonproliferation issue here, right, which is what is the lesson here. i mean, iran before they get a nuclear weapon enters into a verified program with the united states to essentially for the first time since the hostages were taken in the embassy produce some kind of relationship with the u.s., bilateral agreement or multilateral agreement that has verification. north korea gets over the indow. threshold to actually become a nuclear state, and they get the american president with all the pomp and circumstance. the president calling him honorable. that s right. the lesson is if you re a sucker and you enter into a nonproliferation agreement, then you re screwed. if you re not a sucker and you cheat and you manage to get your technology over the threshold, well, then you can kind of call the shots. i think you re giving them too much credit for whatrge w. bush would have called stategerie. i m not saying it s intention. two very former senior intelligence officials say it doesn t matter what happens next. trump has already legitimized north korea as a coequal to the united states. the minute he sits down. the minute his rear end hits that chair, it s over. the game is changed forever. well, what s the practical impact of that? well, we ll be in a position to engage in diplomacy with north korea, who could decide on monday to go back to doing what they re doing in april, threatening to launch, testing icbms. there is no check. there is no vehicle, there is no method for changing their behavior. yet they have been legitimized by an american president. and you can t undo that. but, you know, i do think that engagement over time has had a much better record than confrontation. sure. and it s true that there is this issue, as you point out of legitimizing the regime. we went through that with pakistan and india. this is not a new problem we confront now. i would just remind you again that a few months ago, it really looked as if there was some real possibility that one assessment was that 1.2 million people would be killed on the first day of a nuclear confrontation. most of them south koreans and japanese. just artillery range alone. leave the nukes out of the conversation. artillery range. people warn that risk we shouldn t delude ourselves in that that risk has evaporated. i don t think north korea will go back to provocation in terms of missile and nuclear testing. kim jong-un is very shrewd. he is going in one direction. after he meets with president trump, no matter what happens, i don t think they will return to testing. they re going to hold up because their game is to buy time to wait out this administration. so i think we should be thinking about that possibility. because it s hard for us to react when north korea acts better. it s easier to act when they do provocations. in normal times, how does a president make the human rights argument sitting across from kim jong-un at this meeting? in reading your last column i thought we could relay to the audience how it s done in normal times. in 2007, madeleine albright went to pyongyang. he iought the assistant secretary for human rights to the table. as a presence. and i think that it s i think it would be dangerous to condition any deal on, okay, you have to open up your labor camps you have to do this, that to the red cross. i don t think that would be useful. i sure think it s worth the u.s. side pointing out, look, if you want to become respected around the world, then you can have 100,000 people in labor camps. you can t send three generations of people to these camps. you can t ban any kind of outside information. yo can t when people are returned from china, you can t immediately send them off to camps, in some cases strung together with wire connected. you to allow some freedom of religion. you have to have some progress. and our japanese allies, they ve had so many people kidnapped by the north koreans. they re begging us to raise these issues, and megumi yak cota, 13 years old, kidnapped along the coast as she was walking home from school. how can we not raise that issue and tell north korea, look, if you want to improve relations, if you want to help solve this issue, then let s tell us what happened to megumi. in raising the issue of japan and south korea both here, obviously they are close allies of ours. they re also countries to which we are formally bound in terms of defending them and protecting them, and that s that s been a pillar on which not only our relations, but international relations in that part of the world are based. the japanese government wanted to approach this in aoint way with the united states, and the united states appears to have not beennterested in doing that. how much damage has the president done to our relationship with those close allies by pursuing this in this way? well, prime minister abe, he invested so much in this relationship with president trump. and then he suddenly realized that it got him nowhere. everything was transactional, and at the moment he doesn t have anything to offer president trump so he is just out in the cold. i think he s he s been kind of horrified by that. i think it s a little different with south korea. i do think that there you have a lieder who has really quite successfully manipulated president trump. oh, president trump, your leadership has made this all happen, and nobel peace prize. i think other people have seen that president moon has been so effective at that, and other leaders try to emulate that model. president moon has done a masterful job in orchestrating this on both sides. chris hayes, that assumes our president is manipulatable somehow. i sometimes can t tell if his super power is that everyone thinks they re not going to be the mark and he is the mark. he does have a what he is able to do is not care enough to get through every successive interaction. and other people are burdened by caring. shinzo abe. other people are burdened by a set of conceptions of their fidelity or duties to the state they represent. he is kind of unburdened by that. i don t think anyone thinks donald trump cares in in some deep way as a person like the substance of the matter. is there verified denuclearization. is there a move towards when in the state of the union address, there is this ode to human rights in north korea. and then all of the sudden then they disappear, or we care about human rights in iran, but all of the sudden we re willing to meet with a country. i ve been in iran. i ve been arrested in iran. north korea just a different order of magnitude. we re talking things that weren t put on the table. just look at what s on the table. they re not even set up for success for what they as an administration put on the table. pompeo did a press conference where what he put on the table as a definition of success is the complete and verifiable denuclearization of the korean peninsula. donald trump went up 15 minutes later, i just want to have a good hang. right. my touch, my feel. within hours that. had different expectations set for the meeting. so you re talking about something that was never put on the table by the trump administration. but donald trump is also unburdened by the things that the men and women around him have promised publicly, the things they testified to in front of congress, whether it s about russia or north korea. he is not only unburdened by an outcome because he doesn t understand any of them or understand any other issues that should be on the table, he is unburdened by his own appointees have promised on tv three hours earlier. but i would make the point that okay, we re not going to get real denuclearization any time soon. we re not going to get a deal that is halfway as good as the iran deal. by those standards, this is going to fa. but those aren t the only standards to judge what comes out. i m just saying as an administration, they have today put out two very different benchmarks for success. yeah. i guess i m just apprehensive that progressives are having seen the way conservatives and republicans responded to the iran deal are going to respond in kind to an incomplete, imperfect although i think progressives are hardwired to think talking is better. to me, it s this really deeper question about can you take if the president of the united states donald trump today said he wanted he was going to get behind single payer, you would say this is going to end in tears. yes, in the abstract, sure. in abstract. but do i want this individual to carry out this thing? the answer would be you would be totally rational to be skeptical about that. absolutely. i think that s more the situation people find themes. sue mi terry, nick chris of the kristof, we re going to fit in our first eak. we saw some rental car looking vance come in. that was the very e of the motorcade. we have every reason to believe that all the vehicles are where they re supposed to be. there i a carport. there is a portico with a fan and a red carpet. so we ll watch. this you watch what we put out there. is two gentlemen near the carport. who are not famous people. and we ll come blaze out of this commercial break should anything happen otherwise. our live continues on the other side. does this map show the peninsula trail? you won t find that on a map. i ll take you there. take this left. if you listen real hard you can hear the whales. oop. you hear that? (vo) our subaru outback lets us see the world. sometimes in ways we never imagined. looking for a hotel that fits. whoooo. .your budget? tripadvisor now searches over. .200 sites to find you the. .hotel you want at the lowest price. grazi, gino! find a price that fits. tripadvisor. center. again, this is the only news we have on this subject. it is from the president s twitter feed. joining us now from singapore is nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander, who is looking into what we know here. peter, what can you tell us? well, rachel, obviously the president just breaking this news on his twitter as he awaits this one-on-one with kim jong-un. we last saw larry kudlow back in washington as he was doing interviews following the g7. kudlow, among others was defending the president in this latest feud with america s ally, particularly its neighbor to the north, canada, saying the president had to lash out at justin trudeau because he couldn t appear weak in advance of his meeting here with kim jong-un. he was there by the president s side, now in an iconic photo of this division that exists between the u.s. and its allies. standing alongside angela merkel and others as the pattasat stone-faced a as they pssed him in what was a contentious visit. larry kudlow joined the president s team only a matter of months ago. he was one person, like many of the others the president has invited in who the president liked. he viewed him as someone who spoke his language. he was a contemporary, roughly the same age, a friend dating back to kudlow s days on cnbc. he of course is a friend of this network, having served for cnbc as a commentator and an analyst for many years. again, the president breaking this news that larry kudlow had a heart attack, that he is being treated at walter reed right w. he was never scheduled to be a part of the delegation here. so the last time we saw him publicly was after he wrapped up that conversation between the president and his allies at the g7. back to you, rachel. thank you. peter alexander, correspondent for nbc news. the president is breaking this news. we do not have an additional source on this. but the president saying that larry kudlow who is white house chief economic adviser has suffered a heart attack and is now at walter reed medical center. well don t have any additional information about the seriousness of this incident or mr. kudlow s condition. but obviously a lot of concern for both of us in the news biz who know him from this world, but also for everybodyeceiving this news tonight. this also means, no to put too fine a point on it, that in the moments prior to shaking the hand of kim jong-un, the president tweeted out this news about his long-time friend and now aide larry kudlow. this also means that there are perhaps, god forbid, kudlow family members who did not know this news until it showed up on the twitter feed of donald trump. peter is right. larry kudlow has been known to a lot of us for a lot of years. he is a man who dealt with addiction very publicly, very forthrightly, rebuilt his life. he was an economic official going back to the reagan years. so obviously thoughts are with larry kudlow tonight. we ve been joined by two gentlemen here in new york, chris matthews is with us having just gotten off the air with tonight s edition of hardball, and ben rhodes is with us. ben joins us, as they say, from the obama administration. former deputy national security adviser to president barack obama. if you ve been on an amazon or a bricks and mortar bookstore the last couple days you saw his new book that just came on to the market. both of them always have books. a lot of administrations represented here have. you noticed? yeah, that strue. let me ask you. we ve been talking a lot thus far this hour about the decision to hold this summit. not necessarily what we re going to learn as the outcome of the summit. we ll find out over the course of the evening. how did that what was the process around deciding things like this? the obama administration? who do you decide to say yes to when they ask for a meeting with the president of the united states, and how do you decide? you look from opening, rachel. with cuba we saw an opening and reached out to the cubans to see if they wanted to establish an open channel. but i met with raul castro ayson 20 times before we put obama in the room with raul castro. it took a lot of prep work, well over a year or two. what iouthis, what i feel happened here is that they were on a road to conflict. president moon in south korea was very uneasy with that. he took the initiative. he brought that back to the white house. but then trump kind of took this out of the hands of the south koreans and accelerated this process to get to this summit. normally you would have much longer lead time to develop the agenda, to figure out, as nicolle was saying, what are we trying to achthe meeting before we put the president in the room, how are we going to be positioned coming out of this. the south koreans took the initiative. trump wanted the show and here we all are. it wasn t just the south koreans. he literally took the south koreans out of chairman mcmaster s office. if you go back to how it actually happen it was a meeting that trump wasn t even supposed to participate it in. it have been someone with your job doing the groundwork. it s still not clear what the south koreans were proposing, they were probably coming to say kim is open to talking which is north koreans have always been open to doing. trump short circuits that thing, has it announced that night. opens the door to the lower press offi i believe there was a mueller story in the news that day. it doesn t feel like foreign po puthe way. that is not how you or we would have done this, right? you would have taken a lot of time just to announce this summit. i just want to set back here for a second. everybody is going to be focused on the show tonight. the rest of the world is going to be rearranging itself to this event. and they re looking at a couple of things. they re lookingthe fact that we re coming into this event, having just had a fight with all of our closest allies in the world, unprecedented rupture in the atlantic alliance. a big performative fight. substantive and performative. there is substantive and vitriol from president trump. if i m sitting there in south korea and thinking this is the ally, the united states that i rely on for my survival, are you really going to trust that donald trump is a reliable partner, that he is going to follow through not onlyn whatever he says to kim jong-un, but on the surt assurances we give to them? frankly, i see it as reordering in the world over the next couple years rooted in some of the things see we saw this week, not just this summit, but what we saw at the g7. can we talk about how this is different than a normal process. what is the risk of not having a note taker in the room? what s the risk of the president bragging that he hasn t prepared and we have no reason to disbelieve himn that. it seems like he hasn t prepared. obviously, it s strange. it s a departure. but is it dangerous, or is it just odd? well, there are a few places i could go here. one, you always have a note taker for a simple reason. even when obama was alone in the room whether with whoever it might have been, putin, anybody else. reason y a note taker is there is clarity on what was agreed to and what wasn t. there is a huge risk that donald trump and kim jong-un could walk out of that discussion with very different ideas of what they lad just talked about or what they just agreed to. the note taker is the that can read out the rest of the u.s. government on what happened. right now the only person who will know what was discussed in that room was donald trump. will he tell his own government about what was discussed? will his representation of what was discussed accurate or will he try to make himself look better in his read-out to his own team. en, do interpreters ever play a dual role. in terms of direct recall of the subject matter when think they get out of the room? no. you would not want to put an interpreter in that position. their position is to be thinking only about one thing, how am i translating these words are that are spoken. they re not trained. it s not their position, their job to thinking howm i going to read out the national security adviser and the secretary of state over what was discussed. so the concern here is that donald trump and kim jong-un probably not the two most trustworthy people in the world are the only people who are going to know what is discussed in this, besides the interpreters. and that is that s a t whole reason why you always have somebody. i have been assuming that the interpreters had a dual role. i had been assuming that the interpreter is some master spy. let s talk about definitions. i ve been studying on this there is a problem of specificity here. which we say denuclearization of the peninsula. and what kim means by that is we get rid of our troops. we ve got to get rid of the nuclear umbrella, the trip wire at the 38th parallel. we take out the works, leaving south korea exposed to their artillery, to their firepower. and who won that one? we just lost. now does trump know, do you think, ben, when they say denuclearization, they mean we get out, we remove the umbrella from japan, we remove the umlarom south korea, we get our troops out? that s what i m worried about. i m talking about ending the state of war between the two countries. the minute you start talking like that tonight in the first magic minute, i m thinking wait a minute, they re talking about us leaving. no matter what else they re talking about, they re not talking about nuclear. they re saying we re going to have a peace treaty between north and south. and then you re going to leave and we re going to denuclearization the peninsula. in other words, you re taking everything you ve got out. and at some point down the road we may stop developing our nuclear program which we re going to keep ready to do, and they re going to win. the two things, as has been said, they ve committed to denuclear rise time and again in the past. if they commit to denuclear rise which trump will lift up, it doesn t mean anything until we can get on the ground and see that they re following a road map to denuclearize. will they give us a list of their weapons tonight? not just a list. well need a list and international inspections. well need to have people to verify this. the other thing is, chris, trump has been saying for years why do we have troops in south korea? why do we have troops in japan. there is a track record of him saying we shouldn t provide the security guarantee here. one of the winners out this could be china. they re sitting there thinking i would like nothing more than to have the united states pull back from northeast asia. we want to fill that void. they re already filling it. they re making their own islands. yes. people feel like we are backing out now, and the chinese are moving in. the one exception to that has generally been our treaty allies in south korea and japan. if there is any kind of i think that we re putting troops in that region, that s going to be game changer in how people look at geopolitics in asia. the president might not even see it as a concession. he is too willing to give away the troop card. this is what i m definitely afraid of, this is going to put that on the table not even as a concession because he actually doesn t think we need the troops there. he has done it before. we had a meeting with vladimir putin and a russian translator. and we were left with a he said-he put the russian translator in the position of going out and telling the press i mean, trump has done this before. in terms of what else the president might see as a not too valuable thing that would be okay to give away, what about this issue of a peace treaty? the north korea and south korea split in 1948. there s cessation of hostiliti in 1953 but we don t have a peace treaty. technically hostiliti a still ongoing, which seems insane and is like a weird way to think about it. what would it be substantively to move toward a peace treaty, to move toward that sort of an agreement? well, for north korea what it would mean is a diminution of our presence in the korean peninsula. that would start with us ceasing certain military exercises in the region. it would then move to us moving certain military hardware out of the region. sxumtly it would get at this question of whether there should be u.s. troops in south korea. because technically they re there as part of the arrangement where we re providing to it their security given that there is no peace agreement. so for the north koreans, look, be very clear as you re talking about, it i m a progressive, i like like talking better than fighting. but my worry here is he s going to put stuff on the table you that shouldn t put at the beginning of the process. the north koreans want a nuclear deterrent. they want international legitimacy. they want sanctions relief. and they want less u.s. military presence in asia. and donald trump s already talked about wanting to give all four of those things. north koreans don t need to ask for reduction of troops. all they have to ask for is a peace treaty because it sounds good. it sounds historic. who d argue against ending the war? except the problem is it removes the legal justification that s right. and other kinds of political rationale for us having our troops in south korea. so it will come up. south koreans will later ask, we don t have war anymore. even americans might say why do we have our troops in south korea, didn t we end the war, let s bring the boys home. that really just undercuts the rationale for our troop presence. that s the giveaway, isn t it? if they push in that direction in the first couple hours that s what he s pushing for. that s what he s saying by saying we need regime security. and the japanese are very scared of that. another one of our veteran analysts has joined us, that s jeremy bash, former chief of staff at cia, former chief of staff at pentagon. so his bona fides are clear and on point for this conversation. jeremy, if you ve been listening to the conversation, then you know several people have made the point that this is before the first hand shaikh, before the first photograph of the two together victory north korea. a summit is not an accomplishment for the american president, brian. it is a major accomplishment for kim jong un. in fact, the spectacle of seeing the american flags along with the dprk flags as the backdrop for that handshake is really jarring actually to see, to witness. in fact, i would say it s somewhat disgusting. it is actually a debasement of the american flag. this is a despotic regime that murders its own citizens. and we re putting him on the same stage as the american president. now, hopefu it will serve a larger purpose. which is to ensure security for american interests and our allies on the peninsula. and obviously you see there the arrival. carrying his briefing book. kim jong un getting out of his armored mercedes. and going into the older portion of this building. and we ll see if we have other cameras to switch to after his vehicle clears. jeremy, go ahead. he s arrived on sentosa island at the hotel resort where the meeting it will take place. and as i was saying, the mere fact that he ll be standing at that shot that you see on your screen there alongside the american president is a major accomplishment for the north korean dictator. we should not lose sight of the fact. the second thing is this has been alluded to on the panel before, is north korea has according to published reports 60 nuclear weapons. they have a plutonium processing facility at yongbyon. they have probably a very sophisticated uranium enrichment program in which they are spinning cascades, centrifuges in which they are building additional capability to develop nuclear weapons through that path. they have long-range intercontinental ballistic muscles which can hit chicago and denver. the only yard chic, brian, which which we can measure success of this entire process is not whatever statement comes out tonight. it s whether those missiles, those weapons, those nuclear faciti are removed and the danger is removed the threat to the united states and our allies. that s the only metric upon which we can measure whether this is at all successful. jeremy, let me ask you another math question, and that is this. take nukes out of the conversation. seoul is a metropolitan area give or take 35 miles from the border. how many artillery tubes are embedded in those mountains aimed at seoul and its surrounding suburban area? probably 50,000 to 100,000. there s no anti-rocket artillery mortar system in the wor t could defend the population of seoul from an onslaught from north korea. one of the concerns we ve had is when the trump administration was talking publicly about a potential first strike, a first strike against north korea, the concern of course was that north korea would retaliate not necessarily against the united states but against seoul. and now you see the additional this is tape playback. the playback of the arrival of kim jong un at the hotel there as he enters the building and gets ready for his historic meeting with president trump. as someone recently said, that the mercedes limousine has been the favorite of dictators and spots going back decades around the world. you just see the no license plate thing and it just puts a little shiver down your spine. you know what i m saying? that ll get you pulled over in new york. jeremy, i had one question for you about previous experience with the north koreans and talks. obviously, no u.s. president has ever talked to a north korean dictator before. madeleinelbright was there i 20 and we ve had former president jimmy carter there. we ve had former president bill clinton there. there s been different talks around hostage releases and other sorts of things. when north koreans in the past have cheated on disarmament deals, when they cheated in 1994, when they cheated in 2002, when they reneged on deals, did we learn anything from that? is there anything that s more sophisticated about our interactions and negotiations with them now because of that previous experience of them playing previous u.s. administrations? yes, we ve learned many things, rachel. there was a very significant incident in the early 2000s in which during one the engagements with the north koreans they acknowledged the fact that they had a uranium enrichment path to a bomb in additiono the plutonium path and of course once the six-party talks broke down of course in 2006 north korea detonated its first nuclear test and since then we ve seen six nuclear tests. last summer we were probably at the height of provocation with those two overflights of japan, bm he is tests and other nuclear tests. they have made great progress. and i think it s fair to say one of the reasons why kim jong un believes he has the standing, the ability to stand next to the american president at this hour is because he has achieved a level of nuclear deterrent, that he s effectively achieved his aims in the region and now he s able to trade away a little of that deterrent for a security guarantee. and i agree with the earlier panelist who noted that if we come outonight with a statement about a peace treaty that is precisely what kim jong un wants. and president trump wants it because there s no such thing as nobel denuclearization prize. there s only a nobel peace prize. i just spotted the still photographer william mcnamee. that would indicate that the white house still press pool is there. so we have journalists from the united states and state-run media from north korea. we are expecting it s interesting, politics editor here at nbc news was noting earlier this hour that at the g7, which president trump has just come from in canada, he was late to everything at the g7, all the different meetings. this seems to be rolling out quite punctually this evening. which is why we re watching the clock along with the live feeds. we ve seen kim jong un arrive to emerge unsmiling from that big black mercedes limousine. holding a briefing book and walking straight into the venue. we are expecting president trump momentarily and we are expecting a handshake, and that moment will be the culmination of decades of effort by the north korean regime, by kim jong un, by his father and by his father before him, in terms of trying to achieve this as the ultimate imprimatur of international legitimacy. president trump has bestowed that already. and now we re about to see it made manifest as the president arrives. here is the president s limousine now coming up to that same entrance where we saw kim jong un dropped off by comparison this is the brand new cadillac limousine that has been airlifted halfway around the world. let s see if we have any audio from this, and otherwise we ll just take in the pictures of the president s arrival.
you can still see the does darkening the martian atmosphere well that storm actually put another mars rover the solar powered opportunity out of action curiosity will take drill samples on the ridge before heading to its next location . they re up to date now on g.w. news so we ll have more at the top of the hour omarion evans dean from all of us in the newsroom here in berlin thanks for the company and feasting. on. his work. as for tonight. the monstrous and. twenty. welcome to kino from the venice international film festival well it s been a while since myself and my colleagues. been developed but we just had to come this year i mean venice this year. the stars the films the buzz i mean if i m honest i think. they would have left the light up look at films like first man with ryan gosling or a star is born but they have your own superstar lady gaga yeah i mean the line up this year in venice made it even more difficult for the jury under president. to pick this year s winners in particular the golden lion. the venice awards crown but was an amazing festival mexican director alfonso cuarón deservedly took the golden lion for the most personal film of his career. is stark and intense shot in shark black and white tells the story of his childhood in mexico in the one nine hundred seventy s. . this film is an ode to the women who shaped his mother and his name. they survived all the trials life throws at them and hold the family together. the ground ground grand prize goes to the favorite by your girlfriend thanks ben says a runner up on her also want to direct the spotlight on women. the favorite is a bizarre british period drama dearest. how does the kingdom in queen anne s court three women engage in a nasty dance of power and intrigue deliciously played by emma stone rachel weisz and as queen the phenomenal olivia colman the british t.v. star won venice is prize for best actress. and centrism nuptials i thought we could raise the money i was in seeing. female characters represented in cinema and in an interesting complex way as human beings they re usually the housewife or the girlfriend or the opposite building desires. strong women and powerful artists. willem dafoe won best actor on earth for his role as an aging mad genius vincent van gogh. and you have my paintings thank this year s venice with an appetizer perhaps for the coming oscar season. well we ll see how the film celebrated in venice this year due next year at the oscars because the venice film festival has become a platform for the academy awards ever since films like spotlight birdman or the shape of water premier here and went on to win the oscar for best film won director in venice who already has an oscar is florian henckel fun dawna s mark who won for his very first film the lives of others with his new movie never look away he s trying to make it a two piece and the film is really a cinematic tour de force it s the story of a german family told through three generations and their struggles for life love and the pursuit of artistic freedom. client angle from donna smock is a penchant for complicated stories his latest film is the one john one competing at the venice film festival thomas mok took seven years to make as an expectation to highlight. the film tells the story of cortana out into the high pitched into enemy. just watched most of the best as. i not have a scam. they re best at thomasville in place the young east german who wants to become an artist by itself i ve been called just annoyed because his biggest critic is his own father in law the greater leader who considers no. actor designers and that s all brilliantly portrayed by. the two rivals bound by a traumatic event in the past. as we had first and yet what fascinated me was that i had the possibility to depict how interwoven victims and perpetrators are within a family i found that intriguing like the public responds the film shot cuts life beginning with his childhood in nazi germany was that us would constitute. the boys aren t his only son might but she is mentally l. . see the effect the victim command he will become his father in law as jointly responsible for the nazis euthanasia program and elizabeth is one of its victims. it s a lost cut never gets over even in adult hood in east germany could begin his studies at the arctic atomy where he meets the love of his life and he s a bond he also need to step father but is oblivious to his past because a band has adapted nicely to life in the g.d.r. but the story goes on you are the one of us lawyers. who believe. that i ll get us to magazine associate if you die of a kurt flees to the west and is accepted into the world renowned does a lot of academy about is that it would surely. is that of high. no real life names are mentioned but the film clearly reflects events in the life of god and other artistic greats from a time like yours the voice. down as marcus said many times he didn t want to make a biopic he wanted to tell a story about the nature of art never look away is intensely less than three hours long it s an ambitious work and the challenge for the audience. is to find on his mark in never look away and the lives of others you take a look at german history and the light of victims and perpetrators. who seem to be fascinated by both why. many authors always the eternal question what would one of done back then for exactly this relationship between perpetrators and victims in this case within a family that i find so fascinating because it was like that throughout the whole country to a certain extent our country was a big family of victims and perpetrators after nine hundred forty five or also after nine hundred eighty nine and i think you can t really tell or countries big stories without that relationship. or shows that the english tell your film is never look away what is it that we should look away from. i saw it more as the kind of thing the anti says to the boy in the film always question its truth. and make your own mind up about things but looking closely at them without judging them that s actually the most important thing to always take a good close look at things that s what s meant. the stomach or mind is into you know we re here in venice you have a special relationship with this city you made your second film here the tourist. what was your most intense experience. i had. we had these huge stars and julian and jolie and johnny depp. and in every scene on a tiny intimate square we had thousands of people standing around and before every single take i had to grab the microphone and tell them we re really glad that you love our stars so much but please try not to scream and julianna and johnny so loudly while we re filming. ok stop me if you ve heard this one before a has been performing discovers a younger talent and decides to hitch his wagon to a rising star now that s the plot of a star is born a story that s been told and retold for hollywood history in fact there s been three film versions of a star is born perhaps the most famous being the one from the one nine hundred seventy s. starring barbra streisand and kris kristofferson for the twenty eighteen edition we have instead of kris kristofferson bradley cooper who also directs but the real surprise is his leading lady none other than pop icon lady gaga in her film debut. with. bradley cooper plays musician jack mayne he used to be successful now he s an alcoholic. is the first time i worried about a. man has lost his grip but then he sees allie played by lady gaga and he knows instantly she s cop what it takes to be a star just like in real life. while we were filming this movie we also had the opportunity watching and being a part of watching her seeing him every day and it was literally the whole crew would just sit back and we were all we all kind of forgot we were even doing a job. as a parent on the red carpet was one of the most magical moments of the festival. it was if the public had been waiting for it for years. for pratley cooper i i what i love so much about working with bradley is that you know there was a true exchange you know he accepted me as an actress and i accept him fully as a musician and. i a star is born is almost as old as hollywood itself in the one nine hundred seventy six version of the film streisand and kris kristofferson play the love struck couple. prosecutor turns a story into a modern romance where both artists meet on equal terms. sean penn rush on to say that it was one of the best films he d seen in years and we fell in love to. star turn. for six. years. that s all from our special from the venice international film festival for more on this year s festival and all this year s winners check out our website we re back next week from a very different festival from the germantown. until then it s a really good actually from that trial. flubs. your max highlights. love oh that s the best laugh. because region just 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thank you because that on the it will be because of what i have serious problems on a personal level and i was unable to live there more than once i m going to. want to know their story margaret steer a fine model in farming for margaret s. high we want to welcome to another exciting edition of your remarks with me your host meghan lee as always we are making our way around to all the cultural in europe here s a look at what s coming up. riding the waves the portuguese resort of nazarene is a surfers paradise. telling the tale a new film for trains on street lim grinned younger years. and taking it to the top featuring an austrian patisserie high up in the alps. we start off the show on the water one of the best surf spots in the world is located off the portuguese coast in here top surfing athletes take to the water like fish and conquer mountain highways for a true adrenaline rush well this fort is not for amateurs the surfers wear special gear in case that the waves overtake them we went along to meet some of these adrenaline junkies and watch them in action. it s known as the beast of nasser a huge waves have pulled many fishermen to their death on this part of the portuguese coast. today those same waves draw the very best of the big waves surfers from all around the world surface like sebastian story there from germany winter is his favorite time of year he spent the last few months preparing for the surfing singson. one of the one of the more months and months go by where nothing happens but every day you have to work towards your goal to be successful but the reason i do it is because i love it. sebastian is a professional surfer at the age of sixteen he moved to hawaii but he spends the winter months here in portugal on just a few days in winter between november and february the monster waves here on the coast can reach heights of up to twenty five meters money because the answers were to my greatest fear isn t dying i don t worry about sustaining terrible injuries either. let s i think it s the competitor in me that worries. my greatest fear is missing out on the biggest wave of the mystical surveillance ocean just off the coast of nasa ray this is shoojit undersea canyon that runs five thousand meters deep it causes the water to build up creating towering waves it s thanks to the canyon that nasa ray has some of the biggest waves in the world and that has changed the town which is home to some fifteen thousand people it was once a place of pilgrimage now surfers and tourists from around the world flocked to the town making it an all year round attraction. so they are going to give us a obviously we do miss our old nestle a sometimes but only a bit because actually we re proud. our town is known the world over. at the traditional restaurant. locals and surface come together to swap stories about the wild waves. when they really want to. use wasn t when we first came here in two thousand and twelve they all thought we were crazy this is a fishing community and folks grew up hearing about all the fishermen who died when their boats capsized. and about death beach and the waves that turned women into widows. now we servers have almost become local heroes and are treated as such going on with marina pereira is the second generation of her family to run the restaurant the place used to cater to fishermen now it s a fixed address to international surf as. sebastian is like a son to me i take care of the guys they turn up here frozen and i serve them hot soup they love it let us open. up until i used to go no one who did to go surfing here it was petro pisco the first realize massah raise weights could be a hit so he wrote to the big white circus around the world and invited them to come . to see much more of the surf he says something about the attract every single person we all get better you see crazy guy surfing you don t go bring down a model a mountain of water that is chasing you finally the time has come for sebastian story to get out on to the water he can hardly wait to scan the tight image now for the fun part there s no nerves or tension at all just pure pleasure for. wearing an airbag vest which would bore him up in an emergency he heads out to sea ten people are here to assist in doctors lifesavers. away spacek and his jet ski drive is hutto him to the right position he glides easily down the fifteen made to wait as though it were effortless. in the moment the moment i actually surf the wave it s all just instinct i don t think any more it just happens but you know. there are only around ten people worldwide who surf on waves of this size thousands come to watch for the small town of nazareth it s a gift that big wave surface have transformed the place and given it a new sense of pride. from on the water to in the water and fish in malta received a visit from santa claus more on that and other stories in the spirit of the christmas season coming up in today s express. it seems there s nothing santa con to do he s even dived into a giant aquarium to bring the fish a little holiday cheer he came bearing gifts of fish food for the fish and sharks that swim in the biggest tank of maltose national aquarium in kwara center in vis case it s keeper alex rodriguez is dropping clues feeding the fish anyway whether or not the sea creatures recognized him in the skies we ll probably never know. the sauna is a part of life in finland even at the christmas market christmas shoppers can stop by to enjoy the high temperatures and to chat. up the boast that i m no. different from everybody is he. and it s very easy musical. saunas in public places used to be commonplace in finland. but as more and more people installed them in their homes they disappeared from view. now the communal saunas are enjoying something of a revival. sarahs and a bed of belgium has set up a christmas village in his yard and decorated it with thousands of lights that even feature santa claus s office. says his son over early on plays the jolly elf listens to children s wishes the family s been working on the village since september. so john event took a month off work to complete it. turning down to one of the most famous guitarists of all time mark no fleur former front man of dire straits since the band broke up in one nine hundred ninety five no floor has concentrated on a solo career he recently brought out a new album called down the road where ever which includes his typical rock n roll style but also brings in some soul and jazz and hear from him now about how this new album came about. cut. through. this thing called good on you son is about being at peace with yourself and mark knopfler very much is. a bridge to the like. we visited him at his studio in london this is where he recorded his new album. with an earthy i don t try to interfere with the mystery of it too much the soul is like a child you know in a way you have to let it just grow and be itself for me too me to feel too much you know and it s a bit like choosing the best school if you have a for you for your kid too soon there s schumann s. sky his blue. ribbon. is one. his new songs always turn out best when times almost stand still like in matchstick man which takes a look back at his beginnings as a musician. what does he see i think i in the middle of nowhere just a matchstick man. you spoke of if there was a sort of a button fastening competition or something i promise you i would be lost i mean there s lots and lots of things that i seem to do slowly i mean walking down the street i get overtaken by old ladies going to the post office and so i don t seem to be able to do anything particularly quick. he was already twenty eight when he co-founded dire straits by that stage he played in countless bands and worked as a journalist and as an english teacher it was nine hundred seventy seven a time when punk and disco were exploding in britain dire straits seemed almost old fashioned at first with their. cool blues rock sultans of swing was their first big hit. then m.t.v. started out with their increasingly mainstream sound the band fit perfectly to the station s us american music profile. mark knopfler solo career has now lasted longer than his time with dire straits two very different chapters of his life. you can t really compare them i think both and a lot of ways because the first achieved so much of the dream stuff that you want to you know to actually get there. was very important you know that just it was brilliant it was great you know and i loved it. i loved the whole thing it until it became so big that i just stopped enjoying it. in the eighty s the band rose into the league of mega stars with the album brothers in arms the digitally produced album helped to make the compact disc popular dire straits was the first band to sell more c d s of the album than vinyl over a million and all until they split up in one thousand nine hundred five they played all the world s large stadiums. next year mark knopfler will go on tour again of course with his very own special guitar sound. guitar teacher would say. you know i play guitar like a promise you know but it s too late for me to. to correct. those mistakes i m afraid it s. definitely worth a listen ok if swedish author astrid lindgren were alive today she d probably be a spokesperson for single mothers not only did she penned the famous pippi longstocking stories she had to work hard to maintain custody of her illegitimate son and that was back in the one nine hundred twenty s. her personal story is full of intrigue and challenge and it s now been brought to the silver screen and the film becoming a straight danish director pair neil christiansen per trey s the writer s lesser known side. of this line comes down to. where did the famous children s book author get her exuberant attitude towards life the movie centers on the three years and young asteroids like that she only spoke about decades later and only very little she was wild non-conformist and downright rebellious much like her character pippi longstocking . she has i mean she is the most. amazing fantasy and i think that has a lot to do about her childhood to grow up in the countryside in kind of freedom where she could just play around then just. be free. to move to sweden astrid langridge grew up here in the one nine hundred twenty s. in a free but conservative society her father was a tenant farmer. her mother deeply devout. by the time she was eighteen she was eager to experience life. though michael newspaper was looking for a trainee at and she took the job. so i tell ya don t interest us start the title side machine nothing least so const. i had. to stop and about ask. for her first assignment she boarded a train and discovered her passion for writing but then a young unmarried astrid became pregnant a scandal in sweden at the time. passes to pick out what he had not lost. on the nights he still tells that this kind of almost out of weeks and he had stopped us to go to the undertaker nothing to us about the nice guy so i know who. it better than plans. and telling. someone get cursed me meant that i d let the fun. bloke wound up looking like tom dynamite. then he said he should hide until. the next consumer. the editor who fathered the child persuaded astrid to leave her baby son last in the care of a boston mother indefinitely. she endured the ordeal of being forced to give up her child because of moral religious and personal constraints. the kind of thank you didn t mean a lesson by us they might just like us. he said as a tattoo he s making. there were so many women that went through the same and there and some of them even worse things and it s just not been easy for those women and that s why it s so important to just remind people of this this history can the many of. us. to listen. astrid visited last as often as she could but he clung to his foster mother and most muslims. and beneath and what am i. to the best of what he can push the next there can t be. yes a hit and then an actual i knew sort of. what the mugger august shines as lingering . after young astrid leaves the baby s father she plunges into a new life and tries to forget her despair. her sorrow at having to give up her son for a time may have been what drove her to write the stories which have been enjoyed by millions of children. being so lost in the in those things has affected her. and her writing and she had said show empathy for children also and that must have. to do with the loss i think. in other stories about this lonely kids. becoming astrid tells the highly emotional story of how astrid lingering uses her imagination and knack for storytelling to reconnect with her son and boards a new path for herself. yet the film never resorts to kids her path us rather it s an ode to courage inner strength and finding your own voice. when last as boster mother becomes gravely ill astrid brings her son back to stockholm slowly she wins him over with her love and her stories. interest. and stuff and downcast and i just asked. specially really miss her today us says we need her today because she could say things outloud and she was not so scared i. want to know more about european lifestyle and culture visit euro max on facebook. you ll find highlights from our programs. three hundred sixty degree videos of the most beautiful places in europe and snapshots taken by our reporters take an exclusive look behind the scenes at how the program is produced and follow us on facebook live. we do love it when fans visit our facebook page and give us their feedback visit d.w. euro max on facebook. time now for some dessert and kaiser shrine is one of australia s most popular sweets it s basically like a pancake that s been all cut up in a served with sugar and cherry sauce on the side now it s quite decadent but it manages to hit the spot on those chilly winter days and what better place to eat it then on a mountaintop. to pit called lazy it s austria s highest ski resort here the ski season lasts until may three restaurants feed hungry winter sports enthusiasts one atop the glazier that s almost three thousand five hundred metres above sea level and the others at an elevation of almost three thousand metres. after a day on the slopes as can enjoy delicious helping all kinds of snow on the sweet days just as much a part of austrian identity as the alps. wonderful just like my grandma used to make it. nearby you ll find austria s highest participatory stephany s is hard at work here paying pastries and kinds of smarts. you put it everything is produced up here in the bakery we make all the desserts for the two restaurants the bits that in custom and we also supply cafe three for forty with fresh cake and. eat. every morning that is sent up by cable car to austria s highest coffeehouse cafe three four forty it lies six hundred meters about the bakery aside from the fantastic there s another treat for visitors at the so-called place yes no cake. course on the coconut fine apple very fluffy very large if you get it fresh it s quite magical and certainly recommended. but operating a sky high bakery has it s pitiful it s. about three thousand four hundred forty meters the boiling point is different so if we know that the weather will change will produce the biscuit bases a day early because otherwise they might not be so fluffy and could fall apart on inside us and if so shouldn t. milk eggs flour sugar that s all. kinds of smarm doesn t require any delicate preparation just mix the milk in flour then separate the eggs and beat the egg white with sugar until stiff. it s coming out now that it s nice and foamy will do the famous test that. it should be like this. at the rest of the act to the mixture. then to give it its airy consistency gently fold in the egg whites nearly all men. on the pits todd glacier we don t use mineral water and. we prefer egg whites. then the stays moist longer the piped in soft. by no. means i don t. see where you re coming you know now we can add some raisins on the glacier we put in raisins but you can leave them out if you wish. we sell up to four tons of man in the winter season that s one hundred fifty to two hundred portions a day. should be baked for five minutes on the outside and then it s ready. stephany s i m too low also supply. to restaurants. and clips. to get his name from a pancake that went wrong. during emperor france use if. but when a pancake fell apart due to cooking it was scrambled up and served. the emperor loved it and the emperor scrambled all kinds of smaller. so now it s just missing the icing sugar on top and up here we serve our kaiser with apples also ending on there. isn t just a favorite to draw it s one of austria s most popular design so. and finally before we go we want to let you went on the winner of this week s draw we asked you to send us a photo of your best moment of two 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